HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-03-24; Parks & Recreation Commission; Minutes- Minutes of: PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 530 P.M.
Date of Meeting: March 24, 2003
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Schulberg called the Regular Meeting to order at 535 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Present: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Pacheco, Pieratt, Hubbard, and Comstock
Absent: Commissioner Cunningham
Staff Members Present:
Ken Price, Recreation Director
Keith Beverly, Senior Management Analyst
John Cahill, Municipal Projects Manager
Doug Duncanson, Deputy Public Works Director
Scott Bradstreet, Park Planner
Carl Pope, Aquatics Manager
Dave Gorsline, Aquatics Specialist
Peter Gordon, Arts Manager
Liz Ketabian, Park Planner
ANNOUNCEMENTS
John McKaig, 1401 Panorama Ridge, Oceanside, explained that he represented the
businessmen in the area and requested suggestions for a place to plant a tree in memory of
Jerry Mcllellan. Chairman Schulberg assured Mr. McKaig that the City could probably
accommodate him and that he should contact Doug Duncanson, Deputy Public Works Director,
to discuss it further.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Pieratt, the Minutes of the Regular Meeting
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Pieratt, Hubbard, and Comstock
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Pacheco
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
held on December 16, 2002 were approved.
PRESENTATIONS
None.
PUBLIC OPEN FORUM
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- APPROVAL OF AGENDA
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Pieratt, the Agenda for March 24, 2003, was
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Pacheco, Pieratt, Hubbard, and
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
approved as amended to place AB #303-6 ahead of AB #303-5.
Comstock
CONSENT CALENDAR
1. AB #303-1 SUMMARY REPORT
To accept, approve and file the Summary Report of the December 16,2002 Parks and
Recreation Commission Meeting.
2. AB #303-2 RECEIPT OF DONATION
To receive a donation to the Carrillo Ranch from Joan Kindle, the volunteer Carrillo Ranch
Curator.
3. AB #303-3 CITIZEN’S LETTER REGARDING THE NORTHWEST QUADRANT
COMMUNITY PARK
To acknowledge a letter to the City Council regarding approval of the Park Master Plan.
- 4. AB #303-4 RICK LANTZ LETTEWAQUATIC COMPLEX AT ALGA NORTE COMMUNITY
PARK
To acknowledge receipt of a letter regarding the future aquatic facility.
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Comstock, AB #303-1, AB #303-2,
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Pacheco, Pieratt, Hubbard, and
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
AB #303-3, and AB #303-4 were approved.
Comstock
DEPARTMENTAL REPORTS
6. AB #303-6 PROPOSED FEE INCREASES FOR THE EXISTING AQUATIC FACILITY AND
PROGRAMS
Keith Beverly, Senior Management Analyst, explained that Carl Pope, Aquatics Manager and
Dave Gorsline, Aquatics Specialist, would give the staff presentation on this item. Mr. Pope
explained that the Aquatic Complex Master Plan was on the Park and Recreation Commission’s
agenda during the previous year. He added that the Parks and Recreation Commission directed
staff to investigate and make recommendations for raising aquatic fees.
Mr. Pope described the steps staff followed to determine how much fees should be increased,
and reminded the Commission that City Council has recommended a goal for 50% recovery of
costs for the facility. He explained how the goal was met in the last 3-4 years but stated that
recently it was more of a challenge to meet that goal. He displayed a chart that showed the
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c current fees, the mean, and the recommended fees. Mr. Pope described the various fees, and
added that the City did not currently operate all programs listed but explained that the programs
remained on the list for the future.
He also discussed what was included in rental fees, and described the fees for special events
and use during “after normal” operation hours.
Questions and answers included the following issues:
Percentage of contract fees that the City received
0 Clarification of lifeguard fees
0 Estimation of whether the recommended rates would meet the 50% recovery cost goal
0 Actual expenditures and actual revenues
0 Possibility of raising fees higher than currently being recommended by staff
0 Recommendation for raising fees for special events
0 Description of the Scholarship Program
0 Timing of increasing the fees
0 Inclusion of a buffer
Chairman Pieratt opened the public hearing.
Rick Lantz, 2844 Wilson, Carlsbad, explained that he was a manager for one of the clubs using
the pool, and added that his group was happy to have the time, even if it was late in the day. He
stated that his group incurred the costs of lifeguard and utilities for after hours and suggested
that everyone should share the costs.
Commissioner Pieratt asked for clarification of how the pricing was established.
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Larry David, 7042 El Fuerte Street, Carlsbad, indicated that Mr. Lantz covered what he had
planned to discuss. He expressed concern about the large number of non-residents using the
programs. He added that he felt that nighttime costs should be spread over to the daytime
users.
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Pieratt, AB #303-6, to direct staff to return at
a later date and recommend fees which will bring recovery costs to 52%,
and to amortize the extra costs for after normal hours among all users.
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Cunningham, Pacheco, Hubbard,
and Comstock
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
5. AB #303-5 ALGA NORTE COMMUNITY PARWAQUATIC COMPLEX MASTER PLAN
John Cahill, Municipal Projects Manager, Scott Bradstreet, Park Planner, and Carl Pope gave
the staff presentation on this item. Mr. Cahill described the results from the Aquatics Complex
Study. He explained the project goals and needs, and emphasized the importance of meeting
the needs for today and for the future.
Pat Caughey of Wimmer, Yamada & Caughey, gave an overview of the project. He pointed out
had been accomplished since January, and added that a group of people, including staff, City
,- the Master Plan and specifically addressed the location of the pool project. He explained what
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I Council members and representatives of this Commission, went to Sacramento to look at three
other aquatic complexes. He described each of the complexes in detail and stated that each of
the complexes was unique.
Mr. Caughey explained that a public workshop was held on February 27‘h. He described the six
options that were presented at the workshop and how public input was given. Randy Mendioroz
presented details of the six alternatives, and clarified that two new options were added after
receiving public input. He stated that Option #7, the two-pool layout, was the recommended
alternative since it fit closely with the funds allocated for the project.
John Cahill explained that staff was recommending Option #7 because it clearly and most
closely matched the existing CIP budget of $6,000,000, it met most program needs for dollars
invested, and it provided the most flexibility in growth potential for the future. Mr. Cahill
reviewed the development cost of all the options, as contained in the report given to the
Commissioners and included in the Commissioners’ packets for the evening.
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Recovery costs and the impact on including two lanes and adding a slide to the
recreation pool, bringing it closer to Option #5
Clarification that there was a need to decide on the number and size of the pools
Staffs obligation to make recommendations that were within the budget
Recreational components contribute significantly to revenue components
Importance of remembering who the users are
Concern that development in phases ultimately ends up with less being built
Necessity of building a pool for citizens
Recommendation to look at cost recovery at the beginning and tap into Proposition C
funds to be earmarked for the pools
Breakdown on current uses
Discussion of adding a river pool and spray features
Suggestion of using sponsorships for items such as pavers to raise additional funds
Concern that the parking allotment was too high
Chairman Schulberg opened the public testimony.
Jeff Lee, 4335 Tieste Drive, Carlsbad, referred to Option #8, particularly the therapy pool. He
explained his motivation and added that his child’s therapist indicated that if the option was
available, the therapist would use the pool for all patients.
Larry David, 7042 El Fuerte Street, Carlsbad, addressed staff from a water polo perspective.
He stated that Option #7 was satisfactory and addressed expanding the budget to fully
accommodate all users.
Rick Lantz, 2844 Wilson, Carlsbad, wanted to clarify that he used the current pool from all
standpoints. He described the competitive user groups and asked the City to focus on a multi-
pool complex, not a water pool park, that would meet competitive swimming needs.
James Hamilton 2352 Hosp Way, Carlsbad, explained that water polo was a growing force and
could attract top-notch competition. He added that a smaller pool could have children eight
having bleachers for opposing fans which would bring in revenue.
_- years and under learn a sport that was recreational. He suggested moving the smaller pool and
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Chairman Schulberg closed the public testimony.
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Importance of serving all residents
Competition, instruction, and recreation, with recreational needs currently vastly
underserved
Inclusion of all three elements from the beginning rather than in phases
Warm water for small children
Addition of a river
Swim meets were a money loser
High costs were in maintaining pools rather than building them
Timing of development and the need to build the aquatic complex as soon as possible
Importance of being a place for non-organized sports people
Options #5 vs #7
Clarification of the size of the therapy pool, the cost, and the need for one
Suggestion to include a therapeutic pool and add to lanes to the recreation pool for
Option #7
Clarification that Option #5 consisted of a one size children pool whereas another option
had two separate children pools
Possibility of combining seniors and juniors by designating different hours for the groups
or grading one area where the section could gradually get deeper
Most facilities resulted in being compromises due to cost
Feasibility of phasing of recreational components, a detailed description of what was
included, and cost recovery rates
Clarification of why workshop users selected Option #6 and not Option #5
Concern about the economy taking a downturn which could affect future funding for the
pool complex if developed in phases
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Pacheco, AB #303-5, to recommend to City
Council to accept Option #5 with the addition of increasing the number of
lanes in the recreation pool from 8 to 10 lanes, and building the complex
now rather than in phases, and also to include the therapy pool of
approximately 375 square feet.
and Comstock
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Cunningham, Pacheco, Hubbard,
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
7. AB #303-7 PROPOSED PUBLIC ART COMPONENT FOR LARWIN COMMUNITY PARK
Liz Ketabian, Park Planner, gave the staff presentation on this item. She reported on the design
of the art component for the Park and updated members of the Commission on what Sylvia
Tidwell, the artist, had done up until now. She referred to the mockups on the table and
described the artist's concepts of the pieces. She explained the process, including obtaining
public input, and stated that 66% of the responses from the public were positive. Ms. Ketabian - mentioned that the Arts Commission approved the project,
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- Questions and discussion included the following issues:
0 Concern that a split rail fence would not hold up
0 Importance of art
0 Residency of the artist, which was addressed by Peter Gordon, Arts Manager for the
0 Whether there was an escape clause if the citizens did not like the artwork
0 Recommendation for an educational plaque explaining the artwork
City of Carlsbad
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Hubbard, AB #303-7, to accept staffs report
and recommend including an explanation of the art work theme
represented by the art piece.
Comstock
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Pacheco, Pieratt, Hubbard, and
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
COMMITTEE /COUNCIL REPORTS
None.
AGENDA ITEMS FOR FUTURE COMMISSION MEETING
1. Request staff to find a location for a memorial tree for Jerry Mcllellan
3. Amendments to the Park and Recreation Element
L 2. Addition of a teenager to the Parks and Recreation Commission
ADJOURNMENT
ACTION: On motion by Commissioner Schulberg to adjourn the Regular Meeting at
AYES: Chairman Schulberg, Commissioners Pacheco, Pieratt, Hubbard, and
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Cunningham
8:15 p.m.
Comstock
Respectfully submitted,
Ruth Stark,
Minutes Clerk
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