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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: March 12, 1990
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
COMMISSIONERS
CALL To ORDER:
Chairperson Blackford called the Meeting to order at
5:04 p.m.
Present: Commissioners Blackford, Christiansen, Howard-
Jones, Robertson and Ex Officio Member Marcus.
Commissioner Gallegos arrived at 5:07 p.m.
Absent: None.
Staff Members Present: Patty Cratty, Acting Housing and
Redevelopment Director
Clint Phillips, Sr. Management
Debbie Fountain, Sr. Management
Analyst
Analyst
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
None.
PUBLIC COMHENT:
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
Patty Cratty, Acting Housing and Redevelopment Director,
introduced Debbie Fountain, Sr. Management Analyst, who will
be working on the program for a Carlsbad Founders' Day.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. CARLSBAD FOUNDERS' DAY
Following a discussion, the consensus of the Commission was
to have Chairperson Blackford meet with Glen McComas
regarding the Founders' Day, and then meet with the
subcommittee and staff .
2. CARLSBAD THEATRE MITIGATION
Chairperson Blackford stated that the owner of the theatre
had requested this item be continued to a future meeting.
Commission discussion centered on whether the Commission
could proceed with establishing a format for mitigation or
continue the matter.
Patty Cratty commented that the Fire Department had told the
owner what he needed to do to meet the standards.
The application for demolition is pending at this time, and
once a permit comes in, the City has six months to respond
to the application, or it is automatically approved.
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OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Chairperson Blackford said that the guidelines for
mitigation for that structure should be brought to the next
meeting. The Commissioners should review the format and be
prepared to either delete or add to those standards.
Commissioners should get their recommendations to Clint
Phillips in two weeks (March 26), and he will compile those
and bring the entire document to the next meeting. The lis
is the basic requirements to make the structure safe so it
could be used.
The
Commissioner Howard-Jones volunteered to contact the owner
of the theatre and talk with him to encourage him.
The Historic Preservation Commission continued the Carlsbad
Theatre Mitigation item.
3. SANTA FE DEPOT REMODEL
Clint Phillips reported on the Commission's request to
investigate the possibility of including the remodeling of
the depot interior restrooms in the 1910 period style. He
said he had talked with the consultant and that will be
considered. There are two restrooms--one is a store room
and one is a unisex restroom.
4. ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF RANCHO VERDE.
Commissioner Gallegos reported two pre-historic sites had
been identified--and it had been stated there was only one.
He said that at the end of the report, it must say that, as
the State of California has to know this. Also, it must be
noted what artifacts have been collected on the site. This
information was given to the project planner and it will be
incorporated into the findings.
Clint Phillips stated he had contacted the Planning
Department and informed them that this Commission wanted on
copy of the final report available to the City from the
developer in the form of microfiche.
5. SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
Calavera Park Display Case
Commissioner Robertson reported they are awaiting a respons
from the Parks and Recreation Department.
Brochure/Newsletter
Commissioner Robertson reported that the newsletter is 314
finished. He will print what he has and give to Clint
Phillips. Mr. Phillips will mail to the Commissioners for
their input and they are to return it to him.
Chairperson Blackford commented that when he was at the
Building Department, there was only one brochure on the
counter.
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OLD BUSINESS : (Cont inued)
Carrillo Ranch Archaeoloaical Sites
Chairperson Blackford reported he was having difficulty
arranging a meeting with the site planner.
writing a letter to him.
He will be
National Historic Preservation Week
Clint Phillips reported he had not received any more
information on this, other than it will be the week of May
13-19 , 1990
Commissioner Howard-Jones stated that she would get a firm
commitment from the TV people regarding historical videos.
Discussion among the Commissioners determined that videos
and/or slides of the designated sites should be available
during that week.
Chairperson Blackford requested the Commissioners to get a1
these things together before the next meeting.
Commissioners Robertson and Howard-Jones will work on this
project.
Commissioner Gallegos added that pre-historic sites should
also be included.
Historic Preservation Incentives Prowam
Commissioner Howard-Jones reported that Escondido is
highlighting incentives rather than any penalties as far as
historic preservation of sites.
Historic Preservation Ordinance Amendment
There has been no meeting at this time. Commissioners
Blackford and Gallegos will attend the meetings when they
are scheduled.
6. CULTURAL RESOURCES
Bob Wilkinson, Rick Engineering, addressed the Commission
regarding the Kelly barn site. He said that Rick
Engineering is working on plans and are aware of the
interest in the barn and other structures. Development
plans have been submitted to the City, and they are being
reviewed at this time. The structures are not historically
significant--but they are widely held as a landmark and
appreciated by the community.
Mr. Wilkinson stated that their client is interested in
hearing more about the public's interest and they are
inclined to preserve the building. The development has bee
pulled away from the edge along El Camino approximately 500
feet. He said that north of the barn is a riparian area,
and that will be left as open space. If a homeowners
association is responsible for the barn, it will be fenced
and less accessible. This also could detract from its
charm.
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OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Wilkinson said that the Kellys have moved out of the
residence and the property is unsupervised. The structures
have been fenced because of the liability. He said if the
barn is preserved, it would need expensive re-structuring.
The EIR will go through all of this.
Mr. Wilkinson asked the Commissioners for any ideas about
the barn.
Commissioner Gallegos stated he felt the barn was
historically important and he would like to see it
rehabilitated and used to the extent that it was possible or
the developer's behalf, or for the homeowners.
Mr. Wilkinson said that the residence will be taken down and
the pool will be dismantled. The barn gets moisture where
it is presently located, and there is the potential for
moving it to higher ground. In order to move the barn, it
will be dismantled and put back up in order to make it more
structurally sound.
Commissioner Christiansen commented that the artists use the
barn as a subject and a new roof was put on for them.
Mr. Wilkinson said that the barn will be linked with the
riparian area and perhaps a trail system. There is the
possibility of linking this trail system with the one
proposed by the City. He showed a drawing indicating the
barn in the proposed location. He also said that Rick
Engineering had proposed dedicating the open space to the
City, but the City had said no. Mr. Wilkinson said the barr
would need to be the responsibility of a homeowners
association, the City or some private group. He said that
their client would rehab the barn and move it--but the long-
term responsibility is a big question.
Commissioner Robertson said he was not against moving the
barn; particularly since this would buffer it from the
widened El Camino Real.
Commission discussion centered on the elimination of the
barn from the national register and grants, if it were
moved. It was mentioned that some groups might want those
potentials. However, the consensus of the Commission was tc
favor moving it, rehabilitating it, and making it a usable
building. The landscaping should be left natural around the
barn, with the barn to be placed on a foundation, preservins
the same look it now has. The Commission also felt the
inside should be redone to make it usable; that use to be
decided later. The request was €or the consultant to come
back with uses for old barns.
Commissioner Christiansen said that horses were kept in that
barn, with part of the barn used €or storing hay.
Carrillo Ranch
Commissioner Howard-Jones reported that the buildings are tc
be repaired and a report is being prepared on the water
under the main house. As far as the bridge, the trucks are
being brought in from the other side. She said they may
never use the bridge for access.
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OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Phillips said the client said the Ad Hoc Committee had
given the consultant guidelines on the priorities and he is
in the process of developing a proposal to include the
construction. An agenda bill will be taken to the City
Council to approve a supplement to expand the scope of work,
He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission is
developing the master plan subcommittee, and an agenda bill
will be taken to the City Council to approve a supplement tc
expand the scope of work. Mr. Beverly had indicated that
this Commission should appoint one Commissioner on the
subcommittee to discuss the master plan time line.
Commissioner Robertson volunteered to serve on this
subcommittee.
Chairperson Blackford stated the northeast quadrant report
aired on TV mentioned two potential areas--and he would like
to see the preliminary EIR's on Larwin park and the Calaver:
golf course.
Clint Phillips stated he had talked with the Planning
Department and they are not at that point as yet. He said
that Brian Hunter is coordinating this.
Gaus House
Commissioner Howard-Jones reported that the owners of the
Gaus House are having problems with the Building Department,
The Fire Department wants new windows installed in the
house, and she wondered whether they were aware that this ir
a designated historic site and the windows should not be
replaced. Also, the City was requiring them to build the
garage before any one occupied the house.
Chairperson Blackford stated that he hoped the historic
nature will be considered when the commitment is made to
build the garage. The question was asked that because it is
not a landmark, would the stipulations apply, and Mr.
Phillips answered that any structure contained on a historic
resource inventory of a recognized group (such as this
Commission) does come under the provisions of the State
Historic Building Codes.
The Commission requested Mr. Phillips to write letters to
the Fire Department and the Building Department informing
them of the status of this structure and that the State
Board of Historic Preservation would have to be informed of
their requests.
NXW BUSINESS:
7. CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY
Clint Phillips reported that this survey has been pending
for several months and he would like to go forward with the
draft of the RFP the City will send out. He would like for
one or two Commissioners to review the proposals as soon as
Housing and Redevelopment receives them, along with staff.
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INFORMATIONAL :
9. SUMMARY REPORTS FROM VARIOUS COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES ANI
BOARDS
This was an information item.
10. APRIL CALENDAR
Theatre
Founders' Day
Kelly Barn (if necessary)
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of March 12, 1990, was
adjourned at 7:16 p.m.
CLINT PHILL~PS
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk