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PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
June 22, 1981
6:30 P.M.
Levante Community Center
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Vice-Chairman Murk at
6:34 P.M.
ROLL CALL
Present - Vice-Chairman Murk, Commissioners Boone, Donovan,
and Wright. Also present was Council Liaison Lewis.
Commissioner McFadden arrived at 6:35 P.M.
Commissioner Tarango arrived at 7:08 P.M.
Absent - Chairman Dahlquist.
CHANGE TO AGENDA
Vice-Chairman Murk suggested that Item No. 5b, the Levante
Park/School Proposed Field Alignment, be heard as the first
item on the agenda, due to the number of people present to
hear same. The Commission concurred.
Levante Park/School Proposed Field Alignment
David Bradstreet, Director of Parks and Recreation, gave
some background on the Shapell Building.
Director Bradstreet continued, explaining the safety problems
of the existing two new softball fields with adjacent area
residents. He pointed out that the major problems were with
foul balls, and rock throwing into the yards of the area
residents. He also reported on the complaints received by
the Parks and Recreation Department, and explained what the
Department has done to date to correct the situation.
Director Bradstreet suggested such alternatives to the
situation as fencing along the left and right field sides,
the use of landscaping to buffer the noise, and a hooded
backstop. He stated that the City could choose to eliminate
the softball activities entirely; however, there are no
conducive areas which could be utilized as active play areas
elsewhere in the City. Director Bradstreet presented a plan
to the Commission, which proposed relocating the existing
backstops approximately forty feet in; however, this would
require having to re-do the infields.
Director Bradstreet stated that their recommendation was to
purchase two portable backstops, and move the two existing
backstops to Buena Vista and Jefferson.
In response to Commission query, Director Bradstreet explained
that moving the backstops would not affect the soccer
activities; however, he indicated that some major irrigation
changes would have to be made. He added that with the use
of portable backstops, it becomes a multi-facilitated
athletic area.
Director Bradstreet concluded that the Encinitas School
District would have to approve any changes that are made,
and the plan is currently in front of the City Managers'
office.
Commission discussion reflected the drainage from the slopes,
Staffs' proposal for the portable backstops, planting of the
infield, and the relocation of the irrigation system.
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The Commission recognized Don Taylor, 3109 Serrano Drive,
Carlsbad. Mr. Taylor thanked Director Bradstreet for his
assistance in the situation, and stated that he was concerned
with the noise problem, and foul balls in his yard. Mr.
Taylor indicated that he agreed with Staff's recommendation
of relocating the fields, and feels this would alleviate the
current problems of noise, foul balls, and intrusion.
The Commission recognized Dave Kapich, 3111 Serrano Drive,
Carlsbad. Mr. Kapich stated his concern dealt with the
problem of noise, and voiced objection that an EIR was never
done of the fields in question. He added that moving the
fields to the center would definitely help the situation,
in addition to a reduction in the adult scheduling.
The Commission recognized Kathleen Taylor, 3109 Serrano
Drive, Carlsbad. Mrs. Taylor explained that they did not
have any problems until the baseball fields were put in. She
stated that they bought their house, due to the closeness to
the park and school site; however, now that the ball fields
are in, her children can not even play in the back yard,
because of the potential of foul balls.
The Commission recognized Bernie Vitek, 7208 Manzanita
Street, Carlsbad. Mr. Vitek indicated that he represented
the La Costa Mens Softball League, and it is made up of
approximately 99 percent of people living in the La Costa
area. He stated that the League is willing to work with the
people in the situation. The League held a meeting, and
instructed the players to stop jumping fences to retrieve
foul balls. He concluded by stating that he feels the idea
of moving the backstops is a good one, and that the League
did not wish to antagonize the residents of the area; however,
wanted to play through the summer.
The Commission recognized Arnie Goluboff, 2315 Caringa Way,
Carlsbad. Mr. Goluboff stated that along with the La Costa
Mens Softball League, he is also involved in Little League.
He pointed out that they have an additional ten teams wishing
to play; however, they can not accomodate them, due to the
field situation.
The Commission recognized Mike Marlowe, 7927 Arbusto Court,
Carlsbad; representing the La Costa Youth Organization.
Mr. Marlowe stated that they had requested fencing, and went
to Council Member Kulchin with same. However, they only
received negative results. He also pointed out that Levante
is the only place with full size fields that can accomodate
such activities as softball and soccer.
The Commission recognized Charles Nuff, 2822 Luciernaga,
Carlsbad; who inquired as to the effect on the soccer fields
if the backstops were moved. ^Director Bradstreet responded
that they were planning to wait until the middle of July,,
because of the existing youth leagues currently using the \
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The Commission recognized Paul Talley, 2586 Luciernaga,
Carlsbad. Mr. Talley pointed out that the children in Pony
League are hitting very far, indicating that it is not just
the adults who are able to put the balls out of the field.
Commissioner Donovan indicated that she visited the Taylor's
home, and saw the situation from a different perspective.
She stated that her main concern if that the residents who
live in the surrounding areas be protected.
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The Commission recognized Mike Grew, 1628 Calle Permanente,
Encinitas; who stated his opinion that the recommendation
for relocating the fields is the only good solution. He also
pointed out that 270 feet is a short field for some of the
players in these leagues. He suggested putting up high
fences in the outfields; however, added that noise and dust
are also problems. He stated his opinion that Staff's
proposal was a good one, if it would not interfere with the
soccer fields. In conclusion, he indicated that field
availability is a real problem, and those that are in use are
under constant heavy pressure.
Council Member Anear inquired if Pine Street School could be
used for the tournaments. Director Bradstreet explained
that there is only one adult lighted facility which is
under high intensity playing by the Pony League, and is
booked up on a continual basis.
Following discussion, the Commission recommended that the
existing backstops be relocated to Jefferson and Buena
Vista sites, and that portable backstops be purchased for
Levante, with an added stipulation for a chain link fence
along the back of the property line.
Director Bradstreet indicated that they wished to settle
the matter without going to the City Council for funding.
He added that he has contacted the Encinitas Optimist Club,
and they are willing to assist in the matter.
In response to Commission query regarding assistance from
some of the teams, Bernie Vitek, who represents the La
Costa Mens Softball League, indicated that they would make
attempts to raise money to assist in moving the backstops;
and also to receive donations for same.
Director Bradstreet explained that in talking with the City
Attorney, it was recommended that other organizations that
use the fields should carry liability insurance.
The Commission recognized Gertrude Lockwood, 3036 Levante,
Carlsbad. Ms. Lockwood requested cooperation on the part
of the teams and players that use Levante with respect to
the parking situation.
RECESS
Vice-Chairman Murk called a recess at 7:44 P.M., and the
Commission reconvened at 7:55 P.M. Vice-Chairman Murk
indicated that he had to leave at this time, and turned the
chair over to Commissioner Boone.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes of the Regular Meeting, held May 18, 1981, were
approved as submitted.
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OLD BUSINESS
Shapell Building
The Coimnission recommended that a letter of commendation be
sent to Doug Duncanson and the Park Crew for their work on
the Shapell Building.
NEW BUSINESS
Review of Alga Norte and Stagecoach Park Design
Director Bradstreet gave a brief report on the matter, and
introduced John Ortgiesen, the park design consultant.
With the aid of wall exhibits showing preliminary park
schematics, John Ortgiesen continued the presentation,
explaining the potential park design for Stagecoach Park.
Commission discussion reflected different amenities for the
parks, and alternatives to tennis court lighting.
Commission concerns included the property was too close to
the Encinitas border, and that the citizens of Carlsbad
would not use the facilities as much as citizens of Encinitas.
The Commission recognized Seena Trigas, who expressed concern
with Stagecoach Park, and the 1982-83 designation. Mr.
Ortgiesen explained that 1982-83 would cover the grading and
the initial development.
The City Manager explained that the question at hand is if
it is built, is it a good design. Mr. Aleshire also inquired
if it has been coordinated with the Park Master Plan.
Mr. Ortgiesen explained that he has been working within the
Capital Improvement Program
Council Member Anear suggested contacting the County to
ascertain if they are interested in participating with the
plan. Director Bradstreet indicated that Staff would look
into same.
Mr. Ortgiesen continued the presentation on Alga Norte,
with the aid of a wall exhibit, and explained the proposed
amenities.
Commission discussion reflected on the hours and closing of
parks, and the amenities as proposed by the consultant.
Director Bradstreet indicated that Alga Norte is Staffs'
highest recommendation, along with Macario Canyon; however,
explained that acquisition of the land is a long way off.
Land Exchange - Occidental
Director Bradstreet requested that this item be continued
to the next meeting. The Commission concurred.
Joint development of Fuerte Park/School with San Marcos
School District.
Director Bradstreet gave a report on the matter, with the aid
of a wall exhibit showing the location of same.
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Commission discussion reflected the individual Commissioners'
feelings on the matter.
A motion was made to reject the proposed joint development
of Fuerte Park with the San Marcos School District. The
motion failed due to lack of a majority.
Commissioner Donovan requested additional information and
investigation into the matter.
The City Manager stated his opinion that it is a good idea
to get some grading done now, and to do some preliminary
planning.
Doug Duncanson reported that studies are currently being done
by the San Marcos School District to determine the costs.
Following discussion, the concensus of the Commission was
that they were interested in Alga Norte, subject to receiving
information on grading costs and site preparation.
COUNCIL LIAISON REPORT
Council Liaison Lewis indicated that he had received a
request from Camp Pacific, who runs an aquatics program at
the lagoon, for a reduction in fees for their six vessels.
They are requesting they be required to pay fees on three
or four of their vessels, instead of all six.
Following brief discussion, the Commission recommended
denial of the request from Camp Pacific to the City Council.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
Commissioner McFadden reported on the Buena Vista Lagoon Day,
and indicated that all went well.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT
Budget Hearing
Director Bradstreet reported on the Budget Hearing, held
June 15, 1981.
Swim Complex
Director Bradstreet reported that the swim complex may be
approximately one week behind; however, engineering reports
that it is on schedule.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
Director Bradstreet referred to the letter from Pastor J.
Rommereim, and stated that Staff denied his request; and
they are appealing the matter to the Commission for a
facility use for the Levante Community Center.
The concensus of the Commission was that the Facility Use
Request states that no religious or political organization
are to be included. The Commission agreed to bring the item
up at a later date for discussion.
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Review Jefferson/Buena Vista Park Plan
Bob Wilkinson, the new Park Planner, gave a report on the
matter.
Council Member Anear expressed concern over the noise
potential if there is playing activity in the area. Bob
Wilkinson explained that there would be no problem, as the
diamond was pulled forty feet away from the property line.
He added that soccer is the primary use.
Following brief discussion, the Commission accepted Staffs'
conceptual plan.
Request from the San Diego County St. Bernards' Association
and the Department of Motor Vehicles
Lynn Chase, Recreation Superintendent, reported that Staff
has received a request from the San Diego County St. Bernards'
Association for the use of Magee Park on August 22, 1981, for
a dog show.
Mrs. Chase also reported that Staff has received another
request from the Oceanside Office of the Department of Motor
Vehicles for the use of Holiday Park on September 26, 1981,
for a fund raising rummage sale to buy appliances for their
office.
The Commission denied the request from the San Diego County
St. Bernards' Association for the use of Magee Park on
August 22, 1981.
The Commission denied the request from the Department of
Motor Vehicles for use of Holiday Park on September 26, 1981.
ADJOURNMENT
By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 9:53 P.M.
Respectfully Submitted,
Ann R. Alleman
Minutes Clerk
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