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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
lime of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: February 9, 1987
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
\ COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Robertson called the meeting to order at 5:05 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chairman Robertson, Commissioners Blackford,
Christiansen and Howard-Jones.
Absent - Commissioner Swenson.
Staff Present:
Patricia Cratty, Senior Management Analyst/Redevelopmen
Brian Hunter, Associate Planner
Kip McBane, Ex-Officio Member
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the January 12, 1987, meeting were
approved as presented.
OLD BUSINESS/CONTINUED ITEMS:
1. Carlsbad Theater
This item was trailed until later in the meeting.
2. H-I Carlsbad School District Office
Patty Cratty reported that at Friday's meeting with the
School District, the structural engineers report
determined the structures are not worth salvaging and
should be vacated immediately. The proposal was to have
the City buy the property, build the buildings, with the
City to pay for property later.
blend in with the neighborhood, and it is hoped that some
of the facade could be saved to help maintain the flavor
of the original structures.
Chairman Robertson stated all of the Commissioners wished
to keep in touch with the negotiations between the School
District and the City.
The architecture is to
Commissioner Christiansen requested ongoing information be
supplied to this Comission with regard to plans and
design. '
John Cahill is the Project Manager, and Ms. Cratty will
send a letter to him and Assistant City Manager Frank
Mannen to keep this Commission informed. The site should
be marked as a Historic Point of Interest. Ms. Cratty
said the same documentation is done for a Point of
Interest as for Historic Sites. Staff has interpreted the
Ordinance that way and would hope to have video,
photographs and any written history before the site is
destroyed.
Commissioner Howard-3ones suggested Ms. Cratty write a
letter to the School Board.
Chairman Robertson stated the Planning Department should
be informed as far as making this a part of the EIR.
Robert son
Blackford
Christiansen
Howard-Jones
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Commissioner Blackford stated he would like the
documentation on sites to be as complete as possible.
The Commissioners felt a memorandum to Assistant City Manager Frank Mannen should express the appreciation of
this Commission for the decision-making on this project
being done in a thorough manner by obtaining a structural
analysis. The Commission would like to encourage that in
the future.
Ms. Cratty stated the action at the next meeting would be
to adopt the Resolution recommending the Pine Street
school site a Historic Point of Interest.
3. Archeological Site - Confidentiality Agreement
Patty Cratty reported the Confidentiality Agreement had
been discussed and a copy of that form was included in the
packet. This form has been sent to the City Attorney for his perusal and he had no problem with the agreement.
Chairman Robertson inquired who would keep the file, and
staff stated it would be kept in the Planning Department.
Brian Hunter stated he could speak for the Planning
Department, and he had discussed this with the Assistant
Planning Director and the Planning Director.
problem with keeping this confidential file.
They had no
Kip McBane stated a letter should be sent to the Planning
Department stating this Commission is in favor of
initiating this file as soon as possible.
Brian Hunter said the Planning Department's concern was
the legality of a public body having information that was
not available to the public. The method of the file being
kept in the Planning Department is the method to be used.
Staff will refer to the files before anyone is issued a
grading permit. The Confidentiality Agreement is to satisfy the City Attorney and this Commission. When a
development comes in for processing, this agreement will be kept in mind and will be checked against the
confidential records.
Patty Cratty was directed to write the memorandum as
mentioned above.
In answer to query as to whether there was a cost to
obtain these confidential records, staff indicated there was a charge, and it was possible they might have to wait
until after 3uly 1 for money to be included in the
budget.
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4. Paleontological and Archeological Site Procedures
Brian Hunter called attention to the CEQA Process
flowchart, the Environmental Impact Assessment Form, the
Environmental Impact Analysis and the existing
paleontological and archeological limits of what the Planning Department can ask for under the California
Environmental Quality Act guidelines.
attached to the agenda item. Mr. Hunter stated he would
add one thing. By adopting the list of known California
sites from San Diego State, we can apply mitigation for
archeological sites easier. The applicants, when they
file these papers, just automatically check the boxes.
Not all employees on staff have the expertise to be aware
of the known sites and the guidelines.
paleontological condition is all right, but it does not
say when to apply it. Mr. Hunter would like to add a
sentence already approved by Charles Grim, the Assistant
Planning Director. If the Commission agreed, he would add
prior to the issuance of a grading or building permit,
whichever comes first, a soils report would be prepared and submitted to the City of Carlsbad. If this report
indicated there was any potential fossil material, then
there would be a two-phase program. Mr. Hunter stated he
would like to make some kind of immediate fix. If it was felt forms and material were needed from other cities,
this could be added as the Commission determines. He felt through the grading and building permits, this condition
These forms were
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would be picked up by the Planning Department.
Chairman Robertson stated he felt the Commission shou
look at what other cities had done and those could be
incorporated into the present conditions.
Patty Cratty suggested a subcommittee might be formed
gather this material and study it. This subcommittee
could work with staff, and together they could outline
what they felt was necessary for this program. It was
suggested Mr. Roeder and Mr. Demere would certainly be
helpful in working with this information.
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The Committee determined that Member Swenson should work
with staff to develop paleontological guidelines for
Carlsbad.
At this point the Commission returned to Item No. 1 for
discussion.
1. Carlsbad Theater
Michael Normandin, Co-owner of the Carlsbad Theater,
discussed his plans for the rennovation and operation of
the theater. He had photographs taken in the theater and blueprints which the Members of the Commission viewed.
Mr. Normandin told of the panels in the theater where the
murals are contained. He called attention to the
newspaper articles telling of the formal opening of the Carlsbad Theater in February of 1927. The panels
containing the murals have been covered with paint, and it
is not certain whether the murals can be restored or
whether removing the paint will remove the murals. If the
murals cannot be restored, Mr. Normandin would like to duplicate them. He stated there are ten panels with
murals.
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Shawn 3ones, History teacher at Valley 3r. High, has spent
a great deal of time researching the murals and the people
involved. He told of the artist, Alexander William
MacRae. Mr. Jones has now located his granddaughter, who
lives in Poway. She has some of Mr. MacRae's works and
artifacts. Mr. MacRae had been left-handed and had lost
his left arm. He then learned to paint using his right
hand. It is estimated that the oldest paint on the murals
is 55 years old. It was determined the theater was
designed for silent movies, and when sound movies came in,
the theater was not properly equipped.
sacrificed and covered over with paint and material to
help the acoustics.
The murals were
Mr. Normandin feels this is an architectural historic
discovery. He stated he will need financial help to
restore the murals and the theater to the way it was at
its opening in 1927. He hoped to get this theater onto
the National Register, if possible. He felt this could be
a very significant historical site for the City of
Carlsbad. He spoke of perhaps selling some of the
artifacts of the building in order to fund the
restoration.
5. Speakers for Future Meetings
Patty Cratty reported she would invite Geoff Armour,
Assistant Library Director, to speak at the March 9,
meeting .
6. Batiquitos Lagoon Video
This item was continued to the March meeting.
7. Plaques for Historic Sites
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Patty Cratty stated the Commission needed to discuss the
type of plaques they would like to have for the
designation of historic sites.
described a glass-type plaque.
using different materials were discussed, with the
Commission consensus being they would prefer going with
the cast bronze markers that would be more permanent.
They felt a quality plaque would be more economical in the
long run.
Commissioner Howard-3ones
Several types of plaques
Chairman Robertson volunteered to contact members of the
Historic Society who have worked on purchasing plaques.
He will report back to the Commission.
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NEW BUSINESS:
8. Bicentennial of U.S. Constitution
San Diego is going to hold their celebration September
26th. Ms. Cratty questioned whether the Commission would
like to combine this Bicentennial of the United Stated
Constitution with the Carlsbad Centennial Celebration.
The comments made by the Commissioners indicated the
school system should take the responsibility for the U.S.
Constitution Bicentennial Celebration.
to have the City Manager write a letter to the schools
suggesting they organize this celebration.
The suggestion was
DISCUSSION INFORMATIONAL:
9.
The Members reported on the three sites for applications
and Patty Cratty reported the owner of the Carlsbad
Theater would be submitting an application for the
Theater.
Site Applications for Proposed Designation
IO. Carrillo Ranch
Patty Cratty gave an update on Carrillo Ranch, stating the
State is still reviewing applications. At the time
Carlsbad had written letters to lobby for the Carrillo
Ranch, the State Director of Parks and Recreation had
resigned. The State does feel this is a worthwhile
application.
Chairman Robertson suggested Patty Cratty send a letter to
Andrew Richter in Houston, Texas, giving him a report on
the status of the grant for Carrillo Ranch and encourage
his interest. Mr. Richter should be asked for any
information he may have regarding Carrillo Ranch.
11. Santa Fe Depot
Patty Cratty gave an update on the Depot, stating an
architect had been hired and the restoration will be
starting soon.
12. Village Voice Newsletter
Patty Cratty called attention to the article in the
Village Voice Newsletter entitled Yarlsbad--Its
Beginning", written by Commissioner Christiansen.
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AD30URNMENT :
By proper motion, the Meeting of February 9, 1987, was
adjourned at 7:25 p.m.
Preservation Commission will be held at the Safety
Center.
The next meeting of the Historic
Respectfully submitted,
PATRICIA CRATTY
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
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