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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: May 9, 1988
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
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CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Robertson called the Meeting to order at 5:03 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present - Chairman Robertson, Commissioners Blackford,
Christiansen, Howard-3ones and Swenson.
Absent - Ex-Officio Member Kip McBane.
Staff Members Present:
Chris Salomone, Director, Housing &
Lynn Fitzgerald, Management Analyst
Patty Cratty, Senior Management Analyst
Mike Howes, Senior Planner
Dave Bradstreet, Director, Parks &
Redevelopment
Recreation
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held April 11, 1988, were
approved as presented.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING:
1. H-14 - CALAVERA LAKE AND DAM
To approve the Resolution for Calavera Lake and Dam
Historic Point of Interest.
Chairman Robertson reported the landmark designation was
not possible at this time and a Resolution has been drawn
up for a Historic Point of Interest. A transparency was
used to show the site.
Chairman Robertson opened the public hearing at 5:05 p.m.,
and issued the invitation to speak. Since no one wished to
speak on this matter, the public hearing was closed.
Dave Bradstreet, Parks & Recreation Director, reported this
property contains 250 acres, and the dam was built in the
1940's and the water was used for irrigation until in the
1960's.
water entity and there is an agreement that if the property is sold or leased, the money would go to the rehabilitation
of the downtown Carlsbad water system.
The property is owned by the City of Carlsbad
Mr. Bradstreet reported the possibility of a golf course in
that area was before the Parks & Recreation Commission and
they directed staff to put the RFP on hold until after the
3une election to see what happened on the TOT vote.
Robertson
Blackford
Christiansen
Howard-3ones
Swenson
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Historic Preservation Commission adopted the following
Resolution :
RESOLUTION NO. 13, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CALAVERA LAKE
AND DAM AS A HISTORIC POINT OF INTEREST.
PUBLIC HEARING:
2. H-15 RAMSAY HOUSE
Determine if the Ramsay House meets criteria for
designation as a Historic Landmark.
Lynn Fitzgerald gave the staff report as contained in the
packet, using a transparency to show the site. She
distributed photographs taken of the Ramsay House.
Chairman Robertson opened the public hearing at 5:15 p.m.,
and issued the invitation to speak.
speak on this item, the public hearing was closed.
Since no one wished to
Commissioner Howard-Jones commented the Commission needed
to be aware that the windows in the dining room had been
replaced, but the original windows were still there and
perhaps they should be saved.
Historic Preservation Commission adopted the following
Resolution:
RESOLUTION NO. 14, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE RAMSAY
HOUSE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
INFORMATIONAL:
CHAIRMAN REPORT
Chairman Robertson stated he had no report at this time.
OLD BUSINESS:
3. CARRILLO RANCH/ARBORETUM UPDATE
Dave Bradstreet gave the initial report on this item, using
a transparency to show the site and a wall map to show the
park master plan.
be installed to Carrillo Ranch, through Carrillo Way and
Melrose, and he designated the proposed open space corridor
on the master plan, which would include the Carrillo Ranch
area and/or arboretum, and the La Costa Ranch area by Alga
Norte, on through to the lagoon.
He explained how access would probably
Mr. Bradstreet reported Mrs. Daugherty had indicated they
wanted the Carrillo Ranch as part of the arboretum. At the
time the Parks & Recreation Commission discussed this
proposal, there was discussion about the liability problem
and questions regarding maintenance and operation. The
question arose whether the area would be private or open to
the general public.
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The Parks 8 Recreation Commission voted 4 to 1 to accept the
arboretum proposal in concept, with the recommendation that
the Planning Department consider the proposal during the
master plan process for Carrillo Estates. He stated the
main problem was acquiring the land. The property owners in
the area proposed for the arboretum were willing to listen
to the proposal, but wanted to be given credit for park land
dedication. That was a problem that would have to be worked
out.
Mr. Bradstreet stated the Carrillo Master Plan is due
for funding in the 1992-97 CIP, with two million
dollars in the budget for restoration at that time. He
stressed the fact that Carrillo Ranch was not to be an
active park--only for special resources.
Mike Howes continued the report, stating no work could
be done on this plan until Zone 18 Local Facilities
Management Plan had been completed. He said more
details were necessary to make certain the foundation
was somethina that would succeed and not fall by the
wayside.
Mr. Howes stated the City would like to get the
parcel that was to be a school site, and add that to the
Carrillo Ranch parcel, for a community park. If the
City had that 17-acre parcel, they would prefer that to
a 45-acre parcel for Alga Norte Park.
Mr. Bradstreet stated the Carrillo Ranch parcel is part
of the Quimby Act, and was deeded to the City. There
is no legal access to the property at this time, with
only an easement available for maintenance. He said
the Parks & Recreation Commission wants to control the
Carrillo Ranch property and the people proposing the arboretum want to control it. The Commission felt
there might be other proposals available that would be
more favorable to the City. The City does not want to
lose control of the Ranch as far as a Historic
Landmark.
The Commissioners expressed concern about being
informed as to what was being done about the Ranch and
asked Mr. Bradstreet to keep this Commission informed
of any activity as far as this property.
Patty Cratty continued the report, stating a grant had
been obtained for this property and the State indicated
the City was to maintain and operate the structures.
State approval was necessary for any alterations to be
made at Carrillo Ranch, and if it were not kept as a
historic structure, it might be necessary to repay the
State the amount of the grant.
Mr. Bradstreet stated the Parks & Recreation Commission
was studying the Element and looking at the word
"privatization" as they now feel the City of Carlsbad is a unique place and perhaps would like to build parks
themselves and contract out the operations rather than
have private industry develop the parks.
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4. GAUS HOUSE APPLICATIONS
Appointment of Gaus House Sub-committee.
Chairman Robertson asked Commissioners Howard-Jones and
Christiansen to be appointed as the Sub-committee to study
the applications for the Gaus House.
5. TOOTSIE K RANCH SIGN
Report on the status of the relocation of the Tootsie
K Ranch Sign.
Lynn Fitzgerald gave the report on this item, stating this
is to go before the Design Review Board and the Risk
Manager. Mr. & Mrs. Grosse, the owners of the Tootsie K
Ranch, are willing to remove the debris from in front of
the sign at the time the sign is to be moved. They feel
this provides some protection for the sign at this time.
6. CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT
Report on the extended classification of the Certified
Local Government status.
Lynn Fitzgerald reported the expanded status could be
requested and activated at any time the City could handle
this in-house.
7. CONCRETE CURB DATES
Report and discussion of the concrete curb date
preservation.
Chairman Robertson reported that Parks & Recreation
Department and Austin, Hansen and Fehlman, the firm
responsible for the streetscape improvements, have been
informed that this Commission would like to have any date
stampings on curbs taken out, saved and re-inserted in the
new sidewalks at the same location.
Mr. Robertson requested staff to contact these people
again if there has been no response within ten days.
Commissioner Swenson stated that at the Alliance Meeting a
change in the wording of the California Historic Building
Code Guidelines from "may" to "shall" had been mentioned in
the section that related to landscapes and sidewalk
preservation. He suggested this be checked to see what the
wording now says with regard to sidewalks.
8. 3UNE WORKSHOP
Discussion of the June Workshop.
Chairman Robertson announced there would be a Workshop
before the 3une meeting. The consensus of the Commission
was to hold the Workshop at 3:30 p.m., and the regular
meeting at 5:OO p.m., on 3une 13, 1988. He requested the
Commissioners submit a proposed agenda either now or later
to Ms. Fitzgerald. One topic proposed was how to get
better communication among the various Commissions. The
San Diego Alliance Meeting items were suggested as topics
for the Workshop. Ms. Fitzgerald stated she has compiled
a packet of accomplishments of the Commission and this is gprt gf the program to be presented to Council in support a udget.
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NEW BUSINESS:
9. CHAIRMAN APPOINTMENT
To appoint a new Chairman to the Historic Preservation
Commission.
Commissioner Blackford was appointed Chairman for the
coming year. Commissioner Robertson will act as President-
Pro Tem for the coming year and Commissioner Howard-3ones
volunteered to assist the new Chairman.
Commissioner Robertson was re-appointed to the Historic
Preservation Commission for a four-year term.
IO. DEPOT AWARD
Report on a S.O.H.O. Award for the Santa Fe Depot.
Lynn Fitzgerald reported that Carlsbad had been awarded the
1988 People in Presentation Award by S.O.H.O. Save Our
Heritage Organization of San Diego. The awards dinner will
be May IO, 1988, and a copy of the newspaper article
regarding this award was circulated to the Commissioners for
their perusal.
attend the dinner.
the Historical Society received a copy of any certificate or
award, as they initiated the rehabilitation of the Depot.
Commissioner Christiansen stated she would
The suggestion was made to make certain
11. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT NOTIFICATION
Review and discussion of the E.I.R. Notification.
Lynn Fitzgerald reported this packet was received three
weeks ago in response to this Commission's request to be
included in the E.I.R. process on the southwest portion of
the existing La Costa Master Plan.
There was Commission query regarding what this Commission
should be looking for and what information they should be
aware of, and staff indicated the Commission should ask any
questions they feel pertinent during the review, as this
Commission will be included in that and their comments will
be included. This is notification for a draft E.I.R.
report, and before the final report is written, this
Commission should make certain all of its questions have
been answered.
12. HISTORIC INVENTORY LIST
Commission may wish to discuss sites for further
designation.
Chairman Robertson suugested the following sites be studied
for a report:
Schutte house - Twin Inns - Mr. Densham should be contacted
with regard to Historic Landmark designation.
Bungalow - 3309 Roosevelt Street
games Kelly Home - Sunny Creek Road
Hart Real Estate Office - 2950 State Street
Grave Site - Leo Carrillo's Horse "Conquistador"
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Chairman Robertson requested staff to write a letter to
Planning to find out whether the cross on the horse's grave
could be moved and whether the owner was willing to have
that done, if it is not on City property.
13. JUNE MEETING AGENDA
Discussion regarding items to be on the June Agenda.
The 3une Agenda will include:
Twin Inns
games Kelly Home
Bungalow at 3309 Roosevelt Street
Hart Real Estate Office
Grave Site - Leo Carrillo's Horse "Conquistador"
Sub-committee will bring their selection for Gaus House
Chairman's report on Conference
Poster for Triathlon
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of May 9, 1988, was adjourned
at 7:05 p.m., to Monday, 3une 13, 1988, at 3:30 p.m., City
Council Chambers, for a Workshop prior to the regular
meeting at 5:OO p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
LYNN FITZGERALD
Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk