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MEETING OP:
DATE OF MEETING:
TIME OF MEETING:
PLACE OF MEETING:
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
August 20, 1984
5:00 p.m.
Levante Community Center
COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
The meeting was called to order by Vice-
Chairperson Donovan at 5:09 p.m.
ROLL CALL;
Present - Vioe-Chairperson Donovan,
Commissioners Dahlquist, Popovich
Conti and Regan. Chairman Wright
arrived at 5:11 p.m.
Absent - Commissioner Cochran.
Also Present - Council Liaison Lewis
Marsha Backlund Payne, AA
Doug Duncanson, Park Supt.
Barry Bender, Rick Engineering
Jack Guttman, Con Am Properties
League of Women Voters
Representative
PUBLIC OPEN FORUM;
There was no one present for the open forum.
Chairman Wright arrived and Vice-Chairperson
Donovan turned the meeting over to the Chairman.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES;
The Minutes of the July 16, 1984, meeting were
approved as amended.
Page 4, Item 3. change "wall park" to 'Vail
map". Page 5, first paragraph, change "legal"
to "official". Page 4, Item 5 and Page 5, third
paragraph, change "tour" and "touring" to "turf"
and "turfing".
Commissioner Regan agreed to be the scribe for
this meeting.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA;
Commissioner Dahlquist asked for an item to be
added under Committee Reports of Access to
Waterways.
The Agenda was approved as amended:
UNFINISHED BUSINESS;
A. Recommendation to Sell Lot 290 in La Costa
Marsha Backlund Payne gave the staff report on
this item, using a wall map to show the location
of the lot. She stated originally Parks &
Recreation wanted access to San Marcos Creek, but
small areas are no longer desirable for parks—
only community parks, and there would be a
liability problem with this access to the creek.
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (Continued)
Parks & Recreation staff is recommending the City
have the developer buy the City easement rights.
Doug Duncanson added staff did not want a public
access in that area due to the liability.
Commissioner Dahlquist suggested making a safe way
to get down to the San Marcos Creek area through
this easement.
Doug Duncanson reiterated staff's concern with
liability for the City.
Mr. Bender stated Daon Corporation owns this land
and the City has an open space easement. Con Am
Properties wants to buy the parcel from Daon. In
answer to query as to why this was not made public,
and City Attorney Biondo's letter was quoted, the
answer was that the sale was arranged between Daon
and Con Am, and without that sale, the easement
would be of no value to anyone. The only people who
would be interested in purchasing the City's
easement would be Con Am.
Mr. Guttman stated his company was willing to pay a
substantial amount for this small parcel of land,
and actually were paying twice the amount, by
considering the City easement price.
The money from the sale of this easement right would
go to Parks and Recreation.
Mr. Bender stated as the parcel of land exists now,
with the easement, it is not buildable, but with the
easement released, it would become buildable. When
asked the price of the lot, he stated between
$25,000 and $50,000.
In answer to Commission question of whether the City
would want to use this creek area, Parks and
Recreation staff members stated they would not.
After several revisions, the following motion was
made:
Commission agrees to delay approval or
recommendation to sell Lot 290 until such time as
the Commission is given an approximate value of the
property and the remuneration to Parks & Recreation.
The notion was amended to include more information
to be supplied to the Commission regarding public
access routes to San Marcos Creek
In answer to Commission query, staff and Mr.
Bender and Mr. Guttman reiterated the reasons why
the City Attorney wrote the letter he did
regarding this matter and the reasons why this
matter was not put out for bids.
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
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August 20, 1984 COMMISSIONERS
NEW BUSINESS;
A. Playing Field Analysis and Recommendation
Chairman Wright commented about the newspaper
articles written about the need for ballfields
and the pressure being applied to the City. He
commented about the school district statement that
they were being used by the City as far as
providing recreational facilities.
Marsha Backlund Payne gave the staff report on this
item, calling attention to the report in the packet.
The Playing Field Analysis was reviewed by Mrs.
Payne and the Standards as set up by Dave
Bradstreet were discussed.
Commissioner Dahlquist commented about Jefferson
field, and felt the agreement with the school
district should be reworked to eliminate the school
having first claim.
in answer to Commissioner Donovan's question as to
when Stagecoach Park would be available, Mr.
Duncanson stated that it was not known when that
would be available.
Commissioner Donovan asked why it would take a year
to get Fuerte park ready, and Mrs. Payne stated it
takes that long to construct fields. Turf takes
time to be stable—it needs to set. Commissioner
Donovan felt the school needs were considered first,
rather than the City's. Also, Mrs. Payne and Mr.
Duncanson stated the park development will take that
long. Also, there will be no access on Corintia.
That will be fenced. There will be access through
the parking lot and through the cul-de-sac.
Commissioner Popovich stated his displeasure at all
emphasis being placed on ballfields and school
playgrounds, without anything being done to provide
parks for people to picnic and take their family on
an outing. He stated it was all recreation and
nothing for parks.
Council Member Lewis commented that public pressure
is being applied to the Council at the present time
for playing facilities, and as a result, that is
the number one priority now.
Mr. Duncanson stated both community parks are in
the planning stages at the present time—Calavera
and Stagecoach—and these will both have picnic
areas and passive areas.
Commissioner Popovich wanted Stagecoach Park
explained, and Mr. Duncanson drew a small map of
the park, explaining that the City is trying to get
the developer to exchange deeds at the present
time, in order to give the City a portion of the
park that would be flat land and more usable.
Chairman Wright asked to return to the Agenda Item
under consideration.
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Chairman Wright suggested there be two action
items: 1. Playing field standards for population
based on survey of surrounding Cities. 2. Approve
funding to go ahead with program; as covered in the
report and the cover letter.
Commission adopted the recommendation for the
playing field standards for the City of Carlsbad
as presented in the study in the cover letter,
page one, and in detail on page 2.
Chairman Wright commented he wanted publicity
through staff into the newspapers stating what the
Commission stands for.
Council Member Lewis stated there is a new law
governing use of school facilities whereby the
schools must allow the public to use those
facilities.
The Commission stated they wanted the 50-50
sharing of maintenance mentioned also, to let the
public know the City and the school district share
those costs.
The second item, the funding of the development of
the sites at a cost of $62,500, was discussed.
The question was asked whether this was half of
the cost, and Mrs. Payne stated this was the total
cost and Dave Bradstreet had recommended this be
paid by the City due to the pressure being applied
by the public at this time. Commissioner
Dahlquist stated she felt Parks & Recreation
should only pay half of that cost.
Chairman Wright commented that there was a P.R.
problem here. Ballfields are needed in the
northwest quadrant where there is not a lot of
land available—and the existing sites are school
sites, and someone will have to make the move to
fund the development of the fields.
Mrs. Payne reported that Mr. Bradstreet asked for
the $10,000 for Valley to be paid by the City, as
that would be specifically for league play.
Chairman Wright stated the school was doing the
lower field, but the City should do the upper
field.
Council Member Lewis commented that because of
personalities, it is difficult for the School
Board and the City Council to come to agreement—
but that situation should become better as time
goes by.
Chairman Wright restated his thought that spending
the $62,500 would do a great deal as far as
P.R., making certain that adequate publicity is
gotten to make certain the public is aware of what
the City is doing to develop the ballfields.
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
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Commissioner Regan commented that the relations
with the school district need to be improved, and
positive statements made as to what the City is
doing.
Commissioner Donovan stated her disapproval of the
concept, stating that she felt the City was bowing
to pressure.
Mr. Duncanson stated that all the improvements
would need school district approval, but he felt
that approval would be forthcoming with the funds
coming from the City.
Commissioner Dahlquist again brought up there was
nothing about the usage of the Jefferson School
field. Mr. Duncanson answered that it had taken
time for the turf to be established and that was
not included in the report.
Motion was made and seconded not to accept the
recommendation as made to spend $62,500 to
develop the ballfields.
Motion failed due to a tie vote.
Motion was made and seconded to have the City pay
half of whatever the cost would be to develop the
fields, with the City paying the $10,000 for the
Valley Field. Motion was withdrawn.
Another notion was made and revised to read finally
as follows:
Commission voted to recommend the City pay $31,000
toward the development of the ballfields.
Comment was made that the school district feels
that it does not need the fields for its programs,
but they are willing to share the maintenance 50-
50.
Motion was made and seconded to accept the funding
for the development of the ballfields as stated in
the report at a cost of $62,500, superseding the
previous motion.
Motion failed due to a tie vote.
COUNCIL REPORT;
Council Member Lewis reported that the Council
would consider items deleted from the budget, and
the Parks & Recreation Department should have
someone present at that meeting to discuss any
deleted items they would like to have re-instated.
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
Wright
Donovan
Dahlquist
Conti
Popovich
Regan
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Dahlquist
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August 20, 1984 COMMISSIONERS
COMMITTEE REPORTS;
Chairman Wright stated he would like an update on
the public accesses to parks and waterways. He
felt the Conmission needed to know about the
accesses, whether the City owns the property or
just has legal access.
Access to Waterways
Comnissioner Dahlquist asked about the blocking of
access to the lagoon at Hoover Street and Mrs.
Payne stated the City was doing that blocking by
dumping dirt there to keep people from illegally
driving vehicles in there.
The suggestion was made that instead of dirt,
perhaps posts should be erected in the street to
block vehicles beyond that point.
Mrs. Payne stated there is access off of Cove
Drive.
DIRECTOR'S REPORT;
Commissioner Dahlquist commented she would like
publicity on the possibility of converting one of
the Monroe Tennis Courts into a paddle tennis
facility.
Commissioner Donovan asked about the signs for
hours at Levante Park and Mrs. Payne stated they
are all made, just not installed as yet.
Commissioner Dahlquist inquired about the hiring of
a consultant to design Calavera Hills Community Park
and Mrs. Payne explained that construction could not
be done from a master plan.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS;
Commissioner Popovich stated his opinion that in
the future perhaps Parks & Recreation should avoid
building parks in conjunction with a school site.
Council Member Lewis answered that he felt the
problems would be solved between the City and the
School Board.
Chairman Wright announced a seminar to be held
Friday, October 19, and Saturday, October 20, on how
to be a more effective commissioner or board member
and had brochures to be distributed to the
Commissioners.
Commissioner Regan, the scribe for this meeting,
read her notes for the Commission.
ADJOURNMENT;
By proper notion, the meeting of August 20, 1984,
was adjourned at 7:25 p.m.
Respectfully subjnitted,
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Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk