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Meeting of: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 5:OO P.M.
Date of Meeting:
Place of Meeting:
September 9, 1991
City Council Chambers
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COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Howard-Jones called the meeting to order at 5:04 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Howard-Jones, Aharoni arrived at
5:lO p.m,, Gallegos, McCann, and Ex-Officio
Member Holmes.
Absent: Commissioner Zavala.
COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON ITEMS NOT LISTED IN THE
AGENDA:
There were no comments from the audience.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held August 15, 1991, were approved as
read.
OLD BUSINESS:
1. EVANS POINT
Pat Cratty explallred to the Commission that this project has
been presented a couple of times before and that plans were to
be submitted regarding the granary being relocated and to
discuss that issue. Also to be discussed was the contribution to
preservation or to make a suggestion for that. Ms Cratty
introduced Don Neu who was present at the last meeting to
continue with further discussion on the project.
Don Neu proceeded to show the Commission on the plans where
the grain bin was proposed to be relocated. He explained that it
is proposed to relocate the grain bin to the south, basically in an
open space area that would divide the two projects, referring to
one project that has gone through the Planning Commission in
July and that the grain bin would still be on the project site. It
is being proposed to remove several eucalyptus trees to make a
small clearing for it. The applicant is proposing that a trail be
incorporated into the project to the grain bin.
Several Commissioners commented that they had no problem
with the proposed location of the grain bin.
Marge Howard-Jones asked if they were envisioning that area as
a little park kind of place?
Mr. Neu responded that this was intended to be a natural open
space area section of the eucalyptus grove that would be
retained as kind of a buffer between the two projects.
Marge Howard-Jones further questioned about the trail.
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Mr. Neu reiterated that a trail will be constructed from the street
into the area and some project marking.
Commissioner McCann asked how is it protected? Is there any
degree of protection on it? Is it going to be fenced?
Mr. Neu told the Commission that there was none proposed with
this Plan. That is something that the Commission could consider
if there is a concern.
Commissioner Gallegos stated he would hate to see fencing
because then you put up something that’s not natural which
would detract from it, but I would like to see something along
the lines of maintenance so that it could be fixed up if needed.
Questions were raised concerning landscaping around the grain
bin and Mr. Neu explained that the only landscaping planned at
this time was the eucalyptus trees in the area. Mr. Neu further
explained that other landscaping is a possibility and that the
project would have a Homeowner’s Association and envision that
would be the means of maintenance and upkeep of this area.
Chairperson Howard-Jones stated she would like a sign that tied
the granary to the Barn. An architectural rendering including
both structures would be really effective.
Commissioners discussed prior conditions for the Barn. Staff
member Neu stated that the developer would make the Barn
materials available for other projects or to use as an entry
statement. The time frame for this was left open. The
Commissioners were told that the applicant is willing to take the
Barn apart if someone wanted it.
Nancy Hayward, George Wimpey, asked the Commission about
the sign on the grain bin and if the Commission was talking
about an additional sign.
Commissioner Gallegos said that in his opinion the Stagecoach
sign should be down where the Stagecoach area was and the
other where the granaries at should be something that explains
about the granary such as a monument sign.
Nancy Hayward further explained that they were going to have
information recorded about the barn. Ms Hayward requested of
the Commission what kinds of information they want recorded
and Ms Cratty has said that Alan Kelly, Jr. is willing to speak on
the video. We don‘t know if he wanted to take parts out of the
EIR Report, the structural report, so we need input from the
Commission so that it reflects the way the Commission would
want it done.
Chairperson Howard-Jones asked if the developer was prepared
to offer any mitigation that the Commission could use for
Historic Preservation?
Ms Hayward explained that when the developer originally made
the offer of a contribution they assumed that the Commission
wanted to do something with the barn and the decision could be
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made locally to do something, such as move it and set it up
somewhere else. The developer had no problem doing that. Any
other sort of donation has to have a proposal and a project laid
out the developer and the funds come from the United Kingdom
headquarters.
Chairperson Howard-Jones explained that what the Commission
was hoping for was money that could be put into a revolving
trust fund for Historic Preservation for Carlsbad. So this would
be directly related to Historic Preservation. The actual
expenditures would be on as needed basis.
Ms Hayward told the Commission that she would like to have
that proposal along with some of the Commission's goals and
what the Commission's objectives are and they could get that off
to London to start that process.
RAMSAY HOUSE
Patty Cratty gave the presentation on Ramsay House noting that
the Commission had heard this project a couple of months ago
and had recommended to the City Council that Ramsay House
not be relocated. Since that time the applicant has returned with
seven (7) different options. That applicant did want the
Commission to see what kind of things could be done, all the
way from doing nothing and leaving the property as it is to doing
a four lot subdivision which is what the applicant would prefer
to do.
Staff looked at the options to see which ones would meet code
easily and which options were desirable from their standpoint.
Staff chose five of the options as far as meeting the code and
developing the criteria in order to get a four lot subdivision which
requires moving the Ramsay House. Ms Cratty went on to
explain to the Commission what the options were and what the
best location for the house would be.
The Historic Preservation Commission recommended that Study
No. 5 be selected because it meets requirements, is supported by
staff, it provides for four lot subdivision, it has a cul-de-sac. The
Commission would not make a motion for a selection of any
other Study at this time.
The motion was amended to recommend Study No. 5 with the
relocation of some of the palm trees from Lot 3 to Lot 4 and
expansion of Lot 4 by a minimum of looh.
Rancho Carrillo Master Plan
Brian Hunter, Senior Planner, gave a presentation to the
Commission on the Rancho Carrillo Master Plan. Mr. Hunter
explained where the Planning Department was at this point in
time in the process of the Master Plan. It was expressed that
there are several archaeological sites at this location.
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Mr. Hunter explained some of the problems with the sites and
what mitigation measures may be needed for the project. Mr.
Hunter told the Commission that it would take the Planning
Department a year or so from the time that the environmental
analysis begins to finish.
There was much discussion regarding the alignment and
necessity of Melrose Drive in the City of Carlsbad.
Item #5 was taken out of order at this time.
5. Environmental ImDact ReDorts
Eric Munoz distributed copies of the Environmental Review
Update for September 1991, and read through it for the
Commission.
OLD BUSINESS: (Continued)
4. General Information - Archeo GuidelinesMlo rkshoq
Commissioner Gallegos informed the Commission that they were
going to have a workshop with the Planners on the guidelines
adopted by the State. The workshop will be held on Tuesday,
September 24, 1991 from 10 a.m. to noon at the Utilities/
Maintenance Conference Room located at Community
Development Building, 2075 Las Palmas Drive, Carlsbad.
8. Barrio Fiesta DavS
Chairperson Howard-Jones gave a report to the Commission on
the Fiesta and the status of the Exhibit Booth. The Commission
set up times as to when they would be at the Fiesta to help at
the table in the museum.
6. Letter from the Office o f Historic Preservation reaardinq
Educat ional Out reach - (Continued)
7. Mills Act Aareement - (Continued)
NEW BUSINESS:
9. Nominations for National Reaistrv Status - (Continued)
10. October Calendar and Aaenda
The Commission discussed an alternative meeting day for the
months of October and November since the regular meeting day
falls on a City Holiday. The Commission decided to hold the
October meeting on October 10, 1991 and the November
meeting on November 7, 1991.
The Historic Preservation Commission continued items 6, 7 and
9 to the next meeting.
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11. Growth Manaaement Monthlv Status ReDort
Information Item Only.
12. Summaries from various Boards, Co mmittees and Commissions
Information Item only.
13. News ArticlesKo rresDo ndenceNorkshoD
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of September 9. 1991, was adjourned at
7:30 p.m., to Tuesday, September 24, 1991 at 1O:OO a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
PATRICIA CRAT~
Senior Management Analyst
Barbara Nedros
Secretary
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