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ARTS COMMISSION/SENIOR COMMISSION
(Special Meeting)
February 24, 1989
11:00 a.m.
City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER;
Arts Chairman Bear called the Meeting to order at
11:07 a.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present:Arts Commission - Chairman Bear,
Commissioners Bischoff, Frye, Meilach,
Roston and Straub.
Senior Commission - Chairman Van,
Commissioners Heard, Maggio, Ritchie and
Savary.
Absent: Arts Commissioner Brierley.
Arts Chairman Bear stated this joint meeting was called
to discuss the Senior Center Artwork, which was approved
by the Arts Commission at their last meeting.
Arts Chairman Bear introduced Christine Oatman, who
presented slides showing her work throughout the world
and explaining her design for the Senior Center. She
concluded her presentation by explaining the butterfly
motif and how it blended with the architecture of the
building and was a fitting symbol.
There was an interruption during her presentation and
a request from Dr. Castner to interrupt Ms. Oatman and
allow some citizens who had to leave to give their
testimony. Chairman Bear ruled that the names of those
having to leave would be noted, but Ms. Oatman, in
fairness, should continue her presentation.
Arts Chairman Bear opened the Meeting for Public Comment
at 11:38 p.m.
Dr. David Castner, 1550 Sunrise Circle, stated that
187 citizens had signed a petition against the proposed
artwork, and he asked that the action of the Arts
Commission be set aside. He said the artwork had not
been properly discussed and never reported back to the
parent committees by the sub-committee.
Dr. Castner further stated that the School Board, who
are part-owners of the building and will share the cost
of the maintenance, instructed Dr. Brierley to give the
Arts Commission a letter stating their dissatisfaction
with the artwork selection.
Dr. Castner said the Senior Center is to be used
exclusively by the seniors from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.,
five days a week, with the exception of the entrance
facing Jefferson, which is to be used by some members
of the School District or people doing business with
them. The entrance for the School District is at the
extreme east end of the building, off of their parking
lot.
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While the process for selecting art for Stagecoach Park
worked well, Dr. Castner said this situation was
different, as Stagecoach Park is being used by people
of all ages and the Senior Center is for seniors. He
added that with 178 votes for the artwork, and 81 for
this work, there were 97 that were not, and he said it
was not possible to tell how many of those voting were
children.
Dr. Castner stated this is a very divisive issue. The
seniors were ecstatic over the new Center and this
issue has placed a cloud over it. He reiterated his
belief that the matter was not handled properly.
Dr. Castner concluded, stating he did not need
something hanging overhead that reminded him he was in
the last stages of life.
Arts Commissioner Meilach inquired about the basis for
the people being "disgruntled", and Dr. Castner
answered they Just don't like butterflies and would
like some other form of art that could be displayed and
rotated; some want murals and others want something to
make them feel good. He reiterated not wanting to look
up and be reminded you are in the last stage of life.
Commissioner Meilach asked whether in obtaining the
signatures in a short time, was there time to
deliberate over the model and get all the facts on the
piece. Dr. Castner stated he had only collected ten of
those 187 signatures. In conclusion, Commissioner
Meilach commented she thought looking up in the last
stage of life would be a nice thing to do.
Ms. Oatman commented to Dr. Castner that he spoke as
though he represented the seniors who would use the
building, and it was her understanding that the Senior
Commission had their own representative on the
Selection Committee. Dr. Castner answered that no one
reported back to the original committee; that when a
sub-committee is appointed, they do not make a decision
for the whole committee, and an agenda item should have
been provided for a report to the entire group.
Richard Sica, 3383 Garibaldi Place, Secretary on the
Board of Directors of the Carlsbad Senior Association,
stated he was a volunteer at the Center and spends many
hours a week there. He spoke in opposition to the
proposed artwork, stating it was a mobile that would
gather dust and could become dangerous if it fell. He
said there was a wealth of talent among the seniors for
providing artwork, and suggested waiting until occupancy
of the building before making a decision.
Ms. Oatman stated her work was not a mobile and there
would be no maintenance problem, as any dust could be
easily blown off.
Oean Ballard, 2613 Firemountain Drive, Oceanside, was
one of those who had to leave to go to the Senior
Center to work. She opposed the artwork.
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Angle Clauson, 954 Home Avenue B, had to leave, but had
indicated on her Request to Speak that she opposed the
artwork.
Robert Collet, 2412 Sonora Court, Member of the
Nutrition Project Council and a volunteer at the Senior
Center, spoke in opposition to the artwork, stating
butterflies are beautiful in the right places. He
suggested paintings, pictures, murals or statues for
the Senior Center, and recommended not placing anything
in the gallery area until the building was completed.
Terry Talbot, 5283 Los Robles Drive, had to leave
earlier, but indicated her opposition to the artwork.
Ruth Sherwood, 5238 Carlsbad Boulevard, stated she felt
this was a mobile and would be dangerous to anyone on
crutches, with canes or walkers, if they came into the
hallway and these objects were moving. The shadows on
the floor could confuse those people and cause them to
fall. Her request to speak indicated she opposed the
artwork.
Yvonne Castner, 1550 Sunrise Circle, spoke in opposition
to the artwork, stating she did not need heralds
reminding her of her demise. She said she felt Ms.
Oatman had talent, but she believed the artist was ill-
informed as to what the seniors wanted.
Patricia Feille, 2160 Janis Way, spoke in favor of the
artwork, stating she was on the Board to select the
artwork and felt it was beautiful. She did not feel
this artwork would disturb anyone in any way or cause
any problems.
Ms. Feille stated this entryway is to be used by many
people. The Center will be a lovely building with a
lot of wall space to display the artwork of the
seniors. She stated she disagreed with the previous
comments about the butterflies as the Christian belief
is that butterflies are the rebirth and beginning of
life.
Ms. Feille mentioned the Sister City of Futtsu, Japan,
and the fact that this motif was taken from a series of
Japanese Woodblock illustrations. She said this was a
lovely, symbolic art piece incorporating many things.
The City is paying for this artwork and all citizens
should have a voice in its selection.
Jackie Wrench, 3531 Charter Oak, Arts Associates Board
of Directors, spoke in favor of the artwork, stating
the Board of Directors agreed that the selection
process for the artwork was extremely fair, and she
read from the petition asking for approval of the
selection of the Committee for the art at the Senior
Center.
Ms. Wrench said Members of the Arts Associates were
proud that the City has a program for art in public
places and they support the process for selection of art
for the Senior Center. She added that many people
worked hard to set up this process.
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Arts Commissioner Meilach commented that three of the
four people who objected to the process left this
meeting before any other comments were made.
Evelyn Camp, 3107 Quebrada Circle, stated she was asked
to take the art project to the Senior Center at lunch
time on last Wednesday and started to question the
seniors whether they had seen the model of the proposed
artwork, and most of them had not. Upon asking them
about signing a commitment against the artwork, some
did not know exactly why they had signed against
something. Ms. Camp said several people were very rude
to her at the Center.
Vera McNeil, 3357 Monroe Street, signed a Request to
Speak in opposition to the proposed artwork. Ms.
McNeil left during the artist's presentation.
Arts Chairman Bear closed the public input at 12:08
p.m., and opened the meeting to discussion by the
Commissions. He stated that on January 11, 1989, the
Arts Commission approved the recommendation of the Sub-
Comittee, and the recommendation was to go forward to
the City Council, who makes the final decision.
Senior Commission Chairman Van stated that art is a
very individual thing to people. When Connie Beardsley
presented the final decision to the Senior Commission,
three Commissioners did not care for this form of art.
There has been a lot of activity for and against this
artwork, and Mr. McCormick presented the entire process
to the School Board and the suggestion was made to
reject the concept, with three of the Trustees
agreeing. A letter was to be sent to the Arts
Commission recommending that nothing be done about the
artwork in the Center until after the building was
completed in September. (Connie Beardsley indicated
she had just received this letter.)
Mr. Van said the special treatment in the floor tile
could present a problem if the artwork were removed at
a later date. He suggested that the project be
dropped, and if the Arts Commission is still interested
in providing some form of art, the committee should be
re-convened. At the School Board Meeting, the
suggestion was made that the committee should consist
of the entire School Board and the Senior Commission.
Senior Commissioner Ritchie told of her art background
and stated she felt this was an outstanding example
of art that was being produced in Southern California
today.
Ms. Ritchie made two recommendations: First,
disregard the negative poll of the Senior Commission.
Ms. Beardsley's report was for information only. The
Chairman was out of order in calling for a poll and
that was invalid. Second, send the matter to the
Architectural Design Committee for a vote of approval.
All five members of the Senior Commission sit on that
Committee. All past decisions of that Committee were
made by consensus of the Committee itself.
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Ms. Ritchie continued, stating that the petition
by Dr. Castner had many names of non-residents of
Carlsbad--and some signed twice. Also, others were not
seniors and many do not use the Center at all. She felt
the petition was not representative of those who use the
Senior Center. Also, many were intimidated into signing
and were misinformed as to where the artwork was to be
placed.
Ms. Ritchie said it was upsetting to go through the
proper process, only to have a very negative,
aggressive, vocal minority create a situation. These
people are not the only ones using the Center and are
not a majority- -there are other programs at the Center
than just the Nutrition Program.
Ms. Ritchie said she was the only Member who had
appeared before service clubs to raise funds to provide
amenities for the new Center, and it is very
discouraging to talk about this controversy. She asked
for the matter to move forward by process.
Arts Commissioner Bischoff stated that some people had
stated that the $27,000 could be used for other
amenities at the Center, and he wanted to clarify that
this was money from the Public Art Fund, in the Arts
budget, and if it were not used, it would go back to
the Public Art Fund and the Arts Commission would
recommend its use. He wanted that fact clarified
here and now and the argument eliminated.
Mr. Bischoff said that the comments had been
made that the Commissioners had poor taste and were
inconsiderate, etc. He said that no one had that
intention and most of the Commissioners have studied art
in some fashion and have appreciation. The Commissions
are a cross-section of people, and the Arts
Commissioners disagree on many subjects, and he felt
that is good. He felt the lack of communication was on
the part of the seniors and not the Arts Commission, as
the Commission wants the process to be viewed and have
maximum input.
Mr. Bischoff said this artwork is not a mobile. It
could fall, but so could the windows of a building in
an earthquake. He compared this situation to that of
the voter who does not vote and is irritated at the
results. He did not believe the choice of art should
be by public vote, but this selection should proceed
with the process. He concluded, stating this is a
beautiful piece of artwork.
Arts Commissioner Roston told of modern art and
impressionists sought after today—that were all
rejected originally in Paris. She said if we can't go
forward with our thinking, we belong back in the Dark
Ages. Commissioner Roston felt this was a beautiful
piece of art and there was nothing to suggest death and
the recent demise of anyone.
Senior Commissioner Savary stated the due process was
not followed and that was an error. She stated she did
not like the work, but realized the majority rules.
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Arts Commissioner Roston left the meeting at 12:28 p.m.
Arts Commissioner Meilach stated there is no way that
any art can keep everyone happy--that there will always
be someone that is unhappy. She said the problem was
what would happen if they go ahead with the project
and what happens if they don't.
Arts Chairman Bear stated that on January 11, 1989, the
Arts Commission voted to accept the recommendation
of the Selection Committee, and the remaining task for
the Arts Commission is to submit that recommendation to
the City Council.
Arts Commissioner Straub stated she understood this
meeting was held to reach a compromise. Senior
Chairman Van said there could be no compromise, and
Commissioner Straub asked if that were true, and the
opposing Senior Commissioners concurred.
Arts Commissioner Frye stated that if you have a
process for selecting artwork and you have gone through
it at great length, there is the argument that should
be the decision. On the other hand, if the
preponderance of the seniors were opposed to that
decision, you would not want to ram it down their
throats. He said in this case you did not know
whether this is opposed by a large or small group.
Therefore, Commissioner Frye suggested having a valid
kind of referendum, just to make certain the decision
was not in in conflict with the majority of the people.
Senior Commissioner Heard stated that when the three
maquettes were on display, he voted in favor of the
butterflies. This is a living piece and an unusual
configuration. He enforced the recommendation of
Commissioner Ritchie that this matter be sent to the
Architectural Design Committee.
The make-up of the Architectural Design Committee was
given. The five Members of the Senior Commission
(Commissioners Cast, Hoskins, Maggio, Ritchie and Van)
David Castner, as representative from the
Senior Citizens Association Board; John Cahill; Ken
Quon; Sue Spickard; Dr. Brierley and John Blair for the
School District and two from the architectural firm,
Dale Lang and 3im DiCamillo. (A non-voting Historic
Preservation Commission Member, Brian Robertson)
Everything was decided by consensus with no controversy
up to this time.
Connie Beardsley stated that it was her understanding
that in this case, the City staff, as well as the
School Board staff, would not be able to vote on this
matter. However, she said this was still in question.
Senior Commissioner Maggio stated she did not like
butterflies as a personal choice. She asked why this
had to be decided now and asked why the rush. Senior
Chairman Van stated that the reason for the decision
now was the design in the floor tile.
Senior Commissioner Ritchie said it was a joy to get
the art into the building at this stage by having it a
part of the floor, and it would be too bad if this were
thrown away.
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Arts Chairman Bear agreed that he felt they would never
get rid of the controversy, and he felt the process
should be given another 30 to 45 days before going to
Council. He was not in favor of abrogating the January
decision of the Arts Commission, as the due process was
served and the matter needs to go forward. On the
other hand, an educational process needs to go forward
to heal the rift.
Arts Chairman Bear stated he had drafted a proposal,
which he read to the Joint Meeting. He added that it
was important to get as much input as possible to get a
broader sense of what the public feels.
Senior Commissioner Ritchie stated that the Senior
Commission took an informal poll; it was not an action
item, with no motion and no vote.
Arts Commissioner Meilach cemented on the petition
process, saying that people will sign based on who is
giving them the petition and how much you trust that
person, rather than subject matter.
Arts Chairman Bear read the letter from the School Board
dated February 23, 1989, stating their recommendation to
wait until the building was occupied before placing any
artwork there.
Senior Coordinator Sue Spickard stated that there had
been turmoil at the Center and she asked that whatever
is set up is done as fairly as possible.
Connie Beardsley asked for direction as to how she and
Ms. Spickard are to proceed with getting public input.
Comment was made that names, addresses and telephone
numbers were necessary, and that it should be Carlsbad
residents only.
Arts Chairman Bear stated it would be necessary for
staff to return and say that was what they wanted to
do.
Arts Commissioner Meilach stated that anyone 35 to 45
years of age would soon becoming seniors, and thought
they should be included, as well as the school people.
Arts Commissioner Straub said this was to be a public
facility and a public building and it should be a
public decision.
Arts Chairman Bear added that this input should be any
place where it can be gotten, with the object being to
not omit anyone by age. The suggestion was made that if
this is done in the Library, there should be someone in
attendance to monitor the signing by each person.
Senior Commissioner Maggio stated she did not feel that
anyone should take this as a personal affront to them.
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Arts Commission accepted the following Proposal, as
amended:
Whereas the Carlsbad Arts Commission has gone through
due process in selecting the Oatman artwork for the
Senior Center; and
Whereas the Senior Commission has taken an informal
poll against the Arts Commission recommendation; and
Whereas there are petitions circulating for and
against the Arts Commission decision;
The Arts Commission will wait at least forty-five days
before submitting the Oatman selection to the City
Council;
The Arts Office and Senior Office staff will work
together to develop additional public presentations and
votes. Suggested audiences will include Mobile Home
Parks, Retirement Homes, School District staffers,
other senior events, the Senior Commission and the
Architectural Design Committee.
The Senior Commission Members abstained from voting.
ADJOURNMENT;
By proper motion, the Special Joint Meeting of February
24, 1989, was adjourned at 1:01 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Connie Beardsley
ARTS MANAGER
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
Bear
Bischoff
Frye
Meilach
Straub