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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: July 18, 1991
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Howard-Jones called the Meeting to order at
5:Ol p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Howard-Jones, Aharoni,
Absent: Ex-Officio Member Holmes.
Gallegos, McCann and Zavala.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held June 10, 1991, were approved
as amended by Commissioner Gallegos on Page 2, Item #l
Environmental Impact Reports, as follows:
where it states "shell surface", change to " surface shell
deposit". "The site SDI-49-22 located within native
chaparral was recommended for protection through open
space. ''
In the next paragraph, change the last two sentences to
read:
"There were four fire hearths, and Site SDI36 needs
additional work, which is being completed at this time."
PUBLIC COMMENT:
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
PRESENTATION:
Ex-Commissioner Robertson was not present to receive the
Certificate of Appreciation for his service on this
Commission from 1986 through 1991.
INTRODUCTION OF MEMBER ZAVALA:
Commissioner Robert Zavala was introduced to the Commission.
Commissioner Zavala expressed his interest in the Ramsay
House restoration.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. RAMSAY HOUSE/MINOR SUBDIVISION 850.
Patty Cratty introduced this item, stating the
applicant is requesting permission to move the Ramsay
House to another lot, in order to subdivide the
property into four lots.
Mr. Childers, owner of the property, stated he had
supplied all Commissioners with a map showing the
proposed subdivision. He said the City has stated
that this Commission is to send a report to Council
making a recommendation on this proposed subdivision.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Gallegos
McCann
Zavala
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OLD BUSINESS : (Continued)
Commissioner Aharoni stated that the function of this
Commission is to preserve the historic structures, if
designated, and if they are re-located, it causes harm
to the historical value of the structure. He said
there needs to be justification for moving the Ramsay
House other than maximizing the number of lots. Also,
if the building were relocated, the remaining three
houses would need to be compatible, and Mr. Childers
had said he would have no control over that. There
should be something tied into the title when the other
lots are sold to limit the new buyers in some degree
to design homes that would be compatible; either as a
condition or as voluntary on the part of the buyers.
Mr. Childers stated that he had no control over what
the other buyers would do and any restrictions placed
on the property would diminish the value. He said he
did not want new houses that looked like old houses,
as they would have no value. The Ramsay House would
be on the corner lot and put into the original
condition.
Commissioner Gallegos inquired whether if the Ramsay
House were left in the current spot, would it be
possible to still have four lots, or would there only
be three lots, and Mr. Childers answered that it would
not allow four lots, and would be difficult to provide
three .
Mr. Childers explained the history of the property and
the costs he has incurred, and staff explained that
there is a difference between the plan they had seen
and the plan now presented. Mr. Childers said there
would be no grading done, with the Ramsay House being
moved to a new foundation and the original skirting
put back onto the house.
The Historic Preservation Commission recommended that
the Ramsay House be left in its original location and
not be moved, and two additional lots be formed on the
remaining property. If the Ramsay House is re-
located, the Commission would like some protective
device for the design of the other homes on the
property that they be compatible with the Historic
Site.
Mr. Childers asked that the Ramsay House be removed
from the register. Ms.Cratty stated that this has
been reviewed before, and once a structure is
designated, it must be proved that it no longer meets
the code before any designation could be removed.
2. EVANS POINT/KELLY BARN.
Don Neu gave the report on this item, using a
transparency to show the property. He gave the
background of the property and stated this Commission
had recommended that the grain bin be preserved and
every effort made to attempt to salvage the barn.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Gal legos
McCann
Zavala
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OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Neu said the applicant is anxious to get
direction. The project is being re-designed and the
barn is a significant remaining issue. According to
CEQA criteria, the barn is not historically
significant. The re-design of the project is not
through staff review at this time.
barn is located is subject to flooding and the re-
design will elevate that area. Also, El Camino Real
will be widened in that area.
The area where the
Tony Griffin, of Hofman Planning Associates, stated
the access road would be changed and the riparian area
north of the barn has to be protected and buffered.
He said that any restoration of the barn would
require demolition, and that would cost approximately
$100,000. The barn has no structural stability and is
not a historic structure. If it were made into a
neighborhood museum, there would be the question of
who would maintain it.
The suggestion was made to re-locate the grain bin to
another area--perhaps to the entry area.
Staff will return next month with a report as to
whether or not it is feasible to re-build the barn,
and the applicant will also check into alternatives.
New Business Item #lo, Barrio Days Fiesta, was taken out of
order at this time.
NEW BUSINESS:
10. BARRIO DAYS FIESTA.
Ofelia Escobedo, Lola's Seven-Up Market/Deli, told o
the plans for the Barrio Days Fiesta, September 15,
1991, and invited the Commissioners to join in the
celebrat ion.
Patty Cratty stated she would check into whether the
Commission could have a booth to display pictures of
people and historic structures. Commissioners Zavala
and Aharoni volunteered to work on this planned
Fiesta.
OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
3. COMMISSION GOALS AND PROJECT PRIORITIES.
Patty Cratty reviewed the Goals for the Historic
Preservation Commission, as contained in the packet.
Commissioner Aharoni requested Goal 1 be discussed
at the next meeting to develop a more specific list
for the applicants.
4. 1991-92 ADOPTED BUDGET.
Patty Cratty stated the budget had been distributed
and included in the packet. The Commission requested
an update semi-annually.
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MINUTES
Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: July 18, 1991
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Howard-Jones called the Meeting to order at
5:Ol p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Howard-Jones, Aharoni,
Absent: Ex-Officio Member Holmes.
Gallegos, McCann and Zavala.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held June 10, 1991, were approved
as amended by Commissioner Gallegos on Page 2, Item #l
Environmental Impact Reports, as follows:
where it states "shell surface", change to '' surface shell
deposit". "The site SDI-49-22 located within native
chaparral was recommended for protection through open
space. I'
In the next paragraph, change the last two sentences to
read:
"There were four fire hearths, and Site SDI636 needs
additional work, which is being completed at this time."
PUBLIC COMMENT:
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
PRESENTATION:
Ex-Commissioner Robertson was not present to receive the
Certificate of Appreciation €or his service on this
Commission from 1986 through 1991.
INTRODUCTION OF MEMBER ZAVALA:
Commissioner Robert Zavala was introduced to the Commissi
Commissioner Zavala expressed his interest in the Ramsay
House restoration.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. RAMSAY HOUSE/MINOR SUBDIVISION 850.
Patty Cratty introduced this item, stating the
applicant is requesting permission to move the Ramsay
House to another lot, in order to subdivide the
property into four lots.
Mr. Childers, owner of the property, stated he had
supplied all Commissioners with a map showing the
proposed subdivision. He said the City has stated
that this Commission is to send a report to Council
making a recommendation on this proposed subdivision.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Gallegos
McCann
Zavala
MINUTES
OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Commissioner Aharoni stated that the function of this
Commission is to preserve the historic structures, if
designated, and if they are re-located, it causes harm
to the historical value of the structure. He said
there needs to be justification €or moving the Ramsay
House other than maximizing the number of lots. Also,
if the building were relocated, the remaining three
houses would need to be compatible, and Mr. Childers
had said he would have no control over that. There
should be something tied into the title when the other
lots are sold to limit the new buyers in some degree
to design homes that would be compatible; either as a
condition or as voluntary on the part of the buyers.
Mr. Childers stated that he had no control over what
the other buyers would do and any restrictions placed
on the property would diminish the value. He said he
did not want new houses that looked like old houses,
as they would have no value. The Ramsay House would
be on the northeast corner lot and put into its
original condition.
Commissioner Gallegos inquired whether if the Ramsay
House were left in the current spot, would it be
possible to still have four lots, or would there only
be three lots, and Mr. Childers answered that it would
not allow four lots, and would be difficult to provide
three .
Mr. Childers explained the history of the property and
the costs he has incurred, and staff explained that
there is a difference between the plan they had seen
and the plan now presented. Mr. Childers said there
would be no grading done, with the Ramsay House being
moved to a new foundation and the original skirting
put back onto the house.
The Historic Preservation Commission recommended that
the Ramsay House be left in its original location and
not be moved, and two additional lots be formed on the
remaining property. If the Ramsay House is re-
located, the Commission would like some protective
device €or the design of the other homes on the
property that they be compatible with the Historic
Site.
Mr. Childers asked that the Ramsay House be removed
from the register. Ms.Cratty stated that this has
been reviewed before, and once a structure is
designated, it must be proved that it no longer meets
the code before any designation could be removed.
2. EVANS POINT/KELLY BARN.
Don Neu gave the report on this item, using a
transparency to show the property. He gave the
background of the property and stated this Commission
had recommended that the grain bin be preserved and
every effort made to attempt to salvage the barn.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Gal legos
McCann
Zavala
MINUTES
July 18, 1991 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COI IISS y ON Page 3 COMMISSIONERS
OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Neu said the applicant is anxious to get
direction. The project is being re-designed and the
barn is a significant remaining issue. According to
CEQA criteria, the barn is not historically
significant. The re-design of the project is not
through staff review at this time. The area where the
barn is located is subject to flooding and the re-
design will elevate that area. Also, El Camino Real
will be widened in that area.
Tony Griffin, of George Wimpey, Inc., stated the
access road would be changed and the riparian area
north of the barn has to be protected and buffered.
He said that any restoration of the barn would
require demolition, and that would cost approximately
$100,000. The barn has no structural stability and is
not a historic structure. If it were made into a
neighborhood museum, there would be the question of
who would maintain it.
The suggestion was made to re-locate the grain
another area--perhaps to the entry area.
bin to
Staff will return next month with a report as -0
whether or not it is feasible to re-build the barn,
and the applicant will also check into alternatives.
New Business Item #lo, Barrio Days Fiesta, was taken out of
order at this time.
NEW BUSINESS:
10. BARRIO DAYS FIESTA.
Ofelia Escobedo, Lola 3 Seven-Up Market/Deli, told
the plans for the Barrio Days Fiesta, September 15,
1991, and invited the Commissioners to join in the
celebration.
e
Patty Cratty stated she would check into whether the
Commission could have a booth to display pictures of
people and historic structures. Commissioners Zavala
and Aharoni volunteered to work on this planned
Fiesta.
OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
3. COMMISSION GOALS AND PROJECT PRIORITIES.
Patty Cratty reviewed the Goals for the Historic
Preservation Commission, as contained in the packet.
Commissioner Aharoni requested Goal 1 be discussed
at the next meeting to develop a more specific list
for the applicants.
4. 1991-92 ADOPTED BUDGET.
Patty Cratty stated the budget had been distributed
and included in the packet. The Commission requested
an update semi-annually.
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July 18, 1991 HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Page 4 \ COMMISSIONERS
OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
5. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORTS.
Eric Munoz gave an update on the environmental impact
reports listed on the report, stating there were no
screen checks to review for the Commission. He said
there might be one or two in August.
Commissioner Gallegos stated there were several items
missing from the Preliminary Report for Aviara.
6. CULTURAL RESOURCE SURVEY.
Patty Cratty stated the Survey has been distributed
and all Commissioners have copies.
The Commission continued this item to the next
meeting .
7. ARCHAEOLOGICAL GUIDELINES.
Patty Cratty reported that the Guidelines --ave _een
mailed to the State Historic Preservation Office.
Once they accept them, the Planning staff will take
them to a Planning workshop to discuss implementation.
8. AVIARA DATA RECOVERY REPORT.
This item was discussed previously.
9. CALIFORNIA PRESERVATION FOUNDATION CONFERENCE ON
PRESERVATION AND HOUSING.
Chairperson Howard-Jones referred to the report
included in the packet.
NEW BUSINESS:
10. BARRIO DAYS FIESTA.
This item was taken out of order. (See Page 3)
Patty Cratty is to bring a map showing the zoning in
the barrio.
11. GROWTH MANAGEMENT MONTHLY STATUS REPORT.
The report was distributed to the Commissioners.
INFORMATIONAL:
12. SUMMARIES FROM VARIOUS BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND
COMMISSIONS.
Information item.
Howard-Jones
Aharoni
Gallegos
McCann
Zavala
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13. AUGUST CALENDAR AND AGENDA.
The Commission discussed items for the August Agenda.
ADJOI,nWMmm:
By proper motion, the Meeting of July 18, 1991, was
adjourned at 6:58 p.m.
Respest f ul ly submitted ,
PATRICIA CRATTY
Senior Management Analyst
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk