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Date of Meeting:
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PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
5:00 p.m.
November 17, 1986
City Council Chambers
COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Wright called the Meeting to order at 5:10 p.m.
ROLL CALL;
Present - Chairman Wright, Commissioners Dahlquist,
Donovan, Lawson, Morrison, Popovich and Regan.
Absent - None.
Staff Present:
Dave Bradstreet, Director of Parks and Recreation
Keith Beverly, Management Analyst
Lynn Chase, Recreation Superintendant
Doug Duncanson, Parks Superintendant
Mark Steyaert, Park Planner
Ray Patchett, Assistant City Manager
PUBLIC OPEN FORUM;
There was no one present wishing to address the Commission
during the public open forum.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES;
The minutes of the meeting held October 20, 1986, were
approved as presented.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA;
Commissioner Popovich requested a La Costa Ranch Company
report item be added, and a meeting at Lakeshore Gardens
on which Hank Lltten wished to speak. The Lakeshore
Gardens item will be under Committee Reports and the La
Costa Ranch Company item was added under Additional
Business.
Parks and Recreation Commission approved the agenda as
amended.
APPOINT SCRIBE;
Commissioner Lawson was appointed Scribe for this
meeting.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS;
A. Scribe Report
Chairman Wright called attention to the Scribe report,
Attachment A in the packet.
Wright
Dahlquist
Donovan
Lawson
Morrison
PopovIch
Regan
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (continued)
B. Golf Course Feasibility Study
Chairman Wright Introduced this Item, and Dave Bradstreet
gave the staff report. He stated the Commission had
deferred this Item until after the November Election. A
report was given at the October Commission meeting on the
feasibility of a golf course In Macario Canyon. Mr.
Bradstreet stated he felt he had heard questions regarding
the executive summary, and he had "beefed up" that
summary. Mr. Bradstreet stated Mr. O'Hara had stated his
group is ready and willing to go forward with the
continuation of the theater and sports arena study, and
they would like to be placed on the December agenda. The
information will be reviewed in December, and will come
before the Commission In January. Mr. Bradstreet stated
apparently La Costa Ranch Company Is revising its Master
Plan. In that revision, a golf course will be proposed,
to be constructed In the southeast guadrant of the City
adjacent to Rancho Santa Fe Road, north of La Costa
Boulevard. It has been stated this would be a public golf
course at the outset. The revision of one of the major
landowners' development to build a public golf course In
the southeast quadrant is important.
Keith Beverly continued the report stating the executive
summary had been revised to contain the key findings.
These are more assertive statements as to the feasibility
of the golf course with relation to the proposed sports
complex, which was defeated in the election; the market
demand that does exist currently, and what will exist in
the future.
Alternative III, as noted in their presentation last
month, was the recommended alternative. Key reasons were
given in support of that alternative. There is less
grading required for that plan, less environmental impact,
and the cost would be lower, with fewer holes under the
transmission lines. He further stated there would be
fewer wind and irrigation problems.
Mr. Beverly summarized the key findings as contained in
the first few pages of Attachment B.
Commissioner Donovan commented she felt this was a
negative report, with no positive feeling. She stated the
environmental aspect disturbed her considerably. Where
the report said Alternative III was not in compliance with
current environmental policies and approval would require
negotiations with environmental agencies having
Jurisdiction in this area. She stated the tenor In the
City is a great concern for ballfields and playing fields.
Alternative III would displace those and the grading would
be much more expensive, if practical to begin with. She
stated on Page 11-5(16), the golf courses planned were
discussed, and the Hunt Property course was ommitted.
This would be a public course for the first few years.
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. UNFINISHED BUSINESS: (continued)
Commissioner Donovan stated when she read this report she
saw dollar signs. A resort-type facility is discussed
when the Batiquitos Educational Park is coming in with a
convent ion-type atmosphere, which would be closer on a
time line. Also on Page 11-10(21), the sentence appears:
"We believe that with limited restrictions applied to a
developer, and if the City assumes responsibility for all
of the off-site costs, there is a reasonable likelihood
that private development/operation will occur." She asked
for clarification of that statement as this asked a lot of
responsibility for the City. Commissioner Donovan
concluded, stating this report would not receive her vote
at this time.
In answer to Commissioner Morrison's query, Keith Beverly
stated It would be more beneficial to have the sports
complexes contiguous to each other, serving all needs.
Looking at the canyon, to find twenty-five flat acres
would be difficult. ERA felt It would have to be broken
into sections.
Dave Bradstreet clarified the answer, stating this summary
was written prior to the election, and he felt it was
weak—with no direction. If Proposition H passed, could
the golf course and sports complex both be built, and ERA
said no. He said he wanted a strong answer for the
Commission to make a decision, in case Proposition H
passed and the sports complex would be built in the center
of the park area. The golf course could be built but they
would have to look at another area for the location of the
ballfleld. Mr. Bradstreet stated a twenty-five acre
complex would be difficult to house within the boundaries
of the area of the canyon, with the constraints that exist
in Macario Canyon.
Commission Dahlquist stated she had no problem with
separating the two. The privatization would help put the
project together, but she felt the whole thing should not
be for privatization and making money. She could not
imagine a hotel being built there, when the area is
overbuilt with hotel space.
Keith Beverly stated one of the conclusions was a hotel
was needed to support a resort quality golf course.
Commissioner Dahlquist stated there should be no hotel on
public property.
Commissioner Lawson stated he agreed with the comments by
Commissioner Donovan. The overall flavor of the summary
pointed to Alternative III. If the feasibility study
found the only thing to pursue was Alternative III, he
stated that would be difficult to support. He felt this
would be an over-abundance of private enterprise taking up
the initial flare or intent of the Macario Canyon Plan,
and that concerned him. He asked whether staff would be
looking at a number of sports facilities, as in the
initiative, or with the original plan. He felt there was
a need to determine whether this park could accomodate all
those things. He would like to see private industry take
care of the more expensive costs to develop the park. The
golf course would be taking the best area and leaving the
most expensive part for the public to develop.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS: (continued)
Keith Beverly stated staff would be looking at the space
the ballfields needed and would be considering the park
development. The feasibility of the golf course was
difficult to address, with the crux of the situation being
the golf course work, their recommendation was: "Yes, it
is feasible, and this is what it would take to make it
fly.
Dave Bradstreet commented the request for proposals
identified what area of Carlsbad should be studied for a
golf course. It was determined it should be on city
property and the 1982 element recommended privatization.
He stated staff tried to read what everyone was saying
throughout the City, and to look at the costs. They also
looked at ways to have this course built without the City
funding it. ERA has met the request for proposal. A lot
of questions can be raised at this time, but the answer
has been made clear that the golf course could be built,
and through privatization, the concept to make it more
attractive and make it go, would be through the addition
of a hotel. No money could be made from the golf course,
but money could be made from the hotel. To find some
person willing to build a golf course without a hotel
would be very difficult. The key is to have the project
not cost the City any money to build.
Commissioner Regan stated the Commission was being asked
to accept the Proposal as a piece of work that had
answered the questions asked of the consultant.
Chairman Wright stated the Commission could defer action,
but accept the report.
Commissioner Morrison stated she felt uncomfortable, as
the feasibility was really questionable, inasmuch as it
was contingent on so many agencies okaying it.
Dave Bradstreet stated he felt the report met the intent
of the RFP. Mr. Bradstreet reminded the Commission there
is money in the CIP to revise and update the Master Plan
for Macario Canyon, when all information has been
obtained.
Parks and Recreation Commission accepted the feasibility
report on constructing a golf course at Macario Canyon
Park as covering all material asked for. They deferred
any and all decisions until all information on the park
has been obtained.
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Donovan
Lawson
Morrison
Popov ich
Regan
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS: (continued)
C. Review and Update of Ball Field Analysis Report
Dave Bradstreet reported the facility standards needed to
be reviewed and he called attention to the NRPA standards
compared with City standards. He used a transparency to
indicate this comparison and referred to Attachment C in
the packet. He asked the Commission to consider the youth
football and adult football standards, which had been
revised to Indicate 1/20,000 population. He asked the
Commission to adopt the standard for tennis courts which
would be 1/2,000. Mr. Bradstreet used another
transparency to show the athletic fields/courts with
graphs showing the existing fields, the need, and proposed
in the future.
Mr. Bradstreet stated the Commission had indicated they
felt the private tennis courts in Carlsbad should not be
counted. If the private courts are counted, that would
reduce the population using the public courts, so possibly
the population numbers should also be reduced. The
standards were based on 52,000, which included all those
people using private courts. Perhaps that should be
reduced to 40,000 population. Mr. Bradstreet said the
entire summary had been reviewed by the City Manager and
CARA. The new set of numbers was based on the standards
adopted several years ago, with the changes he
recommended. Based on this data, there is a deficit of
four fields.
Mr. Bradstreet indicated the system used for counting
fields/courts, etc., Indicating If they are used for six
different sports, they can be counted six times.
Commissioner Dahlquist commented more than one sport
cannot use the same field at the same time. When sports
occur at the same time of the year, those fields or courts
cannot be counted for both of those activities. Mr.
Bradstreet stated they had recognized that. However, they
felt the schedules could be changed to work together to
allow more than one sport to use a field or a court during
one season. This would involve changes In schedules, but
this was a possibility.
Mr. Bradstreet felt with the fields and courts In the
process of being constructed at the present time, the
standards were proper, and he asked the Commission to give
its approval.
Commissioner Morrison stated she felt a statement needed
to be made clearly Indicating the Commission understood
the multi-use of the fields and could not be used at the
same time. She stated the public felt this report meant
that number of fields were available for each sport. She
felt the statement should be made clearly Identifying the
mult1-use fields as such.
Mr. Bradstreet stated the athletic group was aware he
stated the fields could not be used simultaneously. He
stated he had tried to get this Information Into the
newspaper. He reiterated he felt the Commission should go
foi^.ird with the multi-use concept, and further felt Parks
and Recreation was doing a good job making very fast
Inroads toward providing the necessary courts/fields.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (continued)
Commissioner Morrison reiterated she wanted a statement to
clarify the use of the fields in the document itself.
Commission Donovan stated if two groups wanted to use the
same field at the same time, she felt that field should
only count as one-half for the number using it. Mr.
Bradstreet felt they could change their schedules and work
around any conflict In the use of the fields and fit all
of them In at different times.
Chairman Wright said it was a matter of semantics. You
can use the fields for other sports; however, soccer and
football are at the same time of the year and cannot count
as two fields.
Commissioner Regan agreed the multi-use fields could not
be counted for all uses in the total number of fields.
She asked the figures to be changed to show the true
count.
Mr. Bradstreet stated these were the Commission's
guidelines and If the Commission wanted to revise the
standards, staff would take that Input. The new City
fields are to be lighted, and that would extend the time
far beyond previous time.
Commissioner Regan stated there was a need to exceed the
standards. She felt perhaps the national standards were
not adequate for Carlsbad.
Commissioner Dahlqulst stated some sports could change
their times. However, Little League National would not
change their season. She felt It was unrealistic as far
as the tennis courts at Alta Mira. They also have
swimming pools at Alta Mira, but those are not Included in
the City count. If this were done for tennis, then it
should be done for all of the recreational facilities. It
should be a consistent count.
Commissioner Lawson asked for clarification as to whether
Calavera Hills Phase II was being counted, and when would
that be on line. Mr. Bradstreet stated the plans are
completed, awaiting the election results. The remaining
acres will be given to the City In the near future.
However, there Is no deflnate date at this point. Phase I
will be before the Council December 2, and go out for
bids. It should be complete perhaps In August.
Commissioner Lawson commented that Phase II of Caiavera
Hills would probably have the most distant completion
date.
Clifford Chandler, 3969 Adams Street, stated the Assistant
High School Principal stated the nine school tennis courts
should not be Included in the public count.
Commissioner Dahlqulst stated if Parks and Recreation
counted the private courts, they should do the same for
all sports. Otherwise, they would be discriminating
against tennis. The recommendation of 1/2,000 population
is a national standard and It would not be fair to compare
Carlsbad with other cities. Using a 1/1,000 population
ratio would be more appropriate for Carlsbad. Again it
was stated the concept of counting private property would
be Illogical and not valid.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS: (continued)
31m Courtney, representing CARA, Indicated to the
Commission that several analyses have been presented on
ballfields. The fields had been Identified by the user
groups, and there was a nineteen field shortage. One park
has been completed, El Fuerte, with two Softball diamonds
for youth. There are two soccer fields as an overlay. He
added he did have a problem with counting every piece of
grass as a practice soccer field or a Softball field. He
recommended taking the number of fields that next Saturday
could be played on by the different sports. He explained
the concurrent seasons, stating they could not co-exist on
the same fields. He stated the City had one philosophy on
counting and the users had another. He stated the City
could never make the users happy. The City is being
pressured to satisfy the needs and the citizens want
fields.
Mr. Courtney proposed the Commission table this matter, as
the new Growth Management Plan has said all public
facilities must be guaranteed. The standard as proposed
could be forgotten. The teams in Carlsbad play year-
round, and he felt the City should take a look at what the
users need as far as fields. He stated the ones
Identified as multi-use fields should not be counted for
all the sports. He suggested the City come up with what
is needed as far as playing fields, put that on the Master
Plan and tell the developers that is what is needed in
order to comply with the Growth Management Plan.
Commissioner Donovan stated she agreed with Mr. Courtney
and was glad he brought that to the Commission's
attention.
Commissioner Regan Inquired whether the Growth Management
Plan called for a facilities standard, and Mr. Bradstreet
answered the Growth Management Plan required three acres
per 1,000 population park land to be dedicated. This must
be in place, or the money must be provided upfront. The
parks can be either active or passive.
Commissioner Donovan stated perhaps the developers were
not aware that the City wants fields included and felt
Council should be advised of the need to include this in
the Public Facilities Plan. Mr. Bradstreet stated that
will be done.
Commissioner Donovan made a motion to table the ball field
standards and make the Commission's wishes known to City
Council to be fully Informed as to what Proposition E will
contain regarding facilities for parks. This item Is to
come back to the Commission after that information is
obtained, to have the Commission make a reasonable
decision on the standards. Commissioner Regan seconded
the motion.
Chairman Wright asked what the Commission's wishes were,
stating that the motion needed to be more definitive.
Commissioner Donovan stated as far as standards, she
wanted to knot* exactly what Proposition E would include as
far as amenities and facilities, and more exactly, what
the Parks and Recreation portion would be.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (continued)
Commissioner Morrison stated she felt the Commission was
going in circles. More parks are needed, more tennis
courts, etc. However, she felt a basis was needed, with
more than Just saying, we want more." She did not free
this could be a recommendation that was left open-ended.
She feit Council should indicate exactly how many parks,
fields, etc., and what would be used for criteria. She
felt the numbers needed to be more concrete.
Commissioner Donovan stated the intent of her motion was
to have staff find out exactly what needs there are, where
the City is deficient, and find out what is included in
Proposition E; to make the Commission's feelings known to
City Council and have staff at the same time find out
exactly where those deficiencies lie.
Ray Patchett, Assistant City Manager, stated a preliminary
answer to how the Growth Management Plan would work is
three acres per 1,000 population is to be dedicated or
park-in-lieu fees paid. If there is a deficency, the City
will have the developer provide the land and the developer
will then be reimbursed later. Staff will understand
ballfields have a high priority. Each park is committed
to the maximum number of ballfields. In Stagecoach the
grading was done to maximize the number of ballfields.
City Council knows that and the Parks and Recreation
Commission is on record. When standards have been adopted
in the past, those are the guidelines the City has used in
designing its parks. Carlsbad has a higher standard than
other cities, and the comply with those standards in
planning their parks.
Commissioner Regan asked what the national standard was,
and Mr. Bradstreet stated it was five acres per 1,000
population. California has limited that to three acres by
the Quimby Act.
Commissioner Donovan asked what would be easier, sticking
with standards; or, if staff found out the exact
deficiencies, where they are, and gave that to the City as
a guideline. This would mean the actual need in each
area, rather than artificial numbers or needs.
Mr. Patchett stated if the Commission wanted to identify
goals in each quadrant, that would be helpful. Any design
plan goes through this Commission for a recommendation to
the City Council.
Chairman Wright stated some figures are needed as
guidelines. He felt that would make this a more
responsible body. There is need for a standard. -
Commissioner Morrison added the standards could be used
only as guidelines.
Chairman Wright stated everyone was aware of the
deficiencies, and were in a catch-up mode to ease the
pressure.
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- UNFINISHED BUSINESS: (continued)
Commissioner Morrison stated the Commission could accept
this standard as close to the National Standard, but as a
Commission it was felt, because of the climate in
Carlsbad, there was a need for more than this National
Standard.
Dave Bradstreet said every park site developed would have
as many passive and active sites in the park as possible.
Commissioner Lawson felt the numbers were really
subjective. He could support the standards, if there was
assurance of some kind of frequency for review of those
standards, to be certain the numbers were adequate.
Commissioner Morrison added by having standards it was
possible to say there was a shortage or a deficiency.
This would give Mr. Courtney something to Indicate there
was a shortage.
Commissioner Donovan made a motion to table the ball field
standards and make the Commission's wishes known to the
City Council to be fully informed as to what Proposition E
would contain regarding facilities for parks. This item
is to come back to the Commission after that information
is obtained, to have the Commission make a reasonable
decision on the standards. Commissioner Reqan seconded
the motion. Motion failed due to a lack of majority.
Parks and Recreation Commission adopted the standards
submitted by staff as guidelines, subject to annual review
by the Commission.
Chairman Wright left the meeting at 6:35 p.m., and the
meeting was then chaired by Commissioner Donovan.
Parks and Recreation Commission recommended the comment be
added as information to Council, that the Commission felt
the public was telling the City there is a great need for
more facilities for active participation. The Parks and
Recreation Commission is in agreement with this demand,
and wishes Council to push forward to achieve the
standards in the recreational areas.
Commissioner Popov Ich stated he abstained on voting on
this motion as he does not agree there is a shortage of
ballflelds in the City of Carlsbad.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (continued)
D. Indoor Soccer/Monroe Street
Dave Bradstreet reported there was a lengthy discussion on
this item before Council, a good presentation by staff,
and Council did not allow the extension for the Indoor
Soccer. Staff is looking for a permanent site.
Commissioner Dahlqulst stated this Commission evaluated
that request thoroughly and she regretted the Commission
recommendation "went down the tube". She stated she was
disappointed.
In answer to Commission query, Mr. Bradstreet stated staff
is looking at 3 different sites at the present time; the
Safety Center, the Old Resevoir on Buena Vista north of
Highland; also Larwin.
In answer to Commissioner Morrison's question regarding
whether the City had Indicated its willingness to foot the
bill for setting up indoor soccer, Mr. Bradstreet stated
he had no feeling pro or con. Staff will try to find a
site, and the item will then come back through this
Commission and to the City Council.
Commissioner Morrison stated she felt the Commission had
wasted three months of time on this item, because all of
the facts were not made known to the Commission for them
to make an intelligent decision. The liaison Council
Member should have fed this Information to this
Commission. The Commission was trying to solve a problem
with two segments, and if they had known they could get a
new site, they could have made a different decision. Mr.
Bradstreet stated staff's recommendation was this
Commission's recommendation. Staff followed the
Commission's direction to try to find a spot. The
decision of Council was they did not feel the tennis
courts should be displaced at this time. Commissioner
Morrison reiterated she felt there was a lot of needless
upset caused by the process that was followed. Citizens
became angry and there was no need for this. The
Commission should have been Informed of Council's
feelings.
Commissioner Dahlqulst stated she felt a message should be
sent to Council explaining the Commission's feelings with
what was a futile attempt to come up with a well-studied
solution.
Commissioner Donovan asked whether the Indoor Soccer group
had ever received their non-tax status, stating this made
her uncomfortable with what she had believed was a tax-
exempt group. To spend this energy for a private group
was something she felt the City should not be doing.
Until the documents are provided to Dave Bradstreet's
satisfaction, Commissioner Donovan suggested everything
should be on hold.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (continued)
Mr. Courtney stated he would like to clear that matter up
for the record. In October of 1985, this had been
discussed, the bylaws were prepared and the Articles of
Incorporation. The CPA was to write an opinion and
forward the papers to Sacramento. In August of 1986, It
was found out there had been no documents submitted from
the CPA. Mr. Courtney stated they have applied and are at
the point now where they can say, "patent pending".
B. Carlsbad National Little League Request
Dave Bradstreet gave the report on this Item, referring to
Attachment E In the packet. On October 22, 1986, he
received a letter from Little League sent to the Board of
Trustees requesting permission to upgrade the Buena Vista
Field for Minor Little League kids. There was a map on
the wall showing this field. Mrs. Knox called Dave
Bradstreet to Inquire what he could do about this request.
Mr. Bradstreet committed his staff to make a conceptual
plan for Buena Vista and the cost for the Improvements.
Mark Steyart, Park Planner, continued the report
discussing the map showing the minor league ballfleld. To
upgrade an existing ballfleld, no CUP is needed, and a
transparency was used to Indicate the cost of upgrading
this field. Materials for this upgrading would be
$48,220. With a contingency of 10%, or $4,800, the total
would be $53,020, to complete the renovation. Parks and
Recreation had put weed killer in that area ten years ago,
and there is a need to repair the soil.
Mrs. Knox distributed a sheet to the Commissioners
indicating the cost for the renovation. They will try to
get funds and materials and Mr. Bradstreet stated the
Parks Department would provide the labor time. It was
recommended it might be possible to get something through
the grant program for this renovation.
Mr. Bradstreet stated the City takes care of the field for
six months and the school takes care of the field for six
months. The request had been made for a storage area,
snack bar and restroom, but the School Board denied that
request.
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UNFINISHED BUSINESS; (continued)
E. 1986 Park Bond Act (Prop. 43)
A copy of a memorandum from the Director of Parks and
Recreation to the Parks and Recreation Commission was
given to each Commission at tonight's meeting. This
outlines the project, the estimated cost and the bond
allocation, a total of $131,000.
Keith Beverly gave the report, stating this is a three-
year funding cycle, and based on the Commission's
recommendation, a Council Resolution of approved projects
will be sent to the application office. It Is possible to
request a number of different projects.
Ray Patchett, Assistant City Manager, continued the report
stating the PFF funds include the development of Calavera
Hills. There is nothing in the PFF for these listed
projects.
In answer to Commission query, Dave Bradstreet stated the
School District had agreed with the Valley 3r. High Tennis
Rehabilitation, Indoor Soccer and Carlsbad High School.
The Indoor Soccer costs are just estimates.
He stated the suggestion had been made for matching funds
from the users for the Indoor Soccer field.
Keith Beverly stated the application must be turned In by
December 12, 1986, and a resolution from the City Council.
These items will be reviewed. However, if funding is
approved for a certain project, the money must be used for
that specific project.
Dave flradstreet clarified the funding further stating the
funding is given upfront, with three years to name
specific projects.
Parks and Recreation Commission adopted staff
recommendations for grant request projects, with the note
the Indoor Soccer amount is an estimate.
NEW BUSINESS;
A. $500.00 Donation
Dave Bradstreet and Ray Patchett presented a $500.00 check
to Vice-Chairperson Barbara Donovan. She' accepted the
check on behalf of the Commission. This was donated by
Dooley McCluskey's on behalf of the participants in-the
5th Annual Pro Am Golf Tournament. A thank you letter
will be sent on behalf of the Parks and Recreation
Commission. Mr. Bradstreet stated this money would go
Into the General Fund.
Donovan
Dahlquist
Lawson
Morrison
Popovich
Regan
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NEW BUSINESS: (continued)
B. Carlsbad National Little League Request
This Item was taken out of order. (See page 11).
C. Assignment of Commissioners to Commission
Subcommittee
Dave Bradstreet referred to Attachment E, giving the list
of Subcommittees as they stand at the present time. The
new assignments will be as followed:
Park Site and Facility Planning
Regan, Dahlquist, Popovich and Lawson
Update Citywide Development Plan
Popovich, Wright, Morrison and Lawson
Recreational/Leisure Services
Wright, Dahlquist and Morrison
Budget
Popovich, Regan and Lawson
School District Llason
Popovich, Wright, Regan, Encinitas-Oonovan-San Marcos
Special Program/Projects
Oahlquist, Popovich and Morrison
Street Tree and Signage Program
Regan, Donovan, Dahlquist and Lawson
Community Volunteer Program
Was dropped for the time being.
D. Budget Information
Keith Beverly gave the report on this Item stating the
forms will be out on December 1, 1986. It has been
requested the forms be returned to the Finance Department
for review January 16, 1987. The Subcommittee is to
review the budget and present it to the Commission at the
January meeting for review and discussion.
Commissioner Morrison left the meeting at 7:30 p.m.
MINUTES
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PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
November 17, 1986 Page 14
COMMISSIONERS
COUNCIL LIASON REPORT;
Vice-Chairperson Donovan announced the Council Liaison had
another meeting to attend.
COMMITTEE REPORTS;
A. Lakeshore Gardens
Commissioner Popovich stated he would speak to the Members
individually on this Item.
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS:
A. La Costa Ranch Report
Commissioner Popovich stated a couple of months ago a
survey was conducted In the area south of Palomar Airport
Road to determine what recreational facilities the people
of La Costa wanted in parks. He said 16.1% voted for
picnic areas and trails; 26.5% voted for recreational
areas; and 42.1% voted for open space. Approximately 84%
of the people voted for passive park area. The next
question asked was which of the following would be your
first and second choice in designing parks, and 20.5% said
picnic areas; 15.8% said playgrounds; 23.2% said walking
areas and trails; 7.8% said tennis courts; 7.3% said
ballfields and 7.2% said swimming pools. Again, 58% of
the people polled opted for open space or passive park
areas. Commissioner Popovich stated he felt these were
very interesting statistics. This Commission has been
hearing ballfields, ballfields, etc. However, he felt the
vocal minority was being listened to and the silent
majority was being ignored. He felt In the future, when a
community park is being constructed, a survey should be
made of the people in the quadrant to find out what those
people really want in that park. Commission Popovich
stated he did not feel the City and the Commission should
listen to those people saying only one thlng--ballfields.
In fact, he stated perhaps a mistake had been made as far
as Stagecoach Park, particularly if 58% of the people want
space for picnics and passive park areas. He felt this
report should tell the Commission something. He
reiterated the fact that only 7.3% of those people
surveyed wanted more ballfields.
Commissioner Regan stated she participated in this survey,
and answered the survey questions the way she did with
perhaps more information than the average citizen. She
was aware of the fact that Stagecoach Park would contain
more ballfields.
Commission Popovich stated he had attended a meeting at
Lakeshore Garden and Hank Litten had been discussing a
golfcourse. He said Koll Company was willing to donate 52
acres to the City at no cost with no strings attached.
This acreage would be adjacent to the Koll Park area.
This might solve the problem of a golfcourse.
Commissioner Popovich suggested a committee be appointed
to meet with Mr. Litten to find who at Koll Company
offered the 52 acres for a golfcourse. If this is a valid
off • . he felt a recommendation should be made to City
Council to take action on this as quickly as possible.
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PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
November 17, 1986 Page 15
COMMISSIONERS
ADDITIONAL BUSINESS; (continued)
Commissioner Lawson volunteered to speak with Mr. Lltten
about this matter.
Commissioner Regan questioned the Item on the green sheet
regarding the leveling and seeding of the top portion of
Larwin Park as an erosion control measure. Dave
Bradstreet explained this Item, stating It was found out a
community park had been dedicated there many years ago.
This was an undevelopable park area. Inasmuch as dirt had
been dumped there, action had to be taken to bring In
additional dirt and replant the area.
In answer to query regarding the drainage at El Fuerte,
Doug Duncanson stated the complaints regarding the soccer
field being wet had been looked into. Water had been
added to keep the grass growing and grass has disappeared
with the soccer playing, creating mud problems. This
problem will be addressed when soccer season is over.
SCRIBE REPORT;
Commissioner Lawson gave the scribe report.
ADJOURNMENT;
By proper motion, the Meeting of November 17, 1986, was
adjourned at 7:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted
HARRIETT BABBITT
Minutes Clerk
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D R A F I
CITY OF CARLSBAD
FIELD/COURT INVENTORY
Current Carlsbad Population: 52,190
Carlsbad Buildout Population: 134,914
* Field Inventory is based on a multi-use concept
** Private tennis courts have not been included in calculations
*** The established standards will be reviewed and if necessary,
revised each year
**** Existing fields/courts includes potential sites also
ATTACHMENT B
Draft Document
12/8/86
N. W. QUAD.
Existing Pop. - 25,039
Buildout Pop. - 39,479
Activity
Youth Softball
Adult Softball
Youth Soccer
Adult Soccer
Youth Football
Adult Football
1986 Existing Known Buildout
Standard Needs Fields/Courts Future Needs
Additional
Need At
Buildout
1/4000
1/6000
1/4000
1/6000
1/20000
1/20000
6
4
6
4
1
1
5
5
11
6
3
3
2
0
1
1
1
0
10
6.
10
6.
2
2
5
5
[ .
[1.
[0
[0
[0
[0
3]
5]
1
]
]
]
Totals 22 33 37 [4.5]
Tennis 1/2000 12.5 13 20 [5 ]
N. E. QUAD.
Activity
Youth Softball
Adult Softball
Youth Soccer
Adult Soccer
Youth Football
Adult Football
Standard
Existing Pop. - 5,607
Buildout Pop. - 20,843
1986 Existing Known
Needs Fields/Courts Future
Additional
Buildout Need At
Needs Buildout
1/4000
1/6000
1/4000
1/6000
1/20000
1/20000
1.
1
1.
1
1
1
5
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
4
2
1
1
1
5
3.
5
3.
1
1
5
5
[0
[0
[3
[2.
[0
[0
j
]
]
5]
]
]
Totals 14 19 [5.5]
Tennis 1/2000 0 10.5 [8.5]
S.W. QUAD.
Existing Pop. - 5,416
Buildout Pop. - 31,775
Activity
1986 Existing Known Buildout
Standard Needs Fields/Courts Future Needs
Totals 29
Additional
Need At
Buildout
Youth
Adult
Youth
Adult
Youth
Adult
Softball
Softball
Soccer
Soccer
Football
Football
1/4000
1/6000
1/4000
1/6000
1/20000
1/20000
1
1
1
1
1
1
.5
.5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
8
5
8
5
1.
1.
5
5
[8
[5
[8
[5
[1.
[1.
j
]
]
]
5]
5]
[29 ]
Tennis 1/2000 16 [16 ]
S.E. QUAD.
Existing Pop. - 16,128
Buildout Pop. - 42,817
Activity
1986 Existing Known Buildout
Standard Needs Fields/Courts Future Needs
Totals 16 12 14 40
Additional
Need At
Buildout
Youth
Adult
Youth
Adult
Youth
Adult
Softball
Softball
Soccer
Soccer
Football
Football
1/4000
1/6000
1/4000
1/6000
1/20000
1/20000
4
3
4
3
1
1
3
2
4
1
1
1
3
3
2
2
2
2
11
7
11
7
2
2
[5 ]
[2 ]
[5 ]
[4 ]
[0 ]
[0 ]
[16 ]
Tennis 1/2000 14 21 [ 5 ]
1200 ELM AVENUE WNffXM TELEPHONE
CARLSBAD, CA 92008-1989 V^fe^ ' (619)438-5599
Office of the Mayor €ttj> of Carlabab
December 2, 1986
City Manager
City of Carlsbad
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad, CA 92008
As a follow-up to your memo of November 20, 1986
concerning Commission meetings, the Council concurs
that the day after each commission meeting, a brief
one-page summary of action taken shall be distributed
to Council Members and Department Heads. Three
additional committees have been added to your previous
list.
COMMISSION STAFF
Planning Holzmiller
Parks & Recreation Bradstreet
Library Board Lange
Traffic Committee Hubbs
Historic Preservation Cratty
Beach Erosion Cahill
Senior Citizen Spickard
Housing Salomone
Cultural Arts Beardsley
Village Merchants Salomone
Depot Committee Salomone
Chamber of Com./Board Aleshire
Thank you for your assistance.
Sincerely,
ATTACHMENT C
CLAUDE "BUD" LEWIS
Mayor Pr-; Tern
November 20, 1986
TO: DEPARTMENT HEADS
CITY COUNCIL
FROM: City Manager
COMMISSION MEETINGS
The day after each commission meeting, please prepare
a brief one-page summary of action taken. This summary
will be distributed to Council Members and Department
Heads.
Commission Staff
Planning Holzmiller
Parks Bradstreet
Library Lange
Traffic Hubbs
Historic Cratty
Beach Erosion
Senior Citizen Spickard
Housing Salomone
Arts Beardsley
City Council Members will not be designated as liaison
to commissions. All Council Members are free to attend
any commission or committee meetings.
FRANK ALESHIRE
mhs