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Meeting of HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: April 11, 1988
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
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CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Robertson called the Meeting to order at 5:02 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present - Chairman Robertson, Commissioners Blackford,
Howard-Jones, Swenson and Ex-Officio Member
McBane. Commissioner Christiansen arrived
at 5:05 p.m.
Absent - None.
Staff Members Present:
Chris Salomone, Director, Housing &
Lynn Fitzgerald, Management Analyst
Redevelopment
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held March 14, 1988, were
approved as presented.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT:
Chairman Robertson announced the California Historic
Preservation Conference May 19 - 22, 1988, and asked any
Commissioners interested in attending to call Lynn
Fitzgerald.
Chairman Robertson stated that his re-appointment to this
Commission would be before Council tomorrow night and also
the adopting of Resolutions designating the following
historic points of interest:
Offices, St. Michael's By-The-Sea Episcopal Church, Kelly
Barn and Carlsbad Stage Coach Stop.
Resolution designating Alt KarlsbadfFrazier's Well as a
historic landmark.
Carlsbad School District
There will be a
Chairman Robertson announced an application had been
received from the office of the Historic Preservation for
an award category for different projects. Patty Cratty
will file the application for the depot rehabilitation,
and if Carlsbad wins an award, it would be announced at
the Conference.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING:
CALAVERA LAKE AND DAM
Chairman Robertson stated he would recommend this item be
tabled until more information is available and the issues
regarding the property have been settled. The Commission
discussed the property and their desire to have the area
either a historic landmark or a point of interest. Staff
indicated that at this time the site could not be
designated a historic landmark.
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Historic Preservation Commission tabled the Calavera Lake
and Dam item and directed staff to change Resolution 13 to
request a point of interest designation.
Staff was directed to pursue this matter and get some
indication of the time factor involved in resolving the
issues on the Calavera Lake and Dam site.
OLD BUSINESS:
2. CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT
Lynn Fitzgerald reported the office of Historic
Preservation had awarded the City of Carlsbad a grant of
$7,000 from California's allocation for Certified Local
Governments from the National Historic Preservation Fund.
Staff recommended $3,500 of this fund be used for the
Historic Survey and the other $3,500 be used to develop the
Archeological and Paleontological Guidelines for the
Historic Preservation Ordinance. She added that the
expanded listing of CLG status would involve the City of
Carlsbad doing the work now done by the Office of Historic
Preservation, and since funds are very limited, staff felt
the City should not look at the expanded listing. The City
would inform the Historic Preservation office that they
wished to be on the standard form at this time.
Historic Preservation Commission recommended spending
$3,500 for the Historic Survey and $3,500 for development
of the Archeological and Paleontological Guidelines for
the Historic Preservation Ordinance.
Staff will investigate whether the City could request an
expanded listing at a later date and bring that
information to the next meeting.
TOOTSIE K RANCH SIGN
Lynn Fitzgerald gave the staff report, showing photographs
taken of the Tootsie K Ranch Sign. She stated she had
attended the Parks & Recreation Commission Meeting March
21, and the Commission voted five to one for relocation of
the sign. They would like this item to go before the
Design Review Board and the Risk Manager.
Chris Salomone stated he would oversee taking this item
before the Design Review Board.
he wanted to be certain Steve Densham was in agreement to
have the sign moved onto his property. Staff indicated
there is a letter from Mrs. Grosse giving permission to
the City to take the sign. However, the debris in front
of the sign must be removed before the sign can be moved.
Chris Salomone suggested perhaps the Grosses' would remove
the debris and invoice the City. Chairman Robertson added
that any restoration of the sign should be done at the
same time the sign is moved. Chris Salomone stated the
rehabilitation of Rotary Park is conditioned to be done as
part of the Village Faire project, and the cost of the
moving of the sign would be paid by the Redevelopment
Agency.
Chairman Robertson stated
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The consensus of the Commission was that the sign
itself was the important item, and if the spikes on the
gate had to be changed, that could be done. The
maintenance of the sign would be the responsibility of
the Parks & Recreation Department.
CARRILLO RANCH - ARBORETUM PROPOSAL
Lynn Fitzgerald reported on the presentation made by Mrs. Catherine Daugherty and Dr. Andrew Wilson at the
Parks & Recreation Commission March meeting. The Local
Facilities Plan for Zone 18 must be approved before
any action can take place on this proposal.
Fitzgerald suggested a letter be written to Parks &
Recreation about reforming the committee for input into
Carrillo Ranch development.
query regarding the status of the rehabilitation of the
buildings, Ms. Fitzgerald stated the RFP is being re-
written at this time. This commission will review the
proposals and make recommendations.
Ms.
In answer to Commission
Commissioner Blackford suggested it might be a waste of
staff time to write a letter to Parks & Recreation at
this time.
three-Commission effort on Carrillo Ranch, and suggested
a letter to both Commissions, Arts and Parks &
Recreation, stating the interest of this Commission in
re-activating the committee when action starts on this
site.
Carrillo Ranch might be "swallowed up" by the arboretum
project and some of the historic value lost. The
Commissioners agreed this Commission should also work
with the Arboretum Foundation on any project they
propose, and any group interested in using that site
should be included in discussions. The Commission felt
they wanted close communication with the Arboretum
Foundation and Commissioner Howard-Jones stated she
would ask them to keep this Commission informed.
He felt there should be a way to develop
Concern was expressed by Commissioners that
GAUS HOUSE - UNION CHURCH RELOCATION PR03ECT
Chairman Robertson referred to the information
contained in the packet.
had talked with Bob Herring and referred to the copies
of the newspaper ads advertising the Gaus House.
stated that two applications had been submitted and
staff would like to have direction from the Commission
as to the method of review for the applicants to
determine who will receive the Gaus House. The
question was brought up as to whether the applicants
would be willing to have a historic landmark
designation placed on the house, and Ms. Fitzgerald
said that was not on the application form and the
applicants would need to be informed of that
requirement. The suggestion was made to send the
applicants a copy of the Ordinance and say that was the
criteria for receiving the house. The consensus of the
Commission was that more information was needed than
was requested on the form; specifically, what
modifications the applicant deemed necessary to make
this a suitable structure for them--interior and
exterior, with a diagram showing what they proposed.
Lynn Fitzgerald stated she
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Chris Salomone stated the applicant would have to provide
an application for the house move to the Planning
Department and that would have site plan, elevations, etc.
The Commissioners agreed the short-range goal was to save
the house and, hopefully, have it designated a historic
landmark. Commissioner Christiansen stated the Historic
Society suggested the building be moved to the property
with the mseum on a temporary basis, as the sand castle
does not qualify as a structure. The Commissioners
reiterated their concerns about needing to review what
modifications were recommended before the applicants come
to the May meetinu.
Historic Preservation Commission recommended sendina a copy
of the Historic Preservation Element to any applicants for
the Gaus House and a letter inviting them to the May 9
meeting, where they should be prepared to make a
presentation telling of the modifications, if any, they plan
for the house. The Element was to be for their
information only.
RECESS :
Chairman Robertson declared
Commission re-convened at 7
present.
a Recess at 6:56 p.m., and the
09 p.m., with all Members
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION WORKSHOP
Lynn Fitzgerald recommended that instead of a workshop
that the Commission plan a joint meeting with City
Council. There is no budget to allow for funding of a
workshop. Chairman Robertson asked the Commissioners to
call Council Members and lobby for a budget and inform
them of the good things this Commission has accomplished.
The Commission has gotten grants and brought money into
the City, but has no budget.
Ms. Fitzgera1.d suggested each Commissioner submit
suggestions to her for items to be covered at the June
meeting, and they will plan for the Commission workshop at
that time. The Chairman will make up an agenda.
CULTURAL RESOURCE SEMINAR
Chairman Robertson reported he felt this was a good
seminar.
Engineering do not have all the information they need and
this Commission needs to supply that to them.
Commissioner Blackford said Planning and
LANDMARK AND CULTURAL HERITAGE COMMISSIONS WORKSHOP AND
CONSULTATION
Commissioner Howard-Jones reported on the workshop,
stating that most of the groups are trying to find an
answer to the communication problem, which is as important
as the education of the public. She stated she had some
research items that should be discussed at the planninq
session. She also felt the Commission should join SOHO.
The suggestion was made to assess the demolition of dates
on curb cuts when the survey is made, and decide whether
there are other items that should be saved.
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MAY CALENDAR
Sites List
Calavera Lake and Dam Point of Interest
CLG question whether status can be re-established at a later
Choose a Date for 3oint Meeting with Council
Commissioners Submit Additional Items for Workshop
date
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of April 11, 1988, was
adjourned at 8:03 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
LYNN FITZGERALD
Management Analyst
Harriet t Babbitt
Minutes Clerkk