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Meetlng of! HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting:
Place of Meeting:
November 14, 1988
City Council Chambers
COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER ---
Chairman Blackford called the Meeting to order at
5:04 p.m.
ROLL CALL --
Present: Chairman Blackford, Commissioners Christiansen,
Howard-Jones, and Swenson. Commissioner
Robertson arrived at 5:23 p.m.
Absent: Ex-Officio Member Marcus.
Staff Members Present:
Patty Cratty, Senior Management Analyst
Dee Landers, Associate Planner
Mike Howes, Senjor Planner
Chris DeCerbo, Associate Planner
Keith Reverly, Senior Management Analyst
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The Minutes of the Special Meeting held October 17, 1988, were approved as amended.
1. PRESENTATION
Mrs. 3oan Kindle, 2622 El Aguila Lane, read a statement
to the Commission regarding the gift from Maria Halker
and Mrs. Kindle which she presented to the Commission.
The gift was a framed picture of Leo Carrillo.
Kindle distributed artifacts to the Commissioners for
their perusal, but asked that they be returned to her for safe-keeping. She stated these artifacts were
examples of what was available to the City and
represented the types of donations that would be
forthcoming to the City when people realized the Ranch
would be preserved.
Mrs.
The Commission thanked Mrs. Kindle for her gift and the
work she is doing gathering artifacts for Carrillo
Ranch. There was a discussion about how she could
convey to the public that she was authentic and was
doing this with the consent and support of this
Commission. Patty Cratty suggested Mrs. Kindle carry Ms. Cratty's business card and have anyone wishing to
check this call her. Also, the Commissioners' names
could be used and they could be contacted by the public. Commissioner Howard-Jones sugaested a letter of
authorization, and Ms. Cratty will check into that to
see if that is possible.
Historic Preservation Commission recommended written
confirmation be given to 3oan Kindle for authorization
to solicit artifacts/data for the Carrillo Ranch.
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2. PACIFIC RIM ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES
Patty Cratty reported this item was continued from the
October meeting for a status report.
DeCerbo from staff was present and Dale Cleever Hunter,
the Archaeologist on-site.
She said that Chris
Chris DeCerbo stated the EIR was prepared by YtESTEC and
recommended mitigation measures.
to implement the data recovery, which verified the area
should be re-surveyed.
expertise and no process has been established for
checking the reports.
Consultants were hired
There is no staff mmher with
Dale Hunter continued the report, stating she had worked
for YtESTEC and was now employed by RECON, who had been
hired to do the data recovery program for the sites on
this property.
and the problems encountered, which included damage from
agriculture and off-road recreational activity in the
area.
She gave a complete report on the program
There was a discussion about finding storage places for
collections, with others present agreeing this was a
national problem. At this time, San Diego State is no
longer interested in accepting collections, and RESTEC
and RECON both store collections at their own expense.
The consensus of everyone present was that a large museum
was needed to accommodate the archaeological collections.
The suggestion was made to write a letter to Hillman
Properties asking to have copies of the report on the
archaeological sites for a permanent record; also,
suggest to them that a place was needed to store the
findings.
space to store the collection temporarily.
Mike Howes stated the new library might have
This item was continued to the December meeting.
Item 84 was taken out of order at this time.
4. LEO CARRILLO RANCH/GRANT
Patty Cratty reported that money will be forthcoming to
restore the buildings at Carrillo Ranch, and the project
is underway at this time.
Keith Beverly, Parks and Recreation Department, continued
the report, stating there was concern over the re-
classification of Carrillo Ranch from a special resource
area to a community park.
and was made for several reasons. The revision of the
Parks Element de-emphasized privatization of any park
areas.
Quimby Act as park land for park purposes. There are
three classifications of park land; community parks,
special use areas and special resource areas. However,
special resource areas do not apply to the acreage needed
for park standards. The Parks and Recreation Commission
voted to re-classify Carrillo Ranch as a community park
site and have it apply to the park standards in the
southeast quadrant. There is an additional ten-acre piece
next to this parcel, which would make an 18-acre park.
This was a staff recommendation
Carrillo Ranch was dedicated to the City under the
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Mr. Beverly stated the historical atmosphere of the Ranch
would be preserved, no matter what it was designated. Thc
Ranch is in the CIP for 1992-97 for financing.
Commissioner Howard-Jones stated this Commission's concerr
was to retain the integrity of the historic site and they
wanted to ascertain how it was possible to ensure that.
She suggested a sub-committee from Arts, Historic Preservation and Parks and Recreation Commissions. Mr.
Beverly stated their Department would be happy to have a
representative available for such a committee.
The suggestion was made to address a letter to the
Planning Department to ask for provisions to be made in
the master plan for the preserving of the historic site.
The Commissioners stressed the need for commmunication
between this Commission and Parks and Recreation to keep
this Commission well-informed on any action on the
Carrillo Ranch area.
Item #IO was taken out of order at this time.
NEH. BUSINESS :
IO. ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE MITIGATION
Patty Cratty reported there was concern about an
archaeological site that would not be identified per se,
because of the sensitivity of the site.
Dennis Gallegos, WESTEC Services, gave a brief over view
of this site, using slides to indicate the approximate
area involved.
the two different time elements, with one site dating to
5,500 years ago and a re-occupation 500 years ago,
defining two periods of occupation on the site.
present time, the developer wants to cut the hill down anc
build houses. However, if the site were retained, it
would be a high mound surrounded by houses and would
probably be destroyed.
to be protected.
He said the importance of this site was
At the
Mr. Gallegos said the site needs
Commissioner Robertson left the meeting at 7:50 p.m.
Dee Landers, Planning Department, stated the project for
this site has not been approved and is under review.
study will be made and a mitigation program will be
recommended.
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Mr. Gallegos stated this site should supply diet
information and many artifacts, and displayed a map of the
site plan for the Commissioners.
Commissioner Swenson inquired whether the City was set up
properly to go ahead with this type of project, and Mike
Howes stated that if the area is small, the City does an
archaeological study. If it is a large parcel, the City
does an EIR. Commissioner Swenson stated the need for
guidelines.
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The consensus of the Commission was to defer this item to
the next meeting to formulate a letter to the Planning
Department. Dee Landers stated she would send a copy of the archaeological conditions to Patty Cratty before the
next meeting.
3. PRESERVATION CONFERENCE
Patty Cratty announced this conference had been cancelled
and would be part of a meeting to be held next April in
Los Angeles.
this.
She will keep the Commission informed on
4. LEO CARRILLO RANCH/GRANT
This item was taken out of order. (See page 2)
5. HISTORIC RESOURCES/SITE DESIGNATION
This item was continued to the December meeting.
6. SUB-COMMITTEE REPORT
This item was continued to the December meeting.
Commissioner Christiansen reported she had talked with the
people at the stonecutter's cottage about a walk-through. She further reported Steve Densham was not ready to commit
to a historic landmark designation at this time.
7. - RULES AND PROCEDURES
This item was continued to the December meeting.
8. REDEVELOPMENT STAFF/BUILDING CODE
Patty Cratty reported one person had been hired for the
Housing staff, to start in December.
Ms. Cratty stated the State Historic Code is not adopted
as a separate item, but as a policy, and must be
followed on designated landmarks.
9. PARKS AND RECREATION AGENDA
Patty Cratty was asked to scan the Agenda and if there is
anything on there of interest to this Commission, to mail
it to the Commissioners.
map of land dedicated for parks overlaid with historic
resources so that the Preservation Commission might
determine where sites might conflict or be impacted by
park development.
The Commissioners requested a
NEW BUSINESS :
10. ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE MITIGATION
This item was taken out of order. (See Page 3)
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11. DECEMBER CALENDAR
1. All continued items from this Agenda will be on the
December Agenda
2. The Carlsbad Theatre
Commissioner Howard-Jones will represent this Commission
on the Historic/Arts/Parks Sub-committee.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of November 14, 1988, was
adjourned at 8:47 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
PATRICIA CRATTY
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk