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CITY OF CARLSBAD
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AGENDA BI1L NO. ^/«2/
Dept. Hd.
DATE: July 20, 1976
City Atty \)
DEPARTMENT: PLANNING -^
SUBJECT: (ZCA-79) ADDITIONAL FREESTANDING SIGNS IN THE C-2
ZONE AND COMMUNITY IDENTITY SIGNS
Statement of the Matter
By letter of January 26, 1976 from Mr. Robert C. Knauf representin-g
Car Country, the City Council was requested to review the provisions
for additional freestanding signs in the C-2 zone. The City Council
directed the staff to review the matter with the Planning Commission.
The Planning Commission conducted four hearings on the proposed staff
amendments to review appropriate alternatives. The final ordinance
draft reviewed by the Planning Commission consisted of a section pro-
viding monument signs in addition to the already permitted freestand-
ings sign, and a section permitting community identity signs in com-
munities approved by Specific Plan or Planned Unit Development. How-
ever, upon hearing the proposals, the Planning Commission made the
following recommendations:
a) Freestanding Signs - That the City Council deny addtional free-
standing signs in the C-2 zone.
b) Community Identification Signs - That the City Council amend the
existing Sign Ordinance to provide for Community Identity signs
approved as part of any consideration of Master Plan, Specific
Plan, Planned Unit Development, or "Q" Qualified Overlay Zone.
For additional information, see attached memorandum to the City
Manager dated July 1, 1976.
Ex hi bi ts :
Planning Commission Resolution No. 1261
Memorandum to City Manager dated July 1, 1976
Exhibit A, dated June 2, 1976 (ZCA-79)
Staff report of June 9, 1976
Staff Report of June 23, 1976
Recommendation:
If the City Council concurs with the Planning Commission, it is
recommended that staff be instructed to prepare the necessary docu-
ments to adopt ZCA-79 regarding Community Identity Signs as contained
in Exhibit "A" (June 2, 1976) and Planning Commission Resolution #1261
If the City Council wishes to pursue additional freestanding signs,
the Planning Commission recommends that staff be directed to compre-
hensively review the provisions for all freestanding signs in the
commercial zones. />*
Agenda Bill #3721 Page 2 July 20, 1976
Council action
7-20-76 By proper motion this matter was continued to the regular
meeting to be held August 17, 1976.
8-17-76 Following the public hearing the City Attorney was instructed
to prepare an Ordinance for introduction in concurrence with
Draft Ordinance, Exhibit "A", Items (a) through (f), with
the inclusion of 100 feet from property line limitation.
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PLANNING COMMISSION RESOLUTION NO. 1261
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, WITH
RESPECT TO AMENDING TITLE 21 OF THE CITY
CODE REGARDING SECTION 21.41.070 TO PER-
MIT ADDITIONAL FREESTANDING SIGNS IN THE
C-2 ZONE AND SECTION 21.41.075 TO PERMIT
COMMUNITY IDENTITY SIGNS FOR PROPERTY
DEVELOPED UNDER A MASTER PLAN, SPECIFIC
PLAN OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND
PREPARATION OF A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY
REVIEWING SIGN REGULATIONS FOR ALL FREE-
STANDING SIGNS.
CASE NO.: ZCA-79
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission of the City of Carlsbad
did adopt Resolution of Intention No. 125 declaring its inten-
tion to conduct a public hearing to consider Zone Code Amendments
to permit additional freestanding signs in the C-2 Zone and to
permit Community Identity Signs; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission did hold a duly noticed
Public Hearing on May 12, 1976, May 26, 1976, June 9, 1976
and June 23, 1976 to consider the subject amendments; and
WHEREAS, the Planning Commission received all testimony from
those persons interested in and opposed to, if any, the proposed
Zone Code Amendments; and 4
The Planning Commission recommends that Section 1 regarding
freestanding signs of the attached Exhibit "A" dated June 2, 1976
be deleted for the following reasons:
1) There is no demonstrable need for these additional
signs, and
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2) If a change is to be proposed, it must be in relation-
ship to the already permitted freestanding signs.
The Planning Commission recommends that Section 2 regarding
Community Identity Signs of the attached Exhibit "A" dated June 2,
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be approved as it i.s a
program in the Planned
ment projects.
The Planning Commi
direct staff to prepare
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necessary part of implementing a sign
Community Zone and Planned Unit Develop-
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ssion recommends that the City Council
a comprehensive study reviewing the
1 freestanding signs.
PASSED, APPROVED AND ADOPTED at .a regular meeting of the
Carlsbad City Planning
following vote, to wit:
Commission held on June 23, 1976, by the
AYES: Commissioners Nelson, Jose, Watson, Fikes, Larson,
and L'Heureux.
NOES: Commissi
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ABSTAIN: None
- ABSENT: Commissi
ATTEST:
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oners Watson and Fikes voted "no" on the
of Section- 1 of Exhibit "A", 6/2/76.
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S^^ll^XVMX^Stephen\ M. L ' Heureux , jChairman
/.Donald A. Agatep, Secretary
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MEMORANDUM
July 1 , 1976
TO: CITY MANAGER
FROM: PLANNING DIRECTOR
RE: ZCA-79, Freestanding signs in C-2 Zone and
Community Identity Signs
The Planning Commission studied alternatives to permit
additional freestanding signs in the C-2 Zone. A proposed
draft ordinance prepared by the Planning Department would
allow additional freestanding signs in the C-2 zone if
certain criteria are met, i.e. size of sign (monument),
distance between signs, approval of CUP, etc. (Note: Freestanding
signs are defined as any sign not attached to a building,
i.e. pole signs, monument signs, etc.)
In addition, the draft contains a section permitting Community
Identity Signs in communities approved by Master Plan,
Specific Plan or Planned Unit Development. This section
would permit entrance and directional signs within a community
upon the approval of the Planning Commission/City Council.
After considering these two proposals contained in ZCA-79,
the Planning Commission by a 4-2 vote recommended to the
City Council to deny the additional freestanding sign portion,
because they felt any changes in freestanding signs would
have an impact on all freestanding signs in all commercial
zones. Therefore, any amendment of this nature must consider
all freestanding signs in all commercial zones. The Planning
Commission did not do this comprehensive study because the
City Council only directed study of addtional signs as
requested in letter by Mr. Knauf (Car Country), therefore,
the legal notice was limited to such a change.
The Planning Commission did, however, recommend that the
Community Identity Section be approved because these signs
are needed and there are adequate provisions to insure
reasonable sign programs.
In summary, the Planning Commission approved ZCA-79 as it
pertains to Community Identity Signs only, and suggested the
City Council direct staff to study the possibility of a
comprehensive revision to all freestanding signs in all
commercial zones.
Donald A. Agatep
Planning Director
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MEMORANDUM
June 9, 1976
TO: PLANNING COMMISSION
FROM: PLANNING DEPARTMENT
CASE NO.: ZCA-79
Request: Zone Code Amendment to provide for additional free-
standing signs in the C-2 Zone and to provide for community
identity signs —City Council initiated.
RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that the Planning Commission
direct Staff to prepare necessary documents approving ZCA-79 as
contained in Exhibit A dated May 20, 1976*
REASONS:
1) The Ordinance Amendment is consistent with the General
Plan because the allowable signs are low profile and not
detrimental to surrounding property.
2) The Ordinance Amendment will not adversely affect the
environment because the low-profile signs will blend into
the surroundings.
3) The Ordinance Amendment is desirable since:
a) There appears to be a need for additional freestanding
signs for certain uses in certain circumstances.
b) It will give necessary flexibility for sign programs
while insuring appropriate City review.
BACKGROUND: On March 16, 1976, the City Council received a
request from the attorneys for "Car Country" to permit addi-
tional freestanding signs. The request was for a separate
sign for each auto franchise for every 100 feet of frontage
on any road whereas the present Ordinance permits only one
freestanding sign to a height of 35 feet. The City Council
directed Staff to study the request to determine whether or
not it could be accommodated consistent with the overall
intent of the City's Sign Ordinance and good planning practice,
and to submit the results to the Planning Commission for
hearings.
The Attorneys for "Car Country" asked in their letter of
January 26, 1976 that an Amendment to the Sign Ordinance be
made that:
"...would permit a freestanding (pole) sign or monument
sign for each franchise of a business per 100 feet of
frontage on any road".
The letter further qualified the suggested wording to mean
that the minimum distance between freestanding signs is to be
100 feet. The "Car Country: lots have frontages of 539',
634', 587', 69T, 475', 378', 31T, 481 ' and 1080'. (Generally,
the larger the frontage, the greater the number of franchises).
Therefore, these lots could have from 4 to 11 freestanding
signs each depending on the frontage, and at 100-foot intervals
would be very close together for traffic-oriented signs.
At a 100-foot distance the signs would look distracting and
defeat the purpose of easy reading. They would also take
away from the attractiveness of the area especially if they
were tall pole signs.
Not only is the number of s'tgns disproportionate but the term
"franchise" is unworkable. For example, "franchise" could be
"Delco Auto Parts" or "Firestone Tires", not to mention the
innumerable franchises certain other retailers carry. An
Ordinance that would permit only auto franchise advertising
and no other is unsupportable. Staff suggests that if addi-
tional freestanding signs are to be permitted that they not be
tied to a "franchise" but that they must be constructed and
placed within specified limitations. After all, when considering
zone codes it is not what a sign advertises (generally speaking),
but how it relates to the total development.
Mr. Knauf does suggest monument signs as an alternative to pole
signs, along with the 100 feet of frontage requirement between
signs. These two aspects (monument signs and distance between
signs) can be used to develop a workable sign regulation that
will give Car Country the flexibility to advertise franchises,
yet can protect visibility, adjacent properties and general
health and safety of the City.
In addition to Mr. Knauf's request for franchise signs and the
City Council's direction to draft such amendment, Staff is
proposing a new section that will permit community identity
signs. These signs will be in addition to signs permitted
for each building or lot. Community identity signs will be
placed at entrances to the communities; e.i.: La Costa,
Cabot, Cabot & Forbes, Car Country, etc., or direct traffic to
special areas of interest within a community, such as golf
course, park, spa, etc. This amendment is appropriate at this
time since the Specific Plan for Car Country provides for such
signs even though the Zone Ordinance does not give the autho-
rity. In short the amendment will bring the Zone Code in con-
formance with the Specific Plan and give guideance on the
types and sizesof signs.
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Based on this, Staff proposed that the Ordinance Amendment do
the following:
1) Permit monument signs in addition to the already permitted
freestanding sign;
2) Limit the size of monument signs and limit the number —
based on street frontage;
3) Require C.U.P. for approval provided certain findings are
made;
4) Provide a means for sign programs for an entire complex
(Community Identity Signs); i.e.: Car Country. This will
permit identity sign at the entrance and directions within
the complex. The program is to be approved by the Planning
Commission and City Council at hearings.
At the May 26th meeting, the Planning Commission suggested some
changes to Exhibit A for clarification. Staff made these changes
as included in Exhibit A, dated June 2, 1976.
The item was then continued to June 9, 1976 so the Staff could
provide information regarding the use of a Specific Plan for such
signs. Staff then reviewed this matter with the City Attorney
and it was agreed that specific plans cannot be used to over-
ride zoning requirements; therefore, signs over what the zoning
allows cannot be allowed by specific plan. If the Planning
Commission still does not wish to allow these monument signs in
all C-2 zones, but would like to provide for them in the Car
Country commercial area, the only other alternative would be to
create a new commercial zone for auto dealerships that would
provide for additional signs.
There are other options that the Commission may wish Staff to
pursue. If that is the desire, Staff would recommend that this
Zone Code Amendment be continued and Staff be given direction
on other approaches to provide for additional signs within the
zoning regulations.
The proposed Ordinance Amendment is attached as Exhibit : A, dated
May 20, 1976. For your added information Exhibit B is attached
which indicates graphically the location limitation of free-
standing signs as provided for in the Ordinance Amendment.
ATTACHMENTS:
Exhibit A, dtd. 6/2/76, ZCA-79
Exhibi t B — Graphic
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SUPPLEMENTAL
MEMORANDUM
June 23, 1976
TO: PLANNING COMMISSION
FROM: ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR
CASE NO.: ZCA-79 -MONUMENT SIGNS
Request: Continued hearing on a Zone Code Amendment to provide
for additional freestanding signs in the C-2 Zone and to provide
for community identity signs —City Council initiated.
The item was on the Planning Commission agendas of May 12, May 26,
and June 9, 1976, and was continued so a full Commission would hear
the item and Planning Commission questions would be answered.
At the last meeting the Commission requested more information.
The following is an attempt to answer the Planning Commission
concerns:
(1) HOW DOES THE ORDINANCE AFFECT FREESTANDING SIGN RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN A COMMON PROPERTY LINE?
The Ordinance as proposed requires a distance of fifteen
feet to an interior property line for additional freestanding
signs. Therefore, if the adjoining property had a pole sign
at the property line, the minimum distance between signs
would be fifteen feet; if it was a monument sign in compliance
with this Ordinance, the minimum distance would be thirty feet.
This distance is too close for most signs for good visibi-
lity and effectiveness, however —
(a) This is not a comprehensive sign ordinance amendment;
therefore, other permitted signs could be at the
property 1ine;
(b) Further required distances from monument sign to
interior property line would reduce the number of
permitted sians;
(c) The monument siqn program must be approved bv Conditional
Use Permit and there must be a findinq that the relation-
ship to adjoining property is proper.
This question was originally discussed at the Mav 26. 1976
meetina and the Planning Commission made changes to the Draft
Ordinance that apparently were satisfactory at that time.
These changes are the insertion of the word "same" on line
19 so distances would be calculated only on the property in
question, and the insertion of "relationship to adjoining
property" on line 27 to provide the ability for the Planning
Commission review of signs on an adjacent property.
(2) AS PART OF THE SAME QUESTION, IT WAS ASKED IF THERE IS ANY
WAY TO RESTRICT MONUMENT SIGNS TO A DISTANCE OF 200 FEET
BETWEEN SIGNS ON ADJOINING LOTS.
The way to do this is to require a minimum distance of
100 feet from a property line. However, this will reduce the
number of allowable monument sians on most orooerties and
prohibit monument siqns altogether on property with less than
200 feet of frontage. Furthermore, there is no regulation
in the present ordinance for location of the one permitted
pole sign. As stated in (1) above, the problem of sign
relationship of adjoining property can only be effectively
solved by amending the Ordinance regarding all freestanding
signs. If this is the wish of the Planning Commission, Staff
; suggests the following changes:
"(5) In C-l and C-2 Zones and at retail commercial
use in C-M Zone, one freestanding sign may be placed
on each street frontage of a lot, provided that the lot
has a minimum street frontage of 200 feet on the street
where the sign is situated, the sign is not 'Situated
within IQD feet of an interior property 'Tine, and the
si an" area of the freestandina sign is included within
the aggregate sign area allowed for the lot according
to the provisions of Table 1 above and that the
height of the freestanding sign does not exceed the
height of the building or thirty-five feet, which-
ever is less.
"In the C-2 Zone, additional freestandina signs are
permitted on each street frontage of a lot provided
the following conditions are met:
"(a) The additional freestanding signs are Monument
Signs —not greater than 8 feet in height and 8 feet in
length;
"(b) The signs shall not be erected within 200 feet
of another freestanding sign on the same property;
"(c) The signs shall be so oriented that the primary
view is from surface streets;
"(d) The aggregate sign area for the entire lot
does not exceed the sign area allowed for the lot
according to the provisions of Table 1;
"(e) No portion of such sign shall extend over the
public right-of-way, or be within 100 feet to any
interior property line^or 15 feet to any driveway
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interior property n
or intersection; and
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"(f) A Conditional Use Permit shall be approved
by the Planning Commission, or the City Council on
appeal, based on the finding that the Monument Signs
are appropriate for the use of the property, the
design of the development, and relationship to ad-
joining property. Signs approved by Specific Plan,
Master Plan or Planned Unit Development need not be
approved by a Conditional Use Permit."
(3) HOW CAN NEW CAR DEALERSHIPS BE GRANTED A FREESTANDING SIGN
FOR EACH AUTO FRANCHISE?
Staff reviewed this question with the City Attorney. The
conclusion is that there is the possllitity of a legal problem
with permitting sign display to such franchises —instead of
basing such approval on development standards. There
has to be some rationale to a requirement and there does not
appear to be a rational reason for franchise signs being
granted to auto dealers and not to dealers in other types
of franchises.
Staff does not recommend any change that would permit signs
to franchises. However, if the Planning Commission wishes
to consider this method, Staff suggests that all conditions
as listed in the Draft Ordinance be included in any fran-
chise sign Ordinance.
There may be other alternatives to this Ordinance Amendment. If
the Planning Commission has suggestions, please be prepared to
submit such at the hearing or review with Staff prior to the
hearing.
One alternative not previously discussed is to recommend that the
Ordinance Amendment not be adopted at this time, but be considered
when the sign regulations are comprehensively reviewed. This
would be a policy decision and Staff is not making a recommendation
on this possibility, but we do wish to point out that Section 2
of Exhibit 'A1 dealing with Community Identity Signs is a neces-
sary part of implementing a sign program in the Planned Community
Zone and Planned Unit Development projects. Therefore, regardless
of what the Planning Commission recommendation is on additional
freestanding signs, Staff recommends that Section 2 be approved.
Ralph (Bud) Plender
ASSISTANT PLANNING DIRECTOR
ATTACHMENTS:
Staff Rpt., 6/9/76
Exhibit A, dtd. 6/2/76
Exhibit B, Graphic
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"s AGENDA ITEM 3721
Dist, 7-19-76
Council, Clerk.Atty.
RAYMOND F. FEIST
NORMAN L. VETTER
ROBERT C. KNAUF
JOHN I. LOY
SUZANNE W. KNAUF
GIBSON E. PRATT
RAYMOND F. FEIST, JR.
CHARLES LEE CURRIER
LAW OFFICES
FEIST, VETTER., KNAUF AND LOY
SIO MISSION AV ENUE, SUITE 3OO
POST OFFICE BOX 24O
OCEANS1DE, CALIFORNIA 92054
AREA CODE 714
TELEPHONE 72E-I9I4
July 16, 1976
Mr. Paul D. Bussey
City Manager
1200 Elm Street
Carlsbad, California
Dear Mr. Bussey:
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As you know our office represents the Tri-City Auto
Dealers Association. In this connection we note that a
change in the existing ordinance affecting "Car Country" is
scheduled as an agenda item for the Council meeting of
July 20, 1976.
We desire to make an appearance and speak to the matter
on behalf of our clients and at a time when it appears that
Mr. Knauf will be able to attend. As matters stand now, his
doctors will authorize his participation a month from the
July 20, 1976, meeting with a possibility of clearance for the
August 3, 1976, meeting.
We therefore respectfully request that the matter titled
"Additional Freestanding Signs in the C-2 Zone and Community
Identity Signs" be continued to August 17, 1976, with a
second choice of August 3, 1976.
In addition, it would appear that an easing of the work
load for the July 20, 1976, meeting would be beneficial to
the Council as well as the undersigned.
Thank you for your consideration.
Very truly yours,
' 1*EIST, VETTER, KNAUF AND LOY