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MEETING OP:
DATE OF MEETING:
TIME OF MEETING:
PLACE OF MEETING;
PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
August 17, 1981
6:30 P.M.
Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER;
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Dahlquist at
6:31 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Present -
Absent -
Chairman Dahlquist, Commissioners
Murk, Donovan, Tarango.
Commissioner Wright arrived at 6:40
P.M.
Commissioner Boone arrived at 6:42
P.M.
Commissioner McFadden
APPROVAL OF MINUTES;
The minutes of the meeting of July 20, 1981 were approved
as presented.
NEW BUSINESS:
C. Cadencia Park Development
Parks and Recreation Director Bradstreet gave a staff
report on the matter, including a brief history of the
proposed park site. He indicated that staff had applied
for Roberti-Z'berg funds from the State to defray some of
the costs for the proposed four acre park, and had
obtained some funding for same. He also added that most
of the work staff was proposing to do itself, thus
helping to keep the costs even lower for developing this
park.
Mr. Bradstreet indicated, however, that complaints had
been received from residents of the area and requested
Commission guidance as to whether or not to continue with
the development of the park.
The Commission recognized Council Member Anear, who spoke
in favor of developing the park site. He stressed the
need for park sites and playing fields in the La Costa
Costa area, and the fact that the development of some of
the other parks in the area is still years away.
The Commission recognized Robert King, 3373 Cadencia, who
spoke in opposition to the park, due to parking problems
which would result.
The Commission recognized Abel Shapiro, an attorney
representing Donald Ruprecht, a resident of the area, who
spoke in favor of the development of the park as an
active park, indicating that his client would like to see
a baseball field and soccer field in that location so thai
children in the area would not have to play in the
streets.
The Commission recognized Randy Brent, a resident of
Carpa Court, who spoke in opposition to an active park in
that location, and indicated that he did not feel that
the area was large enough for an active park.
Dahlquist
Murk
Donovan
Tarango
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The Commission recognized Lois Humphreys, 3337 Cadencia,
President of the La Costa Residents Association, who
spoke in opposition to an active park in that location.
She suggested that the Commission either survey the
residents of the area regarding the matter, or let a
special assessment district be formed for the area
residents to develop the area as a passive park, open
space area and maintain same.
Parks and Recreation Director Bradstreet reiterated the
necessity and obligation of the City to provide parks
and recreation areas in the La Costa Area. He added
that in the past, developers have dedicated hills,
canyons, and other unusable areas to the City for parks
purposes, and that staff felt that this location was
suitable for practicing of sports, if not for organized
games.
The Commission recognized Steve Hill, 3317 Cadencia, who
spoke in oppostion to the park. He indicated that he
did not feel the area was large enough to be suitable
for any type of playing field.
The Commission recognized John Mitchell, past president
of the La Costa Youth Organization, who indicated that
there are not enough playing fields in the La Costa area.
He indicated that his organization currently has a lease
to use the fields at St. Elizabeth Seaton Church, which
will be in effect for the next eight years, but that after
that time, they will not have any fields to use, unless
some are provided by the City. He also stated that at
present, his organization has 400 children as
participants. Mr. Mitchell also suggested the possiblity
of a tradeoff, by making El Fuerte, or some other
proposed park site into an active play area instead.
The Commission recognized Nancy Holland, a resident of
the area, who indicated her opposition to the site
becoming an active park.
The Commission recognized Diane Werkes, a resident of
Cadencia, who expressed oppossition to the development of
the park as a playing field, and indicated that those
residents with small children now had to drive quite a
distance to take the children to tot lots and play areas.
Commissioner Donovan expressed her sympathies for the
residents of the area and indicated that even though more
active parks are needed in the area, she felt that the
Commission should seriously take into consideration the
feelings of the residents.
Commissioner Murk questioned staff as to the suitability
of this location as a playing field.
Director Bradstreet responded that the area would be
equal in size to a Little League field, and would be
large enough for a practice field for adults. He also
addressed the question of balls going over the hill into
the canyon adjacent, by indicating that a six foot fence
is proposed around the edge of the playing field.
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The Commission recognized Joseph Borg, a resident of
Carpa Court, who questioned the safety of the location.
The Commission recognized Sheldon Dockswell, a resident
of Cadencia, who spoke regarding the safety problem also
and indicated that due to the steep cliff, playing ball
on that site is not safe.
The Commission recognized Randy Brent, a resident of
Carpa Court, who commented that the size of the
location would make it large enough only for those under
eight years of age to play on.
The Commission recognized Steve Werkes, a resident of
Cadencia, who inquired as to the reason for the
bleachers, if no organized sports were to be played on
the site.
The Commission recognized Margaret Ann Mosley, a
resident of Cadencia, who indicated that she had been
told that a "natural" park was going to be put in that
location.
Following discussion, the Commission deferred action
on the matter, and continued same to the next regular
meeting.
B. Occidental Park Site
Director Bradstreet presented the staff report,
including a brief history of the matter.
Joe Sandy, of the Agatep Corporation, P.O. Box 590,
Carlsbad, presented a report to the Commission on behalf
of Occidental. He referenced his letter of August 7,
1981, to Director Bradstreet, and outlined the contents
of same. He indicated that the dedication of the 3.95
acres for park purposes was premature, and had no
relationship to previously approved or newly proposed
development of the property.
Mr. Sandy indicated that the newly computed park dedica-
tion would require 6.01 acres, and noted that since the
Parks and Recreation Department is now focusing on the
establishment of larger "community" parks, the
Commission may wish to consider alternatives in the
matter.
Mr. Sandy further indicated his request is that the
Commission consider the third alternative, that is
return the 3.95 acres to Occidental and require payment
of the park-in-lieu fees.
The Commission recognized Dwight Spire, a representative
of Occidental Properties, who addressed the matter and
concurred with the remarks of Mr. Sandy.
Commissioner Murk inquired as to how the park-in-lieu
fees are computed.
Dahlquist
Murk
Donovan
Tarango
Wright
Boone
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Director Bradstreet responded to the matter, and
indicated that staff is also recommending that the 3.95
acres be returned to Occidental, and that park-in-lieu
fees be required instead.
Following discussion, the Commission concurred with the
recommendation to accept Alternative 3, to return the
3.95 acres to Occidental and require payment of the
park-in-lieu fees, plus ten percent.
Recess:
The Commission called a recess at 8:15 P.M., and
reconvened at 8:22 P.M., with six members present.
A. Carrillo Park Site
Director Bradstreet presented a brief staff report on the
matter. He indicated that there would be presentations
by Mr. Goff of La Costa Land Co./Daon, explaining about
the Alga Norte and Stage Coach park sites, as well as a
briefing on alternative site plans for the Carrillo park
site, and a presentation by the Carlsbad Historical
Society regarding the Carrillo park site. Mr.
Bradstreet indicated that the park consultant had
proposed that the Carrillo site be a special use area
where private enterprise would be invited to participate
in the location.
Commissioner Murk at this time indicated that he would
abstain from any action on this matter.
The Commission recognized Mr. Jim Goff, 1241 Elm Avenue,
Carlsbad, representing the La Costa Land Company/Daon.
Mr. Goff indicated that he would take a few minutes to
brief the Commission on Alga Norte and Stagecoach park
as it will tie in with the development of the Carrillo
park site.
Mr. Goff continued, referencing that tentative sketch
maps of Alga Norte and Stage Coach park were shared with
the Commission in June, 1981. He indicated that the
studies were undertaken by Daon to assist the City in
formulating some concepts about how these two community
parks might be developed. He also indicated that the
City has indicated that it is no longer interested in
one other park that had been a part of the La Costa
Community Plan, that being San Marcos Creek park.
With the use of wall exhibits, Mr. Goff presented
various alternatives to the Commission, with reference
to consolidation of recreation activities, as well as
the possibility of including a site for the library in
the Alga Norte site.
Mr. Goff then introduced John Ortgieson, the park planner
for the Daon Corporation, who addressed the Commission
at this time. He indicated that he had used the Parks
and Recreation Capital Improvement Program to
incorporate the recreational facilities into the parks,
including ball fields, tennis courts, tot lots, picnic
areas, restrooms. He then, using wall exhibits,
outlined the plans for Stage Coach park and Alga Norte
park.
Dahlquist
Murk
Donovan
Tarango
Wright
Boone
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Mr. Ortgieson indicated that the proposal for Stage Coach
park included ball fields, tennis courts, tot lots,
picnic areas as well as a gymnasium type recreational
building, to be worked into the 26 acre park site. He
added that also of importance to the site was the
historical site, which had to be taken into
consideration when working with the overall grading plan
for the site.
Mr. Ortgieson indicated that the Alga Norte site is 22
acres , to include baseballs fields, slope area for
passive use, multi-use fields, basketball courts,
recreational facility, possible library or swimming pool
area.
He also referenced two alternate plans which had been
done at the request of the City Manager to condense the
baseball areas to centralize same in Stage Coach park.
With the use of wall exhibits, he explained what had been
done for the alternate plans. He added that in order to
centralize the facilities, much more grading would have
to be done and the historical site in Stage Coach park
would have to taken into consideration.
He added that in the Alga Norte site, the request had
been for a three to four acre library site for a 25,000
square foot building, which necessitated doing away with
the passive area. In the process, of centralizing same,
more grading would have to be done in this alternative
also.
Commissioner Donovan inquired about the inclusion of the
library in the Alga Norte site. She indicated that she
did not feel that a park was an appropriate site for a
library.
Jim Goff responded that the library had been included
merely as an alternative in the Alga Norte site, but
that the Library Board had expressed preference for the
West Bluff site.
Mr. Goff also indicated that no decision was requested
of the Commission, but rather that the presentation had
been given to show plans for the other parks which will
service the Carrillo Ranch area.
Mr. Goff also indicated that the proposed Carrillo Way,
which would connect with Melrose and provide the basic
access into the Carrillo Ranch Area. He indicated that
since there are currently no streets out in this area,
it is a bit hard to visualize.
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Using another wall exhibit, the Commission was shown the
location of the proposed park sites and proposed roads
and extentions of roads in the area. Mr. Goff indicated
that the extension of Melrose Avenue would be completed
through to Alga Road sometime in November, however, he
indicated that the road would not necessarily be open to
the public, due to the fact that an annexation must
first take place, in order that the City can take over
the responsibility for the maintenance of the street.
He indicated that process may take as much as six
months.
The presentation of the alternatives for Carrillo Park
site was made by Peter Templeton of the Planning Center.
He indicated that there would be a seven acre addition
to the present Carrillo Rancho park site. With the aid
of wall exhibits, he outlined and detailed the proposed
alternatives for the addition to the Carrillo Park Site.
He indicated another alternative would be for the City
not to accept the land, and instead require park-in-lieu
fees be paid.
Mr. Templeton reveiwed the three alternative plans for
the addition to the Carrillo Ranch, each with the seven
acres in different locations. He indicated that due to
the Parks consultant's proposal that the Carrillo Park
site be a special use, or commercially oriented area,
the alternatives had been drawn with that in mind.
Mr. Bradstreet indicated that there is a potential
slide problem in the area to the south of the Carrillo
Rancho, and that in order to develope the area a key
would be necessary to stabilize the area and eliminate
soil migration. He also indicated that Daon might be
acceptable to putting in such a key.
Mr. Goff responded that he did not have any specific
data at this time with regard to the expense of such a
project, and therefore could not comment on the matter.
The Commission recognized Mr. Chris Christiansen, the
president of the Carlsbad Historical Society, who spoke
on its behalf nd requested that the Carrillo Park be
developed as soon as possible.
The Commission recognized Mr. Manuel Castorena, also a
member of the Carlsbad Historical Society, who concurred
with the remarks of Mr. Christiansen, and suggested the
possibility of having shops with Mexican artisans in the
Carrillo Ranch, as well as retaurants, similar to Olivera
Street in Los Angeles.
The Commission recognized Mr. Dick Simmons, who
concurred with both Mr. Christiansen and Mr. Castorena
with regard to the development of Carrillo Rancho.
The Commission recognized Mr. Allan O. Kelly, who
indicated that he had known Leo Carrillo, and concurred
with the remarks of Mr. Christiansen and Mr. Castorena.
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The Commission recognized Bob Wilkinson, the City Park
Planner, who commented on the three alternatives and
responded to questions. Mr. Wilkinson indicated that if
the Commission were to choose Alternative #1, the area
to the south of the present Rancho would have to be
keyed.
Director Bradstreet commented that the Commission should
consider the accsesibility of the area, possible ingress
and egress problems of the site after the surrounding
area is built up, and also the visibility problem, since
the Rancho itselt will not be seen from any of the major
thoroughfares.
Commissioner Tarango indicated his preference for
Alternative #3.
Commissioner Wright indicated his preference for
Alternative #1.
Commissioner Murk left the meeting at this time.
Commissioner Boone inquired if any of the land that would
be acquired in Alternative #3 is buildable, except for the
small site suggested for a restaurant site.
Mr. Templeton responded that in Alternative #3, most of
the land would be stabilized because the valley would be
filled with dirt.
Director Bradstreet, in response to inquiry, indicated
the the consultant had recommended that the City take
the extra land, because if the Rancho was a successful
venture, the land would be necessary for expansion.
Following discussion, the Commission returned the matter
to staff for further report regarding the possibilty of
not accepting the seven acres and requiring the payment
of park-in-lieu fees instead.
D. 1981-82 Capital Improvement Program
Director Bradstreet presented the staff up-date on the
status of 1981-82 CIP projects. He indicated that staff
has made their recommendations and requested input from
the Commission.
Mr. Duncanson, the Parks Superintendent, indicated that
Cannon Lake Park, San Marcos Creek Park, Occidental Park
Site, Altamira, Municipal Marina on Agua Hedionda, and
Larwin Park near the Calavera area have all been
deferred. He indicated that all the figures for the
Macario project are from the consultant.
E. Landscape Medians - City-Wide Streetscape Program.
This matter was continued to the next regular meeting.
Dahlquist
Donovan
Tarango
Wright
Boone
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DIRECTOR'S REPORT
A.Swimming Pool
Director Bradstreet reported on the progress of the
pool. He indicated that it should be completed in mid
September, and that recruiting has begun for an Aquatics
Supervisor.
B. Macario Canyon Park/Parks and Recreation Element
Revisions
Director Bradstreet reported that staff is still in the
process of reviewing the preliminary draft of the
final document. He indicated that staff still has some
questions regarding open space areas.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS
A. Fuerte Park
Director Bradstreet stated that the Commission had
requested information on Fuerte Park. He indicated that
the final estimate for grading of the site was
$295,000.00 for the San Marcos School District and only
$5,000.00 for the City. He indicated that the City had
put $50,000.00 into the budget for the park for the first
year, which will be used for turfing and irrigation for
the park. He indicated that this would be a two year
project, and would provide more needed ball fields in
the area.
B. Donation From San Diego Poodle Club
Director Bradstreet indicated that he had received a
donation of $100.00 from the San Diego Poodle Club to
thank the City for the use of Holiday Park.
C. Spinnaker Hills, Woodbine, and Altamira
Director Bradstreet indicated that the homeowners
association found out that a ten foot area belongs to the
City, so they cut the water off, and told the City to
take over the maintenance. . Director Bradstreet
reiterated the policy that the City doesn't maintain or
continue to maintain open space areas if we think that
they will grow in a natural state. He added that the
homeowners are now unhappy because the City is not
continuing to water these open space areas.
He indicated that the residents in the area are
complaining to the City Manager and Council, who are
requesting a report on the matter.
Mr. Bradstreet added that because of the water shortage
which we will face in the future, the City will not
continue to water manufactured slopes, that the plants
will acclimate, and the City will do periodic
maintenance of the areas once or twice a year.
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D. Library Site
Director Bradstreet reported that he is heading a Task
Force for a potential library site. He indicated that
the library Board is recommending a four acre park site
in the La Costa area, they want the land to be given
in lieu of park fees, next to a commercial setting and
close to a busy arterial street. He continued, by
stating that if this is done, the parks in the area
will be smaller by that amount of acreage.
ADJOURNMENT
By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted.
Kajren R. Stevens
Deputy City Clerk