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MINUTES
MEETING OF: HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: November 14, 2005
TIME OF MEETING: 5:30 PM
PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Conference Room
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Gutierrez called the meeting to order at 5:35 PM.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Christiansen, Gutierrez, Ladouceur, Smith,
and Trejo
Absent: None
Also Present Were: Heather Pizzuto, Library Director
Bobbie Hoder, Volunteer
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Commissioner Ladouceur moved the minutes be approved as submitted.
Chair Gutierrez commented that he did not feel the minutes reflected the amount of
time that was spent reviewing the Municipal Code, which established the responsibilities
and duties of the Commission, that he feels are obsolete and no longer apply. He
referred the Commissioners to the City of Carlsbad Historic Preservation webpage that
contains a summary of the Commission duties and reflects changes in their mission
from what is listed in the Municipal Code.
There being no further comments, Commissioner Christiansen seconded the motion to
approve the minutes as submitted and by proper vote the minutes of the meeting held
September 12, 2005 were approved as presented.
AGENDA DEVELOPMENT AND PROTOCOL:
Library Director Pizzuto advised the commission that she had put this on the agenda as
a discussion item because the previous meeting was conducted in a conversational
manner making it extremely time-consuming to assemble the minutes to follow the
published agenda. She asked that the meeting follow the agenda and finish all
discussion on each item before moving ahead.
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Library Director Pizzuto also reminded the Commissionors that they had requested the
agenda packet earlier than previous months and staff had complied. She suggested
the downside of establishing the agenda and mailing the packet early is the occasion
when a Commissioner wants to add something to the agenda but it has already been
published.
Chair Gutierrez responded that he preferred getting the packet earlier than seven days
prior to the meeting and the other Commissioners concurred.
Chair Gutierrez asked for the minutes to be separated from the agenda packet and
mailed much earlier as a reminder of tasks assigned for completion by the next
meeting.
Commissioner Ladouceur suggested that the meeting agenda be routinely compiled
two weeks prior to the meeting. In that way, both the Chair and any of the
Commissioners who wished to add an item to the agenda would know they must notify
the staff liaison for the Commission at least two weeks before the meeting date.
Commissioner Ladouceur also suggested that each Commissioner take their own notes
especially if they have action items or tasks they are responsible for completing during
the period between the meetings.
Chair Gutierrez offered to send email reminders to any Commissioners who have tasks
or responsibilities for information for the next meeting.
Library Director Pizzuto confirmed with the Commission that they would like to receive
the packet two weeks prior to the meeting; in which case, three weeks prior to the
meeting would be the deadline for requesting items for the agenda.
STAFF REPORT ON CURRENT PROJECTS:
Heritage Tree Survey - Library Director Pizzuto introduced Bobbie Hoder, a recently
retired Planning Department manager and staff liaison to the Planning Commission for
twenty years. Library Director Pizzuto explained that she had asked Ms. Hoder to
assist with the assessment of the Heritage Tree Survey project and to help identify what
next steps were needed. Ms. Hoder volunteered to assist with the project and Library
Director Pizzuto asked her to inform the Commission of her findings.
Ms Hoder explained that the survey report contains many typographical errors that
would have to be corrected before the report could be presented to the City Council.
She continued that this report is now several years old and therefore it would be
necessary to determine if the trees identified are there, and if not, an addendum to the
report would contain that information. She also pointed out that the report would need
to be submitted to the Planning Department to determine if an Environmental Review
would be required.
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Library Director Pizzuto added that staff has contacted the author, Mr. Wisniewski, and
asked for a digital copy of the report and photographs to produce a clean document
suitable for copying for the City Council.
Ms. Hoder stated it would also be necessary to notify the private property tree owners
that their tree is included in the report and provide them with a copy of the appropriate
portion of the report before the report went to Council.
Chair Gutierrez asked if a letter was necessary if the Commission did not move ahead
with a walking tour and Library Director Pizzuto explained there would actually be two
letters for the private property owners: one letter would advise that their tree was
identified in the report; a separate letter would notify them of the Commission's intent to
publish the information in a tour brochure.
Ms. Hoder suggested the Commission consider holding a public meeting to discuss the
report and invite all the owners of the private property trees to give them the opportunity
to address the Commission with any concerns. Following that meeting the Commission
would present the report to the City Council through an agenda bill, and the report
would appear as a public hearing on the agenda providing another opportunity for the
private property tree owners to comment on the report.
Commissioner Ladouceur suggested the walking tour project be tabled until the report
was finalized and presented to City Council.
Commissioner Christiansen expressed concern over the number of trees identified in
the draft walking tour that have been removed. He suggested the Commission send
the previously drafted letter to the property owners immediately in an effort to save the
remaining trees.
Ms. Hoder responded that to send the letter now would be premature because the
property owner would need access to the referenced report, and the report is not ready
for release, even in draft form.
Library Director Pizzuto emphasized the importance of proceeding with the project in an
orderly manner to move it forward to completion and acceptance by the City Council.
Commissioner Ladouceur suggested the City contract with Mark Wisniewski to prepare
the addendum to the report and move forward in the process as recommended by
Library Director Pizzuto and Ms. Hoder.
There was no formal motion or vote on this item.
Historic Marker Plaques - Gaus & Ramirez dwellings -Library Director Pizzuto
referred the Commission to the written update report and provided a photo of a possible
readymade monument on which to install the plaques.
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The Commissioners discussed various plaques and methods of installation. Chair
Gutierrez referenced the plaques in Julian and their various methods of installation.
Commissioner Ladouceur commented that all the plaques should be uniform in size
and that the installation should be somewhat uniform and consistent, and Chair
Gutierrez suggested that the size should vary depending on its intended location.
There was disagreement among the Commissioners as to whether or not the
consistency in size, material and appearance was desirable and practical. Several of
the Commissioners expressed support for the bronze plaques ordered in the past.
Library Director Pizzuto suggested several ways to proceed, to include contacting the
supplier of the readymade pedestal for an estimate and contacting the Julian Historical
Society for information on their procedure and guidelines for placement of historical
markers in that town.
Commissioner Trejo will speak with her family again to see if they will construct the
pedestal she originally had in mind when she agreed to the plaque for the Gaus house.
Library Director Pizzuto asked if the Commission would like to set some standards for
future plaques and Chair Gutierrez reiterated his suggestion that they determine the
installation as well as the location before ordering a plaque. Several of the other
Commissioners disagreed with his concept, stating they wanted a consistency that
would be recognizable as a City of Carlsbad historical marker.
After more discussion, Library Director Pizzuto offered to research the cost of various
methods of installation and options in size for the Commission's review.
Chair Gutierrez offered to email a list of existing plaques to the Commissioners.
Self-guided tour- Library Director Pizzuto provided the quotes for the reprint of this
brochure ranging from $2,400 to $2,700, depending on the number ordered.
Chair Gutierrez suggested the Commission order a smaller quantity and the
Commission agreed. By proper motion and vote the Commission voted to order a
quantity with a cost not to exceed $2,000.
Library Director Pizzuto offered to research other options for funding the printing in the
future
PLAQUES INSTALLATION:
The Commission did not take any action on installation of the two remaining plaques
based on the earlier discussion of on-going projects and possibilities to be researched.
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CONGRESS OF HISTORY MEMBERSHIP:
By proper motion and vote the Commission unanimously approved the membership
expense for the Congress of History, requesting staff to take the necessary actions.
DEVELOP PROJECTS LIST:
Library Director Pizzuto suggested prioritizing the long list compiled by this Commission
by identifying two immediate projects and three long-range projects using the multi-
voting process. The resulting list would be provided to the Mayor as requested in his
response to Chair Gutierrez's request for some direction for this Commission. The
Mayor suggested the Commission provide a list of ideas they would like to pursue and
any costs associated.
Chair Gutierrez responded that his letter to the Mayor followed a telephone
conversation he had with Marilyn Strong in the Council office in which he expressed his
frustration in determining the responsibilities of this Commission. Chair Gutierrez
interpreted the Mayor's response to imply that the Mayor and Council were looking for a
list of projects recommended by this Commission as having historical significance and
worthy of consideration for the City to undertake and fund. Chair Gutierrez continued
that the list before the Commission contains several projects of this nature.
Library Director Pizzuto referred the Commission to the last meeting at which one of the
goals expressed was to look at all the options for spending their time and energy and
identifying what, as the Commission, they would want to pursue; to develop a prioritized
list of what they wanted to accomplish and in what order. She continued that perhaps
there were two things they could accomplish by reviewing the list.
Chair Gutierrez interjected his concern that the Commission was missing an opportunity
to send forward a few items to the Mayor and Council for consideration as City projects
but if they send forward a list of thirty or so they would get bogged down in the process.
Commissioner Christiansen suggested each Commissioner choose his or her favorite
project and then present their argument for support to the rest of the Commissioners,
and to use that as a basis for prioritizing the list. Chair Gutierrez concurred and asked
Commissioner Christiansen to present his choice.
Commissioner Christiansen responded that he would like "preserving El Salto falls" to
be one of the Commission's priority projects. Commissioner Christiansen described the
location of the falls as near the quarry with portions of the falls in Oceanside and
Carlsbad. He had discussed the preservation with the Buena Vista Lagoon Foundation
and believes the State Fish and Game Commission may also be interested in
preserving the area. He had a five-minute DVD about the falls that he offered to share
with the Commissioners.
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Commissioner Christiansen referenced a conversation he had with former Council
Member Julie Nygaard about Carlsbad's Williamson Act funds (agricultural preserve
funds) when she had suggested applying in January for a planning grant for this project.
Library Director Pizzuto asked the Commissioner if he could define the scope of
involvement for the Historic Preservation Commission in this project.
Commissioner Christiansen suggested that although the project was only in the
formative stages, he could see the Commission take the lead in bringing the different
agencies together recognizing the opportunity to do something of long-term historic
significance for the City.
Library Director Pizzuto asked the Commissioner if he would have a clearer picture of
this Commission's involvement after his meeting next week with the Buena Vista
Lagoon Foundation.
Commissioner Christiansen responded that he would have more information and a
clearer scope of involvement after the Williamson Fund grants were awarded by the
City Council sometime in January.
Library Director Pizzuto asked Chair Gutierrez if he wanted to continue with the
discussion by allowing the other Commissioners to champion their number one project
and he responded that he would like to present his number one priority and then have
each Commissioner do the same, moving then those favorites to the top five on the list
to be prioritized at the next meeting.
The development of the museum in the Magee House and Barn is his first choice for a
Commission project, to include custom-made display cases and which he estimates
could cost up to $30,000. He would also like to see more of Carlsbad's history
emphasized on the City's webpage to include promoting the museum.
Commissioner Ladouceur said that she supported continuing the programs and projects
already undertaken by the Commission to include the continued identification and
marking of historical locations (plaques) which serve to educate the Citizens on areas of
historical importance.
Chair Gutierrez added that the City needs one large explanatory plaque for the tourists
so they can see the entire layout of the town in addition to individual plaques at various
locations.
Commissioner Ladouceur also expressed the importance of finishing the Heritage Tree
report to City Council and continuing the Third Grade Art Contest.
Commissioners Ladouceur, Smith and Trejo expressed dismay at a letter received from
the Carlsbad Historical Society Board indicating they could not guarantee providing
school tours of the Magee house and barn in 2006.
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Commissioner Smith supported the continuation of installation of historic plaques,
especially downtown, but also felt the El Salto falls project needed further investigation,
as she was not sure how this Commission would get involved in the planning
department process.
Chair Gutierrez added that he liked her suggestion that they commission some
historical murals around town, and suggested one for the side of Magee barn, funded
by the City Council.
Chair Gutierrez asked Commissioner Trejo if the roundabout for Walnut and Roosevelt
was a new idea or something promised in the past?
Commissioner Trejo responded that it was part of the Barrio plan but the plan was
never adopted by the City Council.
Chair Gutierrez asked if there was any way to put a historic spin on the project to carry
it forward as a project for this Commission and Commissioner Trejo responded that she
thought it would be a good traffic safety improvement.
Bobbie Hoder, previous Planning Department employee, suggested that Commissioner
Trejo take her suggestion to the Traffic Safety Commission for consideration as this
type of request falls within their purview.
Commissioner Smith suggested this Commission investigate the possibility of saving
the old Grandpa Kelly house, currently located on the Rancho Carlsbad property.
Library Director Pizzuto reviewed the "favorites list" established by the Commissioners
at this meeting that totaled maybe eight or nine projects that could become the list to be
prioritized by the Commission instead of the larger one.
Chair Gutierrez proposed that any further discussion or action on prioritizing the list be
tabled until the next meeting due to the lateness of the hour.
Library Director Pizzuto suggested that Commissioner Christiansen provide additional
information on the El Salto falls project before they took action on prioritizing the list..
She also offered to provide copies of the DVD for the Commissioners to view prior to
the next meeting.
Commissioner Christiansen asked if the Commission was limited as to the length of the
meeting?
Library Director Pizzuto responded that to her knowledge there is no set time period for
this or any other Board or Commission meeting but that it appears there are two
Commissioners who need to leave because of other commitments.
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By proper motion and vote the Commission approved tabling the prioritizing of the
potential projects list until the next meeting.
Commissioner Ladouceur asked Library Director Pizzuto to please reorganize the list of
potential projects so that those identified as "favorites" appeared at the top, and to
email the revised list to the Commissioners prior to the next meeting.
FUTURE CARLSBAD HISTORICAL SOCIETY PROJECT REPORTS:
Chair Gutierrez asked Library Director Pizzuto why this item was on the agenda?.
Library Director Pizzuto responded that it was added to the agenda following a
suggestion from the last meeting, as updates from the Carlsbad Historical Society had
previously been a routine item on the agenda.
Although Commissioner Smith volunteered to serve in this capacity, there was no
formal decision. The Commissioners discussed the natural overlap between the two
groups because so many of the Commissioners are also members of the Society. They
also felt it was important to keep abreast of projects being undertaken by the Historical
Society as well as the Friends of Carrillo Ranch group.
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Library Director Pizzuto announced that the staff support for this Commission at this
point would remain with the Library. That it was her recommendation as the new library
director as she felt library staff could provide continuity and was prepared to support the
Commission's activities. The library has invested a substantial amount of time to try to
sort through what has transpired in the past and to get the projects back on track.
Deputy Library Director Smithson will be the staff liaison upon her return from maternity
leave next week. Library Director Pizzuto also pledged her continued involvement until
such time as Deputy Library Director Smithson has returned to her regular work
schedule and is brought current with Commission issues.
Chair Gutierrez referenced the email message received from Commissioner
Christiansen wherein he had advised Council Member Sigafoose would be attending
tonight's meeting. Commissioner Christiansen responded that the Council Member
called him earlier this afternoon to advise that she would not be able to attend after all.
Chair Gutierrez asked if she would be attending the future meetings and Commissioner
Christiansen responded that she had accepted his invitation for the sole purpose of
viewing the DVD on El Salto, and he had no indication that she would attend future
meetings. Chair Gutierrez responded that Council Member Kulchin had mentioned that
Council Member Sigafoose was being assigned as a Council liaison to this
Commission.
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Several Commissioners offered their congratulations to Library Director Pizzuto for her
promotion and thanked her and Bobbie Hoder for all their hard work in on the Heritage
Tree Survey project.
PUBLIC COMMENTS:
NONE
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the meeting was adjourned at 7:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cissie Sexron
Administrative Secretary
Staff Report to the Commission
November 14,2005 Meeting
HERITAGE TREE SURVEY & WALKING TOUR*
Original survey (report) and walking tour binders relocated to Library Administration
Survey copied and forwarded to Parks Department, as requested, for accessibility of
Parks and Recreation Commission
Survey report proof-read with errors identified in preparation for creating a public
document
Letter to Mark Wisniewski requesting inventory report in electronic form for editing
(to include photos).
Research underway to identify and assemble all documents relating to the original
project. (Necessary information in order to create time line of past action.)
o Nextsteps . Create new time line for tasks identified as necessary and as yet
incomplete . Once report received in electronic form, make corrections needed as
identified by proofreader
H Identify procedure for processing City documents and reports through
Leadership Team and City Council
*The Heritage Tree walking tour brochure should not move forward until the Heritage
Tree Report has at least been presented to the Leadership Team, and probably the City
Council.
HISTORIC MARKER PLAQUES FOR GAUS AND RAMERIZ HOUSES
P Contacted Mark Sainz who met with property owners and determined plaques could
not be installed on existing posts (posts too narrow.) > Researched purchase of readymade pedestals
P Met with property owner for apprwal of design of readymade pedestal
o Nextsteps . Contact supplier for price and availability of readymade pedestal, to
include delivery . Check with City regarding any permit requirements
= Contact contractor to arrange for installation of plaques on pedestals
“HISTORIC CARLSBAD, A SELF GUIDED TOUR” BROCHURE
> Contacted the printer to locate digital file from the last printing of the brochure > Requested quotation for reprint order
o Nextsteps . Commission to approve re-order number and expenditure