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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeti g:
Date of Meeting: August 8, 1988
Place of Meeting:
5:OO p.m.
City Council Chambers
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CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Blackford called the Meeting to order at
5:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present - Chairman Blackford, Commissioners Christiansen,
Robertson and Swenson.
Marcus was present.
Ex-Officio Member Mary
Absent Commissioner Howard-3ones.
Staff Members Present:
Patty Cratty, Senior Management Analyst
Dee Landers, Planning Department
Clyde Wickham, Engineering Department
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Regular Meeting held 3uly 11, 1988,
were approved as amended to show Commissioner Howard-
3ones asking for the status of the Ward house under Item 87, Historic Inventory List.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT:
None.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. ARBORETUM PROPOSAL
Mrs. Catherine Daugherty gave an update of her arboretum
proposal for Carrillo Ranch and the surrounding area,
distributing a list of objectives and a map showing the
area. She stated they had no plans to use the buildings
on the Ranch, but would like to see them restored and
preserved.
Mrs. Daugherty stated the Foundation now has a tax-
exempt status from the State of California and should
soon have that same status from the IRS.
would go out to get pledges on a contingency basis. The
Members of the Foundation felt it was up to the City and
the developers to negotiate on donation of the land.
Mrs. Daugherty said the Parks & Recreation Commission
endorsed the proposal, but not the Foundation in
particular. The traffic circulation has not been
discussed with the City at this time.
She said they
Mrs. Daugherty assured the Commission it was not the
intent of the Foundation to "swallow up" the Ranch, but
to preserve and restore the area.
2. CROSS AND GRAVE SITE/MELROSE AVENUE
Dee Landers gave a brief history of the grave site and
used transparencies and slides to show the site and the Local Zone Plan indicating the Ranch is in Zone 18.
said that Melrose would divide the ranch area and
indicated the cross which supposedly marks the grave of
Leo Carrillo's horse, Conquistador.
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Ms. Landers said there were two alternatives with
regard to the grave site--one, it could be left intact;
two, it could be excavated and recovered.
Ms. Landers continued the report, stating the Planning
Department has several applications for that area; one
being the Scripps Hospital and another a residential
development. However, nothing can be built until the
Zone Plan for Zone 18 is approved.
Clyde Wickham continued the report, showing a slide of
the proposed alignment of Melrose, stating it will be a
prime arterial, and indicating the cut on the side of
the road where the grave is located would be
approximately six feet lower than the base of the grave
site.
Dee Landers stated it was hoped to leave the reparian
area in a natural state and plant eucalyptus trees to
serve as a buffer.
Chairman Blackford asked whether a retaining wall could
be built close to the bottom of the slope, and Mr.
Wickham stated that was feasible. Chairman Blackford
inquired about re-locating the site at that spot, but at
a lower elevation. Ms. Landers stated the mitigation in
the EIR was for relocation of the cross. She added the
developer had agreed to relocate the grave to the Ranch
site.
Commissioner Robertson stated that when development
occurs, the grave site should be investigated and moved
onto the Ranch. Ms. Landers said that recommendation
should be on file.
Joan Kindle stated that in her opinion the grave should
be removed to the Ranch site to be part of the story to
be told about Leo Carrillo. She felt if the grave were
left where it is, it would not be part of the story.
Historic Preservation Commission recommended sending a
letter to Mike Holzmiller, Planning Department Director,
stating that this Commission desires that if and when
Melrose goes through or a site plan is submitted on the
property east of Melrose, that the developer be required
to investigate the grave site and move it on to the
Carrillo Ranch--either the entire thing or the cross and
adobe base.
The Commission discussed the choosing of a site for the
relocation of the grave and Patty Cratty said that as
soon as the architect is chosen, he should be told about
the grave site and four or five sites should be
selected. Chairman Blackford stated that Carrillo
wanted the horse on high ground and it should be placed
on a high spot near the Ranch and visible from the
Ranch building .
3. SHIPLEY-WARD HOUSE
Patty Cratty reported that St. Michael's Church owns the
site and sold the building to the developer.
was then remodeled and an addition made without permits.
The house was red-tagged by the City and no further work
has been done by that develo er.
strucfure is unsafe.
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The consensus of the Commission was that this building
was lost as far as preservation, but the site should be
designated. Commissioner Swenson stated something
needed to happen to ensure this not happening again.
The decision of the Commission was to go to the church
and document what they could for a point of interest.
4. LAKESIDE WORKSHOP
Patty Cratty announced there would be a one-day
workshop August 27, 1988. Commissioners Swenson and
Christiansen will attend, and any other Commissioners
that can attend, were invited to do so.
5. DEPOT INTERIOR RENOVATION
Patty Cratty reported the Rotary Club has been working
on the interior of the depot, particularly the freight
room, to return it to the original state.
6. SUB-COMMITTEE REPORTS
Chairman Blackford announced that Commissioner Howard-
3ones has a mock-up on the exhibit to be placed in
Calavera Park and this will be presented at the
September meeting.
Patty Cratty stated that there are no plans for the
workshop with Council at this time. The Commission
needs to discuss the format for that meeting.
Commissioner Robertson showed a layout of a tri-fold
brochure and added he felt it should be 11 x 17 in
size. This would be sent to property owners to get
them to sign consent forms for Historic Preservation.
Chairman Blackford stated he would work with the joint
workshop committee and report back to the Commission in
September.
7. HISTORIC RESOURCE/SITE DESIGNATION
Stonecutter's House, 327 Beech Street - Commissioner
Robertson stated he felt the Commission should be
looking at the equipment and deciding where it could be
placed.
pursue getting this site designated as a point of
interest and the donation of the equipment.
Commissioner Christiansen stated she would
Patty Cratty said Calavera Lake and the Ramsey House
will go to Council August 23 or September 6 for
designa tion.
Commissioner Robertson is still working on the James
Kelly site designation and will report in September.
NEW BUSINESS:
8. HISTORIC AND ARCHEOLOGY GRANT PROGRAM
Patty Cratty announced staff would ask for more money
for the Carrillo Ranch project and the consensus of the
Commission was to agree with this choice for grant
funds. Ms. Cratty will check to see if there is
possibly an archeological site on the Ranch.
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The suggestion was made to request grant money for
archeological and paleontological guidelines.
9. CARRILLO RANCH GRANT
Patty Cratty announced that eight RFP's were sent out,
and four had been received. Staff will evaluate the
proposals and determine the proposal to accept.
Commissioner Robertson read a letter from the student who
had researched the Carrillo Ranch and she included a
draft report. She felt someone should do more work on this, and stated the students donated their time free for
this work. Commissioner Robertson volunteered to write
to Tom Hatten to try to obtain more information about
the Ranch.
IO. HISTORIC PRESERVATION NEWSLETTER
Patty Cratty called attention to the Small Town
Conference to be held Sesptember 14 - 16, 1988, in La
3o11a. She suggested signing up one person and the
Commissioners taking turns attending. Commissioner
Robertson will attend the Thursday session and
Commissioner Swenson will attend on Friday.
11. SEPTEMBER AGENDA
Update on interior of depot
Stonecutter's Cottage
Brochure for Calavera Park
Plans for Rotary Park (September or October)
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of August 8, 1988,
was adjourned at 7:Ol p.m., to the workshop at Lakeside,
August 27, 1988.
Respectfully submitted,
PATRICIA A. CRATTY
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk