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Meeting of: DESIGN REVIEW BOARD
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: April 1, 1987
Place of Meeting: Safety Service Center, 2560 Orion Way
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Rombotis called the Meeting to order at 5:OO
p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chairman Rombotis, Members Hall and McCoy.
Absent: Members Holmes and McFadden.
Staff Present: Chris Salomone, Community Redevelopment
Manager
Ron Ball, Assistant City Attorney
Charles Grimm, Assistant Planning Director
Adrienne Landers, Assistant Planner
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE was led by Chairman Rombotis.
DEPARTMENTAL
1. RP 86-14 - BIZIEFF - Request for approval of a permit
to allow construction of two commercial buildings at
the intersection of Lincoln Street, Oak Avenue, and
Carlsbad Boulevard in Subarea 5 of the V-R Zone.
Chairman Rombotis acknowledged receipt of a packet of
letters, two in favor of this project and 17 in
opposition.
record.
These letters were made a part of the
Chairman Rombotis announced although it was not listed as
a public hearing, this item was a public hearing.
Chris Salomone, Community Redevelopment Manager, gave the
staff presentation, as contained in the staff report,
using slides to show the site and the parking in the area.
More slides showed Lincoln Street and the parallel
parking. Mr. Salomone stated there will be public
improvements in this area, and those include a median,
landscaping, sidewalks, curbs and gutters.
As a result of those public improvements, this would
eliminate the headin parking shown in the slide for the
retail facility. No public improvements are to be done
along the Oak Avenue roadway by the City at this time.
Mr. Salomone stated this is a policy issue. The City has
closed Garfield Avenue and will make that into a public
parking lot.
this parcel was part of the consideration of this project
tonight. If Lincoln Street were closed, and the public
improvements put in on Carlsbad Boulevard, including a
median, this would close Carlsbad Boulevard to all but
northbound traffic entering from Lincoln Street. Whether
that would be desirable from a site development standpoint
has not been determined. This area is in the view
corridor, and as such, the City encourages amenities along
that corridor, including buildings to enhance that view
corridor.
He felt the issue of the developability of
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DEPARTMENTAL: (continued)
Adrienne Landers continued the report using slides to show
the elevations of the buildings, the footprints of the
buildings and the breezeway by which the buildings are
joined. She stated there were 15 parking spaces needed,
and with the partial street vacation and street closure of
Lincoln Street, this would result in 26 parking spaces; 15
would be private and 11 public. The positive features of
the project are it would eliminate the existing building
and would retain the village atmosphere.
eliminate the existing driveway onto Carlsbad Boulevard,
and the traffic at Carlsbad Boulevard, Lincoln Street and
Elm Avenue would be eliminated.
This would
Ms. Landers stated parking is the major issue. This is a
difficult site to develop and the closure of Lincoln
Street and street vacation would help the applicant
conform with parking standards. Staff did a traffic study
and that indicated no negative impact as far as closing
Lincoln Street. This did not address the other impacts to
the adjacent property owners.
Complex was designated on a one space to one unit basis.
This proposed project and parking would affect the parking
ratio for the Monterey Complex. The residents there also
feel they would have no frontage to a street, but only to
a parking lot. They were also concerned about their view
and the seabreeze.
Parking at the Monterey
Ms. Landers continued, stating this was too intense a
project for the size of the land parcel.
a large use of public land to make the access and parking
work. Staff felt this would be detrimental to the
surrounding property owners and recommended denial of the
project.
It would require
Member McCoy stated he would like the Engineering
Department to tell the Board whether there was any
possibility of access off of Carlsbad Boulevard for
anything. Dave Hauser, Assistant City Engineer, stated
they had not looked at this specific area on Carlsbad
Boulevard, but they would prefer access be from side
streets at any time.
probably be "no".
He stated their recommendation would
Member Hall inquired as to the location of the 12 parking
spaces on the street. Ms. Landers stated she measured the
length of the street and divided it by 20 for both sides
of Lincoln Street and had come up with a rough estimate of
the parking spaces.
Chairman Rombotis opened the public hearing at 5:14 p.m.,
and issued the invitation to speak.
Chairman Rombotis stated up to the present time he had six
requests to speak in opposition and a letter from the
Historic Preservation Commission in opposition. He again
referred to the packet of letters already presented to the
Board.
Chairman Rombotis stated the Assistant City Attorney had
informed him it would take unanimous decision of the
Members here for approval of this project, and he noted
there were two Members of the Board absent.
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DEPARTMENTAL: (continued)
Gordon Bizieff, 2892 3efferson Street, Architect
representing the applicant, stated this was a difficult
site to work with and it was actually a remnant parcel
left over by an easement granted by the public right-of-
way surrounding the parcel. The project was started in
1985, and the design sketch was shown. The square footage
of the building has been reduced from 5,000 to 4,300
square feet. This was submitted to the City in 3uly of
1986, and there was a traffic study done. Staff accepted
the traffic study and was preparing a positive
recommendation. In November, a staff meeting was held and
their position changed.
It was felt this project was incorporated into the village
theme and was consistent with the Design Manual
guidelines. Mr. Bizieff felt this would be an enhancement
to the City and would be consistent with the surrounding
architecture, particularly the Carlsbad Inn.
It was felt that one of the major concerns in the
Redevelopment Area was the limited parking. Any reduction
in parking would be detrimental. This project had tried
to increase the available parking in the area. The
additional parking would benefit the residents of the
Monterey Complex as well. They wanted to work the design
in with the Monterey Complex, making a connection between
those two units. He explained the landscaped ramp and
connection across eventually to Carlsbad Inn.
the letter had been sent out to all the homeowners about a
year ago, as they wished people to view the project. They
had no response at that time. After the project was
submitted, they received more letters of concern from the
owners of the condominium development. The main concern
was with the parking issue and the view corridors. Since
that time, the trash location has been moved from across
the street by Monterey to the development side of the
street. An additional landscaped area and walk into the
parking area has been added and the points with regard to
the Fire Department have been discussed with them.
emergency exit was indicated.
He stated
An
Mr. Bizieff stated Lincoln Street potentially will be
closed, whether this project is approved or not. If this
project is not approved, the approved situation presented
in front of the Board tonight as far as the parking area
may or may not happen.
Mr. Bizieff referred to a copy of the items listed as
benefits realized by the approval of the proposed
development plan for 3076 Carlsbad Boulevard.
follows:
They are as
1. Provide design solution for the acknowledged problem
intersection of Lincoln and Carlsbad Boulevard. (As
per City traffic study)
2. Eliminate dangerous parking backup from site onto
Carlsbad Boulevard.
3. Provide thirteen additional public parking spaces in
redevelopment area.
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DEPARTMENTAL: (continued)
4. Provide replacement parking for on site spaces
eliminated when right-of-way improvements occur on
Carlsbad Boulevard.
5. Enhancement of the Carlsbad Boulevard view corridor.
6. Provide an attrative structure consistant with the
intent of the redevelopment guidelines.
7. Additional tax increment revenue to support additional
improvements in redevelopment area.
Mr. Bizieff next described the problem of the inner
section of Lincoln Street and Carlsbad Boulevard. He
stated they had attempted to mitigate that intersection by
closing it. The three existing carports on the northerly
side would be outside of the parking area. access Carlsbad Boulevard, but by parking into a pocket
would not have to back into traffic. He stated they had
provided 14 additional parking stalls in addition to the
amount provided for their own development and they had
incorporated both sides of the street.
They would
One of the uses determined preferable for this site was a
travel service, and would operate during normal business
hours. After those normal business hours, there would be
26 stalls available to all the residents. Also to replace
those added to this project side of the street, there
would be tuck-under parking.
Mr. Bizieff stated the applicant felt these buildings
would be an enhancement to the view corridor and the
architecture is a great plus to the area.
attractive structures in accordance with the intent of the
Redevelopment Area and would increase the tax revenues.
These would be
In response to Board query regarding the height of the
project, the applicant stated the finished project would
be 23 feet to the ridge line of the second-story
building.
In answer to Member Hall's question regarding a traffic
signal, Mr. Bizieff stated safety was the concern of
everyone present. The applicant would definitely consider
participating in an assessment district to allow a traffic
signal where staff deemed it was necessary.
be fair to ask an applicant building a 4,400 square foot
building to bear the entire cost of such a traffic
signal.
It would not
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DEPARTMENTAL: (continued)
Joe Marranca, 3300 Donna Drive, addressed the Design
Review Board in opposition to this application. He
referred to the 11 good reasons in the petition circulated
by the Monterey Condominium owners.
also many other problems that would arise from the
parking. He stated there was no enhancement for the
Monterey Condominium Complex, as they would be looking
into a parking lot. There would be unsightly cars, oil
spills and rubbish, and that would certainly be no
enhancement. The additional parking spots look good on
paper, but everyone would be looking for parking. The
Monterey people would be looking for parking spaces also.
He stated he would like to retire by the beach, but not if
he walked out into a parking lot. Also, how well would
this parking lot be lighted, and how many people would be
there. He felt that would be dangerous and he was
certainly against tying the project into the Monterey
Condominium Complex.
environment, it would not be by tying into that intense a
building. He stated he had not know of any accidents at
that corner, so he did not consider that intersection
unsafe. Mr. Marranca concluded, suggesting the City put a
park into that area.
He stated there were
If there was to be a park-like
3im Boone, 3955 Skyline Road, representing the Monterey
Howeowners, stated he had lived in the Monterey
Condominium Complex and after moving out, purchased a unit
there.
proposed. This is a difficult site and he agreed with
that. He felt that site did not have to be utilized to
the maximum and this project would be far too intense on
that small a parcel. Mr. Boone stated he wanted the
village atmosphere to be followed in that area and this
would certainly not follow the quidelines. As far as the
parking proposed on Lincoln Street, Mr. Boone stated if
the City were giving that much property away, the Monterey
Condominium Complex would like to apply for some.
He stated he was in opposition to the project as
Tom Knipstein, Escondido, stated Mr. Boone is President of
the Homeowners Association and he is the Vice-president.
He stated they were all proud of the Monterey Condominium
Complex, the building and their ownership. He stated he
was in opposition to this proposed project, as it will
detract from the home all of these people have there. The
parking and the development itself are overscaled for what
the property would reasonably hold, and although it is
supposed to help carry on the village atmosphere, he felt
it would not accomplish that. He suggested perhaps the
applicant should buy vacant land in other spots to provide
ample parking, but should not expect the City to give him
the area needed for parking. There are lots available
nearby that the applicant could purchase.
Beth Trent, 2429 Windward Circle, addressed the Board in
opposition to this project, stating she was one of the
original owners in the condominium complex.
the Monterey Complex is a lovely spot and in character
with the area. She felt this proposed project would take
away from the character of Carlsbad instead of enhancing
it. It would certainly not be wise to have a parking lot
as an entrance.
She stated
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DEPARTMENTAL: (continued)
Edwin Trent, 2429 Windward Circ
stating if the City of Thousand
street for a parking lot, the c
e, spoke before the Board
Oaks would give anyone a
ty would be sued.
Bea Nelson, 1024 So. Clementine, Oceanside, representing
the Monterey Condominium Complex as the Manager of the
Association, addressed the Board in opposition to this
project. She referred to the packet of petitions she had
received from condominium owners and presented them as
part of the record. She read from the petition addressed
to the Design Review Board giving the itemized statement
of objections, as follows:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
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11.
The proposal requires that the City of Carlsbad give
away a large area of public land (west 1/2 of Lincoln
Street) to help the applicant meet parking, set-back
and driveway standards.
The Eastern 1/2 of Lincoln Street would also be used
to help the developer meet these standards at the
expense of the Monterey Complex.
The Monterey would
street.
The Monterey would
spaces.
ose its frontage on a public
ose approximately 12 parking
The Monterey would lose view and ocean breezes.
The Monterey would lose visiibility from Carlsbad
Boulevard with negative impact for condos being
rented.
The developer's trash-bin area is proposed for
placement directly in front of the Monterey, against
our curb.
The proposed hedge in our parkway would make it
impossible to bring in tree-trimming equipment
necessary to trim our tall palms, and access by fire
or other emergency equipment would be difficult.
The lovely old eucalyptus trees on the West side of
Lincoln are earmarked for removal, and we would
instead be looking across the street into the rear-
ends of 10 carports.
Three Monterey garages opening on Lincoln Street
would have access only thorugh a parking lot, and
could be blocked by cars parking in undesignated
areas.
Monterey property values would be adversely affected
by proposed development.
Mrs. Nelson continued, stating two units had been sold and
were in escrow at the time she sent a copy of the proposed
plan to the new owner. When they received those, escrow
had closed on one unit, but the purchase of the other unit
was dropped. It was felt the property would be devaluated
if this project were allowed to be built.
MEMBERS Y
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DEPARTMENTAL: (continued)
Mrs. Nelson stated another factor was their condominium
complex has a second trash area at the north end of their
garages, enclosed with a fence. She stated she had not
been able to figure out how the trash would be able to be
picked up with the proposed project.
Fran Yarbrough, 3112 Lincoln Street, stated she lives on
the southeast corner and there are a number of new
apartments on Lincoln Street. She felt it was important
to be able to access to Elm Avenue. The emergency
vehicles use that intersection every day, and it would be
a dangerous situation if it were closed.
John Grant spoke in opposition to this project as the
owner of property on the corner where the liquor store and
taco stand are located. He has many customers that come
from the south and flow into the traffic on Lincoln
Street, and he would be destressed to see that closed.
stated he was strongly opposed to the City closing that
street. If the City can buy Hosp Grove, why not
condemnation proceedings with an equitable amount of money
paid for that parcel and then open that up as a parkway.
There is a fountain down in that area and that would be
just a gorgeous area near the beach on a very prominent
corner. Mr. Grant concluded, stating there could even be
a statue in that area to beautify it.
He
Roy Berd, Skyline Road, owns property at 325 Oak Avenue,
and spoke in opposition to the project, stating they would
have to exit through the east portion of the parking lot
and it would be very detrimental to close Lincoln Street
to through traffic.
Paul Mandrick, 3080 Lincoln #3, spoke in opposition to the
proposed project, stating she objects to giving the street
for a parking area. She stated she has lived in the front
unit for five years, and there have been no accidents at
that corner. She was concerned about the safety in the
parking lot. She stated it would not be safe for single
women to come into the Monterey Condominium Complex
through this parking lot.
between the cars at the present time, and if the street
were closed off, this would encourage this type of
activity even more so. She asked how many stories would
be in the proposed building and staff answered one
building would have one story and one building would be
two story with tucked-in parking at the back side of the
unit.
There are transients who sleep
Since no one else wished to speak on this item, the public
testimony was concluded at 5:53 p.m.
Member McCoy stated the project was too dense and it would
not be fair to take a public street for private
enterprise. He stated he could not approve this project
and felt the building should be reduced as far as square
footage using their own parking.
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DEPARTMENTAL : (cont inued )
Member Hall asked staff about their recommendation for the
possible closing of Lincoln Street. Staff indicated the
traffic study determined no significant changes would be
caused by the closure of Lincoln Street.
would be re-destributed and would move to Carlsbad
Boulevard and Oak Avenue. The consultant said when the
warrants are met, there would be a signal at Carlsbad
Boulevard and Oak Avenue or Carlsbad Boulevard and Pine
Avenue.
The traffic
Ms. Landers stated Marty Bouman had reviewed the analysis
and had no problem with the conclusion, with a suggested
pedistrian overpass at Carlsbad Boulevard and Oak Avenue
instead of a signal.
Assistant City Attorney Ron Ball stated the question of
the street vacation would be another hearing with specific
findings.
Member Hall stated he liked the project and felt the theme
followed the same theme as the Carlsbad Inn across the
street. He did not like the parking lot situation, but it
could be a benefit to all of the residents in that area if
it were properly done. He felt Lincoln Street was not a
safe access to Carlsbad Boulevard. Member Hall stated he
would like to see the applicant ask for a continuance and
work with the neighbors to come to an understanding.
Chairman Rombotis stated the project was too intense and
he would like to see the City tell the Board definitely
whether are not they were going to close Lincoln Street.
Chairman Rombotis stated this project was not viable.
In staff's opinion, it would be better served to have
Lincoln Street closed. They felt this is not a desirable
intersection.
Member McCoy stated Oak Avenue and Carlsbad Boulevard is
another poor intersection.
Design Review Board adopted the following Resolution:
RESOLUTION NO. 098, DENYING A REDEVELOPMENT PERMIT TO
CONSTRUCT TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON PROPERTY GENERALLY
LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF LINCOLN STREET, OAK AVENUE
AND CARLSBAD BOULEVARD. This project was denied without
prejudice.
Member Hall at first voted "no", due to a
misunderstanding, but changed his vote to ''yes1', making
the vote unanimous.
Chairman Rombotis reminded the applicant any decision the
Design Review Board makes is appealable to the City
Council.
Rombot is
Hall
McCoy
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DEPARTMENTAL : (continued)
2. RP 87-3 - COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTER - Request for a
minor redevelopment permit to operate a thrift store
at the northwest corner of Roosevelt Street and Oak
Avenue.
This item was continued to April 15, 1987.
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of April 1, 1987,
was adjourned to April 13, 1987, at 1O:OO a.m., at the
Beach Terrace, for a workshop.
Respectfully submitted,
CHRIS SALOMONE
Community Redevelopment Manager
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
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