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MINUTES
DESIGN REVIEH BOARD (Regular Meeting)
Time of Meet,ng: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: November 2, 1988
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Hall called the Meetinq to order at 5:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chairman Hall, Board Members McCoy, McFadden,
Rombotis and Schramm.
Absent: None.
Staff Present: Chris Salomone, Housing & Redevelopment
Direct or
Patty Cratty, Senior Management Analyst
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE was led by Chairman Hall.
DESIGN REVIEN BOARD PROCEDURES:
Chairman Hall read the Procedures as a transparency
showing them was projected for the audience.
PUBLIC COMMENT:
There were no requests to address the Board.
PUBLIC HEARING:
1. - RP 88-3 CARLSBAD INN
Chris Salomone explained this item which involved tennis
courts by the railroad tracks had been withdrawn by the
applicant
DEPARTMENTAL/CONTINUED:
2. BUSINESS LICENSE
Business license for the Village Eatery, located at the
Carlsbad Inn (Formerly Norby's Bakery) continued from
Board Meeting of October 19, 1988.
Chris Salomone gave the presentation as contained in the
staff report, using transparencies to show the site and
the parking.
project and the lack of parking for the restaurant
located at this site. The project was 23 parking spaces
short and they were told to create that additional
parking before the second phase of condominiums were
built. The Grunnion Run Restaurant was closed and
changed to a bakery--retail use--which was the use
designated for that building.
He gave the history of the Carlsbad Inn
The bakery has now discontinued business and it has
become the Village Eatery. Staff heard concerns from
Board Members and others in the community about what
constituted a bona fide deli or a restaurant. Mr.
Salomone stated he held up the permit to bring this
matter before the Board. He said a delicatessen is not
defined in Carlsbad's code, but the history has been
that a deli is, primarily, a take-out restaurant where
on-site eating is incidental, with no service to the
tables and a retail operation. Food has been pre-
prepared and none is prepared to order.
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Mr. Salomone stated that the outdoor patio area did not
require parking as part of a retail space and was
classified as a deck or patio.
Mr. Salomone said the business 1-icense is beina held up
pending approval, and because of the concerns of Board
Members and members of the community, staff felt it better to try to define what use should go in that
area. He said if the Board directed him to put
conditions on this request, he would, and then bring it
forward on a minor permit request with those
conditions.
In answer to query regarding the patio, staff indicated
it was approved as open space when the original
restaurant was approved.
Board Member McCoy stated he was concerned about the
upstairs area.
and restrictions must be put on to make certain there
is nothing more than retail in that area.
There is still a parking problem there
Members Rombotis and McFadden stated they had met with
the applicant on-site.
Eric Siegel, Carlsbad Inn, 3001 Carlsbad Boulevard,
stated he was present to answer questions.
distributed copies of a diagram showing the proposed
deli area and patio, and explained they want a deli operation for the homeowners and guests at the Inn. He
said food is necessary on a retail basis for people
living in the time share units and for meetings being
held at the Inn. Mr. Siegel expressed the desire to
expand the room service portion of the hotel and
stressed the bulk of the business would be in-house.
He
Mr. Siegel stated there would be between 8 and 11
tables out on the patio, and that patio is open to Carlsbad Boulevard for anyone to enter there.
In answer to query about cooking hamburgers, Mr. Siegel
said most items are pre-prepared, and he was not
certain whether hamburgers would remain on the menu.
Member Schramm further inquired about large parties in
the area and whether that was a permitted use.
indicated that incidental parties outside would be all
right, but if that became a regular practice, that
would be a problem.
that area as a party room, he said it was in their ad,
but would be removed.
Staff
Hhen asked whether they advertised
David Brown, Vice President and General Manager of
Operations of Hinners Circle, 3001 Carlsbad Boulevard,
stated there were four meetina rooms on the property. He said there is a mix of business--tourism, corporate business and group business.
for meetings is now taken up with the sales force
offices. Mr. Brown said that should be finished this
summer, and the upstairs will be opened up to book
group business into the hotel. He added that there are
from 600 to 1,200 people on-site having food needs
at different times.
A great deal of the space
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Mr. Siegel stated the hours of operation would be until
6:OO p.m. during the week and to 8:OO p.m. on weekends,
and with morning opening to service the business people, it would probably be from 6:OO a.m. He said that retail
operations may require longer hours, but the food service
would be cut off.
Member McFadden inquired about the selling of wine and
liquor and consuming that on-site. Mr. Siegel stated they would like to be unrestricted to apply for both
both on-site and off, but he didn't know whether that was
possible. Member McFadden stated there are 14 bar seats
around the kiosk and self-service counter and that could
become a bar situation in open space. She said she was
not opposed to buying or taking wine or liquor to the
room, but she did not want it consumed on-site where it
was not in a facility. She also commented that the name
of "Village Eatery'' was not appropriate and should be
changed.
Member McCoy asked whether there had been any dicussion
about the parking, and Mr. Siegel stated they intended to
go with an off-site parking facility of 50 to 75 spaces
for employees. He said they use valet parking under the
hotel to maximize the space. The sales office personnel
and the people visiting the sales office creates a
shortage of parking spaces which will be alleviated by
next summer. Mr. Siegel stated firmly they intend to
control the employee parking more closely.
Member McCoy stated they should think about the parking
problem and stated his concerns about the patio becoming
a bar and the inside a restaurant. He added that he
wanted restrictions to keep this business from expanding.
Member Rombotis stated he would limit the hours of
operation to approximately 6:OO a.m. to 8:OO p.m., with
serving to rooms 24 hours a day.
to come in off of the street for food or beverage
service, and would limit the alcohol sales to prevent
turning the patio into a bar. Mr. Rombotis stated he
would like an exact floor plan to be submitted, and would
limit the number of tables, with no direct table service. It should be kept a true deli.
He did not want people
Member Schramm concurred, and added that she would not
want beer or wine served on the premises--only for take-
back to the rooms or condos. She also wanted to make
certain they no longer included in the ad in the Carlsbad
3ournal that they booked parties. The food service
should be closed early and the retail stay open to 1O:OO
p .m.
Member Rombotis added that any advertising about booking
for parties should be out-of-state and not local.
Member McFadden stated she wanted a parking plan and
designated parking for the employees.
on-going problem with this facility and she would like to
see this Board take the necessary steps to solve it. She
would like to know exactly how many parking spaces they
need. Member Schramm concurred with that request.
This has been an
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Chairman Hall stated he was having difficulty thinking of
this as a deli.
food service and a kitchen on-site. The parking is
deficient, and to address this the Board needs to go back
and say the parking is a problem; identify it and decide
what they are going to do about it. Mr. Hall felt that
in six months, the same problem could be back again. He
would like to see a parkinq facility off-site.
He did not know of any other deli with
As far as the upstairs and its use, Chairman Hall said
that will only compound the parking problems. Also, the
tables out on the patio make it something more than a
deli. He concluded, stating he would have a problem
supporting this request.
Chris Salomone stated he would look into the deli
definition and calculate the parking needed with the
patio and without it.
Member McFadden stated if they were going to use the
patio, it must be calculated for parking, or don’t use
it. She suggested staff return this item to the Board
with conditions for a minor redevelopment permit and see
what can be worked out.
Chris Salomone summarized, stating he would return with a
minor redevelopment permit addressing certain conditions
and options, including: hours of operation, 6:OO a.m. to
8:OO p.m. for the food and to 1O:OO p.m. for groceries;
outside advertising restricted locally; liquor or wine
condition to specify not by glass, but on-site package to
rooms: floor plan: no table service; limit number of
tables by the floor plan: overall parking plan for
complete facility, with some sort of a guest/employee
parking future plan specifically to include the sales
office and the upstairs patio;
but not including outdoor eating.
parking for outdoor patio
Chairman Hall requested the original conditions of
approval for the project site.
Design Review Board returned this item to staff and
requested it be returned with conditions for a minor
redevelopment permit. The conditions to include all
items mentioned above.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Minutes of the Regular Meeting held October 25, 1988,
were approved as presented.
Hall
McCoy
McFadden
Rombot is
Schramm
Hall
McCoy
McFadden
Rombo t is
Schramm
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Design Review Board, by Minute Motion, requested staff
to develop criteria definition of a deli as opposed to a
restaurant.
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of November 2, 1988, was
adjourned at 5:55 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
CHRIS SALO~O~E
Housing and Redevelopment Director
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
Hall
McCoy
McFadden
Rombot is
Sch r amm