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Home My WebLink About1964-06-04; Planning Commission; Minutes: CITY OF CARLSBAD : Date of Meeting: June 4, 1964 (Adjourned Meeting) ! '*\ '' ', , , * i Time of Meeting: 7:OO P. M. ! Name \\, ?+ '\,,@&, I : Place of Meeting: Council Chambers of ',+@* \Q&\+ 4?+ ~""""""""""-""""""""""""~"*~""""""""""""";""""""""~~~l"-~,"" *.I I \, .., 3 *. ,. ." I I I I PLANNING COMMISSION I I s, ',,',,, '., y,, Minutes of: % \,\" , \' ' .' I 8 \ '.& \ "4 1 : Member .%bnp.&? &$ ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners McCarthy, i i Palmer, Lamb and McComas. Commissioners Ward, i : Grant, and Sutherland were absent, Also present were : i City Attorney Stuart C, Wilson and City Planner Uhland ?3) : Melton; and representatives from Daniel, Mann, Johnson : and Mendenhall, Kenneth Norwood, Project Planner; and i : James Kuebelbeck, Economist. I I : Chairman Palmer announced this meeting was for the : i purpose of studying a rough draft of the goals of DMJM, : I and to establish communications lines with them. He called ; attention to the fact that the City Council liason committe$, Mayor Carl H. Neiswender and Cmn. J. E. Jardine were; i present. Among other interested parties present were representatives from the San Diego Gas & Electric CompaBy, I Mr. Owens and Mr . Laffoon. I I I I I I I I 1 j KENNETH NORWOOD stated that they felt they were real$ i underway arid explained the six study maps displayed on : : the walls. I He presented the Commissioners with Interim Report #1, I dated June 4, 1964, City of Carlsbad General Plan, of the: : Research and Analysis: Land use, Population and I : Economic Characteristics and explained the purpose of i i the land use inventory and analysis, and that in order to i achieve a more precise analysis, the City was d€vided into ; nine planning areas, and the essential charactepistics we* : identified. The City is currently compdsed of 3380 acres; i and he explained the percentages and total acrea..of dwell: i ings, commercial, motels, industrial, schools, churches: : agriculture, vacant land, utilities, streets, freeway, rail: road right of way, etc, He stated that from this study thety : would make recommendations on an area encompassing i 22,000 acres. i By calculating the area in each zone they can begin to tell! : what changes can be takdn into account. a a ! He explained the census tracts on the map ahd pointed out i i that study area No. 1 is the area iqetween the beach and the : railroad, and study area No. 4 is the area between the railroad and freeway. Areas No, 1 and No. 4 are the ; i oldest and have the closest relationship together I I : He explained that it was necessary to consider the follow-! ing: Different characteristics, how the area has grown in! I the past; the potential for change of use or re-use; whethq the trend has occurred in the past; new uses in old areas; i : examine the newer areas; whether the City desires a I historic and resort area; lot size; nature of street patter+; : and ages of people in different areas; low to high density; ; I future marina; light industries; R-1 which has been chanqed : to subdivision lots, some good and some poor. I i He stated that h yould like to get the Commission's reaction for ins1 and guidance, plus economic analysis, ; and would like straightforward questions and to know thei4 i personal feelings regarding the characteristics of the weas. : As the Commission uses this material, they will be happy! i to have their comments on this study at the meeting in : : July when they will have more speCific ideas, l i Mr . Norwood explained the topography of the back countrd i on the maps and referred to the Carlsbad and the County : : Master Road Plan, but explained that at this time, they i I I I 1 I I I # I r I I I I I I I I I I I I li& l I b did not show any roads as their recommendations He pointed out that the area to the south is larger than the: i present City. 8 I I I I I # I s 1 I I I. ..I l . .v I ,I I I I I ! I 1 Councilman Jardine questioned whether the thought had i I occurred to DMJM that another City might spring up in : : these outer areas and Mr. Norwood stated that he certainb had thought of it , in view of the fact that this area, south : : to Batiquitos Lagoon faces the ocean for a distance of mo4e I than four miles, while the area of present development, i : from Buena Vista Lagoon to Agua Hedionda Lagoon, has a; i frontage of only about 1 1/2 miles. Depths are about equ?l. ! I I l.*l- JAMES KUEBELBECK, Economist, stated that they like i 4:;:: : to have the people come to the meeting so that they know ; :::;:I '11 $1 the feelings of the community regarding the goals and i i objectives desired. He referred to and explained pages ; I:;;:, ; 5 , 6 and 7 of this report regarding population and econo4ics. ;;Itla 11;; :::!#I ! I 1 ::::;: i He pointed out that Carlsbad ranked seventh in terms of i i percentage growth rate relative to other growth areas of : ; San Diego County between 1950 and 1960. Labor Force, Income, Age Data. The three subdivisions: i of the Planning area have diverse characteristics. Mr. ; : Kuebelbeck explained the Beach Area (Planning Area N0.l); : the Downtown Area (Planning Area No. 4); the New City ; i Area (Planning Areas No. 2,3,5,6,7,8 and 9); Employme$t, : Retail Sales; and Building permits. He discussed the I tourist area along the beach; how much industry does the : i City want I and the type of caliber and growth to be expect4d ; influenced by the factors of other communities. Mayor Neiswender stated that the area to the south is now! : agricultural and questioned making it R-1 with $50,000. ; i homes, nothing cheap and nothing less than one acre. He i inquired about the potentiality of getting this type of : development. ! Mr . Kuebelbeck stated that they would have to consider i two different groups. For a $50,000. retreat home they ; would have to determine the number of high income level : ' i people who are located in Carlsbad, and if they could affoid to fly, they could afford to go to different retreat areas. I I He felt that within the next 20 years, there would be a : i more permanent group that would want to locate in Carlsbbd ; who would have an income of $25 to $30 000. per year. : i The Mayor stated that he based that question on the fact i : that Lake San Marcos has $35 to $40,000. homes and I i There was considerable discussion regarding the Paloma! : Airport on whether a community could be built around it; ; i if they have high denaity , would they have to move the : : airport; building in the flight pattern; this airport listed i i by Stanford Research Institute as one of six jet locations : : in the County; that it appears to be located in a good : that vertical take off may make a big difference. i MR. NORWOOD stated that at the next meeting they shoulg have more economic analysis and projections of the char* I teristics that will tend to occur over the next 20 years. I i Using that material they wilL take maps and will have mor)e : summarized groupings. He felt that it might be 30 to 50 i years before the back part of the country would be built : : up. He stated that he had learned more from the question$ i asked at this meeting, and would appreciate knowing more : of their feelings by letter or note. He felt they will have i i to learn something more about the Library Commission, ! : the Parks and Recreation Commission, the Police and I Fire Departments. He was interested in the increase in : : community buildings. He thought it might be feasible for i the Council Committee and the Commission to meet with : : the City Manager and Library Board of Trustees. He i would like memorandums from them or for them to appeaf : in per son. ! I I 1 I I * I I I I I * I 1 I I I I * * a I I l I l e they cannot build them fast enough. I I 6 I I $ I location for a terminal between Los Angeles and SanDiegd; I I I I I I I I 1 I I I .. w-* L I I I I I I I I I I # I , 8 , -3- I I I MR. LAFFOON, San Diego Gas & Electric Co. , stated i : that they wished to cooperate with the City and DMJM and {hat i they have been collecting maps and data and brought them : for DMJM. Their interest is primarily with the lagoon ana i they brought maps of the soundings, borings , depths of th$ : lagoon at various times in regards to silt. They have map$ for right of way and power lines. t I I I I I b I JACK KUBOTA, Engineer for the Carlsbad Municipal : : Water District# called attention to the planning which the ; I County Planning Dept. is doing in much of the same area I : the DMJM studies cover, and suggested that the tasks be : coordinated in regard to what is happening today and next i i month with the sewerage system, rezoning, current anne*- : ation patterns, etc. I ! I I , , MR. EDWARD HUMMEL, Park Drive, asked about I I 4- 8 1:i:;; i Calaveras Lake and if it is going to be considered. I I ::::;: I I I ::;::: i:::;: i MR. NORWOQD stated that they would consider this as it ! ;::II; : has an excellent potential for parks and recreation. They I 4::;: will study ways and means of preserving the natural resoulces :!::I; : and visual amenities. that the City now has ; the lagoon, I ;I:':; trees, dild life seuary, which identify this as being a : I::!:; ::;I:l : part of Carlsbad. I :::;Il '1; I ;:::;: ! MR. NOR WOOD called attention to page 9, Goals and , 4:::: ! Objectives. In order that the General Plan for the City 04 i:::,; 1;;1:1 I Carlsbad be a working and meaningful document for the peQple ;:*:I: i of Carlsbad for the future it is important that the desired: :;:;:; ::::i: : goals and objectives for the plan be developed jointly betwden i::;:: i the consultant and the city. A study outline of goals and ; 4:!; : objectives is presented below for review and discussion in! terms of the desires and ambititions of Carlsbad's officials ::: I;, 1::::: : and citizens. 8 @I * I * I 4 :'I, 1 I I ::!!:I 1,I:I; I I I t 4 : To enhance residential neighborhood livability, provide I : and upgrade old residential areas, and provide adequate i I schools, parks, and visual amenities. i Historic preservationof those areas and buildings that are! : significant to Carlsbad's history and to the development of! i areas of attraction for visitors. protection against incompatible uses and traffic interference, I I I e I I I I I I I 8 , I I b I I I I I I , I 0 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I ! ! -4- ! Shoreline and aquatic recreational development of the : Beach and lagoons in the study area to the maxlrnum beneqt ; of the city and to the citizens, including a small craft : b harbor in Agua Hedionda Lagoon. 1 I I I I I I I I i Circulation network to provide major traffic routes i separated from residential and local business neighborho&s ; for maximum protection of existing and future residents. I Determine the extent of Carlsbad's Downtown improveme+t and expansion reLative to the competitive influences of the; I I 1 ; future suburban development. i Ultimate size and configuration of the city limits relative i ; io future fiscal and economic lhitations to further annex-: i ations. i ADJOURNMENT: i By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 9:23 P.MI i Respectfully submitted, I I 1 I I I I 1 I I I I I I e I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I Recording Secretary I l l e !ii!i! I I I I I I I 1 I I e e I !i:!i! 1 I I I I I I I !;:!;! 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