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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008-02-04; Parks & Recreation Commission; 0208-8; SkatePark Subcommittee reportPARKS & RECREATION AB# 0208-8 MTG. DATE: | 2/4/08 STAFF: | STEYAERT SKATEPARK COMMISSION - AGENDA BILL SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT D INFO \X\ ACTION RECOMMENDED ACTION : Receive staff report and Skate Park Subcommittee comments and make a recommendation to the City Council as to an appropriate site(s) for a skate park facility. ITEM EXPLANATION : At the October 15, 2007, staff presented the Skate Park Sub-Committee's (SPSC) initial recommendation for the "Reservoir site" as the first choice and Hosp Grove at the northeast corner of Monroe and Marron as the second choice. Upon deliberation, the Parks and Recreation Commission voted to "accept and file" staff's report. There was discussion to involve some industry experts to look at the different sites for further justification as to the best site to recommend. On November 1, 2007, staff and Commissioner Hubbard of the SPSC visited 3 sites (Reservior, Hosp Grove, and Pine) with Mikki Vuckovich, Executive Director of the Tony Hawk Foundation and Brian Moore and Kanten Russell of Site Design Group (designers of the Alga Norte Park skate park). Notes related to the site visits are attached in Exhibit 1. All 3 sites had pros and cons but were generally considered potentially viable locations. On January 15, 2008, the SPSC met with staff to further discuss recommendations. There seemed to be a desire to further consider the Pine Ave. Park site (along Madison St.). Knowing the history of concern amongst the adjacent neighbors to construction of any use other than what came out of the January 2006 design workshop for that site (refer to minutes, Exhibit 2), Commission Hubbard agreed to speak with City Council and former Commissioner Pacheco to get their thoughts on a skate park at that location. The response was negative which has led the SPSC to abandon the Pine Park location as an option. In lieu of the Pine Park site, the SPSC decided to take a closer look at the "Fire Station" site at Calavera Hills Park. The site is no longer needed as a fire station location. Recent measurements of the property revealed more acreage available than previously thought. There appears to be between 16,000 and 20,000 square feet available (the Safety Center Skate Park is approximately 11,500 square feet). The pros of this site are 1) it's location adjacent to a park, 2) available infrastructure and parking (contingent upon the Planning Commission deeming that a joint use of the parking lot is viabfe), and 3) it's corner location. Cons are that is may be less accessible to mass transit as well as its close proximity to the new homes across the street. The SPSC is recommending the following sites be considered: 1. Hosp Grove (Exhibit 3) 2. Reservoir (Exhibit 4) 3. Calavera Hills Park Fire Station site (abandoned as a Fire Station site) (Exhibit 5) AB #0208-8 Page 2 Staff feels that the best way to approach moving forward would be to make recommendations on one or all of these sites and have staff present these to Council. After Council's input, and if Council concurs, further studies, including concept designs to see how these sites would actually lay-out and preliminary environmental and cost evaluations would be undertaken to determine the best location. Finally, as directed by Council, staff is analyzing the cost of expanding the Safety Center Skate Park and the time-line for the "First Responders Training Facility" and Public Works Center projects. Staff will bring this information back to Council along with the Park and Recreation Commission's recommendation for a new site. EXHIBITS: 1. Notes from site visits 2. Minutes from the 10/17/05 meeting on Pine Avenue Community Park Master Plan Revision 3. Hosp Grove site 4. Reservoir site 5. Fire Station site EXHIBIT 1 "CARLSBAD SKATE PARK #3" "Carlsbad #3"Skate Park Development SITE REVIEW MEETING design group, inc. DATE: 11-1-07 TME: 10:30 AM -11:15 PM PRESENT AT MEETING: MIKI VUCKOVICH (THF), MARLAINE HUBBARD (Cnr), MARK STEYAERT (CITY), BRIAN MOORE (SDG), K ANTEN RUSSELL (SDG) LOCATION: 1200 CARLSBAD VILLAGE DRIVE, CARLSBAD, CA 92008-1989 MEETING NOTES SITE #1 "Water Reservoir" Lights may be a problem near residential Would try to preserve some of the reservoir walls Open up the reservoir walls near the entrance Looked to be over 30,000 sq ft (skate park area only) Spectator seating along the upper sections of the reservoir walls Possibly add a tot lot and a dog park Parking could be added to the right of the entrance of the park No real accessibility from public transportation SITE n "Hosp Grove Park" Located at an existing walking trail park Near Westfield Shopping Mall Good accessibility for public transportation Food and drink are within walking distance Stop light with crosswalk is available Nice open area so the size could be dictated by budget Good future phasing opportunity There are a lot of different grades which could be incorporated into the design SITE #3 "Pine Park" • Existing park has a senior center, tot lots, baseball field, soccer field, plenty of parking, portable restrooms, and lights • Flat level site • Appears to be around 25,000 sq ft (skate park area only) r • Local residents have rejected the idea of having a skate park in the past Reported By. Brian Moore Director Site Design Group, Inc 2734 Loker Avenue West, Suite H Carlsbad, CA 92010 (760) 918-1701-ph (760) 918-1702-fic www.sitedesigngoup.com EXHIBIT 1 (CONT.) From: Marlaine Hubbard <marlainehubbard@yahoo.com> To: Mark Steyaert <MStey@ci.carlsbad.ca.us> Date: 11/4/2007 12:15 PM Subject: Skate park venues review with Brian Moore(Site Design Group) and Miki Vuckovich(Executive Director Tony Hawk Foundation) Hi Mark, Add these to your pros and cons on each site from your last power point presentation. This is what I heard Brian and Miki saying: RESERVOIR SITE *could open North end to improve visibility *recommended 1/2 to be filled to create 2 levels hi bottom of reservoir *need to take out portion of bottom to create bowls *need to add tot lot and dog run for additional uses to draw diverse activites *need to lock off West narrow strip hidden by trees ""concerns about policing "expense could be higher than new construction "did NOT recommend modulars that only have a 5-10 year life and require higher maintenance HOSP GROVE SITE *more creative site and would be excellent promotion of sport at key intersection "could build split level, start at top with bowls for more advanced *use fill for lower areas "plenty of space near parking, far away from lower wetlands "excellent accessability "excellent visibility "great draw being close to shopping and restaurants PINE PARK SITE "first choice because of infastructure in place and synergy from being included into an existing park which is heavily used "excellent visibility "excellent accessibilty "plenty of parking "mainstreams sport with ball fields/basketball/senior center "sound concerns could be compared to freeway readings, and ball games "neighborhood concerns were more phantom and could be dispelled with education EXHIBIT 2 Parks and Recreation Commission -3- October 17,2005 DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS 3. AB #1005-3 NAMING OF DOG PARK AMENITY AT HIDDEN CANYON COMMUNITY PARK Ken Price, Recreation Director, explained that the City Council received a request to name the Dog Park facility at Hidden Canyon Community Park in memory of Ann D. L'Heureux. He added that after consideration, the City Council, in accordance with Council Policy #48, directed that the Parks and Recreation Commission to consider the request. He added that Mrs. L'Heureux was the person who made the dog park a reality as well as a person who worked hard to make the community stronger. He reviewed some of the criteria of Council Policy #48 and described how Mrs. L'Heureux played a significant role in the community. Hap L'Heureux, 1731 Calavo Court, Carlsbad, explained that one of his wife's goals was to have a dog park in the quadrant. He said she made of list of other locations where a dog park could be included. He asked the Parks and Recreation Commission to keep the concept alive as it was well received in the community. Mr. L'Heureux ended by thanking the Commission for the honor on behalf of his wife and requested that the park be named in her honor. Chairman Comstock asked staff to find the original letter in which Mrs. L'Heureux requested the dog park be established so that it could be posted at the site. Susan Furioli, 4629 Buckingham Lane, Carlsbad, shared a video with the Commission. She said that the one person who was responsible for the dog park was Ann L'Heureux and that the park should be named after her. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Craig, AB #1005-3, to accept and file the staff report. AYES: Chairman Comstock, Commissioners Craig, Pacheco, Hubbard, Lyons, Cooper, and George NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: None 4. AB #1005-4 PINE AVENUE COMMUNITY PARK MASTER PLAN REVISION Ken Price explained that staff would be presenting a proposed Master Plan Amendment for consideration for Pine Avenue Community Park. He explained that staff wanted to take advantage of using the existing contract work for expansion of the project. He added that staff was directed to pursue alternatives for use of the Pine Avenue Community Park. He stated that this resulted in 3 or 4 options and alternatives which he discussed with the City Manager's office. Mr. Price explained that the purpose of the item was to get the Parks and Recreation Commission's input on the alternatives and to have citizens speak at the public hearing. He mentioned that the City Attorney's office advised staff that they could not expand the existing contract because it was such a large project and there would be some liability issues but that a public hearing could be held at the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting to obtain further input. He described how the people in the neighborhood were notified of the meeting and added that phone calls and letters were received from the public. Mr. Price Parks and Recreation Commission -4- October 17,2005 emphasized that staff had not yet decided what was going to happen at the park and that there were still three other alternatives that could be proposed. Scott Bradstreet, Park Planner, summarized the background of the project. He described the public hearings that were held and explained that staff heard the need for open play time and an additional baseball field. He explained that City Council approved the Master Plan and an ornamental garden in January 2003. He displayed what was approved. He described the multi- use field and the ornamental garden in detail. Mr. Bradstreet pointed out that additional lots were purchased. He added that City Council requested staff to include the additional lots, resulting in the ornamental garden. He stated that they were currently looking at alternative designs. He displayed the original design considerations and pointed out what was purchased. He summarized the design considerations including safety, how workshop requests were addressed, and mentioned that there was a rare opportunity for the City to use acreage in the Northwest Quadrant for a ballfield. He described the three alternatives in detail and explained that staff was recommending a fourth option which was to include a Bronco size ballfield. He demonstrated why staff thought this was the best solution and pointed out that there would only be an additional 1/3 acre. Mr. Bradstreet explained the importance of being sensitive to the neighbors and outlined what would be done to buffer the ballfield from the neighbors. He described where trees would be located and how the backstop would be away from Chestnut. He discussed lighting and described how the light would be directed on to the field and not spill over to the residential area. He also addressed the issue of foul balls. He explained that the cost estimate would be $1.1 to $1.3 million which would include the Bronco field addition and a restroom/storage building. He asked the Parks and Recreation Commission to recommend approval of the proposed Pine Avenue Park Master Plan Amendment to City Council. Questions and discussion included the following issues: • Changes made to the plan originally sent to the City which included a play area for children who were not involved in organized sports • Groups who would use the ballfields A. • Amount of parking required • Possible location of a skate park • Possibility of relinquishing parking places to create more of a buffer or open play space • Percentage of neighborhood children participating in the leagues and whether a soccer field would be more appropriate • Neighbors already living in area had no choice since they were already there and their concern about how the area will impact them • Suggestion of installing a movable fence to accommodate all groups and have an area for the community • Comment that Pine Avenue was never a passive park • Location of movable pegs on ballfields • Clarification of the number of fields in south and north Carlsbad and times of use • Controlled satellite lighting for the field • Ballfields at the Safety Center and special permission for its use Parks and Recreation Commission -5- October 17,2005 Virgina Martinez, 3367 Madison Street, Carlsbad, explained that she sent a letter to the Commissioners and read the letter to the Commission. She expressed her concern that the proposed amendment for expansion of the park would be detrimental to the quality of life. She explained that her family lived in her house for over 70 years and that she was not against the development of the park. She further stated that she participated in the many community meetings of the approved Master Plan. Ms. Martinez explained that she was against the changes made to the total design of the park, particularly replacing the ornamental garden with the Bronco size baseball field. She stated that the community spoke out against an extra ballfield at the meetings and that it would affect the community character and quality of life. She also explained that parking would be 150' from the homes and that it was never mentioned at any meeting that the ornamental garden was temporary. She stated that she felt that the City should adhere to the original Master Plan and not accept the addition. She added that within two hours she had at least 50 people sign a petition against the amendment. She also asked what had happened to including lawn bowling in the park since it was a passive activity. Alex Martinez, 26741 Banbury Drive, Valley Center, passed out a letter to the Commissioners. He explained that he was a native of Carlsbad and that he always maintained a relationship with the Barrio. He added that he was assisting his sister with remodeling of her house and described his career positions, including being a former director of Parks and Recreation for San Diego County. He indicated that he felt that the proposed amendment to the Master Plan was a violation of the master plan process. Mr. Martinez pointed out that the majority of the neighbors lived in the area for over 50 years. He added that they were not given enough notice to prepare for the meeting that evening. He stated that the flyer did not indicate that other options were going to be considered and that they had been assured that no active recreation would take place near Madison Street. He urged the Commission to listen to the people who would be most impacted by the ballfield. John Gomez, 3306 Madison Street, Carlsbad, stated that he owned the property that was part of the design process. He said that he applauded the process and that there was no mistake that the passive area was supposed to end up near the residences. He suggested that a volleyball park could be considered. He stated that he was concerned about lights from the Bronco field shining into his house and that the trees would not block the lights. He added that he preferred another option. Mario Monroy, 749 Magnolia Avenue, Carlsbad, explained that he did attend all the meetings. He said that the Chairman should not be part of the vote since he spoke in favor of the ballfield at one of the meetings. He added that another ballfield was not the best thing for the neighborhood and that it would change the neighborhood entirely. He stated that he liked option #3 and was concerned about the lighting in the parking lot. He added that he hoped the Commission would not support this particular proposal and expressed concern about the soccer field. He also added that the sport community was very aggressive. Commissioner George asked Mr. Monroy if he ever felt that he was advised that the ornamental garden was temporary and Mr. Monroy responded no. Bill Swann, 6988 Sandcastle Drive, Carlsbad, explained that he was a Carlsbad resident for 20 years and that he was president of the Carlsbad Youth Baseball League. He suggested that a compromise be found. He stated that he was an advocate for adding another ballfield but was Parks and Recreation Commission -6- October 17,2005 sensitive to the residents. He suggested that lights not be added and the park should be a day park. He mentioned that he would like to see the park benefit all athletics, not just baseball. Commissioner Comstock asked Mr. Swann how his group was impacted. Mr. Swann explained that they were skipping around to various fields because of construction. He described what was happening to the fields and stated that the League was willing to work with the neighbors to be the best neighbor that they could be. He also described suspicious activity at Chase. Commissioner Pacheco expressed concern that children who did not have a place to go who ended up in gangs. Commissioner Craig asked if Mr. Swann was open to having the park as a day use facility. Mr. Swann responded that he was thinking about it. He also explained that he offered scholarships to those who could not afford to play because he wanted to see children play. Theresa J. Childs, 3331 Madison Street, Carlsbad, explained that she lived directly behind the backdrop. She suggested that the Commission should have more workshops and that possible considerations could include a sand volleyball court, lawn bowling, or a conservatory or gazebo to augment the garden itself. She said they all agreed that they did not want the particular entrance on Madison. She added that other parks could accommodate baseball and that there were mostly adults who lived on Madison. Ms. Childs added that the park should support adults, especially since there were already two or three fields. Ms. Childs addressed the issues of businesses and stated that there were no businesses in the area nor any place to eat. She expressed concern about the traffic since Madison already went directly through Tamarack and was very busy. She added that she was concerned about the noise, and pointed out that Chase Field noise did not end at 7:00 or 8:00 in the evening. She concluded by stating that she was personally for a conservatory. Joe Canales, 3447 Jefferson Street, Carlsbad, stated that the Barrio was the oldest place in Carlsbad. He expressed concern that the property owners were not given enough notice for the meeting and that he could have brought a lot more people to the meeting if he was given sufficient notice. He explained that he was born in his house and that the neighborhood had the best properties in Carlsbad. He asked about the plans for Chase Field and mentioned that he was concerned about the lighting, especially since Chase Field lights lit up the whole neighborhood. He said that Chase Field should be put in the program, perhaps putting in a snack bar between the two places. Mr. Canales discussed the alley where the baseball diamond was before the other properties were purchased and asked about the adult community. He stated that there still would not be enough fields for the children and suggested that the amendment be put on hold so that neighbors could be contacted and further workshops could be held. Kathleen Apodaca-Murquez, 3345 Madison Street, Carlsbad, stated that she also lived at 3429 Jefferson and was concerned about the impact on the neighbors. She pointed out that children could hit more than 100' and mentioned that she was speaking on behalf of her 91 year old grandmother. She said that her grandmother was so happy to hear that there would be a rose garden. She added that she was an advocate for youth and wanted a place for the children to play. She mentioned that bathrooms would create tagging and a place for children to hang out. Parks and Recreation Commission -7- October 17,2005 Ms. Apodaca-Murquez said that she did not understand satellite lighting, especially since the lights at Chase Field have been on for many hours at a time. She suggested that the Commission work together with the community and particularly consider the seniors in the community. She pointed out that every resident from the street was in attendance and that she felt they were being disrespected. Brian Donald, 2410 Stromberg Circle, Carlsbad, explained that he was a baseball dad and real active in Carlsbad Youth Baseball. He described his roles and said that there was a very good need for another Bronco size field. He mentioned that he believed that the field as it was approved right now could accommodate two Bronco size fields and that pony age players would not be able to use the field because of artificial turf. He suggested that the City could relocate the existing resources and have them use Calavera. He suggested having another set of workshops to figure out what to do with the garden. He explained that this was his personal opinion and that he was not representing any group. Commissioner Comstock asked if the existing space would be suitable. Mr. Donald explained that with the original park design, two Bronco fields could be overlaid on the field. He added that it could work with modification and another facility could be used for the older children to play ball. Commissioner Comstock asked if lighting would be sufficient. Mr. Bradstreet responded that it would if they did what Mr. Donald proposed. Julie Ajdour, 3537 Madison, Carlsbad, reviewed the percentage of fields to the total acreage for other parks in Carlsbad and asked for the acreage of the Pine Avenue Community Park. Mr. Bradstreet responded that it was 7.7 acres. Ms. Ajdour stated that it was not consistent with the other parks and that she thought the original plan was terrific. She also disagreed with the statement about most children turning to gangs. She pointed out that whenever a youth group really wanted something, they went to meetings, and asked where were the 11 and 12 year olds who wanted the baseball diamonds. Leland Peneku, 3635 Contour Place, Carlsbad, explained that he was president of the Carlsbad Softball Association. He stated that he felt strongly to support Mr. Bradstreet and that his group also provided scholarships for young girls. He also mentioned that there were senior leagues. He reminded the Commission to remember that the City was changing and growing very rapidly. In response to Commissioner Pacheco's query regarding the amount of scholarships present to children, Mr. Peneku stated that they gave out six scholarships last year. Tom Watson, 4927 Salisbury Drive, Carlsbad, stated that he worked with Carlsbad Youth Baseball and worked closely with staff. He explained that he believed Chase Field was a safety hazard for children and neighbors and explained why. He added that there was an inadequate number of fields. He said that he supported the proposal but also respected comments and opinions of the neighbors. He added that staff may have to do additional planning. Michael Hedrick, 3557 Madison Street, Carlsbad, said that he was in support of the neighbors in the neighborhood. He said that it was not a good idea to add another baseball park and explained why. He said there were a lot of other activities such as skateboarding and soccer and that there was no space for passive or other activities. He said that the original plan with the ornamental gardens decided upon with a lot of people was a good idea and mentioned that the community did not have a lot of time to respond. Mr. Hedrick pointed out that the other supporters of the baseball field did not live in the neighborhood and that he just wanted to speak up against another baseball field. Parks and Recreation Commission - 8 - October 17,2005 Commissioner Comstock asked if Mr. Hedrick was opposed to another baseball field if two fields could be placed on the site of the proposed field. Mr. Hedrick responded that they would have to add more parking instead of trees if that was the case. Tony Gullotta, 3744 Cavern Place, Carlsbad, said that he respected everyone's views. He added that staff needed to do what was best for the entire City. He stated that his sons played baseball and the City did not put enough resources in the north because that part of the City was already built out. He added that the current fields were very crowded and applauded the plans for parking since there was no parking at Chase Park. He explained that he felt Chase Field was poorly laid out and said that the City bought the property and not the neighbors. Lisa Coughlin, 3471 Jefferson Avenue, Carlsbad, explained that her son was going to make a presentation. Her son said that instead of building another baseball park, they should put in retractable fences at Chase Field. He pointed out that lights from Chase Field were a problem and that he did not think they needed five fields in a two block radius. He added that from his parents' point of view, they should use the money to put in a bridge across the tracks so the children had a safe way to get to the beach. Ned Paterson, 3275 Donna Drive, Carlsbad, said that they needed more workshops based upon what was heard at the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting. He added that he felt they should try and accommodate everyone and that he was disturbed that all children did not play baseball. He mentioned that lighting was a big issue and that he would like to have more fields, especially since his son played until 9:00 p.m. at night. Mr. Paterson also expressed the importance of reaching out and pulling some children in to play baseball, and said that he would like to see two Bronco fields. Commissioner Pacheco pointed out that there were many workshops held and that a plan was developed. Chairman Comstock closed the public hearing at 7:30 p.m. Further discussion and comments included the following issues: • Recommendation that three commissioners and staff participate in workshops which would include neighbors The park was to be a quadrant park and not a neighborhood park Workshops were already held and the Master Plan was already approved People of the Barrio said that they do not want five baseball fields Speakers that evening asked for another workshop Possibility of the Parks and Recreation Commission working closely with the School District in the renovation at Carlsbad High School which could include baseball and softball fields Whether the parking lot at community center could be considered parking spaces for the ballfields Concern about changing the existing contract Suggestion that the field in the industrial complex could be used as a Bronco field Explanation of why a bathroom was added and whether it would be a safety issue Preference for the old plan Possibility of looking at the additional piece and making it workable without stopping the process Need for open play time and having a place to go since all children did not want to play in organized sports Parks and Recreation Commission -9- October 17,2005 • Request for an analysis that would include a hard copy of alternatives • Suggestion of having a workshop which would be in an informal atmosphere Commissioner Cooper made a motion to vote on the action item to provide a recommendation to the City Council for the proposed Pine Avenue Park Master Plan Amendment. The motion was seconded, and failed: 0 Ayes, 7 Noes. Further discussion and comments included the following issues: • Have staff provide the Parks and Recreation Commission with a solution • Clarification of whether the contractor needed to stop working on the park • Concern that the rest of the City of Carlsbad would decide what would go into the community park without consideration for the views of the community • Review of how subcommittees and workshops have worked for the lagoon and the skate park • Clarification of how change orders could be put in for the project • The need to look at the entire area that benefits the community and the park • Appointment of Chairman Comstock, Commissioners Pacheco and Hubbard as a subcommittee to meet with staff to review options ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Hubbard, AB #1005-4 to leave intact the original Pine Avenue Community Park Master Plan with the exception of the ornamental garden and all the area included in the red rectangle, the new acquisitions, which would involve conducting a workshop to get community input and look at redesign for the most optimum use, including setting up the subcommittee of Chairman Comstock, Commissioners Pacheco and Hubbard, and to present their findings back to the Parks and Recreation Commission. AYES: Chairman Comstock, Commissioners Craig, Pacheco, Hubbard, Lyons, Cooper, and George NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: None 5. AB #1005-5 PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION HOLIDAY MEETING/DINNER Sue Spickard, Recreation Services Manager, explained that the Parks and Recreation Commission Holiday Party was scheduled for Friday, December 15, 2005 and the Commission needed to decide where to have the party. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Cooper, AB #1005-5, to approve the date and location of the December Parks and Recreation Commission meeting and holiday dinner be held on Friday, December 16, 2005, beginning at 5:00 p.m. at Carrillo Ranch, with the Senior Center as a backup. AYES: Chairman Comstock, Commissioners Craig, Pacheco, Hubbard, Lyons, Cooper, and George NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: None A*' HOSP GROVE SITE "%••**" Exhibit 3 M Xw Hro MXa Hro H 2/170 s-f.1 Jj Cell/storage bldg. 16,600 s.f* 3,287 s.f Total acres = FIRE STATION SITE CALVERA HILLS PARK Exhibits ffiH 03H Ul