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MEETING OF: CITY COUNCIL/CARLSBAD UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
TIME OF MEETING: 7:30 P .M. \\k 5
DATE OF MEETING: June 14, 1983
PLACE OF MEETING: Kelly School, 4885 Kelly Drive COUNCIL % 3% ?
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CALL TO ORDER:
The meeting was called to order at 7 :38 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Roll call was taken by the City Clerk as follows:
Present : Council Members Casler, Lewis,
Chick and Prescott .
Absent : Council Member Kulchin
Roll call by the District Secretary was as follows:
Present : Trustees Thomas L. Curt in, W. Allan
Kelly, J. Edward Switzer, Jr.,
Julianne L . Nygaard .
Absent: Trustee John J . Mamaux
(70) 1. SWIM POOL:
Mayor Casler began the item by indicating that the
school district had requested free use of the swimming
pool and requested free use of the pool from the hours
of 9:OO a.m. to 12 noon and 2:OO p.m. to 5:OO p.m., and
the City had offered free use of the pool from 9:00
a.m. to 12 noon and from 1:00 p.m. to 2:OO p.m. For
informational purposes, she indicated that during the.
afternoon hours, the City is able to get approximately
$20,000 in revenue, and it would not be economically
viable to commit those hours to the school district for
free and thereby eliminate that revenue.
Trustee Kelly questioned the effect on interscholastic
activities since they generally occur after school. He
indicated he didn't object to paying a reasonable fee
if they could get on the schedule to use the pool.
Mayor Casler indicated it would be feasible as long as
Parks and Recreation knows in advance for scheduling
purposes.
General discussion resulted regarding various hours
which might be used for those purposes, and Trustee
Kelly indicated that early morning practices would not
be advisable because it would discourage student
participation, and for those that did participate, they
might become overtired and fall asleep in class.
Dave Bradstreet, Parks and Recreation Director, in
response to query by the district, indicated that if
the department knew three months in advance, scheduling
could be worked out. For clarification purposes, Mr.
Bradstreet also indicated that the proposed hours for
the school district were 8:00 a.m. to 11:15 a.m. and
1:OO p.m. to 2:OO p.m.
Trustee Kelly referred to the proposed new agreement
and the termination clause in same. He commented that
the city council could eliminate the district's use of
the pool entirely.
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Trustee Nygaard questioned the possibility of amending
the old agreement rather than preparing an entirely new
agreement. In particular, she referenced the section
in the old agreement which addresses the bail out
payment.
For clarification purposes, the City Attorney, Vince
Biondo, Jr., stated that a great deal of the old
agreement had to do with constructing the pool and the
district's payment for use of the pool. He indicated
that the pool was now constructed and circumstances had
changed. He also indicated that the termination clause
in the new agreement refers to specific sections in the
old agreement which still would keep in effect the bail
out clause.
Trustee Curt in referred to the original agreement,
original pool concept, and differences in a completed
project. He indicated the City had agreed to give back
unused land, but the Council seemed to have a problem
accomplishing same.
Mayor Casler indicated that if the district desires the
land back, they should direct a request to the Council
for Council consideration and discussion.
Dr. Grignon, Superintendent, stated that an additional
feature of the new agreement was a provision for the
City to use the Cultural Arts Center.
Trustee Kelly questioned the termination date and
whether it would be extended five years from 1992 to
1997. He also described a port ion of the land which
was given to the City which is a forty foot strip off
of Basswod, and requested consideration of giving the
property back to the district. He also requested that
consideration be given for a provision that if the pool
is ever abandoned sometime in the future, that the land
would revert back to the ownership of the school
district.
Mayor Cas ler suggested that the items requested by
Trustee Kelly be put in writing and forwarded to
Council for their consideration.
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The City's use of the Cultural Arts Center, hours,
fees, and fact that the City is not to use the Center
to feature recreational activities which would be in
direct competition with the district, were explained.
Trustee Kelly commented on the need to provide swimming
lessons for third grade students in an effort to make
the children drown proof, and suggested consideration
be given to working out some type of a program.
Mayor Casler suggested that the Parks and Recreation
Director could work on such a program for the next
year, but scheduling would not permit it this year.
Council Member Lewis questioned the possibility of the
district providing transportation to children from the
Boys and Girls Club to make it easier for them to
participate if such a program is developed.
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Trustee Kelly indicated in his opinion transportation
would not be the problem, but that price of the program
would be the determining factor of participation.
Trustee Nygaard suggested the possibility of providing
the district free use of the pool for such a program
with the district providing the instructors.
Council Member Chick questioned where the $14 an hour
figure came from and the determination of the charge
for the school district when the City's cost is $26 an
hour. He indicated the City has agreed to pay the
direct cost on the Cultural Arts Center which is $35 an
hour, and questioned why the district was not paying
the City's direct cost for use of the pool at $26 an
hour.
In response, the City Manager indicated that the City's
rates for use of the pool vary, based on time of usage,
groups, and other factors. He stated the City does not
have a fixed rate. He also noted there was a memo out
that says that the direct cost of the pool is $27 an
hour, and he indicated the various items which that
cost includes. However, he noted that the actual
maintenance and operation cost of the pool is $18 an
hour, and if supervision were eliminated, the cost
would be less.
Dave Bradstreet explained the pool budget, and method
of calculating the cost, and indicated the results of
that calculation shows that the direct cost for
operating the pool is $18.50 an hour.
Superintendent Grignon indicated that he disagreed with
the method of calculation for the cost since the
facility is there and must be maintained 24 hours a day
rather than only during usable hours. He indicated
such calculation had been used in determining the
direct cost of the Cultural Arts Center.
Council approved the new agreement with the school
district with an adjustment in the hours to reflect Cas le r xx
8:OO a.m. to 11:15 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. to 2:OO p.m., a Lewis X
change in the fifteen year term so that the agreement Chick X
would expire in 1997, and the inclusion of a clause Prescott X
that after school, an after school athletic program
could be arranged at a $14 an hour fee.
On motion by Trustee Switzer, the Board of Trustees
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(70) 2. PARKING LOT:
Mayor Casler indicated that the paving of the parking
lot had been on the Council agenda previously, and had
been removed on request by the school district.
Trustee Kelly indicated that the request for removal
had been merely to coordinate that item with the pool
agreement, and he urged moving forward with paving of
the parking lot.
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In response to query, City Manager indicated the matter
would be on Council agenda for the meeting of June 21,
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(91) 3. DISTRICT BOUNDARIES:
Trustee Kelly indicated the item was on the agenda
beacuse the City is always questioning why something
can' t be done about making boundaries coterminous. He
indicated that to the district, changing boundaries
could mean a reduction in attendance, which would mean
a loss of money for the district. He suggested,
however, that this would be the appropriate time to do
something about the boundaries for the areas in the
City that are not yet developed.
General discussion related to the many problems which
would be encountered if attempts were made to change
school district boundaries, and it was noted that it
was a political and emotional matter for many people.
Various alternatives attempting to work out a proposed
change in boundaries were discussed, and problems of
same noted.
It was suggested that the Carrillo Ranch area could be
addressed since it is currently undeveloped.
Jim Hagaman, Research/Analysis Manager, briefly
reported on discussions with a staff member of the San
Marcos School District, and indicated the process of
studying their school location plan. He suggested this
may be an appropriate time for discussions with the San
Marcos School District for that particular area.
It was suggested that a trustee and administrator of
each district meet for purposes of discussing the
possibility of any boundary changes.
Further discussion related to ways of generating
interest among the school districts regarding possible
boundary changes, and who should instigate such
activities. No action was taken.
ADJOURNMENT :
By proper motion, the meeting was adjourned at 9:05
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ALETHA L. RAUTEN
City Clerk
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