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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COHMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: January 14, 1991
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers Y COMMISSIONERS
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CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Howard-Jones called the Meeting to order at
5:20 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Howard-Jones, Aharoni and
Christ iansen.
Absent: Commissioners Gallegos and Robertson and Ex-
Officio Member Marcus.
Staff Members Present:
Clint Phillips, Senior Management Analyst
Eric Munoz, Associate Planner
Don Neu, Senior Planner
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held December 10, 1990, were
approved as presented.
-- PUBLIC COMMENT:
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
NEW BUSINESS:
Items were taken out of Order to Accommodate the People in
Attendance.
EVANS POINT PROJECT DRAFT EIR
Clint Phillips reported that the draft EIR is under
review at this time by staff pursuant to the
Commission's role asking for comment pertaining to the
cultural resource report. He said there was a copy in
the packet and that he had comments from Commissioner
Gallegos.
The consultants were present, and Ron Bissell, who had
done the archaeological work on the project, stated
that one of their recommendations had been to do
monitoring during the grading. He added that what
they recommended in the technical report would be
adequate. He explained that the barn is in a swampy
area and it is very wet around that area, giving a
limited chance for preservation of anything. Further
up the hill there is a lot of disturbance, and he did
not believe there was anything there.
Don Neu stated the Planning Department agreed with the
consultants' recommendations and those will be
conditions on the project, if it is approved. There
was a new cultural resource survey and conditions
regarding the barn. The new survey found the barn was
not a significant historic resource.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Christiansen
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Lisa King, Hofman Planning Associates, John
Strohminger and Bob Wilkinson, Rick Engineering , were
present for the applicant, and stated that it would be
at least two years before grading, as the tentative
map has to be approved and Cannon Road improvement is
tied to the project.
In answer to query as to whether the barn could be
saved in a different location to be used for farm
equipment, the consultant said it could, but the roof
is very bad.
The comment was made that the grain bin had the sign
saying it was a stage stop, but it was farther done
the road. Commissioner Christiansen added that it was
for a change of horses and not passengers.
Commissioner Aharoni asked whether any open space area
was planned where this could be incorporated, and Don
Neu answered that half of the site is to be open
space, but the majority are sensitive biological
areas. The main area that preservation of the
structure would be possible is in the general present
location. The Commission was reminded that El Camino
Real is to be widened in that area.
John Strohminger stated that the drainage problems in
that area would make it an unlikely spot for
maintaining a building.
Commissioner Aharoni repeated he would like to
consider leaving the barn there as part of that area.
The comment was made that if the barn is to remain in
place, this would be a significant maintenance
expense, and who would maintain it.
Chairperson Howard-Jones said that the important thing
was to know what is planned for that site.
The consultants stated that if the grain bin was left
there, it would be fenced and access would be
restricted.
Don Neu said there would be a re-design of the
project. He said there is still a safety issue that
the barn creates in its present state. The Building
Department is not able to inspect it and give an
evaluation because of the liability concerns, and he
felt the City would not accept the barn as a
maintenance type of problem. He said that when the
plan is revised, they could talk about this.
The Historic Preservation Commission recommended the
grain bin on the Evans Point Project be a part of the
plan to remain on its present location. As part of
the mitigation measures, they recommended that a
special effort be made to attempt to salvage the barn.
The Commission asked to see the plan that shows what
is planned for that area and the widening plan for El
Camino Real.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Christiansen
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2. EIR CULTURAL RESOURCE REPORTS
Clint Phillips reported that Brian Smith will attend
the February meeting .
Eric Munoz reported there is no progress on Larwin
Park; Kelly Ranch - no update; Aviara - report will
be available in February.
9. CULTURAL RESOURCES
Ramsev House
Eric Munoz reported the owner of the Ramsey House
would follow the process that the code spells out and
this would come before this Commission for a
recommendation and then go to City Council €or
approval. Since this is the first house for a formal
permit, the process will be monitored more closely, in
order to set the criteria. Mr. Munoz said the owner
of the property plans to subdivide the parcel into
four lots.
Commission discussion determined that the landscaping
around the original house had been destroyed, but
should tie in with the house.
Clint Phillips distributed copies of a letter dated
December 17, 1990, from the City to Ronald Buckallew
regarding the Ramsey House.
Commissioner Aharoni said if this is to be the first
one and criteria will be developed from this project,
the owner should provide a preliminary plan as to
where the house is now and on to which lot it will be
moved. The Commission would like to see it on a good-
sized lot, and an outline of the concept of what they
intend to do--whether extensive remodelling or
limited. Also, the original character of the house
should be retained, and the other buildings should be
in character, also, and not overshadow this house.
He felt the landscaping should respect what was there
originally, and staff indicated that has made that a
requirement. Commission consensus was that as many
opportunities as possible for salvage should be
followed, since this was setting a precedent.
Eric Munoz stated he would talk to the project Planner
and Engineer and write down the concerns for the file.
Commissioner Aharoni reiterated that he wanted a
condition on the property that the design of the
adjoining houses should reflect the character of the
original house.
Carlsbad Theatre
Allen Largent, Manager of the Carlsbad Theatre, stated
he had met with Commissioner Aharoni.
Commissioner Aharoni reported that he thought this was
a worthwhile project. He had met with the owners and
Mr. Largent and felt that the owners were in favor of
preserving the building, but were frustrated since
they have neither the background nor the means to do
this alone.
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The owners of the Theatre are trying to form a non-
profit organization, but don't know how to do it and
need some support from someone as to how to proceed.
Mr. Largent said he would be willing to help the
owners in this regard, but also there is need for
someone in the community to take the lead. He said he
was preparing a letter to go out to the community
regarding this.
Mr. Largent said he felt the Donaldson report was
over-done; that less than a million dollars was needed
to make the Theatre usable.
Commissioner Aharoni stated the owners should prepare
an outline of what they see can happen, and what it
would take to meet the codes and be able to open the
Theatre.
Mr. Largent stated the owners do not want to be
involved in the actual operation of the Theatre.
Commissioner Aharoni reiterated the owners should
submit costs and benefits.
Knowles House
Chairperson Howard-Jones showed pictures of the
Knowles House.
10. SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
Pediment for Senior Center Buildinq
Linwood Van, Chairman of the Senior Commission, was
present, and stated he had discussed this item with
Sue Spickard and there are no objections to this
pediment. He said he could not speak for the School
Board and the Senior Commission, but would present the
matter to the Commission.
Chairperson Howard-Jones stated the material was not
weatherproof and as a result would need to be placed
inside the building. She asked Mr. Van to present
this to the Senior Commission for approval of the
concept.
Commissioner Aharoni would like to see pictures of the
original school building to determine whether the
proposed pediment reflects the character of it.
St auecoac h
No report.
Newsletter
No report.
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Cultural Resource Site Markers
Clint Phillips is working on the "Point of Interest"
markers and Dennis is working on the plaques at the
Batiquitos Lagoon. He said when the trail system is
installed, there will be site markers.
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CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY PROJECT
Clint Phillips reported these is no update.
Commission discussion determined they would like a
workshop to present this report to the public.
press conference was also suggested.
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CARRILLO RANCH STABILIZATION PROJECT
Clint Phillips reported this will go out to bid the
end of January.
ARCHAEOLOGICAL GUIDELINES
Clint Phillips stated he wanted Commissioner Gallegos
to review this and then he would forward the document
to the State.
CARLSBAD HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS INVENTORY
Commissioner Aharoni had talked with the school people
and it was decided to ask the public for artifacts, as
to what they might have.
Commissioner Christiansen added that storage space for
the artifacts is needed.
CARLSBAD FOUNDERS'S DAY
Clint Phillips reported this item is in the City
Manager's Office for action.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT
Clint Phillips said the draft of the Agenda bill is in
Mr. Orenyak's office and hopefully it will go before
Council January 21.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCENTIVES RESEARCH
Commissioner Aharoni stated that the owners need to be
contacted to find out their interests and if they want
help with rehabilitation. The number of structures
that need rehabilitation should be identified;
feasibility and the price tag.
Clint Phillips added that the incentives program needs
to be in the form of a report for adoption, and within
that report, identify the needs. The suggestion was
made for the Commission to write letters to property
owners. To do that, staff was asked to compile a map
with the boundaries. Mr. Phillips said the
Commissioners would need to identify the properties,
based on the condition of the buildings.
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9. See Page 3.
10. See Page 4.
NEW BUSINESS:
11. See Page 1.
12. FIELDSTONE COMPANY REQUEST FOR INFORMATION
Clint Phillips will write a letter to them and this
will be turned over to Commissioner Robertson.
13. CITY HISTORIC PRESERVATION BUDGET FOR FY 1990-91
Clint Phillips stated this was an information item.
INFORMATIONAL:
14. SUMMARY REPORTS FROM VARIOUS COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES
AND BOARDS
Information item.
15. FEBRUARY CALENDAR
The Commission determined the items for the next
Agenda.
The February Meeting of the Commission will be on
February 11, 1991.
ADJOURNMEZNT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of January 14, 1991, was
adjourned at 7:28 p.m.
CLINT PHILLIPS I
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk