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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-05-16; Parks & Recreation Commission; MinutesMinutes of: PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION Time of Meeting: 5:00 P.M. Date of Meeting: May 16, 1994 Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers CALL TO ORDER Chairman Heineman called the Regular Meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. ROLL CALL Present: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Ward, and Schulberg Absent: Commissioners Baker and Pieratt Staff Members Present: David Bradstreet, Director, Community Services Department Ken Price, Recreation Superintendent Keith Beverly, Senior Management Analyst Carl Pope, Aquatic Supervisor Jeff Briskin, Lagoon Patrolman ANNOUNCEMENTS None. APPROVAL OF MINUTES The approval of the minutes of the Regular Meeting of March 21, 1994 was rescheduled for the next Parks and Recreation Commission meeting since there was not a quorum of four commissioners eligible to vote on the minutes. PRESENTATIONS None. 03 Parks and Recreation Commission - 2 - May 16, 1994 PUBLIC OPEN FORUM None. APPROVAL OF AGENDA ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Ward, the Agenda for May 16, 1994 was approved as printed. AYES: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Ward and Schulberg NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Commissioners Baker and Pieratt CONSENT CALENDAR 1. AB 1594-1 DIRECTOR'S REPORT To accept and file the Director's Report for May 1994. 2. AB #594-2 SUMMARY REPORT To approve, the Summary Report of the March 21, 1994 Parks and Recreation Commission Meeting. 3. AB #594-3 ACCEPTANCE OF DONATIONS To receive donations in support of the Youth Basketball Program and recommend acceptance by the City Manager. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Holmes, Items AB #594-1, AB #594-2, and AB #594-3 of the Consent Calendar for May 16, 1994 were approved. AYES: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Ward and Schulberg NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Commissioners Baker and Pieratt PUBLIC HEARINGS None. Commissioner Baker arrived at 5:06 p.m. ~ 04 Parks and Recreation Commission - 3 - May 16, 1994 DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS 4. AB #594-4 AB 2007 UPDATE Dave Bradstreet, Director, Community Services Department, introduced this item, and Keith Beverly, Senior Management Analyst, gave the staff update. He explained what had transpired since the last meeting and indicated that the City's position was still to opt out of the formation of the proposed district without any assessment at all. Mr. Bradstreet discussed a poll conducted throughout the county and stated that San Diego was the only city in the county that was interested in participating in AB 2007. Questions and discussion included the following issue: • Percentage of money that Carlsbad would receive ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Chairman Heineman, AB #594-4, was approved and accepted. AYES: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Baker, Ward, and Schulberg NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Commissioner Pieratt 5. AB #594-5 REVISIONS TO THE AGUA HEDIONDA LAGOON ORDINANCE Ken Price, Recreation Superintendent, gave the staff presentation on this item. Carl Pope, Aquatic Supervisor, and Jeff Briskin, Lagoon Policeman, assisted with the presentation. Mr. Price explained what was done over the past year and described in detail the proposed changes to the Agua Hedionda Lagoon Ordinance. Chairman Heineman opened the meeting to public testimony. James A. Courtney, 1861 Southview Drive, Carlsbad, represented the Carlsbad Boat Club, and outlined his recommended changes to the Ordinance as stated in his letter of May 9, 1994 to the Recreation Superintendent. This letter was included in the Commissioners' packets for the evening. Keith Mahler, 4519 Cove Drive, Carlsbad, discussed the proposal submitted by the Bristol Cove Boat & Ski Club ("BCBSC") and explained why it would be a problem if the course was moved further south. He indicated that the BCBSC was willing to pay for the additional fiscal impact that resulted from the slalom course area. 05 Parks and Recreation Commission - 4 - May 16, 1994 Bogdan Madurowicz, 4623 Park Drive, Carlsbad, expressed support for the BCBSC proposal. Cherie Fitzpatrick, 4519-3 Cove Drive, Carlsbad, described the community activities of the BCBSC in detail. Jim Toya-brown, 4747 Marina Drive, #5, Carlsbad, explained how the BCBSC proposal would eliminate problems. These included a proper two way direction eliminating the danger of improper flow of free traffic; the power area not being impacted; the necessity of a designated course for only slalom users; and beach access would not be limited. He stated that the BCBSC could educate everyone to use the lagoon, and gave his support to the BCBSC proposal. Jennifer Harcq, 4747 Marina Drive, #5, Carlsbad, explained why she supported the BCBSC proposal, including the fact that it would be safer. She also indicated that there was not enough water in the south for power boats, as staff had recommended. She explained why she agreed with keeping an open course during the winter months. Allen Rogers, 4705 Marina Drive, #8, Carlsbad, discussed the survey conducted by the City and his concern about beach access and the lack of use of the lagoon during off-season. He expressed his support for the BCBSC proposal. Rolf Sammons, 7060 Zubaron Lane, Carlsbad, described changes that had taken place in the lagoon over the past 25 years. He mentioned his support for the BCBSC proposal. Tina Rogers, 4705 Marina Drive, #8, Carlsbad, expressed her support for the BCBSC proposal. Robert Mahler, 4519 Cove Drive, #7, Carlsbad, indicated that smooth water was necessary to run the lagoon and that a one way was not suitable. Jeff Kern, Carlsbad, mentioned that he was learning how to ski and explained how a one way direction would make it too difficult. Jerry Kern, 4525 Cove Drive, #15, Carlsbad, stated that slalom was a serious sport and that it was not possible to play by the rules as set up. Brook Olsen, 4320 Brooks Way, Carlsbad, explained the activities that he and his family participated in and gave his support for the BCBSC proposal because he felt it addressed all the uses of the lagoon on an equitable basis. Robin Putnam, 4519 Cove Drive, Carlsbad, mentioned that staff's proposal would put an end to safely enjoying boating activity on the lagoon, and invited the — 06 Parks and Recreation Commission - 5-May 16, 1994 commissioners to visit the course. Ms. Putnam addressed each item of the BCBSC proposal. She indicated that she wanted the rules of a two way course to be the same all the time. Kim Blalock, 4651 Pannonia Road, Carlsbad, explained that firefighters trained on the course. He indicated that he was in favor of moving the course 50 feet but was not in agreement with the 10:00 a.m. restraint and discussed why. Lauren Shea, 2010 Charleen Circle, Carlsbad, mentioned she wanted the course to be open all day. Michael Shea, 2010 Charleen Circle, Carlsbad, expressed his support for the BCBSC proposal. He discussed weather conditions and its impact, and indicated he would like to see the course open later. He mentioned that skiing in one direction was impossible. Paul O'Neal, 5875 Avenida Encinas, Carlsbad, represented SDGE, and discussed his letter sent to the Recreation Superintendent, which outlined suggested changes to the Ordinance. His letter was included in the Commissioners' packets for the evening. R. Doug Partie, 1626 Circuq Court, Encinitas, explained how he was impressed by the way the people conducted themselves on the water. Bob Cturtlik, Encinitas, indicated that he supported the BCBSC proposal. He stated that the skiers had practiced safety and were respectful of other users. Sharon Clancy, 5185 E. Walton Street, Long Beach, spoke on behalf of herself and another resident. She expressed frustration in that she did not feel she had full information about the project. Ms. Clancy indicated that the maps were not accurate, and explained that her boat has not been in the water for six months because of safety factors. She stated that she had no problem with the course being moved 50 feet west if it was safer for a passive area but she had a problem with pre-existing patterns that evolved over the last 13 years. Ms. Clancy indicated that she did not know that the traffic patterns were illegal, and indicated that as time went on, course users were going further west. She stated that she had a video which illustrated illegal use. Mark Baskin, 4747 Marina Drive, #13, Carlsbad, explained that he was a casual user and indicated that casual users should have a say in how the lagoon was being used. He discussed problems with the two way situation and mentioned that the maps were not to scale. 07 Parks and Recreation Commission - 6 - May 16, 1994 Lance Teren, 4607 Park Drive, #13, Carlsbad, indicated that he was a passive and powerboat user and stated that he thought the BCBSC proposal would enhance the limited space and safety of South Beach and explained why. He requested that staff take a close technical look at powerboat users who do not use the course and slalom users with needs at the designated times. Michael J. Pfankuch, 3532 Donna Drive, Carlsbad, represented the Carlsbad Boat Club. He addressed Section 11.24065 and indicated he would like mention of all access for the general public, including the Carlsbad Boat Club & Marina. He requested that personal watercraft be excluded on page 8 of that section and expressed his support for the BCBSC proposal for changing the course 50 feet west to two way traffic, and allowing slalom course use from sunrise to 10:00 a.m., especially during the summer. Raymond Turnipseed, 1028 Buena Vista Way, Carlsbad, discussed his opposition of two way traffic in the lagoon, especially in the corner, and explained why. He indicated that this was definitely a safety problem. Larry Apodaca, 4719 Marina Drive, #C, Carlsbad, indicated he opposed the two way slalom course because it was unsafe. He expressed his concern if parents could not take their children from the beach at a slow pace for skiing. Mr. Apodaca stated that the slalom skiers have not followed the rules in the past. On order of the Chairman, the Commission recessed at 7:05 p.m. On order of the Chairman, the Commission reconvened at 7:15 p.m. Questions and discussion included the following issues: • Operating hours for the boat ramps • Minimum speeds for personal watercraft Chairman Heineman made a motion to return the revisions of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon Ordinance to staff so that staff could investigate some of the suggestions proposed and also change some of the language proposed in the ordinance. Commissioner Cox suggested that staff needed more direction from the Parks and Recreation Commission. Chairman Heineman withdrew his motion. Questions and discussed continued on the following issues: • Agreement with the language • Need for more information about past conflicts and clarification as to why staff was making a different proposal from the proposal presented by the ski club. - 08 Parks and Recreation Commission - 7 - May 16, 1994 • Explanation of what had occurred during the last five years to require an amendment to the Ordinance. • Various passive uses • Space requirements for the course • Request for a map to scale, including proper location of beach and buoys • Clarification of location and whether or not a move would be acceptable • Weekday use requirements of the lagoon • Need for the City Attorney to review the changes in language proposed by SDGE. ACTION: On motion by Chairman Heineman, AB #594-5, was returned to staff for consideration of the recommended changes. AYES: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Baker, Ward, and Schulberg NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Commissioner Pieratt Ken Price urged everyone using the lagoon to follow the rules of the water until changes were made. Commissioner Ward suggested that people abusing privileges ruined it for everyone else, causing privileges to be taken away. She asked everyone to comply with the current rules and regulations. 6. AB #594-6 GROWTH MANAGEMENT WORKSHOP PRESENTATION Dave Brad street recommended continuing this item to another evening. ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Holmes, AB #594-6 was continued to another evening. AYES: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Baker, Ward, and Schulberg NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Commissioner Pieratt 09 Parks and Recreation Commission - 8 - May 16, 1994 COMMITTEE REPORTS Commissioner Ward presented the report for the AB 2007 Citizen Advisory Group. She indicated that she did not detect much support for AB 2007. AGENDA ITEMS FOR MAY 1. Golf Course development update ADJOURNMENT ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Holmes to adjourn the Regular Meeting at 7:42 p.m. AYES: Chairman Heineman, Commissioners Cox, Holmes, Baker, Ward and Schulberg NOES: None ABSTAIN: None ABSENT: Commissioner Pieratt Respectfully submitted, Ruth Stark Minutes Clerk 10