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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1992-07-20; Parks & Recreation Commission; MinutesMinutes of: PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION Time of Meeting: 5:00 P.M. Date of Meeting: JULY 20, 1992 Place of Meeting: CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Castner called the Regular Meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. ROLL CALL: Present: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Heineman, Lawson and Ward. Absent: Commissioners Strayer and Frazier. Staff Members Present: David Bradstreet, Director, Parks and Recreation Ken Price, Recreation Superintendent Robin Bettin, Recreation Supervisor PRESENTATIONS: There were no presentations made. PUBLIC OPEN FORUM: There were no requests to address the Commission. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Ward, the Minutes of the Regular ^ Meeting held June 15, 1992, were approved as amended. AYES: Commissioners Finnila, Heineman, Lawson and Ward NOES: None ABSTAIN: Chairman Castner ABSENT: Commissioners Strayer and Frazier APPROVAL OF AGENDA ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Finnila, the Agenda for July 20, 1992 was approved as printed. AYES: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Heineman, Lawson, and Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioners Frazier and Strayer 03 Parks and Recreation Commission - 2 - July 20, 1992 Commissioner Frazier arrived at 5:02 p.m. CONSENT CALENDAR 1. AB #792-1 DIRECTOR'S REPORT To accept and file Director's Report for July - August 1992. 2. AB #792-2 SUMMARY REPORT To approve the summary report of the June Parks and Recreation Commission Meeting. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Frazier, Items AB #792-1 and AB #792-2 of the Consent Calendar for July 20, 1992, were approved as printed. AYES: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Heineman, Frazier, Lawson and Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Strayer PUBLIC OPEN FORUM There were no requests to address the Commission. DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS 3. AB #792-3 CARRILLO RANCH BROCHURE Joan Kindle, 622 El Aquila Lane, Volunteer Curator of Carrillo Ranch, explained the background and details of the Carrillo Ranch brochure and indicated that it would be made available to the public. She covered two key issues: fiscal impact and distribution of the brochure. Commissioner Finnila suggested that the brochure be called a booklet since most people would not pay for a brochure, and Commissioner Heineman suggested that it could be called a guide. Commissioner Ward expressed concern that people would think there was a project at the site, and Ms. Kindle explained that the guide was carefully written to give the status of the site and indicated that it was a future community park. Since this was an informational item, no action was taken. 04 Parks and Recreation Commission - 3 - July 20, 1992 4. AB #792-4 BEACH LIFEGUARD ISSUES To review recent City Council action regarding the establishment of a beach lifeguard program. David Bradstreet, Director, Parks and Recreation, gave the staff presentation on this item. He indicated that a letter was written to the State suggesting that the State transfer a portion of the beach to State Park control and discussed the response received from Assemblyman Robert Frazee. Mr. Bradstreet stated that he was asking the Commission to abide by City Council's direction as stated on page 17 of the packet for that evening's meeting. Commissioner Ward pointed out that it should be Fiscal Year 93-94. General discussion ensued on the following points: • Should item be placed on hold since there were different actions being taken by different groups? • Concern about not having a lifeguard. • Benefits of a jet ski operation and a request for staff to find out the number of life savings that lifeguards have done in the Carlsbad area, the number of medical emergencies attended to, and the number of citations given for dangerous conduct. • Whether or not this was a Parks and Recreation issue, and whether or not the City should take responsibility for lifeguards on a State beach. ACTION: On motion by Chairman Castner, the Commission moved to support the request of staff to request a lifeguard program during the FY 1993-94 budget preparation process. AYES: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Lawson, Heineman, Frazier, and Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Strayer 5. AB 1792-5 LEVANTE PARK ISSUES Ken Price, Recreation Superintendent, gave the staff report on this item. He discussed concerns regarding the sporting activities and indicated that 11 issues were addressed after discussions with Messrs. Frey and Tyssen of the Levante Park Neighborhood Association, Scott Pieratt of the La Costa Youth Organization, 05 Parks and Recreation Commission -4- July 20, 1992 and Larry West of the of the Leucadia/La Costa Soccer Club. The results are listed on page 32 of the packet entitled "LEVANTE PARK ISSUES AND CONCERNS." Mr. Price reviewed each one and explained the compromises worked out. Commissioner Lawson expressed concern about relocating activity to Stagecoach Park since he thought that all parks were programmed to the maximum. Mr. Price responded that the field was an overlay to an existing softball field and that there was still enough parking to satisfy condition #5. Commissioner Lawson indicated concern about the scheduling dilemma in the past and wanted to know if there were other parks that could accommodate some of the same overlay use. Mr. Price responded that there weren't any to his knowledge and explained why. Commissioner Lawson also wanted to know what type of assistance has been offered relative to the fence, and Mr. Price responded that it was financial assistance for the chain link fence. Commissioner Frazier asked about penalties for lack of compliance, and Mr. Price indicated that use of the facility could be denied. Commissioner Frazier wanted to know if it was possible to confiscate radios and boom boxes, and Commissioner Finnila responded that the City did not have the authority to do it. Mr. Bradstreet confirmed that an ordinance would have to be passed but that the City does have the power to deny a user group the use of that facility and they can also advise people to call the police. Mr. Andrew Frey, 3103 Levante, Carlsbad, spoke on behalf of the neighborhood group. He expressed his concern about the loud cheering spectator crowd and indicated that some of the problems were alleviated. He mentioned that the major goal was to reduce frequency and duration of events so that there would be some quiet days by reducing the noise level 50% and shifting the events to some other locations in the area. He explained the concern for traffic safety and indicated that the residents were willing to give staff's recommendations a try as a step towards resolution. Mr. Frey suggested that the Commission accept staff's recommendations and include the addition that the maximum number of concurrent games allowed should be stated and that the Commission consider and accept a motion to perform post mortem planning procedure on Levante Park to the same scrutiny that is currently done on new parks in Carlsbad. In response to a query by Commissioner Lawson, Mr. Price indicated that the City schedules a block of time for a particular group without controlling the number of teams on the field. 06 Parks and Recreation Commission - 5 - July 20, 1992 Commissioner Castner wanted to know if there the number of events taking place at one time were limited, and Mr. Price responded that there is no limited amount of games at a particular field. Commissioner Heineman asked for clarification from Mr. Frey regarding restricting the number of concurrent games, and Mr. Frey indicated that it was undistinguishable whether it was a practice or a real game. Further discussion was held about distinguishing between scheduled games and practice games, and Mr. Price clarified that generally there was no practice when a game is taking place. Commissioner Frazier asked about the^post marten)iuestion raised by Mr. Frey. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that it could De~tioTie~Butrecommended against it and explained why. Mr. Price mentioned that staff was planning to re-evaluate the issues after the soccer season was over. Commissioner Ward commented that this was a bad site and that staff worked hard to come to some resolution of the issues. She felt that the neighbors were overly burdened and suggested that signs should include wording to the effect "Please be a good neighbor." Mr. Bradstreet suggested including some standard wording in letters to the user organizations indicating that violators may be restricted from using the facility. He also indicated that it was possible to use some additional facilities such as Alta Mira and Alta Norte in the future. Commissioner Heineman stated that it was important to keep on top of the issues, and Commissioner Ward stated that it was necessary to reduce activities. Chairman Castner indicated that they should support staff, and that he was hopeful that some of the problems will be solved. He explained why the park could not be redesigned and indicated that the responsibility to alleviating the problems was with the user groups. A motion was made by Commissioner Finnila to approve staff's report and recommendations for Levante Park's issues. Mr. Heineman indicated that he would like to amend the issue by including "If these actions do not succeed in making the park tolerable for the neighbors that the Commission consider action to eliminate the activities from the park or to severely reduce it." 07 Parks and Recreation Commission - 6 - July 20, 1992 Commissioner Finnila indicated that the Commission should see if the recommendations work first and that she would not like to add the amendment to the motion. Commissioner Lawson agreed and said that the Commission should see how this would work and that staff was planning to re-evaluate the issue. Chairman Castner asked if staff would include a warning to the user groups, and Mr. Price responded that they would call the user group first and then follow up with a letter, possibly denying use. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Finnila, AB #792-5 Levante Park Issues, was approved. AV£S: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Lawson, Frazier, and Ward NOES: Commissioner Heineman ABSENT: Commissioner Strayer 6. AB #792-6 REST ROOM PROPOSAL BEACH AREA To consider options for the development of rest rooms in close proximity to the Split Pavilion. Mr. Bradstreet gave the staff report on this item. He indicated that the City Council requested that the Commission look into the possibility of putting in a rest room facility adjacent or close to the art sculpture. He discussed the three different concepts as outlined in the staff report and possible locations. Mr. Lawson asked . iout accessibility for handicapped people at the north end of the seawall, and Mr. Bradstreet elaborated on it. Mr. Lawson asked more specific questions about the location and retaining walls. Commissioner Finnila wanted to know whether portable units were ADA acceptable, and Mr. Bradstreet indicated that he thought that some were. In response to Chairman Castner's question, he said that it was possible to get running water but it would be more expensive. Commissioner Finnila mentioned that she would prefer that money from the Northwest Quadrant not be used for rest rooms. Commissioner Heineman stated that since it was a State beach, the City should not spend money putting rest rooms on a State beach. Commissioner Ward pointed out that the sculpture park was designed as an art project and that it was not a City park. 08 Parks and Recreation Commission - 7 - July 20, 1992 Chairman Castner stated that he did not want to use money for the rest rooms from the Northwest Quadrant funds and that he did not think it was the City's responsibility to construct a large masonry unit on a State beach. He stated that there should be portable units with running water. Commissioner Finnila suggested another possibility, and Commissioner Lawson mentioned that the general consensus seemed to be that the rest room was not something that the Parks and Recreation Commission, or even the City, should put in. Commissioner Heineman agreed with Commissioner Lawson. He indicated that the City appeared not to be in a position to provide rest rooms at this time. Commissioner Frazier concurred, and Commissioner Ward asked staff if there were any rest rooms at the State beach. Mr. Price responded no. Mr. Bradstreet indicated that the issue was whether or not the City should be involved in putting any rest rooms on the property of the State beach. More discussion was held as to whether or not the City should be responsible for the rest rooms. A motion was made by Commissioner Ward to recommend to the City that the City of Carlsbad not place rest rooms at that location or assume responsibility to place them there. Chairman Castner asked that the wording "While we recognize that the rest rooms are needed at that location" be added. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Ward, AB #792-6 Rest Room Proposal Beach Area, the Commission recommended to the City Council while the Commission recognizes that rest rooms are needed at that location, the City of Carlsbad not place rest rooms at that location or assume responsibility to place them there. AYES: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Lawson, Heineman, Frazier, and Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Strayer 7. AB #792-7 ANNUAL PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION WORKSHOP Discussion was held as to the best time to hold the Annual Parks and Recreation Commission Workshop. 09 Parks and Recreation Commission -8- July 20, 1992 ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Ward, AB #792-7 Annual Parks and Recreation Commission Workshop will be held on September 19th from 8:30 a.m. to 1:00 p.m at the Senior Center. AYES: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Lawson, Heineman, Frazier, and Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Strayer COMMITTEE REPORTS None. AGENDA ITEMS FOR AUGUST 1. High school triathlon or biathlon. ADJOURNMENT ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Ward, to adjourn the Regular Meeting at 7:10 p.m to the Carrillo Ranch Dedication at 12:30 p.m. on August 14. AYES: Chairman Castner, Commissioners Finnila, Lawson, Heineman, Frazier, and Ward NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Strayer Respectfully submitted, Ruth Stark Minutes Clerk 10