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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Tlme of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: Aprll 10, 1989
Place of Meeting: City Councll Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Vlce Chairperson Howard-Jones called the Meeting to
order at 5:08 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissloners Blackford, Howard-Jones,
Robertson, Swenson and Ex-Officlo Member
Marcus. Commissloner Chrlstiansen arrived at
5:12 p.m.
Absent: None.
Staff Members Present:
Patty Cratty, Senlor Management Analyst
Ron Ral I, Asslstant City Attorney
Lance Schu I te, Associate P lanner
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Regular Meeting held March 13, 1989,
were approved as presented.
CONTINUED ITEMS:
1. SITE MARKERS, CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP ON DESIGNATED
SITES AND CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.
Assistant Clty Attorney Ron Ball was present to answer
questions from the Commlssioners about the above
top ics.
Commlssloner Robertson stated the Commission wanted to
place bronze plaques on designated sltes and did not
know the legalities involved ln placing plaques on
private property or on the City property; also the
questlon of who Owns the plaque once it is placed on
prlvate property or 1s placed in the sidewalk.
Ron Ball said that an agreement 1s needed with private
property Owners, and that should be contalned In the
consent form used by thls Commission, stating that the
property owner does grant the right to the City of
Carlsbad to place a certain plaque in a certaln place
In vlew of the publlc. A sentence could be added
stating thls plaque remains the property of the City;
otherw lse, it wou 1 d become the property of the owner.
Mr. Ball added that the more speclflc the statements
are concernlng the plaques, the better.
In response to Commisslon query regarding a poInt of
lnterest plaque, Mr. Ball said any time anyone does any
work ln the public right-of-way, an encroachment permit
1s needed, and this would include placement of a
p I aque.
Howard-Jones
Blackford
Robertson
Swenson
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The next ltem for discussion was change of ownershlp on
designated sltes, and Ron Ball suggested wording to the
effect that the Owner certlfied he was the legal owner of
the property described above and dld by consent to the
Historic Preservation Commission and City of Carlsbad
intend that the designated site be preserved forever.
Mr. Ball said that the present consent form requires that
the person present a legal description of the property
and an additlonal way to ensure the preservation would be
to requlre the form to be recorded as a part of the deed.
In answer to Cornmisslon query regarding whether a new
buyer of a property could get released from the hlstoric
designation, Mr. Ball said that lt would be difficult to
do just because they did not want the designatlon. The
new owner would have to present evidence that somethlng
had changed and the property did not meet the criterla
for the designation.
The Certified Local Government Program was the next item
to be discussed wlth Mr. Ball, and Commissioner Swenson
stated that because of the Certified Local Government
defsgnation, more informatlon should be coming to thls
Commisslon and there is a higher stake In what is being
approved or changes contemplated in the environment.
Patty Cratty stated that this Cmmlssion is now being
lncluded in the process at an early stage and this should
prove to be a help in provlding Input.
Commissloner Blackford stated that the CLG encouraged
everyone to create and maintain an ordlnance that stated
that a site could be designated a landmark without the
owner's permisslon. That is not in Carlsbad's ordinance,
but the CLG urged that be done, and Commlssloner
Blackford asked whether the Commission should consider
that aspect.
Ron Ball said that the State Department of Historic
Preservatlon approved the ordinance passed by Carlsbad,
and he would like information on how that change in the
ordlnance could be accomplished wlthout creating a legal
problem. He asked whether the CLG had lnferred local
governments had that right, and Commissioner Blackford
stated they had. Mr. Ball asked to see all written
information on thls.
Vice-Chalrperson Howard-Jones inqulred whether the other
City Departments were aware of the CLG designation, and
Mr. Bal 1 said this affected the ab1 I ity to apply for
grants and all Departments and City Council were aware of
the designatlon.
2. DRAFT EIR FOR ARROYO LA COSTA.
Lance Schulte reported that thls project has been a long-
ongoing project and in answer to Commlsslon query
regarding the lnformation regarding sensltive sites,
stated that information is on a "need to know" basis and
a very guarded source of lnformatfon by the cultural
resource professionals.
The professionals prepare the documents and their work is
reviewed by thelr peers. The draft EIR is for citizen
and peer review and to make changes and recommendations.
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Commissioner Blackford asked whether it would be posslble
at thls stage for the Engineering Deparmtment to
participate in a modification of the gradlng plan
to a1 low some sites to be capped, if they proved to be
significant.
that option.
report that was signlficant enough that would require
excavatlon of ten square feet and the applicant has
agreed to do that mitigation. That report will be
brought before this Commlssion for review.
Lance Schulte answered they could explore
He said there was only one slte in the
Commissioner Blackford added that lt mlght be better to
cap some of the sites untll a future time when there
might be better storage available and more knowledge on
the preservation of the slte.
Lance Schulte commented that there Is a point where the
amount of money that can be spent on cultural resource
preservation becomes lmportant to the developer. In
this case, the developer has an archeologist on
reta 1 ner.
The suggestion was made for a copy of the final report
on the cultural resource preservation mitigatlon to be
provlded to Patty Cratty for the beglnning of a llbrary
of that type of information. Lance Schulte stated he
would draft a condition for this, and Patty Cratty added
that this will be lncluded in the guidelines of this
Commlssion. The library Ms. Cratty Is to maintaln will
contain the disposltion of the materlals so this
Commlssion will be aware of where the objects went.
This will be a cultural resources bank.
Mr. Schulte sald that the computerized data base for
land parcels in the City could descrlbe the sites wlth
hlstorlc significance, and Ms. Cratty sald she would
supply parcel numbers in order for that to be done.
3. PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS AND CULTURAL RESOURCES.
Designation of Resources.
Ramsey House - Patty Cratty reported that the Owners do
not want a designation, but have promised to leave the
house 1 ntact.
O'Hara owns
toward Sunny
any designat
documents on
Patty Cratty
Kelly Home - Commissioner Robertson reported that Mike
he property on El Camino that goes down
Creek and has a option and won't talk about
on. He will ask for photographs and
the property.
suggested that the intern in their
department research projects. The two sltes selected
were: Hart Real Estate Offlce, 2950 State Street, and
the Gage House, 3080 Lincoln Street.
Educational Displays/lnformation and Calavera Display
Case.
Commissioner Robertson suggested a slide presentatlon be
prepared to be given to history classes in the schools
for educatlon as to the hlstorlc preservation program.
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Cornmissloner Robertson felt that the display case at
Calavera Hi I Is Park shou Id be a priority of the
Comrnisslon to lnform Robin Bettin that the contents of
the case wlll be changed every two months.
National Preservation Week.
Patty Cratty stated she had not recelved notlce of when
thls would be, and the suggestlon was made to perhaps
have a slide show put together for public television
durlng that week.
propose the joint Council Meetlng durlng that week, if
possible.
The suggestion was also made to
4. SOHO BROCHURE.
Commissioner Blackford suggested
Issue a shorter version of this,
newsletter.
hat this Cornmisslon
n the form of a
Cornmissloner Robertson volunteered to edit a newsletter
six tlmes a year.
The Commlssloners were rernlnded that SOHO also wants
news items and the Commlssloners could send any ltems
to them.
5. SUMMARIES OF MEETINGS.
The City Manager's Newsletter was dlscussed, wlth the
consensus of the Commisslon being that unless there was
somethlng of interest, they should not be sent to
Cornmlssioners, as they always arrive too late for
Cornmlssioners to attend any meetlngs llsted there.
Commlssloner Swenson questioned some of the ltems
listed in the surnmarles and Patty Cratty explalned
those items and also explalned that Mr. Swenson could
contact the City departments for explanations.
6. CITY COUNCIL GOALS.
Patty Cratty explalned that the City Council sets the
Goals and staff then provides the objectlves to attain
those goals, with updates throughout the year.
OLD BUSINESS:
7. CARR I LLO RANCH/GRANT.
Patty Cratty reported the current grant is belng worked
on, and sketches of the bulldlngs are belng made.
8. SUB-COMMITTEE REPORTS.
Commlssioner Robertson asked for all memorabe ia for
the depot to be gathered together and on May 0 at 9:15
a.m. In Patty Cratty's office, the material w 11 be
gathered to take to Calavera Hills for the di play case. Cornmissloner Howard-Jones will asslst in thls
project.
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Comml ss loner Robertson distr i buted cop les of the
Historlc Preservatlon Commission brochure and asked for
comments.
Commlssioner Blackford asked whether the Commlsslon
needed permlssion to have thls brochure printed, and
Ms. Cratty stated she would check on this.
Commissioner Blackford stated that if permlsslon was
not needed, he was in favor of having thls prlnted and
distributed.
Patty Cratty reported there was nothing new on the
workshop, but would try to see if it were possible
durlng the National Preservation Week.
NEW BUSINESS:
9. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT.
Patty Cratty explalned this was the 15th year for the
block grant program. Previously, this was for capital
projects, but now includes social programs. She sald
that 60 percent of the money must go to low/moderate
i ncome peop I e.
Comment was made that the Magee House needs painting,
and it was the consensus of the Commlsslon that this
should be called to the Clty's attention, partlcularly
slnce the Certlfled Local Government program requlres
historic sites to be maintained. Also, it was
commented that the bushes around the Magee House need
to be trimmed to avoid damaging the house.
INFORMATIONAL:
10. CURRENT SUMMARIES OF MEETINGS.
Commlssioner Swenson reiterated his feeling that these
summaries ralsed flags that this Commlsslon needs more
information.
MAY AGENDAkALENDAR.
Agenda 1 terns:
Display Case - to devise a Display Case Plan for the
year
Report on the two sites for designation
Revlsion of consent form
Progress report on priorities
Work shop
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ADJOURNMENT:
By proper mot ion, the Meeting of Apri I 10, 1989, was
adjourned at 7:31 p.m.
Respectfuly submltted, m
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Harrlett Babbitt
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