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MINUTES
MEETING OF:
DATE OF MEETING:
TIME OF MEETING:
PLACE OF MEETING:
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
July 9, 2007
5:30 PM
City Council Conference Room
CALL TO ORDER:
Commissioner Ladouceur called the meeting to order at 5:33 PM.
ROLL CALL:
Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Commissioners Christiansen, Daly, Hinman, Ladouceur and Smith
None
Suzanne Smithson, Deputy Library Director
Heather Pizzuto, Library Director
Debbie Fountain, Director of Housing & Redevelopment
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The minutes of the May 14, 2007 meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission
were approved as submitted.
VILLAGE REDEVELOPMENT STANDARDS:
Chair Ladouceur welcomed Director Fountain who was attending the meeting at the
request of the Commissioners to provide information on the proposed revisions to the
development standards for the Redevelopment Area.
Director Fountain distributed copies of a scaled-down version of the PowerPoint
presentation previously presented at Council and several public workshops. She
explained that the working from the original Master Plan this effort is to fine-tune some
of the development standards.
She reviewed the goals and vision of the Village stressing the desire to maintain its
uniqueness and combine existing historical buildings with new in the development of an
urban village.
She explained that part of the process is a modeling of what the proposed development
standards would look like resulting in a 3-D experience scheduled for Legoland where
you can put on the glasses and walk through the model which will simulate the actual
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look and feel of street and buildings. Following that, the proposed revisions will go
before the Design Review Board and then to the City Council probably sometime in
September or October of this year.
Director Fountain added that they are still accepting comments through the public
hearing process into September or October.
Chair Ladouceur expressed her concern that some of the buildings in the village that
are of historical significance would be preserved.
Director Fountain responded that she understood the goals of this Commission but at
the same time the direction from the City Council was to look at development standards
and identify the constraints to development in the area. She added that there are
property owners who recognize the value of preserving historical sites as evidenced by
the owners of Village Faire who are planning a significant renovation to the old
Neiman's and have expressed their intention to restore that facility to some of its
original look.
Following several more questions, Director Fountain explained that there is no
mandatory historical preservation ordinance in the City of Carlsbad and perhaps this
Commission and the City Council have competing interests with regard to the village
area.
PROPERTIES OF CONCERN:
South Coast Quarry - Chair Ladouceur reported that both she and Commissioner
Christiansen were at the City Council meeting on June 19th to speak at the public
hearing on the draft Housing Element and the proposal to build moderate income
housing in the Buena Vista Creek area but the item was set aside until the July 17th
meeting. She will be out of town at that time but Commissioner Hinman offered to
speak in her absence.
Commissioner Christiansen brought the Commission up to date on the status of the
sale of the property and statements from the developer with regard to enhancing the El
Salto waterfalls and valley floor while providing public access.
Commissioner Christianson also advised the Commission on the importance of having
the property removed from the SANDAG designation of a "smart growth" site, a position
he said is also supported by the Housing Commission.
There was further discussion of possible actions appropriate for the Commission and by
proper motion and vote, Commissioner Hinman was selected to speak on behalf of the
Commission at the Council meeting on July 17th in support of the preservation of the
falls.
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Gazebo in Rotary Park - Chair Ladouceur had a history of the gazebo from the
Carlsbad Library Local History Room which indicated the gazebo, built in 1970, had
already been moved once. She has spoken with Kurt Burkhart at the ConVis office
located in the old Santa Fe Depot and he has confirmed that they do want to move it
and Kit McBain speaking on behalf of the Carlsbad Hi-Noon Rotary has stated that they
are willing to move it to wherever the City designates and maintain it in the future.
Although they have identified four possible sites to for the structure: the old Split-
Pavilion site, Magee Park, Pine Park and Maxton Brown Park, they have not presented
this offer formally to the City Council.
There was some discussion about the history of the structure and both Commissioners
Hinman and Smith volunteered to check further and validate the information. Also
discussed was ownership of the gazebo and support from this Commission for the Hi-
Noon Rotary offer.
It was decided to table any letter of support on the project until after the Hi-Noon Rotary
has taken the necessary steps to get on the City Council agenda to propose their
solution.
Sante Fe Depot - Chair Ladouceur reported that the depot will have to be moved
within the next ten years to accommodate the new tracks and this structure is of
significant historic value as the oldest depot in the area which is still on its original site.
She was not advocating any action at this point but wanted it before the Commission as
information and something to keep in mind.
Carlsbad Theatre - Chair Ladouceur also reported that the Carlsbad Theatre building
is for sale again and wondered if the Commission would like to write him a letter urging
him to advise the new owner that it is a historical building. Commissioner Smith pointed
out that there is already a historic plaque on the front of the building and the
Commissioners did not decide to initiate any action.
Commissioner Ladouceur requested a supply of the walking tour brochures, which
includes the theatre as one of the sites, and she will take them to Mr. McMann to have
available in the lobby of the theatre.
STAFF REPORTS
Third Grade Art Contest - Deputy Library Director Smithson announced that the
winning entries are currently on display at the Cole Library and will remain there through
the month of July. Even though the awards presentation from the City Council had to
be postponed until after the school year ended the attendance was very good, with only
about five of the twenty-four not attending.
Deputy Library Director Smithson added that the new process seems to be working well
and the awards ceremony was much better than the last.
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The schools in other school districts were Carlsbad children attend were again invited to
participate, and although we know some of them scheduled tours of the Magee House,
none of them chose to submit artwork for the contest.
Commissioner Smith suggested trying to get the contest on the Council calendar earlier
and Deputy Library Director Smithson reminded her that we had secured a place on the
June 5 meeting but Council cancelled the meeting.
Chair Ladouceur added that this year 42 classes toured Magee House and the students
seemed to be more prepared and knowledgeable than in years past. Commissioner
Smith said the traveling "Trunk Shows" helped to prepare the classes for what to expect
at the museum.
Heritage Tree Report - Deputy Library Director Smithson reviewed the revised
process list for the document and shared the first draft from the printer. The draft of the
document and the letter to the private property owners will be reviewed by the Assistant
City Manager within the next two weeks. Unless otherwise directed, copies of the draft
report will be mailed to the Commissioners once they are received from the printer.
Existing Plaques - Commissioner Smith reported she has not be successful in
speaking with Mr. Carreon regarding the plaque for the Ramirez House.
Commissioner Hinman reported she had spoken to Able Garcia at the Barber Shop and
he had suggested two possible locations for the installation of the South Coast Land
Company plaque.
Proposed Ordinance Revision - Deputy Library Director Smithson announced this
document was ready to be submitted to the City Attorney's office for direction on how to
proceed.
NEW PLAQUES:
o Red Apple Inn - The Commissioners chose the photograph with the "Chicken
Dinner 75 cents" sign as their first choice for the plaque and the revised text. The
Commission by proper motion and vote established the format for this and all future
plaques to be in sentence case, not all uppercase, and to include "Courtesy of the City
of Carlsbad Historic Preservation Commission" on this and all subsequent plaques.
o Barrio Museum - There was considerable discussion over the accuracy of the
proposed text for the site and perhaps its value is the museum itself but not the actual
structure. There was consensus that information on pool hall building in the rear should
not appear on the same plaque as the museum.
Much discussion followed about rewriting or rearranging the text to better reflect the
importance or significance of the site. Commissioners Hinman and Smith agreed to
research the background for this site further and report back to the Commission.
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Library Director Pizzuto asked if the Commission had developed criteria for identifying
buildings appropriate for historical markers on the basis that it is a unique building, or
was the first of something, or played a prominent role in the history of the City.
The Commissioners did not recall that there had been any criteria developed and
Library Director Pizzuto suggested that perhaps before moving forward with identifying
any more sites for markers the Commission should undertake the establishment of
criteria that would fit within their goals for this program.
PUBLIC COMMENTS:
NONE
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Commissioner Ladouceur encouraged everyone to visit the New Village Arts Theater.
Commissioner Ladouceur also added that she was concerned about the Village
Redevelopment Standards as explained by Director Fountain and Commissioners
Smith and Christiansen agreed they were also.
Commissioner Christiansen pointed out that in the draft Heritage Tree Report there are
trees identified that no longer exist, like the Canary Island Palms that were in front of
the Gage House. He added that since the original study in 2001 at least twenty of the
documented trees have been destroyed indicating the urgency in moving the report
along and notifying private property owners who have heritage trees on their property.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the meeting was adjourned at 7:53 p.m.
Cissie Sexton
Administrative Secretary
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HERITAGE TREE SURVEY
July 2007 - revised draft
Proposed Process
Provide finished product (Phase I of the study) and draft letter to property
owners for review by Assistant City Manager & City Attorney's office.
Reproduce finished report (Phase I) for review by Historic Preservation
Commission.
Notify property owners according to direction from Assistant City Manager
and City Attorney's office.
Provide copies of the finished product to the Parks & Recreation Commission.
Request time on Parks & Recreation Commission meeting agenda for arborist
to present report.
Request Parks & Recreation Commission prepare agenda bill for City Council
requesting review and adoption of the report as an Addendum to Chapter 7 of
the Community Forest Management Plan (as adopted by City Council in
2002.), and designating the trees in the report as Heritage Trees in
accordance with Municipal Code Title11, Chapter11.12, Section 11.12.140.
Upon adoption by the Council, provide & distribute copies of the Addendum to
the Community Forest Management Plan.
Contact property owners of Heritage Trees for permission to include their
trees in a walking tour brochure.
Develop final version of tour brochure & maps and provide to Council as
informational item.
Print and distribute tour brochures, including one to private tree owners.
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