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DRAFT HOUSING ELEMENT
FOR THE 2005-2010 HOUSING CYCLE
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RECOMMENDED ACTION:
That the City Council ADOPT Resolution No. 2007-146 SUPPORTING submission of the draft
Housing Element for the 2005-2010 Housing Cycle to the State of California Housing and Community
Development Department for initial review and comment.
ITEM EXPLANATION:
The City is updating its General Plan Housing Element to address housing needs for the 2005-2010
Housing Cycle. The updated element will require a lengthy review process at both the city and state
levels and ultimate certification by the state Department of Housing and Community Development
(HCD). An anticipated, "best case," timeline is attached.
While not required by state law, jurisdictions typically seek a review body's support to submit the draft of
the updated Housing Element to HCD. Staff sought this support from the Housing Commission on April
26, 2007. The Housing Commission, by minute motion, voted 2-1 (Chairman Scarpelli voting "no;"
Commissioner Ritchie absent) on the recommendation to support filing the draft with HCD. Since the
affirmative vote of three commission members is necessary for any action by the Commission, the
Commission took no action on the recommendation. The relevant staff report, draft meeting minutes,
and public correspondence received on the draft Housing Element and distributed to the Housing
Commission are attached.
Housing Commission Chairman Scarpelli opposed submission to HCD based on draft Housing Element
programs to designate portions of the former South Coast Materials Quarry ("Quarry Creek") for several
hundred units of lower and moderate income housing. The proposed designations to enable these units
are part of the City's efforts to meet its share of the Regional Housing Needs Assessment (RHNA). As a
policy document, the updated Housing Element, if adopted, would not result in any land use changes.
Instead, any such changes would be subject to separate and extensive public hearings in the future.
The draft Housing Element needs to be submitted to HCD as soon as possible. San Diego County
jurisdictions are nearly two years into the housing cycle, and Carlsbad still faces the time-consuming
review process. Further, until it adopts a Housing Element, the City remains ineligible to receive certain
funding. Moreover, as the Housing Commission currently has two vacancies, review by a full
Commission in a timely manner is unlikely. For these reasons, staff recommends the City Council
support submission of the draft Housing Element to HCD.
FISCAL IMPACT:
The City had a contract with the planning firm EDAW to prepare the Housing Element. This contract
expired last month. Staff is in the process of negotiating a new contract, under sole source
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DENIED D
CONTINUED D
WITHDRAWN D
AMENDED D
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procurement, directly with Veronica Tarn and Associates LLC, the EDAW subconsultant that has
conducted the majority of the work on the Housing Element. Expenditures incurred on the expired
contract totaled approximately $92,000. Staff anticipates the new contract with Veronica Tam and
Associates LLC will not exceed this amount. Besides consultant costs, there is a fiscal impact
associated with staff time and resources and associated pubic noticing and hearings necessary to
accomplish the review and processing of the updated Housing Element.
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT:
The submittal of a draft Housing Element to HCD for initial review and comment does not constitute a
project and is not subject to the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). The actual General Plan
Amendment for the Housing Element update will undergo the appropriate level of environmental review
pursuant to CEQA concurrent with processing.
EXHIBITS:
1. City Council Resolution No. 2007-146
2. Timeline for adoption of the Housing Element
3. Housing Commission Staff Report dated April 26, 2007
4. Draft Housing Commission minutes dates April 26, 2007
5. Public correspondence received on draft Housing Element and distributed to Housing
Commission
6. Draft Housing Element (on file in the Office of the City Clerk).
1 RESOLUTION NO. 2007-146
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3 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
CARLSBAD, CALIFORNIA, SUPPPORTING THE SUBMISSION
4 OF THE DRAFT HOUSING ELEMENT FOR 2005-2010
HOUSING CYCLE TO THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA HOUSING
5 AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR
INITIAL REVIEW AND COMMENT
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1 WHEREAS, the City has drafted an updated Housing Element for the 2005-2010
8 Housing Cycle; and
9 WHEREAS, the City has determined it will seek certification from the state
Department of Housing and Community Development Department (HCD) of its updated
Housing Element; and
12 WHEREAS, submittal to HCD marks the beginning of a long, comprehensive
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review process at both the state and city levels that will involve extensive public comment,
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hearing, and review; and
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WHEREAS, considering the lengthy review process ahead, the City desires to
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submit in a timely fashion the draft Housing Element to HCD for initial review and comment.
t _ NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED by the City Council of the Citylo
jo of Carlsbad, California, as follows:
20 1 • That the above recitations are true and correct.
21 2. That the City Council of the City of Carlsbad supports the submittal of the draft
Housing Element for the 2005-2010 Housing Cycle to the state Department of Housing and
22 Community Development.
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PASSED, APPROVED AND ADOPTED at a Regular Meeting of the City Council
of the City of Carlsbad on the 17th day of July, 2007, by the following vote to wit:
AYES: Council Members Lewis, Kulchin, Hall, Packard and Nygaard.
NOES: None.
ABSENT: None.
A LEWfS, MJyor
ATTEST:
Housing Element Update
2005-2010 Housing Cycle
"Best-Case" Review Schedule
EXHIBIT 2
Item
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Event
City staff submits draft Housing Element to
HCD for initial review (following City
Council action)
HCD conducts initial review (60 days)
Staff revises draft Housing Element in
response to HCD comments (60 days) and
resubmits draft for second round of review
Second round of HCD review (60 days)
Staff revises draft Housing Element in
response to second set of HCD comments
and prepares CEQA document (45 days)
Public review of CEQA document (30 days)
Respond to public comments on CEQA
document and staff report preparation
Housing Commission public hearing to
recommend on adoption of Housing
Element
Planning Commission public hearing to
recommend on adoption of Housing
Element
City Council public hearing to adopt
Housing Element
Submit adopted element to HCD for 90 day
(minimum) review and certification
Timeframe
June
July - August
September - October
November - December
January - February 2008
February - March
March - April
May
June
July
(after Council adoption)
EXHIBIT 3
City of Car*ImM>a,d Ifoixeiing «& .Rede vetlop-
A REPORT* TO T
Staff: Scott X>oxm.ell
Associate Plcumexr
Item No. 1
DATE: APRIL 26, 2007
SUBJECT: 2005-2010 DRAFT HOUSING ELEMENT
I. RECOMMENDATION
That the Housing Commission: (1) Provide formal comments on the Draft Housing Element
for the 2005-2010 Housing Cycle; and by minute motion, (2) Support submission of the
draft element to the State of California Housing and Community Development Department
for initial review and comment.
II. PROJECT BACKGROUND
The City of Carlsbad is updating its General Plan Housing Element. The General Plan is
Carlsbad's long range planning document, and one of its components is the Housing
Element. The Housing Element addresses a variety of housing topics, including need,
availability, and affordability for a specific period, or housing cycle. The last housing cycle
ended June 30, 2005. The current housing cycle began July 1, 2005, and will end June 30,
2010.
Since state law requires an updated Housing Element for each housing cycle, the City is well
into work on the update for the current cycle. The updated element will require a lengthy
review process at both the city and state levels and ultimate certification by the state
Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD).
To begin the required review, staff has requested the Housing Commission's support to
submit the draft Housing Element to HCD for its initial evaluation and comment.
Historically, Carlsbad has sought the support of the Housing Commission before submitting
the draft. While not required by state law, cities typically seek the approval of a review body
prior to submitting a draft to HCD.
In addition to seeking the Commission's support, staff is also requesting the Commission
provide any formal comments it has on the draft element. To assist in this regard, this report
provides an overview of the draft element. Recognizing the Commission may want more
comment opportunities and thorough responses from staff, it is important to note that both
the public and Housing Commission will have additional occasions to provide input into
adoption of the City's Housing Element. For example, once the City receives preliminary
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comments from HCD on the draft, staff will revise the document accordingly. As part of its
revisions, staff will consider any Commission or public comments received to date. The
revised document will then be presented to the Housing Commission, Planning Commission,
and City Council as a public hearing item for review and approval. Finally, the approved
Housing Element will be submitted to HCD again for certification.
To publicize this meeting, staff has posted flyers (one is attached) at city facilities
throughout Carlsbad and published a flyer in the newspaper. Additionally, staff sent flyers
to government agencies, housing advocates, developers, lenders, realtors, and Carlsbad
homeowner associations, large farmers, and major employers. Commissioners may also
recall that the Housing Commission held three public workshops on the Housing Element
from October 2004 to May 2005. Delays in processing the updated element over the past
two years have resulted from staff changes, issues associated with self-certification versus
HCD-certification of the element, and extensive work to determine available residential land
and programs to meet growth projections.
The remainder of this report primarily discusses the following three topics. None of the
topics are discussed in great detail; the reader is referred to the draft Housing Element for
more information.
• Housing Element purpose and need and contents
• Self-certification
• Policies and programs, with a focus on the City's efforts to accommodate Carlsbad's
share of the Regional Housing Needs Assessment, which is an estimate of the
number of housing units needed to accommodate projected growth through 2010.
As a reminder, since the proposed Housing Element is only in draft form, staff anticipates its
contents, including data, policies, and programs, will change based on the extensive review
yet to occur.
III. PROJECT DESCRIPTION
Housing Element Purpose and Contents
The Housing Element of the General Plan is designed to provide the City with a coordinated
and comprehensive strategy for promoting the production of safe, decent, and affordable
housing within the community. A priority of both State and local governments, Government
Code Section 65580 states the intent of creating housing elements:
The availability of housing is of vital statewide importance, and the early attainment of
decent housing and a suitable living environment for every Californian family is apriority
of the highest order.
Per State law, the Housing Element has two main purposes:
(1) To provide an assessment of both current and future housing needs and constraints
in meeting these needs; and
(2) To provide a strategy that establishes housing goals, policies, and programs.
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As a five-year plan covering the 2005-2010 period, the Housing Element differs from the
City's other General Plan elements, which cover a much longer period. The Housing Element
serves as an integrated part of the General Plan, but is updated more frequently to ensure its
relevancy and accuracy. The Housing Element identifies strategies and programs that focus
on:
(1) Conserving and improving existing affordable housing;
(2) Maximizing housing opportunities throughout the community;
(3) Assisting in the provision of affordable housing;
(4) Removing governmental and other constraints to housing investment; and
(5) Promoting fair and equal housing opportunities.
The Housing Element has the following major components:
• An introduction to review the requirements of the Housing Element, public
participation process, and data sources (Section 1 of the Housing Element);
• A profile and analysis of the City's demographics, housing characteristics, and existing
and future housing needs (Section 2);
• A review of resources available to facilitate and encourage the production and
maintenance of housing, including land available for new construction, as well as
financial and administrative resources available for housing (Section 3);
• An analysis of constraints on housing production and maintenance, including market,
governmental, and environmental limitations to meeting the City's identified needs
(Section 4);
• An evaluation of accomplishments under the 1999-2005 Housing Element (Section 5);
and
• A statement of the Housing Plan to address the City's identified housing needs,
including an assessment of past accomplishments, and a formulation of housing goals,
policies, and programs (Section 6)
The Housing Element also contains appendices. Among other things, these appendices provide a
detailed analysis of the 1999-2005 Housing Element programs and an inventory of land in Carlsbad
available to accommodate future growth. The inventory is not included in the draft Housing
Element provided to the Housing Commission but will be provided in the draft submitted to HCD.
However, many of the tables contained in Section 3 and repeated below result from this inventory.
Self-certification
Pursuant to a special legislation (Government Code 65585.1), jurisdictions in the San Diego region
are eligible to self-certify their Housing Elements and avoid the lengthy HCD-certification process.
For a jurisdiction to self-certify, it must meet specified affordable housing goals. Additionally, a
self-certified element must substantially comply with state law.
Carlsbad is entitled to self-certify its 2005-2010 Housing Element and initially planned to do so.
However, after further consideration, the City chose instead to pursue HCD certification. One
reason for this decision is that certification by HCD provides Carlsbad with a rebutable
presumption that the Housing Element is legally valid, which shifts the burden of proof to show the
element is inadequate to the challenger. Another reason is that self-certified elements cause a
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jurisdiction to be ineligible for certain funds and grants distributed by SANDAG and HCD. In
September 2006, the City Council directed staff to pursue HCD-certification. More details about
self-certification may be found in Appendix A of the draft element.
Policies and Programs
Before devising a new five-year housing plan for the 2005-2010 Housing Element, staff
reviewed the housing goals, policies, and programs contained in the 1999 Housing Element for
effectiveness and continued appropriateness. Based on this review, most programs remain
relevant and effective. A complete analysis of the 1999 Housing Element and proposed
provisions is contained in sections 5 and 6 and appendix B of the 2005-2010 Housing Element.
Unlike previous housing cycles, however, staff has proposed a number of new programs to
ensure Carlsbad has adequate vacant sites at appropriate densities and development
standards to accommodate its share of the Regional Housing Needs Assessment (RHNA).
Carlsbad's share of the regional housing need for the current cycle is allocated by SANDAG
to each of the four income groups listed below and is based on factors such as recent growth
trends, income distribution, and capacity for future growth. After taking into account units
already constructed, under construction, and approved, the City's remaining RHNA to
satisfy through 2010 is as follows:
• Very Low Income: 1,719 units \
• Low Income: 636 units / 2'355 "lower"income units
• Moderate Income: 1,211 units
• Above Moderate Income: 0 units
As the above list indicates, Carlsbad has to demonstrate it has adequate vacant sites to
accommodate all but units for the above moderate income category. Generally, HCD
considers land designated by a city's General Plan for high density, multi-family residential
uses to be appropriate for very low and low income households (collectively "lower income"
households), land designated for medium or medium-high density uses to be suitable for
moderate income households, and land designated for low density, single family uses to be
appropriate for above moderate income households. Further, it should be noted that HCD
considers a minimum density of 20 dwelling units/acre (du/ac) to be adequate for lower
income uses and a minimum density of 12 du/ac to be adequate for moderate income uses.
In Carlsbad, high density lands have a General Plan designation of "RH" and allow 15 to 23
du/ac, with a Growth Management Control Point of 19 du/ac. Medium-high density lands
have a designation of "RMH," and allow 8 to 15 du/ac, with a Growth Management Control
Point of 11.5 du/ac. The Growth Management Control Point is typically the density below or at
which development has historically occurred. At the RH and RMH Growth Management
Control Points, Carlsbad can accommodate about 950 high density units for lower income
families and almost 300 medium-high density units for moderate income families. These
figures are based on potentially achievable unit yields from vacant properties and
underutilized properties (properties with low improvement to land values, such as an older
single-family home on a large lot designated for high density uses). The City has also
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counted toward its high density yield the estimated number (80) of second dwelling units to
be built through 2010. Further, neither the RH nor RMH figures count any properties in the
Village Redevelopment Area since these properties do not have any density assigned by
right. However, unit yield from Village properties are considered under proposed Housing
Element programs, as explained below.
Based on the preceding paragraph, current programs, policies, and land use designations,
which yield about 1,250 units, do not accommodate all of Carlsbad's remaining RHNA for
very low, low, and moderate income households, which total over 3,500 units. To make up
the shortfall, the City has proposed, among other things, to increase minimum densities,
permit mixed use residential/commercial at shopping centers, and redesignate portions of
non-residential properties to residential. Additionally, the City is also counting certain land
use designation changes by private developers to help meet its RHNA. The following text
and tables, the latter taken from Section 3 of the draft Housing Element, summarize the
City's efforts to provide adequate sites for lower and moderate income households.
Table 1 below focuses on existing and proposed high density residential sites.
Table 1
Existing and Proposed High Density Residential (RH) Sites
Property APN Acres Density Number of
Units1
Vacant Residential Sites currently designated RH
Robertson Ranch
Unentitled Land
Subtotal
Portions of 168-050-47, 208-010-36
Various
22
19.5
20-22.3 du/ac2
20 du/ac3
4652
290
755
Vacant Residential Sites proposed to be designated RH
Canyon View4
Subtotal
Portions of 215-020-07, 215-050-21,
22,215-050-44-47 17.7 20 du/ac 377
377
Vacant Non-Residential Sites proposed to be designated RH
MAG4
Ponto
Quarry Creek
Subtotal
Other
Underutilized RH Sites
Total
223-060-31
216-140-17
Portions of 167-040-21
Various
6.0
6.4
17.5
7.4
19 du/ac
20 du/ac3
20 du/ac3
20 du/ac3
120
128
350
748
104
1,984
Notes:
1 Number of units does not always reflect acreage multiplied by density because of rounding and other factors.
2 General Plan Amendment (GPA) and Master Plan approved to allow the densities and number of units shown.
3 City commits to process a GPA to increase minimum density to 20 du/ac on these sites (New Program).
4 Developer-initiated proposals.
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Table 2 identifies properties that would permit "mixed use" developments, or developments
that combine residential and commercial uses on the same or adjacent properties.
Residences in mixed use projects would be developed at the minimum densities shown.
Table 2
Existing and Proposed RH Mixed Use Sites
Property APN Acres Density Number of
Units'
Proposed Vacant Mixed Use Sites
Commercial Mixed Use MAG2
Commercial Mixed Use Ponto
Portion of 223-060-32
Portion of 216-140-18
1 .0 (approx)
2.8
(approx)
N/A
20 du/ac
14
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Proposed Shopping Center Mixed Use Sites
Various Existing Centers Various Various 20 du/ac 377
Existing Village Mixed Use Sites (underutilized and vacant)
Village Redevelopment Area
Total
Various 77.6 23 du/ac3 650
1,069
Notes:
1 Number of units does not always reflect acreage multiplied by density because of rounding, planned mixed use developments, and other factors.
2 Developer-initiated proposal.
3 The City commits to processing a GPA and other appropriate documents to increase the minimum density to 23 du/ac on these sites (New
Program). Only 50% of the potential yield for Village sites is considered. Only 1.7 acres of the total acres shown are vacant.
Also proposed are changes to existing and planned medium-high density residential sites.
TableS
Existing and Proposed Medium High Density Residential (RMH) Sites
Property APN Acres Density Number of
Units1
Vacant Residential Sites currently designated RMH
Robertson Ranch
Vacant Unentitled RMH
Land
Subtotal
Portions of 168-050-47,208-010-36
Various
7
9.8
12.4 du/ac2
12 du/ac3
87
118
205
Vacant Residential Sites not currently designated RMH
Canyon View4 Portions of 215-020-07, 215-050-21, 22,
215-050-44-47 2.6 11. 5 du/ac 30
Vacant Non-Residential Sites proposed to be designated RMH
Quarry Creek Portions of 167-040-21 21 12 du/ac5 250
Other
Underutilized RMH Land
Total
Various 10 123 du/ac 89
574
Notes:
' Number of units does not always reflect acreage multiplied by density because of rounding and other factors.
2 GPA and Master Plan approved to allow the densities and number of units shown.
3 City commits to process a GPA to increase minimum density to 12 du/ac on these sites (new program).
4 Developer-initiated proposal.
5 City commits to process a GPA to re-designate a portion of site to RMH with a minimum density of 12 du/ac (new program).
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Based on the land use changes proposed in the above tables, the City is able to meet its
remaining RHNA, as Table 4 shows. As units allocated to the lower income category may
also help fulfill the unit need of the moderate income category, the City has a surplus of
about 140 units.
Table 4
Adequacy of Sites in Meeting Remaining RHNA
Sites
Residential Sites
Mixed Use Sites
Second Units
Total
RHNA Remaining
Difference
Lower Income
1,984
1,069
80
3,133
2,355
+778
Moderate
Income
574
0
0
574
1,211
-637
Above
Moderate
Income
1,968
0
0
1,968
...
+1,968
Total
4,526
1,069
80
5,675
3,566
+2,109
IV. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
The submittal of a draft Housing Element to HCD for initial review and comment does not
constitute a project and is not subject to the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA).
The actual General Plan Amendment for the Housing Element update will undergo the
appropriate level of environmental review pursuant to CEQA concurrent with processing.
V. EXHIBITS
1. Draft City of Carlsbad Housing Element 2005-2010
2. Flyer to notice the meeting
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City of Carlsbad
You are invited to attend a
Housing Commission meeting on
Carlsbad's draft Housing Element
WHEN: Thursday, April 26, 2007, at 6:00 P.M.
WHERE:
WHAT;
Carlsbad Council Chambers
Carlsbad City Hall
1200 Carlsbad Village Drive
The City of Carlsbad is updating its General Plan
Housing Element. The General Plan is the City's long
range planning document The update evaluates the
effectiveness of the current Housing Element,
identifies Carlsbad's current and future housing
needs, and presents goals, policies, and programs to
meet those needs through 2010.
The Housing Commission will consider two actions:
1. Support city staff's plans to submit the draft Housing Element to
the state Department of Housing and Community Development for
initial review and feedback.
2. Provide any comments on the draft to city staff.
No action to approve the draft Housing Element will occur at this
meeting. However, public comments on the Element are welcome.
Future public hearings will provide more comment opportunities.
If you have any further questions regarding the meeting, please contact Scott Donnell,
Associate Planner, at (760) 602-4618 or sdonn@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.
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EXHIBIT 4
Minutes of: HOUSING COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 6:00 P.M.
Date of Meeting: April 26, 2007
Place of Meeting: CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Scarpelli called the Meeting to order at 6:02 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Chairperson Scarpelli led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
Present: Commissioners: Sondra Boddy
Edward Scarpelli
Bobbie Smith
Absent: Doris Ritchie
Staff Present: Housing and Redevelopment Director: Debbie Fountain
Senior Planner: Scott Donnell
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of March 8, 2007, were approved as written.
VOTE: 3-0
AYES: Boddy, Scarpelli, and Smith
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Ritchie
NEW BUSINESS
Debbie Fountain, Director of Housing and Redevelopment, said we have a presentation of the Draft Housing
Element, which will be presented by Scott Donnell, Senior Planner. We also have Veronica Tarn, the consultant on
this project, who will be making the presentation and answering questions tonight.
Scott Donnell said the purpose of tonight's meeting is for two primary reasons. The first is to seek the Commission's
approval or agreement that the Draft Housing Element as it is prepared and presented to you tonight is acceptable to
submit to the State Department of Housing and Community Development. The second purpose for the meeting
tonight is to receive any comments you have or any comments the members of the public have on the Draft Housing
Element. Tonight's meeting is not to make any kind of recommendation or approve any aspect of the Housing
Element or any program or land use changes that might be part of the Draft Housing Element. It is simply to discuss
the Housing Element, receive any comments and seek your approval to submit to the State Department of Housing
and Community Development or HCD. That is because the Element before you is simply a draft. It is staffs effort
to date to provide ways which we feel are necessary to meet our obligations under state law during the current
housing cycle. If we do receive your agreement that it is acceptable to submit, we will then submit it to the State
Department of Housing and Community Development to have their review. We anticipate, after their sixty day
review period, they will have a number of comments probably which will require us to do at the very least some
changes to the Housing Element, including some disagreements they may have with us over some of our proposed
programs.
With that said, we anticipate the draft will probably change, and because of those changes and the need for those
changes to be seen by you, members of the public and other committees and commissions here, this Housing Element
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will go through another set of review sometime in late summer or fall. The Housing Element will come back to you
for a recommendation of approval at a public hearing. Those public hearings will also take place before the Planning
Commission and finally the City Council. After the City Council hearing, the Housing Element will one more time
go back to HCD for final review and certification by them. There are plenty of opportunities besides tonight's
meeting for the public to comment and for you to comment. We realize you may not have had adequate time to
review the Housing Element as it is a substantial document. This is just to get your blessing to submit to HCD.
With regards to meeting notification and review of the Housing Element, we have developed a mailing list and a
notice of this meeting was sent to many businesses and individuals and organizations about tonight's hearing letting
them know of our desire to have you accept the draft for submittal to HCD. We also have provided the Housing
Element for review at the city's libraries and the Faraday Building. I also have the Housing Element available in
draft in electronic form for anybody who wishes to send an e-mail. It is also posted on the City's website. I should
also mention as well, there is a notebook in the back with a mailing list if anybody who desires to keep tabs on the
Housing Element as it goes through the process. They simply need to provide their name and address on the mailing
list in the foyer here.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented that the Commission just received some e-mails indicating the Housing Element
was not available in detail on the city's website. Are you sure it is there?
Mr. Donnell answered that as of 4 p.m. today, it is on the city's website. He would be happy to e-mail it to anyone as
well. Just simply put your name and address if you are interested in receiving it, on the notebook in the back. I have
also left my business card should anybody wish to contact me or e-mail me with regards to questions. I would like to
give the presentation to Veronica Tarn, our consultant.
Ms. Tarn said they recognize it has been a little over a year with the Housing Element process so we will have a little
refreshment of what the Housing Element is and what we have accomplished so far. The Housing Element is an
integral component of the General Plan. It requires the city to look at their current and future housing needs, not
only what the city has right now, but what the city will anticipate in the future, and then identify constraints and
opportunities for meeting those needs. Once you have identified the constraints and opportunities, develop a
comprehensive strategy to provide for the housing; particularly focusing on low and moderate income households
based on state law. The comprehensive strategy would also establish goals, policies and programs and specific
objectives over the planning period of the Housing Element the city must work to achieve.
Since the start of the process, we have conducted four workshops to talk about needs, constraints and opportunities.
There were three community workshops and the Housing Commission Workshop that were conducted over the
process. We identified needs, we talked about constraints and we also talked about opportunities. Once we have
identified all of those issues, there are certain things that require some policy changes in order to address those
issues. That will be something we are going to touch on tonight; what those policies are and what the changes are
that are required in order to meet the needs of the community and also to meet the law of the State of California. We
have developed a recommendation in the Housing Element, and we are summarizing for you today.
Another process we have to decide on is how we are going to process the Housing Element. The San Diego region is
an unusual region in a sense that it is the only region in the entire State of California that is allowed to self certify the
Housing Element based on specific criteria. Normally the Housing Element needs to go to the State Housing and
Community Development Department for certification review and certification. But while the City of Carlsbad is
eligible to self-certify the Housing Element, the City has elected to take it to the state because the state review is
much more stringent and once you get a certification from the state, you get a much higher level of legal protection
because the state's determination would give you the presumption that you comply with the state. Whereas if you
self-certify the Housing Element, you don't necessarily have that kind of protection under the law. The city has
elected to go through the State Department of Housing and Community Development and we have since then
developed the Housing Element with the intent of meeting every aspect of state law.
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When the Housing Element has to go to the state for review, a very critical component of that review is something
called the Regional Housing Needs Allocation. It is something the city must plan to accommodate. The Regional
Housing Needs Allocation for the City of Carlsbad is about 8,376 units and is divided into four income categories.
Remember this is housing not only for you, but for your future households and your share of the region's growth.
All of that together comes to 8,376 units and divided into four income categories with about 40% of that being lower
income and another 19% being moderate income. The city's obligation for that is not necessarily to build the units,
but you must find residential land with adequate density and development standards that facilitates or encourages the
development of such units. Your legal obligation is to identify residential sites. Mr. Scott Donnell will discuss with
you what the city has already done so far as achieving your RHNA and with what is remaining, how the city is
planning on accommodating that from a land use perspective.
Mr. Donnell said the RHNA figures seen here were actually developed for a 7 Vi year period beginning January 1,
2003, and running through June 30, 2010. The RHNA is an estimate developed by San Diego Association of
Governments with State HCD and it is a growth projection; here is the number of units we need to accommodate in
that 7 '/2 year time period. Even though it is a 7 Vi year time period, it gets transferred into a 5 year housing cycle.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented to Mr. Donnell this was referring through December 31, 2006. Are we still on the
same page?
Mr. Donnell yes, we are still on the same page.
Ms. Tarn said this is units that have been built so far.
Mr. Donnell said the reason the chart shows construction over the past four years is because we can take that RHNA
number that was developed for a 7 'A year period and subtract the construction or the units that have been approved
from that overall RHNA number. That is what this table shows. We have broken down our construction that has
been completed, homes that are under construction or approved by income category; in that four year period, for
example, you can see in the above moderate income category and these tend to be homes in a low density type
setting; we have built about 5,500 units in 4 years. In the very low income category, we have completed 203 units in
4 years. If you combine the construction, either completed or approved in the very low and low income categories,
you can see we have reached over 1,000 units. That is quite an accomplishment for a city to do. That is largely
because of our inclusionary housing program. When you take a look at all of the units that are constructed, under
construction, or approved and add those units up, you can see how they compare with our overall RHNA number.
For that 7 Vi year period, we had a RHNA of about 8,300 units. When we subtract the units, as this table shows, we
are left with a RHNA about 3,500 units. That means from the period of January 1, 2007, through June 30, 2010, we
need to show that we have sites that are able to accommodate those 3,500 units. As you can see in the very low and
low income categories combined together and they are often referred to as the lower income category, we have about
2,300 units. In other words, we need to make sure we have land and standards that can accommodate those units.
One thing we did to make sure we could accommodate those units was do an extensive inventory of all of the vacant
land in the city. That was land that was completely vacant, that did not have development proposals on it this time,
and also land that was considered to be under utilized. Land that is under utilized is a property such as a large Vz
acre piece in a general plan designation that allows for high density residential but maybe only has one older single
family home on it. If we look at both vacant land and under utilized land, based on the current city general plan land
use designations, we found we were still not able to meet our RHNA. There was still a need for several hundred
units that we had to provide lands for. That is because Carlsbad is nearing build out, and that is probably obvious to
anyone who drives around the city today. Generally the vacant land that is left in Carlsbad now has either been
approved for development, although that development has not taken place yet, has been set aside for open space as
another factor why some land that you might see vacant is actually not available for development. A case in point
would be Robertson Ranch. Actually Robertson Ranch is the last large master planned community in Carlsbad to be
approved, and that just started construction within the past couple of weeks. If we look at those factors, we've
examined our vacant land or under utilized land, we know that Carlsbad is reaching build out, we realize there might
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be changes for the first time that we need to propose in this current housing cycle unlike other previous housing
cycles where we actually might have to redesignate lands to accommodate the remaining RHNA that we need. Some
other information about that, state HCD believes that a minimum density of 30 units per acre is the minimum density
necessary to accommodate units in the very low and low income categories. We, however, believe that we do not
need to provide that high of a density. In fact, over the years we have demonstrated that it is easy for Carlsbad to
ensure high density affordable housing to very low and low income families can be achieved at around 20 dwelling
units per acre. We have two land use designations in our general plan that would likely be the ones to provide
housing for both lower income families and also moderate income families. We have an RH designation known as
residential high density, which allows 15 to 23 dwelling units per acre. As you can see, that is quite a bit below what
the state considers to be the minimum. We also have an RMH designation, which stands for residential medium high
density that allows for 8 to 15 dwelling units per acre. That is even further below, and in addition to that, it is below
what the state considers to be an adequate density for moderate income housing, which they believe to be at least 12
dwelling units per acre. Based on our current general plan designations, the vacant lands inventory that has been
completed for this Housing Element, and the fact the city is nearing build out, it became clear that some changes
were necessary to meet our RHNA.
There are various changes we are proposing through this draft Housing Element to different properties in the city.
The first listing of four properties, Canyon View, MAG, Ponto and Quarry Creek, are areas in the city in which we
are proposing to redesignate at least portions of these properties to a residential high designation in Carlsbad. The
first two properties, Canyon View and MAG, are actually developer initiated proposals. These are applications we
have received from private developers, which are proposing land use changes from a low density residential to a high
density residential. Based on the plans submitted by those developers with Canyon View, we can realize a yield of
about 377 units and for the MAG project 120 units, and so on. The last two projects listed under that first category,
Ponto and Quarry Creek, the city is actually taking the initiative to redesignate these properties to a higher density
zoning and which would allow the yields listed. The Quarry Creek property, for example, currently has a low
density designation. We are proposing to redesignate a portion of that Quarry Creek site to allow up to 350 high
density units.
In addition to these projects, there are proposed redesignations to RH or high density residential mixed use. These
are properties that would feature mixed use development, being a combination of commercial and residential. The
first project, MAG, is once again a developer initiated proposal, which features 14 units that have been set aside for
lower income families and a proposed shopping center in the La Costa area. The Ponto project is a city initiated
application as are the remaining two proposals. The shopping center mixed-use proposal we have estimated would
yield 377 units. That is a proposal the city has put in its draft Housing Element to allow residential at the city's
shopping center's site. For example, under the proposed program, a redevelopment of Plaza Camino Real would be
possible. The city would establish appropriate changes to its zoning ordinance to allow high density residential to
occur at our shopping centers. The proposed program that we put in the draft Housing Element would not make that
residential development mandate; however, it would allow it as a permitted use. In addition, in the village
redevelopment area, because there is such a strong potential there for mixed-use residential and commercial
development to occur, we are estimating there is a potential yield of 650 units. We take these yields, we add them to
our vacant land inventory, we try to determine if this is adequate to meet our RHNA, and we find there are still
additional programs that are necessary.
We also need to provide land adequate for moderate income housing units. We have a proposal at Canyon View, a
developer proposal, to put in 30 units of moderate income housing. Once again, the Quarry Creek site is where the
city is proposing to redesignate a portion of that property to accommodate moderate income housing. When I
mention moderate income housing and high density housing, it is all proposed to be at a minimum density. We are
proposing for our RH designation, which currently allows 15 to 23 dwelling units per acre. We are proposing to
change that so all future development under that RH designation would occur at a minimum 20 dwelling units per
acre. Keep in mind that is still 10 units lower than what the state considers to be acceptable for lower income. We
believe, however, that is adequate based on the number of affordable housing projects that have been approved at
that density or even below that density.
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For the RMH category, we are proposing that all future development would occur at 12 units per acre. You may
remember the density range now allows RMH densities to go down as low as 8 units per acres. We are also
proposing that any future residential development in the village would occur at a minimum density of 23 units per
acre. Then any development that would occur at a shopping center would be at a minimum density of 20 dwelling
units per acre. The Housing Element, after it is approved by the City Council, perhaps sometime later this year, will
simply approve programs. However, to actually implement these changes to redesignate properties to RH, or
whatever the category, will require future public hearings. The Housing Element, therefore, serves as a policy
document to actually implement the policies. Additional public hearings, land use review, environmental review,
etc., will still need to occur.
If we take the land use designation changes, our vacant lands inventory, and compare that with our remaining
RHNA, this is what results. Just taking a look at the lower income category, for example, when we look at our
vacant high density residential sites, all of the redesignations we are proposing, the mixed-use designations we are
suggesting, you can see we achieve a lower income unit yield of about 3,100 units. That puts us almost 800 units
over our lower income need according to the RHNA. The next category, moderate income, you can see we are not
able to meet our RHNA. In fact, we are still about 600 units short. That is okay because we have a surplus of lower
income units, and those lower income units can be applied to the moderate income category. At above moderate
income you can see we have more units than we need, and ultimately, if you look at the total, we have over 2,100
units more than what we need to satisfy our RHNA. That is a quick summary of the major changes in this proposed
Housing Element compared to the previous Housing Element, which covered the housing cycle from 1999 through
2005. Many of the programs from that Housing Element have been carried forward to this proposed document. The
major changes lie in our need to meet our RHNA and proposal of all of the various different land use designation
changes.
Chairperson Scarpelli asked Mr. Donnell if he is proposing that we actually build above the RHNA requirements.
Mr. Donnell answered no, no construction; just simply identifying lands.
Chairperson Scarpelli said than using the new recommended density, this is what it would create on those parcels?
Mr. Donnell said that is correct. It would create us a surplus in the lower income category.
Ms. Tarn continued with regard to the Housing Element process, the next step is we need to submit the Housing
Element to the city for review. Each round of review is 60 days. It is a very intense review process. We anticipate
they would take all the way to 60 days, and at the end of that, we will receive a comment letter from the state
indicating what their concerns are. At that time it would be the city's decision as to what you would be willing to do
and what kind of changes you will be willing to make to your housing policy and then use policy in order to meet the
state law.
At the same time, we also need to complete our environmental clearance documentation for the Housing Element.
We anticipate starting that once we start submitting the Housing Element to the state. It is the goal to achieve
certification, but it will probably take quite a bit of revisions and comments and negotiations. The adoption probably
will not occur until fall of this year. That is the next step for the Housing Element. There are still lots of
opportunities for comments and input, particularly during the 60 day review period as it is still considered a public
review period.
Commissioner Boddy said she has a question about the environmental clearance documentation. I believe it states in
the summary there is no CEQA requirement applicable to the Housing Element. Is that correct?
Mr. Donnell asked Board Member Boddy if she was referring to the staff report.
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Commissioner Boddy answered yes.
Mr. Donnell said it was just referring to this action tonight, but not to the Housing Element itself.
Ms. Tarn said for the actual Housing Element you would have to. It is just like an amendment to the General Plan.
Commissioner Boddy said she has a lot of comments. It is a lengthy document. I did go through it. I am not sure
we will have time for all of my comments. On page 2-2, the first full paragraph at the top of that page, second
sentence starts out "In 2000 residents under-constituted 23.3%." Are you trying to say "residents under 18 years of
age constituted 23% of the population?"
Mr. Donnell said he does see where she means.
Ms. Tarn apologized. We were using track changes to do the corrections.
Commissioner Boddy continued on table 2-8 on page 2-10 there is a category that is referred to as "large families"
and I think elsewhere in the draft Housing Element it refers to "large households." I'd like to know whether the term
"large families" and "large households" mean the same thing, and if so, should we use the same term in order to be
consistent?
Ms. Tarn said technically they do not mean the same thing. A family is a household, but a household may not be a
family. There can be a family of 5 members in the household, but it can also be a household with multiple unrelated
people living together. A large household is not a large family. In your community, you don't have a lot of
unrelated people living together. Most of the households are families. So in your community it is not that big of a
difference. In some communities it is a big difference. I will make sure we are consistent in the terminology.
Commissioner Boddy said on table 2-9,1 didn't understand footnote 5 as it applies to the farm workers and military
categories. "Percent of employed work force 16 years in 2000," I just didn't understand what that was trying to
convey.
Ms. Tam said in terms of the military personnel and farm workers, it is not as a percentage of your total population.
It is a percentage of how many people are in the work force.
Commissioner Boddy said on page 2-11 in the section entitled "Persons with Disabilities," the first full paragraph,
second sentence it reads, "The census defines a disability as a long lasting physical, mental or emotional condition."
Is that really how it is defined? It seems there ought to be something more like that impairs a person's ability to
function independently or some further descriptive language would be needed there.
Ms. Tam said the census definition is very long. You are correct. I can see what I can do to paraphrase that.
Commissioner Boddy said maybe paraphrase it but provide a little bit more than what is there, because that really
doesn't say anything. In the next paragraph there is a reference to the poverty level indicating that 9% of persons
with disabilities in Carlsbad earned incomes below the poverty level in 1999. The term "poverty level" is used a
couple of times, several times in the document. I would like to understand what we mean by that. How does that
correlate to the AMI? Is that extremely low?
Ms. Tam said it pretty much is extremely low, but it is not defined in that way. It is a complex index of over 40 to 50
factors they looked at. I will have to go back and look at exactly what the dollar amount was, but it probably is
around $15,000 a year for a household of four. It definitely would fit into your very low and extremely low category,
but it is not a direct relation to the AMI.
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Commissioner Boddy asked if Ms. Tarn could add something on that. I assume that number you just cited is specific
to Carlsbad or to San Diego.
Ms. Tarn said it is a national level.
Commissioner Boddy commented it is a national level, okay. Perhaps you could add a footnote to indicate what we
are referring to there. On page 2-12 at the bottom we refer to the North County area and then start talking about the
cities of San Diego, Oceanside and Escondido. I never really thought of the city of San Diego as being part of North
County. I just question why it is included there. I guess if we are looking at the region, then it would be more
accurate to say "in the San Diego county area."
Commissioner Boddy continued on table 2-11 on page 2-14,1 didn't understand some of the notations in the far right
column where it talks about the number of beds. Does "NA" mean not applicable or that it was not available or
zero?
Ms. Tam said this table is directly from the homeless strategy, and I think it actually means "not applicable."
Commissioner Boddy said further down in the day shelter section and the social services section we have dashes, and
I am assuming there it wouldn't be applicable because those are just day shelters or agencies.
Ms. Tam said you are correct. The first one is "not available" and the other one is "not applicable." Because it is
talking about the number of beds, and the day shelters do not have beds. I will define that better.
Chairperson Scarpelli said maybe just another footnote below.
Commissioner Boddy said she also thinks it would be helpful that whenever a table continues to the next page, if you
could just add "continued" after the title. This is one incident where that occurs, but if you put Table 2-11
Continued, it makes it a little easier to understand what you are looking at. On page 2-16 in the footnote at the
bottom, footnote 2,1 think there is a date missing, a year, July 25th, should that be 2004? Table 2-12 on page 2-17,1
understand what single-family detached is, and I understand what multifamily five plus units is. I'd like to make sure
I understand the difference between single-family attached and a multifamily two-unit property. What is the
difference?
Mr. Donnell said single-family attached refers to two units which are attached, but are located on separate lots. They
are a zero lot line, in other words.
Commissioner Boddy asked if that would be a duplex.
Mr. Donnell said yes, like a duplex, assuming each half is on its own lot.
Commissioner Boddy said then multifamily two to four could be like a condo complex where they own the interior
space but not the ground.
Chairperson Scarpelli said typically that is not the situation. Typically the multifamily two to four, duplex is up to
four, duplexes, triplexes and fourplexes. It is interesting that is broken out. That is how it is looked at from our
perspective in the finance industry. A multifamily is self-explanatory. We ought to look into that because again
single-family attached is really saying the same thing as multifamily two to four units.
Ms. Tam said to some extent, the definition of housing units has evolved in the different censuses so sometimes it
can be what they carry from an old definition as a single-family attached, and you have to think about a lot of the row
houses or some of the housing types in other parts of the country.
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Chairperson Scarpelli said alright then that is a national term.
Commissioner Boddy said table 2-14 on page 2-20,1 was just wondering if we have any more current data available
for home and condominium sales. Why are we going back so far in time?
Ms. Tarn said if you go to table 2-15, we attempt to update that differently. The data that was available in that
format back in 2004 is no longer available to the public. We attempted to update it with a median price for 2006.
Commissioner Boddy asked where you said that.
Ms. Tam said the next table.
Commissioner Boddy said on table 2-14 in the notes, there looks like there is some duplication there. It says "either
the records did not provide the sale price" and then the third notation is "did not include sale price." Isn't that the
same thing? It says there were 342 records excluded. Either they did not provide the sale price 288, did not include
number of bedrooms 31, and did not include sale price. Isn't that the same as "did not provide the sale price?"
Ms. Tam said she will double check on that.
Commissioner Boddy said on table 2-17, again looking at the notes, it defines small family as three persons, large
families as five or more persons. Do we mean small family up to three persons? Where would a family of four fit in
here?
Ms. Tam said we are trying to come up with a general sense of what kind of people can afford what type of prices.
The income limits is indexed by household size by one person, two persons, three persons, five persons so instead of
doing a massive table with many different household sizes, we picked one which is usually a single senior person
living together, three people usually is a young married couple with a young child, and a large family usually is a
more mature family with a child and also potentially with an extended family member. That is why we picked one,
three and five. If you want to see it, we can do two, three, four, five, six, seven and eight, but it would just make the
table very large.
Commissioner Boddy asked couldn't you include families of just one or two people in the small category and then
get the data in the existing categories you have?
Ms. Tam said their income limit would be different.
Commissioner Boddy asked Ms. Tam, but you think this is meaningful in the way it is presented? A family of four
just seems like such a standard measure of housing to me.
Ms. Tam said we can certainly do a family of four. It is a different income limit.
Chairperson Scarpelli asked if she would list that with the new listing on your chart of a family of four with their
income limit.
Commissioner Boddy said table 2-19 on page 2-26 in the headings we are referring to "elderly" as a category. Is that
the same as seniors, and if so, should we just say seniors since that is the term we have used previously? On table 2-
20 there is a typo in the header column, "earliest date of conversion" instead of "data of conversion." Would it be
possible to add the zip code or the quadrant for each of these projects that are listed here; the inventory of assisted
rental housing? That way we can see it at a glance where in the city these are located.
Mr. Donnell asked if those are the projects listed in 2-20 like northwest zip code.
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Commissioner Boddy said yes. You have the address, which is good, but if you could also include the zip code or
quadrant, that would be helpful. I had a question on the market value of the at-risk housing units. I saw the
methodology that was employed here, but I couldn't figure out how you derived the market value. I didn't have a lot
of time to study this, so maybe if I spent a little longer, I could have figured it out, but the market you have for
Seascape Village in Santa Fe Ranch I think it was the net annual income number that I couldn't get because the gross
annual income minus the annual operating costs didn't equate to the net annual income. So was there something else
that was being deducted there to get that net annual income number?
Ms. Tarn said she'll have to check on that.
Commissioner Boddy said she was also wondering if the staff had considered any alternative evaluation
methodologies. Or if you did, maybe you could briefly state in the Housing Element why you chose this one.
Ms. Tarn asked if it is in terms of the costs.
Commissioner Boddy said yes, in terms of the valuation. There are lots of different ways to determine market value.
Ms. Tam said there are many different ways, and I think the important thing is we are looking at a magnitude. There
is no way to really come up with accurate unless you do a very detailed analysis and interview the actual property
owners. What we are trying to do is compare the different options for preserving the units. What would be the more
costly? Not necessarily the precise number of the amount, but generally if you are talking about rent subsidies, if
you are talking about buying the unit versus if you are talking about building new units, what is the most costly
option amount. We are doing only a general analysis here and certainly not a detailed analysis because we don't
have the specific information incorporation of the property owners.
Commissioner Smith asked are you saying this is estimation.
Ms. Tam said it is just a general estimate. We have used this methodology with the state many times and they have
accepted this as one of the methodologies.
Commissioner Boddy said than this is a standard accepted method. I guess that was helpful to know that.
Chairperson Scarpelli said he does have a question on the methodology. What you are doing is you are looking at
fair market value estimates and using that appraisal method. Since these are remaining in the affordable housing
inventory, would it not be advisable to consider looking at them at cost basis because they are not going on the
market and it would give you a more realistic picture of actual cost values?
Ms. Tam said but these are privately owned. If somebody wants to sell it, they are not going to sell it at cost. They
are going to sell it at a profit.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, but they have limitations on their ability to put them on the market because they are in the
affordable housing inventory.
Ms. Tam said no. These are actually multifamily revenue bond projects. When the bond expires, they can sell it.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented that is 25 to 30 years.
Commissioner Boddy said on the next page on 2-30, it states "assuming an average development cost of $200,000
per unit for multifamily rental housing." What is that assumption based on?
Ms. Tam said she should say actually an average subsidy. That is closer to the reality. I have reviewed a lot of the
market studies by affordable housing developers, and the average subsidies for affordable housing is typically around
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$200,000 per unit in the North County area if you are talking about 20 units per acre. If you are talking about higher,
the subsidies naturally go higher.
Commissioner Boddy asked when you say subsidy, do you mean the amount of money that the local municipality
contributes to that project or are you talking about grants or what?
Ms. Tarn answered it doesn't necessarily mean that it is a local government that subsidizes it, but it is the gap
financing required in order to make a unit affordable. It can be funding that came from this state. It can be funding
that came from other kind of sources from the federal government, but in reviewing a number of affordable housing
developments in the North County area, the average for lower density, about 20 units per acre, for lower income
households is around $200,000. I should say it is a gap financing.
Commissioner Boddy said she would prefer if Ms. Tarn used the term "gap financing." On table 3-3 on page 3-6, in
the reference to Roosevelt Gardens, which is the last project listed, the number of units is shown as 11 total, 11
affordable. It is just a total of 11 units, right?
Mr. Donnell said correct.
Commissioner Boddy asked if that shouldn't be just 11 like Mariposa and La Paloma. It is a little confusing. I think
it should just be 11 and not 11/11.
Mr. Donnell said he sees the inconsistency.
Commissioner Boddy said she wrote in the margin "good" on the proposal to amend the RH land use designation to
require a minimum of 20 dwelling units per acre. I think that is a good idea. I don't want to get too granular here. I
also agree with the proposal to look at shopping center sites as potential locations for financing city housing. I
support that.
When we talk about second units, it is mentioned on page 3-15 that could be just an addition right to someone's
home? It doesn't have to be a free standing structure, right? It can just be an addition. Is that what a second unit
can be?
Mr. Donnell said it can be self-contained with a kitchen. It could be attached or detached.
Commissioner Boddy continued then as long as it is within the zoning, it doesn't really matter how they do it, right?
Mr. Donnell answered right.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented there are limitations on square footage on a second dwelling unit.
Commissioner Boddy said on page 3-18, in the first full paragraph, first sentence, it refers to the minimum density of
12 and 20 units per acre, which would be adequate for lower and moderate income housing respectively. I think it is
moderate and lower, respectively. Twelve would be for moderate, and 20 would be for lower income?
Mr. Donnell said you are correct.
Commissioner Boddy said on table 4-1 on page 4-2, when we are looking at land costs, did I see the prices here were
derived from the MLS listings of advertised prices or asking prices? Did these lots sell anywhere close to these
prices? Did the city look at actual sold data? There can be a big difference between what people ask and what they
get.
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Ms. Tam said we will see what we can do. I have only access to what is advertised. I am not a real estate agent, but
this actually I went through a real estate agent to pull that from.
Commissioner Boddy said he or she should be able to give you the sold data as well as advertised data. That would
be more useful. On page 6-13 in the program 3-6 "Land Banking" the last sentence of the full paragraph I think
there might be an extra word in there. I didn't quite get the meaning. This land would be used to reduce the land
costs of producing lower and moderate income housing developed by the city.
Ms. Tam said I think we can just take that out.
Commissioner Boddy said on the next page 6-14 program 3.7, Housing Trust Fund Objectives and Time Frame, and
there is one bullet and it refers to actively pursue housing activities to timely encumber and I think the word we want
here is "disburse" housing trust fund, not "disperse." On a more substantive level, can someone please help me
understand what we mean in the next section 3.8, second objective, and the second bullet, "Seek to maximize the
lease-out rate of the allocated vouchers?" What does that mean?
Ms. Tam said the Housing Authority is allocated a certain number of vouchers they can provide to the very low
income households. However, because of the market conditions, a lot of property owners may not be willing to
accept the vouchers so the lease out rates sometimes are not optimum so there are unused vouchers that unfortunately
if you don't use it, you tend to lose it. Or in the future you will receive lower subsidies in future years. We are
trying to say the Housing Authority tried to solicit more participation by property owners to accept the vouchers.
Commissioner Boddy asked, so we have vouchers that are unused because there are not enough properties available
where that qualify in the program, right? I guess then if that is the case, why would we pursue additional vouchers as
well?
Ms. Debbie Fountain, Director of Housing and Redevelopment, said she might add the way HUD has recently
changed the program, we probably need to change this description. You now get a lump sum amount of money. We
used to actually get voucher designations like we had 700 vouchers, but now there is a limited amount of money.
We try to stretch that money as far as we can. Sometimes it might get you 630 households on the program;
sometimes it might get you 660 households on the program; it depends on how much you subsidize each household
within that maximum amount of money you are getting. So it is not so much now just on a total number of vouchers.
It is how much money you get. Technically they say they are giving you funding for 700 vouchers, but it really
doesn't work out quite that way. What we really will be doing is trying to pursue as we can. They still call them
vouchers and funding for vouchers, but we will just try to pursue getting more funding for an estimated number of
vouchers, but it can vary in how many you actually issue.
Commissioner Boddy said looking at page B-3, the appendix B, page 3, Summary of 1999 Housing Element
Accomplishments, in the rehabilitation section where we talk about the progress as of December 2005, it says the
building department continued to monitor housing conditions as part of its code enforcement activities and structures
are reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Can we provide any more detail on this in terms of how many structures
actually were identified within the last Housing Element timeframe? This seems a little vague. Is there any data we
could bring forth on this point to show what the city has done in this area in the past is what I am asking.
Mr. Donnell said yes, we'll look into that.
Chairperson Scarpelli said what you are suggesting here is record of performance?
Board Member Boddy answered yes, I was just looking for more detail. This is a summary of our accomplishments
so I think it would be in our interest to show a little more specifically what we did in that area. On page B-18
regarding priority processing, program 3-7-F, which is around the middle of the page where we talk about progress
as of 2005, it simply says "the city continued to offer priority processing for lower income development projects."
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Again, could we maybe say more there; provide a little more detail on what we actually did, how many times we did
provide priority processing and how much faster it was. Just some more detail would be helpful. On page B-21
when we are talking about the objective of smaller, more affordable housing, in the progress statement there in the
middle of the first paragraph it says that "after the city amended is planned development ordinance and revised
development standards, this resulted in the development of smaller dwelling units in the city." I guess I was
surprised by that because it seems to me just from a layman's perspective that many of the housing units that have
been built since 2001 have been larger than in. the past, not smaller. Could we again provide some more background
and detail here to support this statement if this is indeed true. I've seen a lot of 3 and 4,000 square feet homes being
built around where I live so I'd like to know about these smaller dwelling units that we say have resulted.
On table B-3 in the Land Banking Activities where we refer to Cassia Heights in the development status it says
"under construction." I thought we were open there.
Ms. Fountain said we are now but I think when we were preparing this document, we were still under construction.
Commissioner Boddy asked is it too late to change it? I guess at some point we will revise that.
Ms. Fountain said we could make a comment as to when the expected completion day was.
Commissioner Boddy said on Goal 4 on page B-24 where we talk about "housing, jobs and work force balance." I
guess the city in its earlier Housing Element had a goal, as referenced here as Program 4-1, of assessing the impact of
commercial and industrial development on housing demand and the ability of local employees to afford local
housing, etc., talking about mitigation measures that will be considered to reduce the impact, including requirement
for commercial and industrial developers and employers to contribute in-lieu fees towards the production of
affordable housing and employer assistance to finance affordable housing for their employees, so it is work force
housing I gather. Then in the progress statement, it says "the city did not implement this program." I'd like to know
why not, and is it something we should address in this document?
Mr. Donnell said it has been a program that has been discussed for quite a while. I believe there has even been a
study prepared that would suggest ways it could be accomplished, but it is not a program or a policy that the Council
chooses to enforce.
Commissioner Boddy asked, chooses to enforce or to adopt?
Mr. Donnell answered either, but more correct to say adopt.
Commissioner Boddy said this may be already obvious and implicit, but on energy conservation, which I happen to
believe is very important and we need to promote that in all of our projects, it says in terms of our progress, "the city
continues to implement energy conservation measures in new development." I wrote in the margin "how." I read
further it says "the energy conservations measures are incorporated into the city's development review process,"
which I'm not entirely familiar with so maybe it is just a gap in my knowledge. I would really like to know a little bit
more about how we do that. Does energy conservation in any way make it more difficult to provide affordable
housing, and if so, how, and is there anything we can do to mitigate that?
Ms. Tarn said in this particular program we were referring to the state building code title 24 so it is complying with
that. In the development review process it would be to make sure the developer complies with the basic standards
under the building code. I don't think there is anything above and beyond that we are referring to in here. If you are
talking about just meeting the building code, then there should be no impact on affordable housing because
everybody else has to do the same thing. This is for basic health and safety reasons, and so there is no particular
impact unless you subsidize the cost. Otherwise there is no impact to that.
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Chairperson Scarpelli said the questions he had dealt with sensitive area. We are talking about reducing density on
the basis of state recommended density recommendations. We are bringing forth a program that is reducing density
further from 30 down to 20 dwelling units per acre, for example. Yet we have some very sensitive areas that the
public has advised us about that they would like to see preserved. Isn't it one working against the other by bringing
into the fold areas or parcels of land that are being recommended when we know there is a concern, even if we are
just reading a local newspaper? For example, we were talking earlier about the fact we just received a bunch of e--
mails on our dais here just a moment ago. I happened to receive mine one hour earlier thanks to a phone call from
Patti and my request that they be sent to me immediately. There is a concern about historical sites, sensitive sites
that the public is saying to us in the City of Carlsbad, we do not want these to be considered in the land inventory
that we are presenting. I realize this is a draft, and I realize there is a lot of work to be done before it gets into a
formalized approved form. But why do we even bother doing that from the beginning? The concern that I had, the
reason I ask the question, is we have in the projected numbers; we are projecting a considerable amount of surplus
over our required need for affordable housing in the city. Am I correct in that?
Mr. Donnell said yes and no. We have a greater than we need number of units in the lower income category, but we
have much less than we need in the moderate income category.
Chairperson Scarpelli said if I'm correct, we have 637 is the only negative number there, right?
Mr. Donnell answered correct.
Chairperson Scarpelli said that can be balanced out by any one of those easily.
Ms. Tarn said only the lower income can balance the moderate income. The above moderate cannot go down.
Chairperson Scarpelli said okay. And if I am correct, I am looking at 2,000 units in excess.
Ms. Tarn said no you are looking at an excess of—
Chairperson Scarpelli said the above moderate income then.
Ms. Tarn said the above moderate income cannot be balanced for the lower income. The 1,900 units in the above
moderate you can not use it to balance the moderate or lower income. Only the lower income can be used to balance
the moderate income.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented you could get more affordability into the units by increasing density versus
decreasing density.
Ms. Tarn agreed.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, so we are recommending that we go from 30 to 20, and I guess what I am saying is by
doing that aren't we then making it necessary to go for more land? Aren't we working against ourselves there?
Mr. Donnell said he'd like to clarify that. No we are not recommending a decrease. The 30 is a default density that
the state says is adequate for higher density housing or for lower income housing. Our high density housing now has
a minimum range of 15 to 23 units per acre with a growth control point of 19 dwelling units per acre. Historically,
most developments at that higher density have occurred at about the growth control point for 19 dwelling units per
acre. We are actually proposing in this Housing Element to bring that up to a minimum of 20 dwelling units per
acre.
Chairperson Scarpelli said he is still confused. Are we still talking in the same category when we are talking about
the 30 units per acre?
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Mr. Donnell answered yes.
Chairperson Scarpelli continued then we've got a control point of 19 and we are recommending 20. We still have a
spread of 10.
Mr. Donnell agreed, but the state's de facto density, 30 units per acre, is not anything the city has adopted. That has
never been a minimum density of our's.
Chairperson Scarpelli said he recognizes that. Shouldn't the city possibly be considering greater density so we don't
need to get into sensitive areas to create the units we are required to create? Have we addressed that possibility?
This is a sensitive area. We all know it here. I guess that was emphasized by the information we received. I think it
needs to be taken into consideration in this report. I recognize this is a draft. I recognize the approval we will make
this evening would be just to simply get it up to the state so they can look at it and they can come back with their
recommendations. We will have ample opportunity to address the concerns of the citizenry in this document, is that
correct, before it is approved?
Mr. Donnell said yes it is.
Shelley Hayes Caron, resides at the Marron Adobe: I am concerned, even though this is in draft form, that it is going
to the state identifying the Quarry Creek area, which is what we are talking about as a sensitive area. A lot of things
have occurred since this document started to grow. That is, of course, the recent 134 acre land acquisition made and
just closed escrow in March. That is pretty much half of the valley there. I furnished you with some more update on
the newsletter from January to March, and it discusses reclamation, restoration and rehabilitation of mining sites,
which is the only obstacle in connecting the water fall, the El Salto Falls, to the continuous undeveloped, untouched
property. Within those areas in the mining site that haven't been disturbed, there are other concerns of cultural
resources. I would request that this Commission come on a site visit, if you haven't been to the area and to the
Adobe and look at it first hand. The mapping certainly shows it as just a small reach, and this could be something of
great benefit to the city, not that housing isn't a benefit to people that need it, but this particular site is not a site that
should be considered for smart growth. If it is approved, it would bisect the recently acquired land with a road
system, and I can't see the public and the agency spending 9 '/2 million dollars in the future. It seems totally counter.
I've attended SANDAG meetings, and there are thoughts that perhaps this should never have been put on a smart
growth track. I am concerned that even though it is in draft form, that it will be seen at the state level, and then how
easy is that to remove it and resubmit that for comment again. Anyone that reviews this is going to assume these
sites are what you have chosen and there couldn't maybe be a change later. That is what my concern is.
Commissioner Smith asked if there is any way the Commission could go and see the site.
Chairperson Scarpelli said I'm sure we can set up an arrangement to see the site. I am not going to be available for
the next couple of weeks. I am on vacation after Saturday so I can't, but I'm sure the rest of the Commission could if
they so chose to take Shelley's invitation and go to the site.
Commissioner Boddy said, I won't be serving on the Commission unfortunately after tonight. I would still like to go
visit the site though.
Chairperson Scarpelli said he would talk with Ms. Fountain on that and see what could be arranged in that area.
Tom Maddox, 511 Rudder Avenue, one of the original members of the Farm Worker's Housing Task Force: On
page 2-10,1 was gratified to see that farm workers are still listed as a special needs group within this draft Housing
Element. I was a little surprised, however, in table 2.9 to see the number listed as 101 farm workers residing within
the city. I thought you might want to consider adding a note something like on page 2-15, because on that page you
do indicate this is based on census data, probably under-reported. You might even want to indicate where you say,
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"however the census likely under estimated," you might want to say "undoubtedly" or "most likely." I know I have
spoken to the general manager of Lesley Farms who operates the strawberry fields and he tells me they have 50
employees during light harvest, peaking at more than 200 employees during their peak harvest. You, of course, have
the flower fields. Although farming probably is on the decline, I seem to notice new, small fields popping up here
and there. There is one on Canon Road on 1-5 right by the railroad track, one at Palomar Airport Road and El
Camino, sort of the approach to the railroad, so I think there are a lot more farm workers out there. Also, perhaps to
some extent with the development of the golf course and the new timeshare resort, and I have no quarrel with either
of those projects, but I think some of our farm workers are probably being displaced to neighboring cities and over
crowded living arrangements. In terms of the new housing plan and some of the goals, I did note on page 6-16, you
might want to consider listing on the farm labor housing, this is program 3.13, and you make the reference to the
prior laws in terms of density for farm workers. On page 4.11 you pointed the city had amended its zoning code in
2004 to permit higher density developments with a conditional use permit. Just a thought you might want to recite
that again. However, more importantly, I was thinking on the funding sources, I wondered if you might consider
adding another possible source of funding as the affordable housing trust fund that is mentioned back on 3-19. I am
not sure if that is a viable source, but I thought it might be a possibility. More on point, as most of you know, the
city's agricultural conversion mitigation fee fund has a specific category for farm worker housing. I thought you
might want to mention that as well. Then in terms of appendix B and the Summary of Accomplishments, page B-l 1
where farm workers are discussed. This might be an issue just because this is a snapshot in 2005, but this section
ends with a reference to the committee I have been involved in and indicates that to date we have not been
successful, but you are continuing to work with us. We are actually still working on a project with Catholic Charities
at La Posada de Guadalupe to try to add 72 beds at that facility. I don't know if you wanted to mention something
like that here or leave this as a snapshot as of 2005. Although again, since you are talking about accomplishments,
you might again want to mention the creation of that special category within the agricultural mitigation funds that
addresses farm worker housing.
Mel Vernon, 4010 Loma Alta Drive, San Diego, CA 92115, San Luis Rey Bank of Mission Indians: The Quarry
site and that whole valley, to me, is a very special place. To me it looks like a place that has been avoided by time,
for whatever reason, and now we are looking at it as one of the last places to develop. That is why it is such a jewel,
I think, from both directions, from both developers and also people who want to preserve it. I am personally
connected to the land there with my great-grandmother, Lagrada Garcia. She was born in 1865 under the pepper
tree. A little further up the valley is the secret water fall meaning something to the Indian people. When you say the
word sacred, it hits everybody a little bit differently, but being people from the earth and the area and connecting
ourselves with the land. There was also a hearth found there that was 6,000 years old. We don't have to make
something up. It is something that has to be acknowledged and a lot of this stuff isn't acknowledged. Maybe it is
because people today have different ideas of what values are. People look at a piece of land and they see dollar
signs. I look at a piece of land, and I see culture, I see our connection through who we are here. I look at a city and
part of things I have been seeing is the Native Americans haven't been represented hardly at all but maybe in the
library here and there. We can't go downtown here and find any of the culture that is really here under our feet.
That is something that has been farmed over by our early pioneers and some of my ancestors because it wasn't
important to them. They were busy surviving and doing what they had to do that day. When you look at some of the
past, you realize some of the ancestors that were here in Carlsbad where Lego Land is, those ancestors were here
before there was an America, before there was a United States. Those people lived and died in their own time. What
I am looking at when I look at these, I see that some of these special places have survived to this generation and I see
it as a legacy to pass on to our future generation. Open space is becoming endangered. If we build on all the open
spaces, people will have to go further out somewhere else to find an artificially created open space. Those are just
some of the concerns that go through my mind. I like the creative thinking about spreading some of these things
away from us; let somebody else carry some of the burden so it doesn't come back to this piece of land that I see as
actually a bubble. If that bubble bursts, we lost it.
Don Christiansen, 3715 Longview Drive, Carlsbad, Smart Growth in the Buena Vista Creek Valley: I'd like to share
that I don't consider this area under discussion Quarry Creek. It is the Buena Vista Creek that feeds in to the Buena
Vista Lagoon. Quarry is the name of a shopping center that was built within a few feet, asphalt was laid within a few
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feet, of a unique natural resource, El Salto waterfalls, that go back 9,000 years in Native American culture that was
the site of the Portola Expedition where they camped in 1769. They camped at what is commonly known as El Salto
waterfalls, the Buena Vista Creek Valley. Quarry Creek is the shopping center. Having said that, this area is a
unique, natural resource. I have been a member of the Carlsbad Historic Preservation for over eight years, and last
year the Commission decided that El Salto waterfalls and the Buena Vista Creek Valley was the number one priority
for preservation in the City of Carlsbad. The letter to City Council also went on to say that in our opinion it was the
most important preservation effort in the last eight years. Recently, the Carlsbad Open Space Committee that has
met for over a year examining different pieces of land throughout Carlsbad to be designated as permanent open space
arrived at the Buena Vista Creek Valley and El Salto waterfalls as their number one priority for open space. This
piece of land deserves more than more asphalt and stucco. It is too special to just treat like another development.
Isabella Viney, 2326 Byron Place, Carlsbad: I am here to recite an essay that I wrote in school about saving El Salto
Falls. Near the Marron Adobe a waterfall stands. A Wal-Mart was put right by it. Why build more? El Salto Falls
is part of the Buena Vista Creek. This land supports a rich diversity of plants and animals. Not only is it a main area
for animals to eat and drink, it is one of the few natural and cultural places you can visit. If this place was destroyed,
many of environmental issues would pop up. I could imagine you disagreeing with this. You may think, we need
more places to buy clothes, food and supplies. We already have so many stores. Once again I ask you, why build
more? Why not take down unneeded buildings to put another in its place to make room. Sure it is unused land.
Sure, we could put houses there, but it provides a home for animals that otherwise might go crawling into your home.
This land has many historical reasons why it should be kept as a landmark, not a Wal-Mart. El Salto Falls was part
of the original Rancho Aqua Hedionda land grant. The area has been recorded in history from the time of the Portola
expedition of 1769. Before that and for a long, long time, it was a sacred site for Native Americans. Keeping El
Salto Falls could also be a tourist attraction. The City of Carlsbad could earn money. They could put a stand after
we knock down Wal-Mart on top of the hill the falls are on and we could sell sunglasses, cameras and hats, then we
could lead the people through a gate to take pictures of El Salto falls with their new cameras. This wouldn't be good
for nothing land now would it? Preserving El Salto Falls should be a main priority for the residents of Carlsbad. It
would be very sad if we didn't have this beautiful place anymore.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented that was a beautiful essay. Did you get an A+?
Ms. Viney said, I don't know yet. They haven't graded it yet.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, if I were your teacher, I would definitely give you an A+.
Gary Duerst, 155 Juniper Avenue: I am not hear to speak on the falls. Some of the points they made are along the
same lines that I have feelings about also. In college I was an econ major and a poly sci minor and spent two years
in real estate in mobile homes so I have that background. I spent 18 years as a senior bureaucrat for a governmental
agency in the inland empire area. What I am going to say plays back to all of that background. The first point is the
basic rules of supply and demand. What property is worth is primarily location, location, location. Two of the areas
that you have listed as locations for lower income housing are the Village and Ponto areas that are west of the 5 that
are location, location, location. I find it extremely difficult to believe that trying to average what your support level
is going to be for property that close to the water and using an average for North County low income housing overall
is mis-based. As the folks said related to the fall situation, I know enough about bureaucracies to know that you can
give them more, but don't try and take it back after you have turned it in. In telling them that you are going to be
plus 778 on lower income, you are going to play hell trying to take that back again later on. It just so happens those
numbers you put up there said 650 for the Village and 128 for Ponto, which happens to total 778. At an absolute
minimum I would suggest you move those two areas from the lower income to the moderate income, and because of
location, you will find it extremely difficult in reality to ever be able to make moderate income housing available in
those areas. People will pay a premium to live there regardless of the size of the units. I am not arguing over the
density. I am arguing over the classification that you are going to put low income housing that close to the beach.
The only way you will do it is to pay massive subsidies. Then the only people who will get that will be those who
win the lottery because they will not be able to afford those properties. Everybody and their uncle will want in.
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Their names will go in a hat, and somebody will be a lottery winner. My personal feelings are that the laws of supply
and demand should decide who gets to live in the most expensive property. That location makes it the most
expensive property. How much low income housing do you think we would find designated in Newport Beach,
Malibu or La Jolla, and that is our future. Especially west of 1-5, that is where Carlsbad is going. We aren't San
Bernardino. We aren't Marino Valley. We aren't Paris. We aren't even Escondido. This is high priced property
and we are kidding ourselves to think we are going to put low income housing west of 1-5. It won't happen.
Brian Milich, McMillin Companies: Originally I was not planning on speaking tonight, recognizing this is a general
plan level issue and we are not here really to talk about specific properties. However, as you know we are the future
owner of the Quarry Creek property and the issue has come up both in the report and in some of the discussion
tonight. I thought I would at least let you know our position as the future developers of that property. In terms of the
staff position and the recommendation going forward, in general we are supportive of that. We have not, at this
point, submitted any development applications. In fact, we are following behind the Hanson Aggregate Reclamation
process which is just starting its public review process, but we have not submitted any development plans to the city.
We actually find ourselves in a unique position where the city staff is a little bit ahead of us. Normally we are
pushing the process along, but in this case staff is moving forward with a potential general plan amendment, which at
this point, we are not here to discuss the details of the project. However, because issues of the project will
undoubtedly be raised throughout this process, I think it needs to be made very clear that while the 168 acre site
certainly has the potential to accommodate the type of densities that staff is proposing, we recognize there will
definitely be a lot of discussion and need to address all of the sensitive resources on the site. Should all 168 acres be
developed? Absolutely not. Should the Quarry Creek Falls, should the Buena Vista Creek be preserved?
Absolutely. We recognize the city's general plan already designates a large portion of the site for residential
development. Its habitat management plan has hard lined that area. It has clearly identified the sensitive resources
on the site. We are well aware and had discussions already at a preliminary level with some of the community. We
recognize that the falls are a very significant resource that will have to be preserved. We recognize the creek and the
valley itself are significant resources and will be preserved. I would simply ask that as you go through this process,
you recognize this site could be, and in fact should be, an important element in providing much needed housing for
the city and the region as well. I believe very strongly that both objectives, open space preservation, and housing
provision, can be met on this site. I think they can be met very adequately, and I think at the end of the day we can
have a very unique and exemplary process. The last point that I want to make is if you look on the big picture of
sustainability, environmental orientation in new developments, Quarry Creek actually is a site that not only should
develop, but really has to develop. It is a brown field development. It is already a heavily impacted site. By not
developing this site, you put undue pressure on other sensitive areas that probably shouldn't be developed. We just
set aside almost 50% of the Robertson Ranch Project for open space. Those are areas that will not be developed,
have been taken out of the city's ability to put units in those areas for appropriate reasons. If you take a highly
impacted area, not all of the site but a portion of Quarry Creek is highly impacted because of the quarry operations,
and make it open space, I think you are going to end up putting pressure on areas that should be preserved
permanently. At the end of the day, I think portions of Quarry Creek should absolutely develop. I think portions of
Quarry Creek should not be developed and should, in fact, be preserved and maybe enhanced. We fully understand
the disparate views on this. We are fully prepared to address those. I would again ask you to look at the big picture,
as I know you will, as you go through this process. I would be more than happy to answer any questions that you
might have.
Chairperson Scarpelli said it does appear that the communications with those people who are activist in the area with
preserving the Buena Vista Creek and El Salto Falls, which is the proper name and that was brought to our attention
this evening, but I think absolute communication with folks that are trying to preserve this site is absolutely essential.
It is not meeting with the city and it is not meeting with us. I believe you have to get that dialog going and see what
can be done to satisfy the concerns of the citizenry that are concerned about maintaining this historical site for the
reasons mentioned here at the meeting tonight. I am sure something can work out to the mutual benefit of the
citizenry and the developer, and I am sure compromise will have to be reached in accomplishing this. I would
suggest the sooner you start dialoging with them the better.
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Commissioner Smith I agree with Commissioner Scarpelli. I think you should have a meeting with the people and
try to work something out. I was deeply touched when they said this is sacred ground. I too have Indian descent and
I have heard my family speak of their feelings. I think we should speak with the people.
Peggy Dornish, 6873 Carnation Drive: I am speaking to you on behalf of the League of Women Voters North Coast,
San Diego County, an organization of over 250 members. Our league has a long history of involvement in local and
regional government, especially with respect to land use and transportation. We generally support SANDAG's
Smart Growth projects. At their suggestion, we are bringing several concerns to your attention this evening. The
League of Women Voters urge:
1. All sites in the preliminary plan undergo further review of environmental impact in order to eliminate those
with significant constraints.
2. In as much as what we call the Quarry Creek site, it is both environmentally and culturally important, the
league strongly recommends that it be removed as a possible site from the smart growth concept map.
3. It appears to us this site fails to meet basic smart growth design guidelines. That is on the one hand, it
would require building new roads through an area with significant natural, cultural, and historical resources.
On the other hand, since it is not on a transit corridor yet, it is close to a freeway ramp and it is likely to
encourage auto use rather than other modes of desired transportation such as public transit.
Diane Nygaard, 5020 Nighthawk Way, Oceanside, CA 92056: I am here tonight representing Preserve Calavera and
our over 1,900 families. Our focus is on preserving the largest remaining natural land left in all of coastal north
county. It is the Calavera area of northeastern Carlsbad and we distributed a handout to you for your consideration.
We recognize you are under tremendous pressure from SANDAG who wants to add a million more people to San
Diego County and from the state who wants a lot more housing and a lot more affordable housing, but your
responsibility is really to this community. This community we think has made it clear what their concerns are. You
are the ones with the responsibility for approving this housing plan. What you approve in this plan is likely to
determine what the Carlsbad of the future really looks like. We support affordable housing. We support smart
growth. But what we don't support, and we know this community doesn't support, is destroying what makes this
community so special. Our concern is not really the details of the housing element. It is one thing. It is the 600
units proposed at Quarry Creek. The Buena Vista Creek Valley , as you point out, is a creek and a waterfall that is
priceless. Our organization, with the support of over 700 members of this local community just raised the funds to
leverage the acquisition of the Sherman property; 130 acres of new open space, half of the remaining Buena Vista
Creek Valley. Words really can't tell you how we feel having spent years of effort to save half of this valley to see
you throw that away or potentially throw it away and simply put twice as much development on the other half of the
valley. It was an easy choice for staff to look at this valley, and you clearly have a willing developer, but it is not the
right choice for this community. The valley is priceless. The residents of this area have made it clear how they feel
about it. Please honor their wishes. Direct your staff to go back to the drawing board and come back with a plan
that really balances these issues. We can save one of the special places that still hasn't been lost to the bulldozers if
we have the vision and the courage to do it. You only have one chance to see that this is done right. We ask you to
send this back to the staff until you are satisfied this is the best plan that it can be.
Brad Roth, 1507 Rubenstein Avenue, Cardiff 92007, works in the environmental field: Apparently there is a surplus
of about 2,000 units in the above moderate income category of something like 3,500 needed. It seems to me the city
has been approving too many units in the high income categories and not enough in the low income. Now there is
pressure to make up for the deficit at the expense of open space, increased density, and so on. I think we need to
recognize that. I have a question. Does the city maintain the lower income housing designation in perpetuity? I
know in Encinitas they give density bonus and they say this is going to be a low income unit so the developer gets a
density bonus. But it only has to remain a low income unit for 30 years. Is there anything like that?
Ms. Fountain answered our projects are 55 years for rentals, which is considered the life of the project, and 30 years
for a for-sale product.
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Mr. Roth continued the impression he gets in Encinitas is there is a gradual erosion of the low income housing stock
because of this 30 year thing.
Chairperson Scarpelli asked Mr. Roth if that answered his question. It is 55 on the rental units, and it is 30 on the
for-sale properties.
Mr. Roth said it does seem to me that in 30 years your low income units are going away, that is contributing to your
problem and maybe there needs to be a look at that. You are just eroding your low income housing over a 30 year
period. I don't understand this table. If there is a surplus of above moderate income units, and a deficit of moderate
income units, I'm not sure I understand the whole thing correctly, why can't you build less of the above moderate
and more moderate?
Ms. Tarn answered, when you designate a site, you designate it by zoning category, by density, and they tend to
equate density with affordability, but it doesn't necessarily say this site will have to become lower income housing.
When we look at the density, above the moderate income we are talking about units that are at a very low density
range, which the state will not accept as possible or feasible for moderate or lower income development. So they are
really equating density with affordability. When you look at land that is really low density, they would not accept it.
Mr. Roth asked if you would have to change the zoning. Then maybe that is something they need to look at doing. I
really came here tonight to address the Hanson Aggregates property use. I had been hearing about the El Salto falls
for quite a few years, and I went there the first time and I was just thunderstruck that here I was standing in the
parking lot of this huge shopping center 15 to 20 feet away from this falls, which has Indian sacred site just written
all over it. You have to go probably 30 miles in any direction to find anything close to this spectacular of a waterfall.
McMillian Company, as I understand, put that shopping center practically on top of it. You should get an aerial view
of this site, or just go to the back corner of the parking lot at the shopping center. This huge sign is sitting right
above this falls. You just wonder, what were they thinking? The first time I went there I thought they must have
done this years and years ago before anybody knew any better. Then I find out this thing is a couple or three years
old. It just was mind boggling to me. To me it is obvious the falls should be the centerpiece of a beautiful park not
the back slope of some shopping center parking lot. The damage to the site is just incredible. On the other side of
the falls, there is asphalt and broken rock piled up. I couldn't believe the way this site, which is so unique, was
treated. I think maybe the city and the developer owe the community a debt from the damage they have already done
to this site.
Peg Crilly, 2330 Paseo de Laura, Oceanside: I would first like to thank you for recognizing the many e-mails and
comments the citizens have put forward in support of saving the valley and the waterfalls. That is really important
for us. I am urging you not to rezone any part of the Buena Vista Creek Valley for housing or commercial units.
This site includes much beauty and is a sacred site listed in the Native American Registry. We need to respect that.
This sacred site does not mean "vacant land that needs housing on it." The Buena Vista Creek Valley and waterfalls
are one of the few remaining sites of historical, cultural and natural resource significance. It needs to be preserved
and protected for future generations so they know what natural space is and can honor the historical and natural
aspects when they study it in school. Personally, this valley has become very endeared to me even though I have
lived here less than two years. I understand it has a unique history to it, and even one that my parents liked to see
when they came to visit this past June. I also recognize people have always sought out natural spaces for spiritual
and emotional renewal; especially in those times when the beaches are crowded with tourists. This is why we need
the waterfalls and the creeks. The local community cares about the Buena Vista Creek Valley. Hundreds of
residents attended the fund raiser and educational days at the Adobe for the Sherman parcel, including myself. We
all donated much time, energy and money to save the valley. We all have the intention that the valley be preserved
and protected. Building housing and commercial units will destroy the natural habitat along with the cultural and
historical significance. The many important species need that wildlife corridor over there. In the presentation we
heard tonight, we saw that there is plenty of available land for low and moderate income housing units and other
vacant lots that are underutilized. Please use that. I am all for affordable housing, but not at this site. The Quarry
area should be restored and reclaimed for natural habitat to preserve one of the wild, scenic, cultural and historic
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jewels of the North County while we still can. I urge you not to rezone and not to develop any part of the Buena
Vista Creek Valley and El Salto falls for housing or commercial uses and respect the will of the local citizens who
have worked hard to preserve it. In the words of someone wise, which I can't recall right now, they said, "Once it is
gone, it is gone." Please remember this when you visit it.
Mario: The report is a little bit confusing. I am kind of surprised of the $200,000 subsidy and you don't say so in
the report. That is unfortunate. My information is that the city has access to all the public information in the county.
We can get costs and sales prices of any house, any piece of land. Why do we have changes from one thing to
another so we can't tell anything? The issue here is we have four quadrants in this city and about three of them are
practically brand new, and the fourth one is the old place. Now you tell me that we have left, if I understand this
correctly and I hope I'm wrong, is that we have 2,109 dwelling units left. What I am reading into that is that would
get to the cap of the housing excess dwelling units. Any houses or dwelling units beyond that point now have to go
to a public hearing. Am I wrong with that? And because you mentioned something that if we go beyond a certain
point, we would have to go back to the general public and have a vote, if we exceed the general plan, the growth
management plan. The state law says we have these dwelling units for this period, but the next period is coming and
is going to have additional houses, and eventually we are going to get where the growth management has to be
exceeded because you mention that you looked at every piece of land. There are pieces of land in Carlsbad that for
one reason or another haven't been developed to their full potential. You have also mentioned here on property lots,
the standard size in city of Carlsbad today is 7,500. In the Redevelopment Area and the areas north of the
Redevelopment Area and south of the Redevelopment Area, we have lots of only 3,500 square feet. They are
classified as R2. It means by today standards, those people can't build a duplex on their property, and yet the zoning
plan says you can do that. I am concerned this Housing Element is not really telling the people where we are going
or we have been and what is ahead of us here when the growth management plan gets up to that point, and we are
pretty close to it. I am hoping that somebody will clarify this because there is some properties here that if that is true,
we will not be able to develop them unless we go to the general public for a vote. Yet state law is saying to the City
of Carlsbad, and the staff will verify this, the growth management plan doesn't mean much. If every city in
California was to take the same position, what would happen to the economy of this state? Where would your
children go? I am concerned that we have in this report today apples and oranges because of the four quadrants.
The cost of land by the beach is not $20 an acre foot. It is running in the hundreds. Some of the land in the
Redevelopment Area is over $200 already. Nothing west of 1-5 sells probably for anything less than $100. It is
approaching those limits. In this report, we mention the cost of land many, many times, and yet there is very little
about the actual values of land so it can inform the citizens where we are going. So I am concerned. The
Redevelopment Area is mentioned quite often, and I support what is going on in the Redevelopment Area, but the
areas north and south don't exist apparently because they are not mentioned here. Another thing, the state law I
understand requires that the Housing Element include every piece of land with a parcel number that is included for
future development. In here they are mixing several areas and saying X number of dwelling units, but we don't
know where they are. Yet that is what the housing law says. It has been suggested here that we ignore state law.
Well that is really a challenge if we are going to do that. There is a lot of good information in this report, but there is
also somewhat unclear and confusing information. I could go through a lot more than Commissioner Boddy, but I
don't want to waste your time.
Commissioner Boddy said in regard to the comment earlier about low income housing west of 1-5, I'd just like to
know if there is any currently.
Ms. Fountain said we do have some affordable housing that is west of 1-5. We have a couple of new projects that
have been built recently. Village By The Sea has 11 units that are provided within their 65 total condos that are
affordable to low income households. Laguna Point has 3 units in it. The Housing and Redevelopment Commission
just approved a project with Habitat for Humanity on Roosevelt Street which will be 11 units for very low income
households, and we have the Tyler Court Senior Apartment complex that also provides affordable housing to very
low and extremely low income seniors. I think what I understood the point was that those are very difficult to do and
density alone is not going to get you that affordability and that you will need to heavily subsidize those units and in
some cases that has been true. In some of the other cases where we have inclusionary housing requirements, the
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developers were the subsidy source on that. In other cases, it would be the Housing and Redevelopment Agency that
would do that. That is what I understand the point when he mentioned that.
Commissioner Boddy asked isn't there also an affordable housing site near the Poinsettia Train Station?
Ms. Fountain said yes, but that is outside the Redevelopment Area.
Commissioner Boddy said it is west of 5 though.
Ms. Fountain said yes, it is west of 1-5. We have an inclusionary housing ordinance that is city wide so that is going
to be west of the 1-5 and east of the 1-5 that will apply. So any new housing development is going to have to provide
units within their developments so units would have to be provided in the Ponto area, they were provided at the
Poinsettia properties project, which already has an existing rental project and will providing some additional units.
All of those are requirements of development and have been done and in most cases, fairly heavily subsidized.
Commissioner Boddy said in regards to the Buena Creek/Quarry Creek, however we are referring to it, I'd like to
know a little bit more specifically which portion of the property that the city is proposing to redesignate. In the draft
Housing Element on page 3-9, there is a blanket statement that the city proposes to redesignate a portion of the
property to RH and then also proposing to designate another portion of it to RMH. Can you address that, provide
more detail on which portions we are talking about?
Mr. Donnell answered the Quarry Creek site, Buena Vista Creek Valley site is much larger in terms of acreage than
we need to have in terms of portions to be designated for high or medium high density. There has been no analysis
done to say exactly where that would occur, which portions of the project would be high or medium high density,
and that is because at this stage we are simply calling the site out as a potential location for those units to be built.
The analysis to determine exactly where the units would occur on the property wouldn't occur until the Housing
Element is adopted, including that program, and then at that time the appropriate General Plan amendment,
environmental documents, etc. would be prepared to identify specifically the location.
Commissioner Boddy said as a follow up, do I understand correctly that what we are proposing in this draft is 250
units to be allowed on the Quarry Creek site? That is what is reflected in table 3-9.
Mr. Donnell said for medium high density, yes.
Commissioner Boddy asked, how about for high?
Mr. Donnell answered for high would be 350.
Commissioner Boddy asked, this is how many acres?
Mr. Donnell said, Quarry Creek in total the site was formerly mined about 100; not all of that property is mined,
however. Some of it is preserved. I think we are looking at somewhere in the vicinity of 40 acres for both the high
density and medium high density sites.
Brian Milich from Corky McMillian Companies, said actually the site is closer to 160 acres. There are actually two
parcels. The portion that is subject to the reclamation plan, and then another portion. Together they total about 160
acres.
Ms. Nygaard wanted to be clear that the total number of combined units in both income categories is 600 units.
Commissioner Boddy said she would just like to clarify something. A member of the public said this is our one
chance. I understand there will be further opportunities for the Housing Commission and other bodies within the city
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including the Planning Commission and the City Council to review not only this Housing Element, but also any
specific development plans that might ensue in the future, is that correct?
Mr. Donnell answered, yes it is.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, I am concerned about this issue on the Buena Vista Creek, and I would tend to agree with
one of the citizens here this evening that once we present this at the state level, it will be very difficult to readjust it
because they will be coming down with their recommendations to us; we'll be going back with our recommendations
to them. How much attention was paid in looking at the parcels to the fact that this was such a sensitive area when
determining that this was a potential area for affordable housing?
Mr. Donnell said staff recognizes that the site has sensitive resources; certainly such as the falls and potentially other
cultural resources, biology, steep slopes, etc. However, the site also is considered to be developable, at least a
portion of it has a residential designation. There has not been an intense analysis done yet to determine those
sensitive habitats, what needs to be preserved, etc. We simply see the Quarry Creek or Buena Vista Creek site as a
potential location for higher density housing than what the current General Plan allows. Should the City Council
adopt the Housing Element with the program to allow portions of Quarry Creek be at the medium high and higher
density, that is the point in time when the necessary planning is done to specifically identify the sites and the
potential yield from them, whether or not the yields can be achieved per the Housing Element as it suggests today is
a question that would be decided when those studies are done.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, my position right now is leaning towards removing that parcel or parcels from this report.
I am concerned that some decisions be made on that right now. Hopefully the public understands we are not a
decision making body. Our roll is to recommend to the City Council for their approval. All we can do is to make
that recommendation. I am ready to recommend, just on what we have seen and what I have heard and in looking at
these numbers, that this Commission really seriously take a look at asking staff to go back and remove those parcels
from this report. I am not only talking about the Buena Vista parcel, but also the Quarry Creek portion of it. I am
not sure the total yield in that and whether we can deal with meeting these numbers. We are in excess by 2,000 units
is what I am looking at. Am I correct in that? I do need to know that. Are we in excess?
Mr. Donnell said it depends on the income category you are looking at. Total excess is 2,000+ units, that is correct.
The total number as you see is 2,109 units. However, a great majority of that are units considered to be above
moderate income. Where the city really needs units are in the other categories, lower income and moderate income.
Do we have an excess? Yes, we do in lower income as the left hand column shows. We do not have an excess in
moderate income, however. That is where the excess in the lower income is so important.
Chairperson Scarpelli asked, if those parcels were removed from the potential land available for housing, do we
know how it will affect the number of units in the lower income? With the two parcels, are they basically dealing
with units in the category of moderate income? Is that where those units are?
Ms. Tarn said, if you are looking at the Quarry Creek, and I am still going to use Quarry Creek because that is how
we refer to it in the Housing Element, if you are removing that proposal from the redesignation to high density, you
would subtract 350 units from the lower income category. So you have an excess of 428. If you also take out
Quarry Creek for the medium density, then you have a further deficit of another 250 units so you have a deficit of
887 units in the moderate income category. One way or another, you still need to balance those two categories out
and only the lower income can balance the moderate income.
Chairperson Scarpelli asked, if we increased the density recommendation in the report, which we still can do, right?
Have you analyzed if we increased the density, and I know this would have to be a City Council decision to do this,
but if they were to decide to increase the density, can we make up what we have as a deficit by removing those
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Mr. Donnell said, that is potentially correct. We proposed the densities we did, however, because that seemed to be
somewhat consistent with current city policy.
Commissioner Boddy said, as 1 understand it, the densities that are proposed are minimums, right? So a minimum of
20 units per acre for lower income, meaning you could go higher, right?
Mr. Donnell said yes.
Commissioner Boddy said it is not precluded to go higher. There is no range anymore of 16 to 23, it is 20 or above,
right?
Mr. Donnell answered, yes.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, I am ready to recommend that we really analyze going that route to save those parcels.
Mr. Donnell said, if I may add one more thing, we did not lightly take the duty to find other sites to accommodate
our RHNA need. Yes, we do have almost 2,000 units of above moderate income housing potential. When we
prepared our vacant lands inventory, we did a real thorough job to try to understand where we could fit the need for
lower and moderate income. We looked at all areas of the city. The sites we concluded that were best for a variety
of reasons are the sites we went over tonight, including the Quarry Creek location.
Ms. Tarn added, if there is one thing I can add, you had a concern earlier that if we include a site's inventory and
show it to the state and if you do remove one or two of the sites later on, would they be concerned? The state
doesn't dictate where the sites come from. They only dictate whether you meet the bottom line. So if you choose to
swap the sites later on, it is absolutely within your local control.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, I am concerned that maybe the decision needs to be made by this city that those sites are
not available before this report goes up to the state.
Mario from the audience asked a question off the record.
Mr. Donnell said if it is regarding the questions you asked earlier, can you repeat them?
Mario said he was wondering if that 2,109 is what remains in the city to be developed. But someone is shaking his
head over here and says no. I am confused what that number really means.
Mr. Donnell said that number is a reflection of an inventory of vacant land today as it exists based on current General
Plan land use designations. For example, if the General Plan states that a 100 acres may be developed at three units
per acre, we know that property has a yield of 300 units per acre. So yes, that inventory is looking at all available
land in the city as of this date and that is the resulting yield. Does that indicate that is all that can be built in the city
in the future? No, it does not.
Commissioner Boddy said, I have a concern about timing. I understand we are already well into the 2005-2010
Housing Cycle, and I don't know if there is a statutory or other deadline that we are running up against here, but it
seems like if we don't get this Housing Element approved or certified soon, we are going to be into the next housing
cycle. I am concerned about delay here, and I'd like to understand what the impact might be if we don't approve this
draft tonight for submission as a draft, understanding it will be subject to further review and approval and further
opportunities for public review and comment.
Mr. Donnell said Ms. Tam and I can answer that. We agree the city feels it is pressing to submit the Housing
Element as soon as possible. That is why we have done the vacant lands inventory to try to determine as best we can
what the analysis is and what our needs are. Along those lines, in addition to bringing this item to you, one of the
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other efforts that we have tried to do is go ahead and brief our City Council on the various programs and policies we
are proposing and that you are seeing tonight. It was the City Council, based on those briefings that we had, each
member of the Council felt generally that the policies and programs, including Quarry Creek for example or the
Ponto Project or the MAG property, represented acceptable programs to go forward with in terms of a draft to
present to HCD and maybe Ms. Tam can also answer some of the ramifications of cities that don't have adopted
Housing Elements.
Ms. Tam said, for cities that don't have adopted Housing Elements, obviously you are subject to a lawsuit. You
would be in a very difficult situation to defend your position of not having a Housing Element that complies with
state law.
Commissioner Boddy asked, who would the likely plaintiff be in that type of lawsuit?
Ms. Tam said, it depends on the local situation. You can have a developer who would sue the city. That has
happened before. You can have a local group suing the city or you could have non-profit advocate groups that sue
the city, such as the City of Folsom that became a very famous case in the state. That is one of the reason why we
want to make sure that the city has the ability to comply with state law as soon as possible. The more you delay, the
shorter timeframe to actually implement the Housing Element, the more stringent the state's view will become and
the more incentives and efforts that they would want to impose on the city to make sure the development would
occur in a timely manner. The more you delay, the more you will have to actually put in the Housing Element.
Commissioner Boddy said, you mentioned the 60 day review process. If we were to submit this draft to HCD
tomorrow, when do we expect this entire review process to be completed? Assuming we approve the draft tonight.
Ms. Tam said, if we are being very optimistic, it usually takes around two rounds of review, two 60 day rounds. I
have rarely seen a community that would get through the state with just one round of review. So assuming you do
two months of review and then you come back and spend maybe at least a couple of weeks in responding to the
comments and resubmit for another two months, you are talking about a five month timeframe for reviewing. If you
go back to look at what happened with one of your neighbors, the City of San Diego, it took them seven rounds of
review. We want to be able to make sure we are bringing in the best strategy that we can with the highest likelihood
of getting a certified Housing Element.
Commissioner Boddy asked, do we have a target date for when this would be finally approved based on the current
schedule?
Mr. Donnell said, we are hoping, optimistically, that this will come back before you in the fall, make it to the City
Council by late this year and be certified by HCD early next year, say February or March 2008.
Chairperson Scarpelli asked, what about a deadline date as far as the state is concerned when we have to have it
done.
Ms. Tam said we are well past the date.
Chairperson Scarpelli commented about the liability question. Since we are able to self certify, we chose not to self
certify, and on that basis we are going through this process, but again it is an unlimited liability you are taking on as
a city.
Ms. Tam said, the other thing too even when you self certify the Housing Element, it doesn't exempt you from
complying with state law. The only thing it bypasses is the state's review, but you still have to meet every
requirement of state law, including all of the land use issues we talked about.
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Ms. Fountain said, we know there is great sensitivity to the Buena Vista Creek area, and as Mr. Donnell mentioned,
there was a lot of internal debate over how we identify the properties that potentially have additional density to be
able to provide to meet our requirement for low and moderate income housing. It is probably one of the key reasons
why this has been so delayed. It is trying to figure out how we answer that question because densities in Carlsbad are
difficult no matter where we try to put them. If we don't put them in one location, it just means you have to find
another location for them where you have to increase densities. We understand that is a very difficult position to put
the Commission and to put the Council and everybody that will have to deal with this will have a difficult decision to
make. There was a lot of effort that went in to try to figure out how do you disperse this through the community and
share the pain throughout the community, we have to do something. We have to designate the sites. We have to find
the sites that will accommodate the density to do this to be able to get a certified Housing Element and so I think
what is before you tonight is our best effort to do that. It doesn't' mean it is perfect. It doesn't mean that we have
solved all the problems and that we are not going to have to still work through quite a bit of that to preserve these
sensitive areas that need to be preserved. I think you just have to keep in mind that if we don't add some density,
some residential into these areas that we have designated, we are going to have to find other sites for them. It is not
easy to do that in Carlsbad. Even though we might show that we have an over abundance of what we need in upper
income, those are lower densities and that is why they are in that upper income category. So unless you want to go
into some of those areas and increase densities substantially, which is also going to be controversial, so there is not
an easy position here to take because it is going to be controversial no matter what position is taken. With that, we
are happy to take whatever suggestions you have and we understand that this will need to be considered further and
all of these comments will need to be incorporated at some point for a final policy decision. I just wanted to share
that. We are understanding that if we remove any sites, we have to find other sites, and that is not going to be easy.
When it comes back to you, you are going to be dealing with some other controversy as well. It doesn't go away just
by taking it out of there.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, I am still perplexed on this issue. I am personally not ready to write this recommendation
on this draft as it stands and for the reasons stated. I recognize we will probably have a much more difficult time in
the future by adding density to other areas, but I think it has been well stated that once this sensitive site is gone, it is
gone and there is no way to save it. To put it out there with that possibility, I personally am not ready to do that.
Commissioner Boddy commented, I recognize the importance of preserving open space, and in particular the
sensitivity of this site. I am not personally familiar with it, but I hear you. I think what we are being asked to do
tonight as the Housing Commission, our mission is to provide opportunities for housing in Carlsbad. It is not our job
to decide whether or not certain land should or should not be developed. I would be willing to support submitting
this Housing Element as a draft with the understanding that the city, through both its planning staff and development
services and other commissions and bodies, will pay appropriate attention to the environmental and cultural
resources in the Quarry Creek area and ensure any housing that is built there is done in an appropriate manner. With
that I would move to adopt or recommend this Housing Element draft be submitted to HCD for their initial review
and comment.
Commission Smith seconded the motion.
VOTE: 2-1
AYES: Boddy and Smith
NOES: Scarpelli
ABSTAIN: None
Ms. Fountain said this was just an action to submit the draft and as I understand, Mr. Scarpelli, your main issue is if
the Quarry Creek or the Buena Vista Creek site is removed, you would generally support the rest of the document.
You just don't support keeping that in as a site for the housing. Is that what I am understanding?
Chairperson Scarpelli answered, that is correct. I also believe that if we reanalyze and work the numbers, I think we
can do it. I recognize that it may be that we are going to put this density in other areas and unbalance certain things,
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but I think the site is so sensitive and irreplaceable that we can't take a chance of even having the possibility that site
could be damaged environmentally.
Commissioner Smith asked, how soon will staff be able to redraft this Housing Element?
Mr. Donnell answered, quite honestly I'm not sure. We have to go back and check the inventory to verify where else
high density development might occur. One reason that Quarry Creek was attractive was because it already is
designated, a portion of it at least, for residential development.
Chairperson Scarpelli said, I understand that, but that is why I am asking people to take another look at it.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Ms. Fountain did not have any announcements or business for the Housing Commission tonight.
CHAIRPERSON'S REPORT
Chairperson Scarpelli does not have a report. But I do want to thank all of you for being here this evening. This is
democracy in action. We need involved citizens to be involved in all of these major issues that affect the lives and
the well-being of all of us. I think we all recognize that we have a wonderful city that we live in. It is well governed
and does pay attention to the citizenry as far as the quality of life that we are all looking for. I think we are proud of
our city, and we can be proud of it because we participate in its government to make sure that government is in fact
doing the will of the people. Again, I thank you so much for being here this evening and I appreciate your patience
in going through this with us.
ADJOURNMENT
By proper motion, the meeting of April 26, 2007, was adjourned at 8:45 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Debbie Fountain
Housing and Redevelopment Director
PATRICIA CRESCENTI
Minutes Clerk
MINUTES ARE ALSO TAPED AND KEPT ON FILE UNTIL THE WRITTEN MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
EXHIBIT 5
Draft Housing Element Update
Issues for Housing Commission Consideration April 26,2007
Submitted by Preserve Calavera
- Has the public been adequately informed?
Draft report availability was not included in public notice- and was not available at Faraday
Planning Counter when requested on April 23. How did anyone have time to review the plan to
make comments on this draft?
- Quarry Creek Site is not available for development for years
It is our understanding that Housing Element projects are supposed to be ready to implement
within a specified time period This land is subject to County required clean-up of one of the
largest toxic contaminations of ground and water in San Diego county. This clean-up is
estimated to take about 2 more years. Furthermore the land is subject to state requirements for
Mine Reclamation. This process is under the jurisdiction of the City of Oceanside. According to
Oceanside city staff, the information required to amend the Reclamation Plan has not been
submitted. Once submitted, the approval process including environmental review, plus the
actual reclamation will take several years. This is not consistent with the state housing time
frame..
- This will not serve the housing needs of this community
Past experience has shown that increasing density in Carlsbad and calling a $ 500k plus condo
affordable housing is a scam. This community needs real low and moderate income housing-
not just more housing choices and vacation homes for the wealthy.
- Quarry Creek is highly controversial-not just in Carlsbad, but in the region-
According to SANDAG staff the Quarry Creek Smart Growth site has generated the most
controversy of any of the 200 sites proposed for "smart growth" hi all of San Diego county. Bad
planning results in controversy.
- Does this meet the spirit of the Growth Management Plan?
The changes made to the Excess Dwelling Units Bank allowed unbuilt units city-wide to be
allocated to any quadrant, provided the total units are within GMP housing unit caps. This
proposal has been carefully crafted to meet the letter of the law, but does it reflect the spirit of
the law and the desires of this community.
- Why have better alternatives been excluded?
Two key principles of smart growth planning are to put housing and jobs together, and to put
density where mere is viable public transit service. The Palomar Airport Road corridor is the
primary focus of employment in North County, and does include opportunities for mixed use,
and residential density increases. The Westfield Mall was on an earlier draft for about 200 units.
Both of these areas are on major regional public transit routes. Both of these areas could be true
"smart growth." There is nothing smart about dense development at Quarry Creek. This is a
throwback to the planning of the 50's.
- How have recent changes in the housing market effected today's choices?
There are several housing developments that have received full entitlements- but which are not
proceeding because of die current housing downturn. This presents an opportunity to rethink the
housing mixes of these projects. This provides an opportunity to better balance the affordable
units throughout the community. Why isnt this being considered?
- Why isnt there more emphasis on infill density increases?
There are currently areas of the city where landowners have submitted preliminary plans to the
city for density increases- downtown, and the barrio. Shouldn't this community planning process
be integrated with the planning for more affordable housing? Natural resources are better
protected by potting more units on land that is already developed.
- Are you creating a future problem neighborhood at Quarry creek?
It is not generally considered to be good community planning to put such a large percentage of
the community's affordable housing into one neighborhood. 600 of the 756 new units proposed
are at Quarry Creek. The Quarry Creek site is currently a toxic clean-up site, is an old mine site,
and is right next to a freeway and the backside of a Walmart What kind of a neighborhood will
tbisbe?
- Where is the offsetting tradeoff for the community?
The developer gets windfall profits when city actions allow density increases. But what do the
residents of this community get- besides more traffic, more congestion, more air pollution, and
the loss of natural areas? Other communities have added very specific requirements for
community betterments- like more parks and open space- to partially offset the community
impacts from such density increases. Why shouldn't Carlsbad include such offsetting benefits as
part of any density increase?
- Is this what the community wants?
In 2002 the residents of Carlsbad passed Measure C— indicating their desire for more natural
open space and trails. After a year long process the Citizen's Open Space Committee prepared a
priority list of those areas they recommended for open space acquisition. The Quarry
Creek/Hanson site was identified as their number 1 priority. Shouldn't all other options be
explored before proceeding with plans that would preclude the ability to preserve this land as
open space?
January - March WINTER 2007 Page 1, Vol. 1 1, No. 1
SMARA cr
OFFICE OF MINE
RECLAMATION
The Quarterly Newsletter of the Department of Conservation, Office of Mine Reclamation
Mine Reclamation -
A Type of Ecological Restoration
Reclamation, restoration, rehabilitation - these "R" words are used
interchangeably to describe a variety of efforts to bring a piece of land
back into a more natural or productive state after it has been damaged
or altered in some way. The Society for Ecological Restoration (SER)
defines ecological restoration as "the process of assisting the
recovery of an ecosystem that has been degraded, damaged, or
destroyed," with the goal of returning all or nearly all of the physical and
ecological processes and biological components of an ecosystem that
are historically native to the site. Rehabilitation is defined as "any
ecologically beneficial treatment short of full restoration." Its goal is to
re-establish some of the physical processes and biological components
of an indigenous ecosystem.
Reclamation is still less ambitious along this spectrum of goals. To
reclaim something is to rescue it from an undesirable condition. The
focus is usually on achieving a self-sustaining vegetative cover to
protect a site from erosion and blend it in with the surroundings.
Generally, reclamation aims at converting land damaged through
resource extraction or poor management to a productive use. Using
native plants for revegetation and mimicking naturally occurring plant
communities help to achieve these goals and bring the damaged land
back to a stable condition.
Mined land reclamation certainly fits into this range of activities,
qualifying it as a type of environmental or ecological restoration,
employing the same principles and practices as (Continued on page 6)
ie this issue:
tRedomation -A Type
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January - March WINTER 2007
ECOLOGICAL RESTORATION (Continued from page 1)
Page 6, Vol. 11, No. I
other types of restoration projects. Removing large quantities of minerals and overburden
disrupts the land surface, temporarily removing the topsoil and vegetative cover, and making the
site susceptible to erosion and further degradation. Ecological processes and species richness
are temporarily lowered.
Ecological Restoration is an exciting field built on the science of ecology and bringing together
many disciplines, such as conservation biology, engineering, hydrology, landscape architecture, and
horticulture. Contractors specializing in ecological restoration are well suited to design, implement,
and maintain mine reclamation projects. Environmental restoration principles and practices are
being applied to a wide variety of
projects in every type of ecosystem on
every continent. The subject is now
taught at many colleges and
universities. For example, the University
of California, Davis offers bachelors and
masters degrees in Restoration Ecology
through its Environmental Horticulture
department.
"Ecological restoration is not only
escalating at an astounding rate,
but also remains the most ecologically
viable and aesthetically appealing
remedy for mending the Earth's
ever-increasing number and scale of
degraded ecosystems." (Falk, et al,
2006).
Mine reclamation should be viewed in
the context of something broader, as an
offshoot of the science and practice of
Restoration Ecology, and as one of
many types of projects aimed at
mitigating and repairing damage to the
land and enhancing biodiversity that is
being implemented all over the State
and around the world.
Revegetation is an important component of any environmental
restoration project. Here, a California Conservation Corps crew
is planting and caging oak trees as mitigation for a pipeline
project. Native grass seed and mulch is being applied to reduce
erosion and blend the site with the surroundings. The same
principles and practices would be used to reclaim a quarry.
Photo by Beth Hendrickson
The following organizations provide websites, publications, and conferences on Ecological
Restoration. You may want to attend the annual SERCAL conference held each October, as
members of the OMR Reclamation Unit have done for many years in order to keep abreast of the
latest trends in the science and practice of restoration. You can see case study examples of a wide
range of restoration projects, including mine reclamation projects all over the state. The 2007
(Continued on next page)
January - March WINTER 2007 Page 7, Vol. 11, No. 1
Participants at SERCAL's 13th Annual
Conference held in October in Santa Barbara
peruse the posters, booths and displays
exhibited by vendors and consultants involved
in environmental restoration.
Photo by Leah G. Miller
conference will be held in San Diego on October 23-25.
Founded in 1987, the Society for Ecological
Restoration International (SER) is an international,
non-profit organization whose mission is to promote
ecological restoration as a means of sustaining the
diversity of life and reestablishing an ecologically
healthy relationship between nature and culture
(for more information, visit www.ser.on3). SERCAL will
hold its annual conference next August 5-10
in San Jose. The 2007 theme will be "Restoration in
a Changing World."
SERCAL was founded in 1991 as the first state chapter
of SER. In 2000, SERCAL elected to separate from
SER and was reorganized as The California Society
for Ecological Restoration, an independent nonprofit,
public benefit corporation. SERCAL no longer has any
organizational or financial affiliation with SER
International (visit www.sercal.org for more information).
Over the years, SERCAL has been strongly dedicated to
the following objectives:
* To advance the science, art, and practice of ecological restoration.
» To educate members and the public on sound scientific strategies and techniques of
protecting, restoring, and monitoring native habitat.
* To develop and promote ethical standards for practitioners in the field of ecological
restoration.
» To facilitate communication among professionals and others with an interest in ecological
restoration.
* To advise and consult with public agencies and appropriate entities regarding the
improvement of standards and criteria for ecological restoration.
Further reading on the subject of Environmental Restoration:
* Environmental Restoration: Science and Strategies for Restoring the Earth. John J. Berger
(ed.) 1990
* Repairing Damaged Wildlands: A Process-Oriented, Landscape-Scale Approach. Steve G.
Whisenant, 1999.
» The Science and Practice of Ecological Restoration. James Aronson (ed.), 2004.
» Foundations of Restoration Ecology. Donald A. Falk, et al., 2006
Lea/7 Gardner Miller
Staff Environmental Scientist
Patricia Crescenti - Fwd: Update to draft Housing plan Page 1
From: Chris DeCerbo
To: Scott Donnell
Date: 04/26/2007 9:41:37 AM
Subject: Fwd: Update to draft Housing plan
>» <vballgee@aol.com> 04/25/07 10:27 PM >»
Housing Commission and Council,
I saw the notice for the Housing Commission meeting. However, the draft Housing Element document
referenced was not available online. How can I know whether the meeting is of interest to me when no
details are provided?
I heard that there was a plan to rezone the Buena Vista Creek Valley for homes in the updated Housing
Element. I am against this. If it is in fact mentioned in this document then I do not think you are
adequately informing the public of such a significant plan change.
Please remove this land from any reference in the document and also consider how you can more
adequately inform the public on significant land use issues, rather than just posting a general meeting
notice with no details. It is too late to inform the public, when it is already a done deal.
best regards,
Dee Ann
Carlsbad
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From: Joan Brubaker <jhbrubaker@yahoo.com>
To: <sdonn@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 04/25/2007 6:56 AM
Subject: Quarry Creek
Scott Donnell, Assistant Planner
The following are my thoughts and opinions on the Quarry Creed project.
To entertain the notion of building housing units in an area so entrenched in history of many generations
of the past is unconscionable. Developing housing at the Rancho Del Oro/hiway 76 area is perhaps
desirable revenue-wise but it would be with utter disregard to natural habitat and the enviornment. The
Quarry Creek and El Salto falls area need to be left in as natural state as is possible without added
development and alteration as some of this area is regarded sacred. Carlsbad has great expanses of
undeveloped land in the eastern sections of the city. May I suggest for city government to adopt a
policy of placing development in some of the eastern areas of their city rather than destroying, altering,
or obliterating an area known as an age-old enviornmental retreat and integral part of nature itself.
Roadways are already in place to most of the areas yet vacant in the eastern sections.
Joan Brubaker
1606 Hackamore Road
Oceanside, CA 92057
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From: "ebaur" <ebaur@smile.ch>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/05/2007 2:49 PM
Subject: Buena Vista Creek Valley
To the Mayor and Council of the City of Oceanside,
The Buena Vista Creek Valley is priceless, once developed, it will be loss forever.
Please do not sacrifice this valley for the sake of more homes, please do not overbuild.
Please listen to the people of Carlsbad and the surrounding area before you send the draft Housing
Element on to the State.
Thank you.
Ellen Baur
From: Katte Bradley <katteb@yahoo.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/28/2007 2:02 PM
Subject: Quarry Creek
June 28, 2007
Dear City Council:
Usually I'm in agreement with the Carlsbad Council's decisions. You all are fine protectors of our city,
Thank you.
Carlsbad is such a lovely community that has involved gracefully from the village I first knew in 1946 as
a 13-year old — mostly thanks to 55 years of forward looking, caring and responsible city goverment.
However, I'm extremely concerned as to your upcoming decisions regarding Buena Vista Creek Valley
and the wonderful El Salto Waterfall. This historic and beautiful area must be protected from
development. After all, this is Carlsbad!
Please review carefully the opinions offered by our city's Open Space Committee, the Housing
Commission, the Historic Preservation Committee and the rest of us who are proud - and privileged - to
live in Carlsbad. It's admirable that providing affordable housing is important to our city protectors. But
surely there are other more appropriate locations. May I help look?
See you all at the City Council meeting July 17. And again, thank you for all you do for Carlsbad and her
citizens.
Sincerely,
Kathleen (Katte) Polhamus Bradley
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From: "Kathy" <beachcomber13@cox.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/15/2007 6:29 PM
Subject: Buena Vista Creek Valley
Dear Mayor and Councilmembers,
Please remove the plan for 600 homes to be built in the Buena Vista Creek Valley from your housing
element. The valley is such an important environmental gem, home and corridor for wildlife. It is
imperative to protect the remaining wildlife corridors in California.
Thank you.
Kathy Christy
760-231-9619
Pat,._ . v... centi-Fwd: NO REZONING in the Buena Vista Creek Valley! Page 1
From: Chris DeCerbo
To: Scott Donnell
Date: 04/26/2007 9:42:04 AM
Subject: Fwd: NO REZONING in the Buena Vista Creek Valley!
>» "p crilly" <corakeel39@hotmail.com> 04/25/07 2:29 PM >»
Dear Mayor Bud Lewis and Senior Planner Chris DeCerbo:
I am writing to urge you to clean up, preserve, and NOT develop 600 units of
affordable housing and yet another strip mall. There are many of us who feel
this way, so you must pay attention to our message and do the job you were
elected to do: to carry out the will of the people for the common good of
all, not for just a few to line their pockets in gold. At the last city
council meeting, there was extensive support to preserve the Valley and to
urge you, the city council, to move ahead in preserving it, and NOT "hold a
workshop" on this issue, which will only give the advantage to the
developers. We know what you are up to.
The Buena Vista Creek valley includes priceless cultural, historical and
natural resources. There are thousands of places where another housing unit
could be added in the city. There is not one other place that includes the
special combination of resources in this valley. The Los Salto waterfall is
a sacred site to Native Americans, and is a treasure for all of North
County.
You must not destroy and encroach upon them any more. It is bad enough that
the Kohl's parking lot goes right up to the falls. This site needs to be
protected, preserved and respected not only in respect to the Native
Americans, but for ourselves, our children, future generations, and even
tourists to come and enjoy. Then, they can go shopping at Walmart. You have
already seen it published in the Carlsbad magazine in December. Will you be
available to explain why the falls were trashed because of the endless
desire to develop and make money? Stop development there.
Furthermore, this community cares about preserving this valley- hundreds of
local residents contributed toward the acquisition of the Sherman property.
Dense development on the other half of the valley will only degrade this
natural land we all just worked to preserve. SHAME ON YOU for trying to
develop this beautiful Buena Vista Creek Valley after all the energy and
money the voters have put into preserving and protecting it.
McMlllin is the same developer who already tried to destroy the waterfall
with the Walmart shopping center. This dense development will also support
the extension of Marron Rd through the Buena Vista Creek Valley. There is
nothing "smart" about destroying one of the few special places we have left.
This dense development right next to the freeway- and between the already
congested roads of El Camino Real and College will only make a bad traffic
situation worse. God knows we do not need another strip mall AND we do not
need to extend Marron Road through there. When your grandchildren ask you
what happened to the Los Altos Falls, will you feel good that you
contributed to making a few people rich and you destroyed them?
We do not want continued degradation of the air land and water from
ashalt/concrete recycling. Do not re-zone the valley to create 350 or more
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affordable housing units or commercial space. This place needs to be cleaned
up and McMlllin has a history of environmental violations. This land will be
tied up for years with toxic clean-up- and reclamation of the old mine site.
The Housing Plan is supposed to include areas available for immediate
development- this land is not.
Regarding traffic, the roads in this area are already a traffic nightmare-
adding 600 housing units and more retail units will only make things worse.
The voters of Carlsbad approved the Growth Management Plan because they want
balanced growth. This will just take all of the unbuilt units from other
projects and crowd them all into one. This complies with the letter of
the law- but certainly not the spriit. Studies have shown that selecting
"smart growth" sites right along a freeway only adds to freeway congestion-
there is nothing smart about that.
We want to see real "smart growth"- with more housing choices, closer to
where people work and that are well served by public transit. This area
does not work as a "smart growth" site. Where is the public transit here?
Again, I urge you to respect the voters work and desires to clean up,
protect, and preserve the Buena Vista Creek Valley, to NOT re-zone it, to
NOT develop it into more affordable housing units or commercial units.
Sincerely,
Peg Crilly
Oceanside Resident
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From: "Vicki Countreman" <cbs3050@roadrunner.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/05/2007 7:26 AM
Subject: Carlsbad Development
It is truly unbelievable that the City of Carlsbad Council members would
vote to destroy older, existing neighborhoods and priceless and sacred open
spaces (eg) The Colony; Buena Vista Creek Valley; and the El Salto waterfall
area..apparently all in the name of development and the almighty $$$$$$$.
Development is (and has been) completely out of control and needs to be
managed responsibly. Who is representing the current and long time citizens
of Carlsbad. Few individuals on the Council seem to care about what we
want. Who is conserving the historical and natural, open spaces for our
children and future generations? It seems that only a very few of our
council persons care enough to take a stand against those other elected
individuals who seem hell bent on destroying our wonderful city.
Since moving here in the late 70's, we have seen Carlsbad turning into
another Orange County city. What a shame and a disaster!!!!
Please..please..make more responsible decisions about the future of our
wonderful city.
Vicki & Bill Countreman
4781 Edinburgh Drive, Carlsbad, CA 92010
(06/19/2007) Council Internet Mailbox - NO to Smartgrowth at Quarry Creek Page 1
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From: "p crilly" <corakeel39@hotmail.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
CC: <corakeel39@Hotmail.com>
Date: 06/19/07 3:22 PM
Subject: NO to Smartgrowth at Quarry Creek
Dear Mayor Lewis and City Council members,
I am writing tourge you to take the Buena Vista Creek Vallley Los Altos
Falls area OFf the list of available sites for development of "Smart Growth"Date fo -
Affordable housing in Carlsbad. It contains a Native American Sacred Site
which many know about, and this needs to be protected. The will of the
people is to preserve the site and not develope it: Thousands of dollars
were raised by your voters and hundreds of hours were volunteered by your
voters to preserve the valley. Please carry out their will. I suggest you
build one less golf course or find other land to put the affordable housing
on. r*
Please take the Buena Vista Creek Los Altos Falls and "Quarry Creek" land
OFF the list ofiavailable space.
Thank you,
Peg Crilly '• •
Oceanside
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From: <russ@schoolhouseservices.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/15/2007 2:54 PM
Subject: Fwd: Quarry Creek Housing Plan
Honorable Council Members:
Please do not support housing development in the Buena Vista Creek Valley To do so would be to largely
negate the recent efforts to preserve the Sherman Property - an important environmental victory that
should be viewed only as a first step in a broader preservation effort. I encourage the Council to make
additional open space preservation in the Buena Vista Creek Valley part of its legacy to Carlsb?;d and the
entire north county region.
As open space, Buena Vista Creek Valley serves not only as a wonderful open space amenity but also as
an important natural filter for Buena Vista Lagoon. The recent sewage spill into the lagoon should remind
all of us of the fragility of this resource and how vigilant we must be in monitoring and maintaining its
health. Development in the Buena Vista Creek Valley would inevitably endanger the lagoon's health and
viability, which will be difficult enough to protect under current conditions.
Without question, the goal of affordable housing is an important one, and the Council must treac it as a
priority. With courage and creativity, this goal can be achieved without compromising open space and
degrading the environment. I urge the Council to consider the extent to which affordable housing goals
can be achieved through infill development and the integration of affordable housing with market-rate
residential development in other areas of the city. I hope the Council will revisit the Housing Element with
these and other alternatives in mind.
Sincerely,
Russ Edward Cunningham
From: "Nancy Contrino" <nancy.contrino@gmail.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/05/2007 10:09 AM
Subject: Save Buena Vista Creek Valley/El Salto Falls
Dear Mayor,
I am deeply concerned that the draft Housing Element proposes to add 600
units of affordable housing at Quarry Creek, in an area now zoned for 123.
These waters give life and spirit to the plants and animals that survive
there today.
Affordable housing is essential to our community but not at the risk
of our irreplaceable
historic and cultural resources, and the regional wildlife corridor.
I would like our City to reconsider this proposal because the Buena Vista
Creek Valley is priceless and can't be replaced.
Please consider removing the 600 excess units from the Buena Vista Creek
Valley (Quarry Creek site) before sending the draft Housing Element on to
the State -don't sacrifice this valley.
Also, please hold neighborhood workshops before making such drastic changes
to the Carlsbad you care about.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Nancy Contrino
From: "Tamara Goldsby" <tgoldsby@ucsd.edu>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/14/2007 12:07 PM
Subject: Save Buena Vista Creek Valley - Don't Develop it!
Dear Mayor & City Council of Carlsbad,
We are shocked, saddened, and angered that you are even considering this
proposed development (600 'affordable housing units') on half of the Buena
Vista Creek Valley.
This is an area that's vital to wildlife - including migratory birds - and
it helps filter nasty pollution from Buena Vista Creek (which of course
travels into the lagoon and our nearby ocean). Carlsbad is the only San
Diego area coastal city left with open space. We are gravely concerned
that our wildlife will soon have no place to exist.
In addition, Carlsbad's open space areas are a significant reason why its
residents (and future residents) want to live here, as well as attracting
businesses (including high-tech industries).
Please save Carlsbad's open space areas for all of us, and for future
generations.
Sincerely,
Tamara & Michael Goldsby
(Carlsbad residents)
From: "Tamara Goldsby" <tgoldsby@ucsd.edu>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/04/2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Save Buena Vista - No 600 units!
Dear Mayor & City Council of Carlsbad,
It is unfathomable that the beautiful Buena Vista Creek Valley could be
ruined by 600 excess units at the Quarry Creek site. We strongly urge you
to: Remove the 600 units before sending the draft Housing Element on to
the State, and please hold neighborhood workshops so the local residents
can have a say in these important issues.
Please, listen to your conscience, and do the right thing.
Sincerely,
Tamara & Michael Goldsby
Carlsbad residents
Patricia Crescent! - Fwd: Buena Vista Creek Valley/Hanson Site Page 1
From: Chris DeCerbo
To: Scott Donnell
Date: 04/26/2007 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Fwd: Buena Vista Creek Valley/Hanson Site
»> <caluckyme@aol.com> 04/25/07 4:31 AM >»
Chairperson Edward Scarpelli and the Commissioners,
the Buena Vista Creek valley includes priceless cultural, historical and natural resources. There are
thousands of places where another housing unit could be added in the city. There is not one other place
that includes the special combination of resources in this valley.
- the El Salto waterfall is a sacred site to Native Americans, and is a treasure for all of North County
- this community cares about preserving this valley- hundreds of local residents contributed toward
the acquisition of the Sherman property. Dense development on the other half of the valley
will only degrade this natural
land we all just worked to preserve.
- the roads in this area are already a traffic nightmare- adding 600 housing units will only make
things worse.
- this land will be tied up for years with toxic clean-up- and reclamation of the old mine site. The
Housing Plan is supposed to include areas available for immediate development- this land is not.
- the voters of Carlsbad approved the Growth Management Plan because they want balanced
growth. This will just take all of the unbuilt units from other projects and crowd them all into one. This
complies with the letter of the law- but certainly not the spriit.
- studies have shown that selecting "smart growth" sites right along a freeway only adds to freeway
congestion- there is nothing smart about that.
- we want to see real "smart growth"- with more housing choices, closer to where people work and
that are well served by public transit. This area does not work as a "smart growth" site.
The Kessler Family
7781 Falda PI
Carlsbad, CA 92009
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From: <caluckyme@aol.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/14/2007 5:31 AM
Subject: Buena vista creek 'smart growth housing' ?
A few months ago this community helped acquire the Sherman property and saved half of the Buena Vista
Creek Valley as open space. Now the city of Carlsbad is proposing adding 600 affordable housing units to
the other half of the valley- and calling that "Smart Growth." Tuesday nights City Council meeting could be
the first nail in the coffin toward the destruction of this valley.
This half of the valley includes the sacred El Salto waterfall and cultural sites from the early Luiseno
people that lived here 9,000 years ago. This half of the valley includes artesian ponds used to support
ranching and agriculture that existed here before California became a state. This half of the valley
provides foraging and nesting sites for migratory birds. This half of the valley helps filter pollution from
Buena Vista Creek, helping protect the downstream lagoon and our coastal waters.
The City Council will be voting to send their Draft Housing Plan to the state- a plan that now includes 600
affordable housing units at "Quarry Creek".
Is this your vision for protecting the priceless cultural, historical and natural resources of this valley?
The Kessler Family
Carlsbad, CA 92009
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From: "Roger" <rbfox3905@roadrunner.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/02/2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Save Quary Creek
Save Quary Creek.
Roger E. Fox.
From: "Gary & Karen Farmer" <garykarenfarmer@gmail.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/03/2007 1:26 PM
Subject: PRESERVE Buena Vista Creek Valley
TO: The Mayor and Council of Carlsbad,
The Buena Vista Creek Valley is priceless, and can't be replaced.
Please remove the 600 excess units from the Buena Vista Creek Valley (Quarry
Creek site) before sending the draft Housing Element on to the State.
Please don't sacrifice this valley.
Please hold neighborhood workshops before making such drastic changes to the
Carlsbad you care about.
Thank you very much.
Gary and Karen Farmer
3518 Somerset Way
Carlsbad, CA 92010-7014
760-729-7775
garykarenfarmer@gmail.com
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From: <Margaret.Lesinsky@sce.com>
To: <Council@[205.142.109.13]>
Date: 06/14/07 8:32 AM
Subject: CITY OF CARLSBAD | CONTACT US
A visitor to the City of Carlsbad Web site has completed and posted the "Contact Us" form to department,
City Council.
FOR SECURITY REASONS, DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE.
Below, please find the information that was submitted:
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO BUILD HOUSES IN THE BUENA CREEK VALLEY, THIS
IS A SACRED, HISTORICAL, AND CULTURAL SITE, THE WATERFALL IS UNIQUE, WE NEED TO
HAVE PLACES LIKE THIS LEFT ALONE, WE DO NOT NEED MORE HOUSES IN N. COUNTY, PLESE
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE NOT THE DEVELOPERS. WE ARE LOSING FAITH IN OUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS, PLEASE HELP TO RESTORE OUR FAITH AND DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE
PEOPLE, NOT THE DEVELOPERS, THANK YOU.
Margaret Lesinsky
9651 Indian Creek Way Escondido, Ca 92026 S.D.
Margaret.Lesinsky@sce.com
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From: Temujin Matsubara <mauimatsu@sbcglobal.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/14/2007 9:46 AM
Subject: Preserve Carlsbad
To whom it may concern:
I am a long time resident of Carlsbad. My husbands family has been in Carlsbad for four generations. I
am saddened to see our town being over developed. There is a difference between quality and quantity.
Our quality of life is disappearing with the over crowding, high cost of living, traffic and all the other
problems that result from over development. It is not worth it to "pave paradise"! Please preserve
Carlsbad. The power to do that is in your hands.
You can start with the preservation of the Buena Vista Creek and Vally. One of Carlsbad's traits is it's
open hills and space. Many residents don't want that to become a memory like so many other areas that
are now gone. Please preserve down town Carlsbad which is filled with history and culture. Once you
tear down a historic site, it can NEVER be replaced. Please allow our neighborhood children to remain in
their Buena Vista Elementary school, the oldest in Carlsbad. Please take this opportunity to help preserve
this wonderful, culturally rich town. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Sincerely,
Summer and Temujin Matsubara
From: Wesley Marx <wmarx33@sbcglobal.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/13/20073:41 PM
Subject: July 17 Council meeting re draft housing element
To: Mayor Lewis and fellow Council members Hall, Kulchin, Nygaard and Packard
Re: 7/16 Council meeting draft housing element Quarry Creek site
From: Wesley and Judith Marx, 2995 Ocean St. Carlsbad, CA
We support the recommendation by the Citizens Open Space Committee to protect the Buena Vista
Creek Valley and El Salto waterfall. We believe the Committee report amply documents the cultural and
environmental value of this area to the community. We urge the Council to remove the excess 600
affordable housing units in the Quarry Creek site from the draft housing element before submitting this
document to the state.
From: "Sandra" <sandrameador@roadrunner.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/16/2007 6:29 PM
Subject: Quarry Creek
Council Members:
I feel very strongly that the proposed increased units at Quarry Creek would be a serious mistake.
Please help preserve this unique area.
Sincerely,
Sandra Meador
4098 Harbor Drive
Carlsbad
Patricia Crescent! - Fwd: BUENA VISTA CREEK VALLEY & EL SALTO FALLS SITE Page 1
From: Chris DeCerbo
To: Scott Donnell
Date: 04/26/2007 1:05:12 PM
Subject: Fwd: BUENA VISTA CREEK VALLEY & EL SALTO FALLS SITE
>» Kathy McHenry <kathimac@cox.net> 04/26/07 12:38 PM >»
I am writing this letter as a property owner within the City of Carlsbad,
and also as a lifetime resident of San Diego County. I am a
fifth-generation born in Oceanside, and trace my heritage back to the
Spanish land grants thru the Marron family.
It is very distressing to think the City of Carlsbad is considering rezoning
38.5 acres of this pristine valley in order to satisfy their affordable
housing quota!
The extension of Marron Road should be scuttled forever in order to preserve
this beautiful valley. Traffic in the area of Vista Way/College Boulevard
and El Camino Real is already a disaster, and is often gridlocked.
My family and I actively supported the Sherman Acquisition recently in order
to preserve part of our heritage to those that come after us.
Please pass this letter along to the Chairman of the Housing Commission and
the Mayor and City Council.
Katherine Bussey McHenry
From: "Chuck McDonell" <chuck.mcdonell@cox.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/19/2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Quarry Creek is wrong place to Develop
I've been a resident of the area since 1982 and have seen our open space
disappear at an alarming rate. Here are my reasons why you should not
develop further at Quarry Creek:
* It's a logical area to be preserved as Open Space
* The Open Space is needed for the general health and property values
of area residents
* It's a sacred area to our earliest residents
* . Wildlife need the space and we need them
* The area will become a flood plane during unusually wet years
* The area is in the path of water should the dam burst during an
earthquake
* The area has a major fault line that roughly parallels College Blvd
* The Sherman Property was only the first step in preserving the land
and more time needs to be given to those trying to save the rest of the
area.
Thank you for your consideration.
Chuck McDonell
2613 Fire Mountain Drive
Oceanside, CA 92054
760.754.6708
From: Bruce Meyer <mtnest2004@sbcglobal.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/18/2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Quarry Creek - Approve ONLY 123 housing units
Dear Mayor Lewis and Council Members Hall, Kulchin, Nygaard & Packard:
In April the city of Carlsbad Housing Commission sent the draft housing plan back to staff - directing
them to remove the 600 additional affordable units they proposed at Quarry Creek. Now, we have been
informed that - to put it simply - staff decided to ignore the Housing Commission- and are sending this
plan forward to the Council and from there to the state. Quarry Creek (Hanson Aggregates property) is
zoned for 123 housing units- not 600. Please do NOT use units from the city wide "excess dwelling unit
bank" and put them into this, valley. It is not fair for our section of Carlsbad to have more affordable
housing units than La Costa, Aviara, Bressi Ranch, etc.
Staff will probably tell you "this is just a draft" and "there will be lots of opportunities to fix it" but
realistically, if you are honest with yourself, you know that this unfair addition of units wont be fixed. To my
knowledge, Staff has not held a community workshop on this in over two years. When the workshop was
held in May 2005 the plan did not even say where they were proposing to put these excess units.
I urge you to put the residents of Carlsbad - those of us who live here - first and foremost in your hearts
and minds. Please don't bow to the pressures and enticing revenues developers dangle before your eyes.
Do the right thing for those of us who live here now. Do the right thing for the waterfall and valley. Stop
the raping and development of our town. Alert Staff to their "oversight" and have them go back to the plan
for 123 housing units.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Sandi & Bruce Meyer
4775 Brookwood Court
From: <kmerrill@cts.com>
To: <Council@[205.142.109.13]>
Date: 06/17/2007 12:33 PM
Subject: CITY OF CARLSBAD | CONTACT US
A visitor to the City of Carlsbad Web site has completed and posted the "Contact Us" form to department,
City Council.
FOR SECURITY REASONS, DO NOT CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE.
Below, please find the information that was submitted:
Dear Mayor and Council
Regarding the draft Housing Element to be heard this week, I am urging you to send it back to staff for
more review and input by the public. The recommendation of your Housing Commission to remove the
Quarry site has been ignored. There is huge public support to preserve the entire Buena Vista Creek
Valley, an irreplaceable resource. There is everything to gain and so much to lose if the draft is submitted
as is.
Thank you, •'•
Karen Merrill .f;
Karen Merrill ^
6901 Quail Place, Unit C Carlsbad, CA 92009
kmerrill@cts.com
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Council Internet Mailbox - Calavera and Quarry Creek
From: "Donald Miller" <dtmillermd@gmail.com>
To: <mesco@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>, <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>, <rcp@sandag.org>
Date: 07/17/2007 11:57 AM
Subject: Calavera and Quarry Creek
CC: "Donald Miller" <dtmillermd@gmail.com>, "amy miller" <artmomamy@gmail.com>
Dear Planning Director Marcela Escobar-Eck, Mayor Lewis and Carlsabd City Council Members and Mr. Bob Leitner,
Project Manager at SANDAG,
Please be true to the will of the people and the proceedings of the city of Carlsbad and do not proceed with further distraction
of the Buena Vista Creek area.
Please remove the Quarry Creek site from the list for development of high-density housing in the Buena Vista Creek
Valley. This is the site of the sacred El Salto waterfall, irreplaceable historic and cultural resources, and the regional wildlife
corridor. This valley is the top priority concern for acquisition of open space by the federal and state wildlife agencies. The
Quarry property was
listed #1 (the most important) on the list of acquisitions recommended bythe Carlsbad Citizen's Open Space
Committee. With this up zoned development
at the Quarry will come Marron Rd. - the death blow to this wonderful valley. I enjoy the creek and open space, and enjoy
jogging and exploring in this area. This decision has
has tremendous impacts on the downstream Buena Vista lagoon and our coast. This is an area that should have little or no
development- and not one that should be targeted for density increases. There is nothing "smart" about destroying this valley .
Please enter this email into the public record and make it available for all the council members for tonights meeting.
Don't think that just because this area does not current border on somebody's back yard, that it is not of great concern to our
residents. How nice it is to have the area about Lake Calavera to enjoy — why not extend this to meet the lagoon and creek
that heads west. I think that there are those who feel they can "slip" this change in because it is no in one of the high-priced
areas of Carlsbad and not next to an existing neighborhood.
Please don't.
Don't let the developers dictate environmental policy to you.
I have nothing against low-income, high density housing. It can add greatly to our city and provide a place for peole to live
and work in the community.
This one area has great potential for preservation.
What do you want to leave for your kids and grandkids?
Donald T. Miller, MD
4610 Trieste Drive
Carlsbad, CA 92010
760-729-3832
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From: "D J Moore" <djsooner@mindspring.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/23/2007 3:44 PM
Subject: Smart growth plan
Please remove the Quarry Creek site from your "smart growth" plan. This
would create a "town center" in the Buena Vista creek valley- site of the
sacred El Salto waterfall, irreplaceable historic and cultural resources,
and the regional wildlife corridor.
Your consideration is this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Carlsbad Resident
D. J. Moore
2319Pio Pico
92008
From: "PMorisoli" <PMorisoli@sbcglobal.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/28/2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Quarry Creek development
I feel very strongly about the proposed development of 600 additional units at Quarry Creek. I moved here
to this area in 1971 and have seen so very, very much developement. Having lived in the Monterey &
Santa Barbara areas for many years, I experienced the rapid development of those lovely areas. Every
piece of land was jumped on by a builder. They moved across open land like wild fire. I saw this in
Monterey, Seaside, Carmel, Santa Barbara and continue on south. I know, because I was in real estate,
and I was familiar with the builders names. The problems we are seeing now spawned out of the 1960's
market. The interest jumped to 9% and more. I saw Savings & Loan Associations close as well as
merging with other S & L's. Foreclosures started in Texas and moved around to different states. The
exact same thing happening back then is happening now. Banks having to rewrite loans or take property
back. No one wins in these situations. The borrower is put in a bad bracket for his financial future and
the banks are cast in a bad light for making these loans. You cannot put the entire problem on the
Mortgage Loan broker. Mortgage Loan brokers are just an extention of the banks, all doing the same
thing. The public needs to understand the way money works. The most important two words to learn in
life are PRINCIPAL & INTEREST. It is wrong to keep building dwellings in every square foot of our land.
Especially in a populated area like Carlsbad. Have we forgotten the word GREEN HOUSE EFFECT and
POLUTION? Please take a second and third look at the proposed
development of 600 units at the Quarry Creek area. The existing 123 unit proposal is way too much at
that. Thank you. Pauline Hendren Morisoli
From: "Gregory, Nancy@EDD" <NGregory@edd.ca.gov>
To: '"council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us'" <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/27/2007 4:45 PM
Subject: El Salto Waterfall
Please save El Salto waterfall a parcel with such significance and beauty
should be saved we have enough growth lets get a balance. We have few
sacred and beautiful places left. How much growth do we need? Do the right
thing.
Nancy Gregory
760414-3515
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Council Internet Mailbox - Re: Buena Vista Creek Valley/El Salto Waterfall/ Draft Housing Plan
From: "Bob Rail" <bobrall@cox.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/14/07 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Buena Vista Creek Valley/El Salto Waterfall/ Draft Housing Plan
Hello kind Council Members,
Preserve Calvera informed me that Carlsbad is now proposing a Draft Housing Plan to allow construction of 600
affordable housing units to be built in the Buena Vista Creek Valley.
The information I received indicated that the area in consideration includes the El Salto waterfall and cultural sites
from the early Luiseno people that lived here 9,000 years ago. This location also, it was communicated, includes
artesian ponds used to support ranching and agriculture that existed here before California became a state. The
valley further serves to help filter the ever-increasing pollution from Buena Vista Creek, helping protect the
downstream lagoon and our coastal waters - both of which are of great personal concern.
We have ever fewer cultural, historical and natural resources in this area. Over the past 20 years I have watched
repeated examples of mitigation measures which ultimately failed. One that comes to mind is the "Gnatcatcher
Preserve" along the intended future Cannon Road extension. Of all projects, why would the City even consider
replacing these irreplaceable resources with affordable housing units?
A friend recently moved here from out of the area. She was trying to put a finger on what it was she didn't like about
the growth in this area. When it occurred to her and she mentioned it, I had to agree: There's very little soul.
This would be a much more appropriate place for a preserve. Think about that. When it's gone it's gone.
I appreciate your giving this some more careful consideration.
Sincerely,
Bob Rail
(760)945-3321
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From: "Ken and Juliet Schmitt" <cbschmitts@roadrunner.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/17/2007 9:49 AM
Subject: City Council Meeting 7.17.07
City Clerk, City Council, and Mayor Bud Lewis,
Please ensure that this letter is received by the City Council, the Mayor,
and placed in the public record for the City Council Meeting on the Housing
Element on 7.17.07.
As a resident of Carlsbad for over 14"'years (and San Diego County native) I
am writing to plead with you to save Quarry Creek for the natural and
historical integrity of our city. The rest of the Buena Vista Creek Valley
should be preserved through purchase to remain as op«n space. It can be
transformed, with a great deal of public support and volunteering, into a
biking and walking area to allow for the enjoyment of our natural,
historical and cultural habitat.
Please remove the excess 600 units from the Quarry Creek Housing Element
draft before it is sent to the state. I personally am not concerned about
"low income" housing being placed rieW my home, I am concerned about the
loss of open space of historical, cultural and natural value. The city's
need to add low income housing is understood, but the space for it should
not come from precious natural space from which our children can learn and
connect to our cultural history. One suggestion about converting the old
Robinson's/May store at the mall into condominium units is a valid and
useful idea. Why take nature to build when we have unused "built" space
which can be converted without loss of nature's beauty?
Thank you for your concern for the residents of our fantastic city and for
fighting for our need to retain open space of this value.
Sincerely,
Juliet and Ken Schmitt
Hastings Drive
From: Valerie Sanfilippo <sanfiv@yahoo.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/03/2007 1:36 PM
Subject: Save Quarry Creek
The Buena Vista Creek Valley, with its sacred El Salto Waterfall, is a priceless natural and historic
resource. Let's take action NOW to save it. Here's what we can do:
Call or Email Carlsbad City Council: (760) 434-2830, council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us
Tell them:
— The Buena Vista Creek Valley is priceless - can't be replaced.
- Thousands of houses for sale are unsold, sitting on a virtually comatose market.
— Hold neighborhood workshops and let Carlsbad know what you are planning.
- Do the right thing and remove the 600 excess units from the Quarry Creed site before sending the draft
Housing Element on to the State.
Ms. Valerie Sanfilippo (Medical-Legal Transcriber)
(SEIU, Sierra Club, Moveon)
3246 Ashford St. #M, San Diego CA 92111
858-715-1849, sanfiv@yahoo.com
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From: <Scrambledtofumax@aol.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/04/2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Buena Vista Creek
While human development is financially quantifiable, the Buena Vista Creek
Valley is not.
Any action to develop it would be short-sighted, as there are enough houses
in Carlsbad, and not nearly enough open spaces. The latter is much more
valuable, and the notion that we can afford to sacrifice more is ridiculous.
-M.B.
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From: "Noralee Sherwood" <noralee.sherwood@gmail.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/14/07 4:36 PM
Subject: Destruction of El Salto Valley
Dear Mayor and Council Members,
As a resident who gave over $500. towards the preservation of the
Sherman property I can not believe yow would consider permitting 800
low income, or any income for that matter, houses in this valley. This
piece of property preforms the critical function of filtering water
that goes in the lagoon and provides habitat for many endangered
birds. Please do not allow this environmentally crucial parcel to fall
to developers and their greed. There surely must be a better place for
these low income, low tax based structures.Sincerely, Noralee Sherwood
From: molly truelove <enchantedfarie@sbcglobal.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/05/2007 8:12 PM
Subject: Quarry Creek Development
Dear City Clerk,
Today when I came home from work there was a brightly colored letter in the door jam of my front door.
In my fury of walking through the door, I started reading the letter. It was from the Preserve Calevera
association talking about the extention of Marron Road and the proposed 600 units of affordable housing.
As I read through the letter more the association kept talking about the proposed affordable housing
project in a way that was very offensive to me!! (Some quoted phrases from the letter) They used phrases
"Lets not create a future slum in the Buena Vista Valley just because its next to O'side" "MORE
DEVELOPMENT IN CARLSBAD, 5X the density of low income housing in YOUR backyard" also most
statments having to do with affordable housing were in bold typeface or in all capital letters so they stood
out.
Those phrases really upset me, both my mother and myself are residents of your affordable housing
program. We live in the newly bult Marbella complex on Marron Road. Before we lived in a one bedroom
one bathroom apartment in downtown because it was all we could afford. It was a long uphill battle getting
into the city's affordable program, and the juice was worth the squeeze. With housing and living expenses
in this citty getting so expensive, why deprive a struggling family of an affordable place to live!! Theese
enviromentalists have no right sending around a letter/flyer in a suburban neighborhood dening a
proposed affordable project extention. Little did they know that they placed a flyer on an affordable
housing unit, with a very offended pair of residents!
I would have expressed my opinion at the upcomming City Council meeting, but unfortunately I will be
working and so will the other member of my household.
Sincerly,
Molly Truelove
From: Loni Todoroki <todoloni@yahoo.com>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/04/2007 1:46 PM
Subject: Buena Vista Creek Valley
Dear City Council,
You cannot bring back, but you can decide to place lower socioeconomic housing in a different location
than the Buena Vista Creek area or are you into "Take Paradise and put up a parking lot?" Please
remove the 600 excess housing...
I still recall the "lower Socioec housing being put in at El Camino and Calsbad Village Drive starting was
it? at only $250,000! but when they were completed, they sold for $550,000+!
Gee, that sure was for people in the lower economic range wasn't it? Even from the beginning! or are
we that removed from what lower socioeconomic means?
So, I have 2 beefs. (1) If you plan on building for lower socio, then it should be so! Not to just give a
developer his foot in the door to make $$$$$$!!!!!!!!! And(2) you do not need to use area that is
irreplaceable in terms of natural habitat!!!!! Land is at a premium, so take some of that unused and
unrented commercially built area and has been for years( industrial park,etc.) out and convert it into
housing that the lower socioeconomic can afford.... and oh, yeah! Make it as nice as where you would
want to live ....I am sure if the Marriot is over there then we can find some way to allow some commercial
conversion of unused buildings into residential. Even if we need to change some city ordinances. And to
know you were going to allow another industrial park and took out part or all of the oldest riparian oak
trees in southern California or has it proceeded? I heard the state water useage laws - 20 year guarantee-
put that under....but after the Oak trees
were destroyed!!!!! Please do not make the same mistake!!!!
....Or are people still too busy getting tax write-offs on empty buildings that serve noone except for that
explicit purpose? You must sure think your citizens ignorant...but, perhaps we are as I did not know
about the tax write offs until after the Oak Riparian habitat was endangered myself.
Please think, there are many alternatives to this area! Ask your citizens!!!!! Are you not working for all of
us? Workshops are needed to educate. And to hear all sides.
Loni Todoroki
3550 Trieste, Carlsbad, Ca
1711 Salinas Drive, Las Cruces, NM
Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
From: Victor Waters <thewaters903@sbcglobal.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 07/17/2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Propsed Housing Plan for Quarry Creek in Marron Canyon
Attention; Mayor Bud Lewis and Council Members Hall, Kulchin, Nygaard and Packard
My name is Victor Waters and I am a Marron decendent. I grew up in Carlsbad in Marron Canyon on my
grandparents ranch very near the El Salto waterfall.
I am writing this to implore you to modify the housing plan and remove the proposed housing at Quarry
Creek. Besides being emotionally attached to this canyon, I feel that there has been plenty of
development in our north county area, and the last thing we need is another housing development in this
valley. If we precede on our present course there won't be an open hillside left anywhere. With the racent
acquistion of the Sherman property, we saved half the Buena Vista Creek Valley. We now have the
opportunity to keep the whole valley as a sliver of open area that includes the upper half of the Marron
Canyon and the El Salto waterfall for future generations to enjoy. There is very little open space left.
Saving this canyon from becoming just another housing development would be a credit to Carlsbad for
preserving something that is very special to the area.
Please consider the options and exclude the housing units at "Quarry Creek" in order to preserve the
priceless cultural and natural resources of the valley. It is an important part of our history.
Thank you,
Respectfully Yours,
Victor Waters Marron
760-726-1814
From: "Judi Wilson" <ronjudi9@cox.net>
To: <council@ci.carlsbad.ca.us>
Date: 06/17/2007 5:07 PM
Subject: Save Buena Vista Creek Valley/El Salto Falls!
Dear Councilmembers:
A few months ago this community helped acquire the Sherman property and
saved half of the Buena Vista Creek Valley as open space. Now the city of
Carlsbad is proposing adding 600 affordable housing units to the other half
of the valley- and calling that "Smart Growth." Tuesday night's City
Council meeting could be the first nail in the coffin toward the destruction
of this valley.
This half of the valley includes the sacred El Salto waterfall and cultural
sites from the early Luiseno people that lived here 9,000 years ago. This
half of the valley includes artesian ponds used to support ranching and
agriculture that existed here before California became a state. This half
of the valley provides foraging and nesting sites for migratory birds. This
half of the valley helps filter pollution from Buena Vista Creek, helping
protect the downstream lagoon and our coastal waters.
Please fix the housing plan before it goes to the state- by removing the
increased units proposed at Quarry Creek. Those of us who worked so hard to
preserve the Sherman property are devastated by the thought of so much
development just upstream. All of the valley's habitat is co-dependent, and
the flora and fauna of the Sherman property will suffer, as will humanity,
if the other half of the valley is developed in such a thoughtless manner.
Our coastline is in imminent jeopardy from the pollution carried by runoff
in all of the creeks and rivers - don't make it even worse by adding more
people, cars, pets and landscaping!
Ron and Judi Wilson
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Carlsbad goes over the falls
By: North County Times Opinion staff -
Our view: City tempted into sacrificing prime parcel by state, SAN DAG
mandates
There are no free lunches, and there are no Sacramento mandates without
victims. To meet a state quota for affordable housing, the Carlsbad City Council
is expected tonight to approve a plan that would cram 600 new homes onto one
of coastal North County's most promising parcels for preservation
It's not that Carlsbad doesn't have enough money to buy the land. City reserves are still above $60 million, even
as Carlsbad opens its $63 million (plus?) new public golf course and even after the council approved a $28.3
million budget for its long-awaited pool at Alga Norte Park.
But Carlsbad's decades-long boom of McMansions, which helped the city buck the overall county trend of
declining population, hasn't added much in the way of state-sanctioned affordable housing.
Not all properties are created equal, and there are good reasons why so many people prize the South Coast
Quarry site's 150 acres. It sits just south of Highway 78 on Carlsbad's border with Oceanside and just west of the
College Boulevard Wal-Mart, features the historic El Salto waterfall and overlooks the 134-acre Sherman
property, which environmentalists rallied to buy this winter.
But ever since the San Diego Association of Governments identified the quarry site on its "smart growth" wish
list, its days have been numbered. SANDAG has dangled millions in TransNet tax money to cities that play
along. Add the state's demand for "affordable" housing and you have incentives aligned for Carlsbad to pack its
share onto a parcel that could have been so much more.
The path of least resistance for Carlsbad's City Council is clear. The many who anted up to preserve the
Sherman property have bought some great scenery for some 600 of their newest neighbors.
AGENDAITEMtf.
Mayorc:
City Council
City Manager
City Attorney
City Clerk
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Attention; Mayor Bud Lewis and Council Members Hall, Kulchin, Nygaard and
Packard
My name is Victor Waters and I am a Marron decendent. I grew up in Carlsbad in
Marron Canyon on my grandparents ranch very near the El Salto waterfall.
I am writing this to implore you to modify the housing plan and remove the proposed
housing at Quarry Creek. Besides being emotionally attached to this canyon, I feel that
there has been plenty of development in our north county area, and the last thing we
need is another housing development in this valley. If we procede on our present course
there won't be an open hillside left anywhere. With the recent acquistion of the
Sherman property, we saved half the Buena Vista Creek Valley. We now have the
opportunity to keep the whole valley as a sliver of open area that includes the upper half
of the Marron Canyon and the El Salto waterfall for future generations to enjoy. There
is very little open space left. Saving this canyon from becoming just another housing
development would be a credit to Carlsbad for preserving something that is very special
to the area.
Please consider the options and exclude the housing units at "Quarry Creek" in order to
preserve the priceless cultural and natural resources of the valley. It is an important part
of our history.
Thank you,
Respectfully Yours,
Victor Waters Marron
760-726-1814
7-17-07
City of Carlsbad
The City Council will consider a department
report on
Carlsbad's draft Housing Element
WHEN:
WHERE:
WHAT:
Tuesday, June 19, 2007, at 6:00 P.M.
Carlsbad Council Chambers
Carlsbad City Hall
1200 Carlsbad Village Drive
The City of Carlsbad is updating its General Plan
Housing Element. The General Plan is the City's long
range planning document. The update evaluates the
effectiveness of the current Housing Element,
identifies Carlsbad's current and future housing
needs, and presents goals, policies, and programs to
meet those needs through 2010.
The City Council will consider supporting city staff's plans to submit the
draft Housing Element to the state Department of Housing and
Community Development for initial review and feedback.
No action to approve the draft Housing Element will occur at this
meeting. There will be future public hearings on the Housing Element.
A copy of the draft Housing Element is available at the City's libraries
and at the Faraday Center. It is also available on the City's website at
http://www.carlsbadca.gov/pdfdoc.html?pid=528
If you have any further questions regarding the meeting, please contact Scott Donnell,
Senior Planner, at (760) 602-4618 or sdonn@ci.carlsbad.ca.us.
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CARLSBAD CA 92009
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4699 MURPHY CANYON ROAD
SAN DIEGO, CA 92123-4320
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2020 CHESTNUT AVE
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SAN DIEGO CA 92115
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VISTA CA 92084
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OCEANSIDE CA 92057
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VISTA CA 92081
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CITY OF CARLSBAD 2005-2010 HOUSING ELEMENTCITY COUNCIL MEETINGJuly 17, 2007
Tonight’s Meeting PurposeSeek Council support to submit drafthousing element to HCD The meeting will notresult in approval of:The housing elementAny land use changes or new programs There will be other public hearings and comment opportunities
State Housing Element Law Gov’t Code 65580(a) – “The availability of housing is a matter of vital statewide importance, and that the early attainment of decent housing and a suitable living environment for every Californian is a priority of the highest order.” Gov’t Code 65302 (c) – “Every city in the state is required to adopt a housing element as part of its general plan.”
State Housing Element Law This mandate helps to ensure that counties and cities recognize their responsibilities in contributing to the attainment of the state housing goal by planning for future housing needs of all income levels. Gov’t Code 65584 – Establishes the regional housing needs allocation (RHNA)process to determine the existing and projected housing needs during the planning period for each jurisdiction.
State Housing Element Law State Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD) and the San Diego Association of Governments (SANDAG) determine the housing needs for the San Diego region. SANDAG determines each cities fair share of this regional housing need.
Housing Element Overview State law requires updated housing elements every 5 years Current housing cycle is for 2005-2010 Public hearings are required for Housing Element adoption
What is the Housing Element? Assess both current and future housing needs Identify constraints and opportunities for meeting those needs Provide City housing programs to meet those needs
2005-2010 Draft Housing Element Most City housing programs in this drafthousing element are carried forward from the previous housing element New program per state law includes:Provide adequate sites to meet RHNA
RHNA The Regional Housing Needs Allocation (RHNA) is based on growth projections City of Carlsbad’s RHNA is 8,376 units:Very Low Income: 1,922 units (23.0%)Low Income:1,460 units (17.4%)Moderate Income: 1,583 units (18.9%)Above Moderate Income: 3,411 units (40.7%)
RHNA The City must identify adequate sites at appropriate densities to meet RHNA Required density minimums:Moderate Income – 12 du/ac (RMH)Lower Income – 20 du/ac (RH)
Progress in Meeting RHNA Carlsbad continues to make great strides in housingSince 2003:900 lower income units built370 moderate income units built Despite progress, still need to accommodate 3,500+ lower and moderate income units Based on current General Plan/zoning, the City does nothave adequate sites at appropriate densities to meet RHNA
Proposal to Meet RHNA To meet RHNA, proposed are programs to:Redesignate properties throughout cityDevelop a shopping center mixed use zoneIncrease some minimum densities These programs are identified in the housing element and subsequently will require substantial public review prior to implementation
Proposed Re-designated Sites RH (20 du/ac):Canyon View – 377 units (17.7 acres)MAG – 120 units (6 acres)Ponto – 128 units (6.4 acres)Quarry Creek – 350 units (17.5 acres) RH Mixed Use:MAG – 14 units (1 acre)Ponto – 28 units (2.8 acres)Shopping Centers – 377 unitsVillage Redevelopment Area – 650 units (77.6 acres)
Proposed Re-designated Sites RMH (12 du/ac):Canyon View – 30 units (2.6 acres)Quarry Creek – 250 units (21 acres)
Meeting RHNAAdequacy of Sites in Meeting Remaining RHNASitesLower IncomeModerate IncomeAbove Moderate IncomeTotalResidential Sites1,9845741,9684,526Mixed Use Sites1,069001,069Second Units800080Total3,1335741,9685,675RHNA Remaining 2,3551,211---3,566Difference+778-637+1,968+2,109
Proposed Re-designated Sites Distributed throughout all 4 City quadrantsNW – 650NE – 600SW – 435SE – 134
Quarry Creek Site Large property (161acres) Significantly disturbed by quarry (50 acres) Convenient to transportation and shopping Preservation of resources (Buena Vista Creek and El Salto Falls) is recognized Portion of property currently has residential (RLM) designation (117 acres) Remainder of property (44 acres) designated Open Space Housing Element Program - 38.5 acres (24% ) of 161 acre property proposed for re-designation to higher density
Overview of eastern portion of site from Vista WayOverview of eastern portion of site from Vista Way
Overview of central portion of site from Vista WayOverview of central portion of site from Vista Way
View looking northerly into site from atop south slopeView looking northerly into site from atop south slope
View from south during placement of bioView from south during placement of bio--piles (2006)piles (2006)
View from northern edge of creek looking upstream towards fallsView from northern edge of creek looking upstream towards falls
El Salto Falls El Salto Falls ––photo taken in creek during typical flow conditionsphoto taken in creek during typical flow conditions
Next Steps With Council approval, submit Draft Housing Element for HCD review (60-days) Respond to HCD comments and second HCD review CEQA preparation and public review
Next Steps (cont’d) Hold adoption hearings with Housing Commission, Planning Commission and City Council Obtain “certification” of the Element by the State (90-days) Hold additional hearings to carry out programs
Certified Housing Element If HCD certifies that the housing element conforms with state law, the statute creates a rebuttablepresumption of the element’s validity in any subsequent litigation challenging the element.
Invalid Housing Element Consequences A court may suspend the authority of the city to issue building permits, map approvals or other discretionary approvals until the city revises its housing element to conform to state law. City would be ineligible for discretionary funding.
Housing Element/Discretionary Funding FederalTransportation Enhancements $19.1 M 2006-2010Pilot Smart Growth Program $6.4 M 2010-2011 StateTransportation Development Act $2.5 M 2007Non-motorized Program LocalTransnet Bicycle Program $3 M 2006-2008Transnet Bicycle, Pedestrian and Neighborhood Safety Program $280 M 2009-2048Transnet Smart Growth Program $285 M 2009-2048Transnet Senior Transportation Program $73 M 2009-2048
Buena Vista Creek ValleyBuena Vista Creek ValleyA priceless treasureA priceless treasureNo place for 600 more homesNo place for 600 more homes
Sandi HolderSandi HolderJuly 7, 2006July 7, 2006North County TimesNorth County Times““We are going to do We are going to do everything we can.everything we can.””Holder Holder said. said. ““We realize this is a We realize this is a sacred location.sacred location.””
Mayor LewisMayor LewisMay 18, 2006May 18, 2006North County TimesNorth County Times““Lewis said the council has been Lewis said the council has been firm in demanding that every firm in demanding that every neighborhood receive its fair neighborhood receive its fair share of affordable housing share of affordable housing instead of clustering them in one instead of clustering them in one area.area.””
Alternatives to destroying this Alternatives to destroying this valley :valley :Just say Just say ““nono””Reduce units by 250 ( min Reduce units by 250 ( min reqreq))Increase height where it worksIncrease height where it worksAllow a few areas at 30Allow a few areas at 30--40 units/acre40 units/acreCoordinate with other citiesCoordinate with other cities