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b Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: June 10, 1991
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS v
CALL TO ORDER:
Vice Chairman Gallegos called the Meeting to order at
5:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Gallegos, Aharoni,
McCann and Ex-Officio Member Holmes.
Absent: Commissioner Howard-Jones.
Staff Members Present:
Patty Cratty, Senior Management Analyst
Eric Munoz, Associate Planner
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Amended Minutes of the Meeting held April 8, 1991, were
approved as presented.
The Minutes of the Meeting held May 13,3 1991, were approved
as presented.
PUBLIC COMMENT:
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
PRESENTATION:
Mayor Lewis presented Kay Christiansen with a Certificate of
Appreciation for her service to the City while a Member of
the Historic Preservation Commission.
INTRODUCTION OF MEMBER MCCAN
Vice Chairman Gallegos welcomed Edward McCann as a new
Commissioner.
INTRODUCTION OF EX OFFICIO
Vice Chairman Gallegos introduced Robert Holmes, Chairman of
the Planning Commission, as the new Ex Officio Member of
this Commission.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPOSTS
This item was trailed. (See Page 2)
2, HISTORIC PRESERVATION WEEK
Vice Chairman Gallegos reviewed the distribution of
the poster for Historic Preservation Week and added
that some high school students had attended the
Commission meeting and would be helping with projects
relating to the history of Carlsbad.
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OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Patty Cratty introduced Erin Letsch, from the Planning
Department, who will be working with this Commission.
1. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORTS
Eric Munoz distributed copies of an Environmental
Review Update for June 1991. and reviewed the report.
He stated that Evans Point would return to the
Historic Preservation after the redesign. Whether or
not the barn will be part of the redesign is not known
at this time.
Mr. Munoz gave a copy of the draft recovery report for
Aviara to Vice Chairman Gallegos. In reply to query
regarding the development by Stagecoach Park and La
Costa, Mr. Munoz said there was nothing new on this.
There were eight archaeological sites in the survey
for Lake Calavera, and when they were tested seven of
them were shell surface. The area where the native
chaparral was located was recommended for open space.
Vice Chairman Gallegos asked about Calavera Heights,
and Eric Munoz said that is under Calavera Hills.
There are two sites there that needed additional work.
One was tested and it was primarily shell. The second
site was shell fish remains and milling tools. There
were four rings of rocks where campers had been, and
these need additional work. That is being reviewed at
this t ime .
3. CARLSBAD SCHOOL PEDIMENT
Vice Chairman Gallegos stated the School District had
agreed to have the pediment mounted over the entrance,
but did not fund that.. It will cost up to $5,000 to
mount the pediment, and the recommendation had been
made to compile a list of former students who would be
interested in funding this project. He stated that
Jim Wilstermann of the Arts Department had stopped by
and stated they might be able to help with the
funding. Mr. Wilstermann also suggested the Arts
Department and Commission should work closely with
this Commission.
Commissioner Aharoni stated that $5,000 was a lot of
money, and he felt more than one bid should be gotten.
Ms. Cratty said there were no bids on this, but there
should be at least two bids for that installation.
She said that Chairperson Howard-Jones had taken the
lead on this project, and that staff could not take
the lead, as they had not been authorized by the City
Council to do so. Ms. Cratty stated she could make
some calls and contact the school to see whether there
is a list of former students.
This item was continued to the next meeting.
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4. RAMSAY HOUSE/MINOR SUBDIVISION
Vice Chairman Gallegos stated Mr. Childers had
appeared before this Commission at the last meeting to
ask for direction.
Commissioner Aharoni suggested there be a check list
to give to those owners of property with a historic
house on that property. It should be the
responsibility of the owners to submit historic
information on that house. The list should state what
this Commission wants and that should go along with
the deed if the property is resold, so the new owner
would know what he will have to do.
Vice Chairman Gallegos asked staff to find out the
status of the guidelines, since they have not been
accepted at this time. He stated that Mr. Childers
should be informed that he should follow the proposed
guidelines for historic properties and submit a report
to the Commission at the earliest possible time, since
this house is a designated landmark. There should be
a video tape of the structure and photographs showing
how the property is now.
Ex Officio Member Holmes suggested St. Michael's
Church be contacted for a history of the Ramsay House
and the family.
Commissioner Aharoni stated he wanted a floor plan and
a site plan showing elevations and addressing the
setbacks. He felt the Ramsay House should have more
of a public feel to it. He would like to look at a
larger scale (quarter scale floor plan) of the floor
plan, in addition to the site plan. Also, the
landscaping should be restored to reflect the theme of
1904. Mr. Childers had indicated in his letter that
moving the house would give it more public visibility,
but Mr. Aharoni felt it has more where it is now
located. He also stated he wanted to see the design
style for the other lots.
Ms. Cratty stated that the other lots will be sold to
individuals and they will build on them.
Commissioner Aharoni said that the deeds need to have
a notation on them stating that the houses have to be
compatible with the Ramsay House and come before this
Commission to be reviewed. He stated that the issue
of whether the house should be moved should be
determined, and how important it is to the City. Mr.
Aharoni wondered whether the City has the right to
tell Mr. Childers the house should stay where it is,
even if it costs him one lot in the subdivision.
In answer to query regarding the incomplete status of
Mr. Childers' application, Ms. Cratty stated that it
is complete except for this Commission.
Eric Munoz stated that a notice should be recorded on
the deed that prior to issuance of a building
permittthe architecture and elevations must be
reviewed by the Planning Director and/or the Historic
Preservation Commission.
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RAMSAY HOUSE/MINOR SUBDIVISION (Continued)
Commissioner Aharoni said Mr. Childers had indicated
there would be no remodeling of the Ramsay House, and
he wondered if the Commission should see the plans for
the garage being built.
Mr. Holmes said there was a garage back of the house
originally--a garage or a tool shed.
Vice Chairman Gallegos said he wanted such houses to
stay where they are and enhanced, rather than moved
and the lots split.
Commissioner Aharoni said he wanted the grading plan,
as that would affect the landscaping. Also he would
like a list of the siding materials and roofing
materials; also what the garage would look like.
There was a discussion about building heights, and Mr.
Holmes stated the building height ordinance is being
revised at this time, and that may solve some of the
problems.
Bernard Kouns, 1340 Las Flores Drive, had written a
letter to the Commission stating his concerns about
the moving of the Ramsay House. He stated that the
house belongs where it is now, and Mr. Childers is
proposing to move it as far away as possible.
Commissioner Aharoni stated that staff should give
recommendations as to the options available for
relocation of the house.
5. HISTORIC PRESERVATION INCENTIVES
Commissioner Aharoni stated he wanted to recommend
that the City adopt the information presented.
Ms. Cratty stated that staff needs authorization from
Council in order to get into that, and she will
prepare an agenda bill to ask for authorization to
spend staff time on this.
6. CARRILLO RANCH STABILIZATION PROJECT AND CARRILLO DAYS
BENEFIT
Patty Cratty stated there were two bids for this work
and both were higher than the engineer's estimate.
There is no other funding available at this time.
Joan Kindle is looking for private funds, but has not
found anything as yet. Ms. Cratty indicated this may
be sent out for re-bidding.
Ms. Cratty reported that Joan Kindle had unanimous
approval from the Parks and Recreation Commission and
City Council for the Carrillo Days Benefit. This will
be held August 3, and Leo Carrillo's car will be on
display. This will be at Fire Station 5, and will
include a barbecue.
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NEW BUSINESS:
7. PARKS AND RECREATION BROCHURE INSERT
Patty Cratty reported that this Commission had talked
about a brochure, but there was no funding to do that.
She said if the Commission desired, they could use a
page in the Parks and Recreation Brochure. There is a
new Brochure every quarter, and the Commission could
put a page in the fall or winter Brochure.
The Historic Preservation Commission recommended
having a Commissioner be responsible for each quarter
to supply information for the Parks and Recreation
Brochure.
Commissioner Howard-Jones is to take the first
quarter, Commissioner Gallegos the second,
Commissioner Aharoni the third and Commissioner McCann
the fourth.
8. CPF CONFERENCE AND THREE-MINUTE SUCCESS STORIES
Vice Chairman Gallegos stated that at next year's
conference Carlsbad is to do the three-minute success
stories. He recommended that Commissioner Howard-
Jones and Patty Cratty put the stories together, and
he also volunteered to help with this.
9. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION CONFERENCE IN SAN
DIEGO
Commissioner Howard-Jones will attend this conference
and Cynthia Haas, Management Analyst, will attend as a
staff member.
10. ZONE PLANS 13, 16 AND 21
Patty Cratty presented the Zone Plans for 13, 16 and
21 and Commissioner Gallegos will review these.
Eric Munoz said there would be a Growth Management
update for the next meeting.
11. NATIONAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION AWARDS
Patty Cratty stated that awards can be won for use of
Federal funding in historic preservation. State and
Federal money was used to rehabilitate the interior of
the depot. Since it is a landmark, staff would like
to submit the depot for a National Preservation Award.
The consensus of the Commission was to endorse this
proposal.
12. WORKSHOP TO DEVELOP GOALS
The date selected for the Workshop is Wednesday, June
26, 1991, from 4:OO p.m. to 6:OO p.m. Staff will
notify the Commissioners where the Workshop will be
held.
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INFORMATIONAL:
13. SUMMARIES OF VARIOUS BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND
COMMISSIONS
Information Item.
14. JULY AGENDA
Patty Cratty requested the following agenda items for
July: 234 Tamarack--the owners want to destroy the
house and construct a new one. Also, the City will
widen Tamarack and underground facilities on Laguna,
and this will impact properties where historic
structures are located. The Barrio Fiesta will be
held September 15, 1991, and that will be on the
agenda. Also, the other items from the June agenda
will be carried forward.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of June 10, 1991, was
adjourned at 6:35 p.m., to the Workshop to be held June 26,
1991, from 4:OO p.m. to 6:OO p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
PATRICIA CRATTY
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk