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Home My WebLink About1964-08-20; Planning Commission; MinutesI I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I i I I I 1 I I I I ! I *\ '.' s 8 - I 1 CITY OF CARLSBAD I Minutes of: PLANNING COMMISSION I I \ \, '8 ', '8 '8 I ~ Date of Meeting: August 20: 19G4 (Adjourned Mee-&i.n~~,,8~, *.&8b.8"d s *\ 88 '8 '8 88 I I I 888 ', 8 '8 '8 '8 I ', t8 'S ' ' '8 I I Time of Meeting: 7:30 P.M, Place of Meeting: Council Chambers : Member 8fb'$$$Fg "'4 """"~"""""""""""""--""""""""""""""""""""~""""""""" "","" ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners Palma- i::::; teer, Sutherland, Lamb, McComas and Freistadt. I :;::;; Commissioners Grant and McCarthy were absent. t I ::;::: Also present were City Attorney Wilson, Assistant: ll#;l; City Engineer Thornton, Building Inspector Osburq :I l;!8hl I1 and Councilman Jardine. I I I i;;::; 1 *:!::: 1 '.*;%?. 8 8 *@& ,* 4 of 8.L 4,;. **+ : :::::; I I i Chairman Sutherland announced this meeting with ! a- 1q;i; ;: ; Mr. Kenneth Norwood of Daniel, Mann, Johnson and ::I:;: :I:: I Mendenhall was to vertify and confirm what has I 4:;;; : been done on the study of the Master Plan before ; ;:#;I8 v;lIl i having a public hearing on it. I I 1:;::: I I I :::;:I ;;:::; The City Attorney read a memorandum to the City :::4:1 : Manager fron the City Engineer regarding the I I :;4:: i major arterial street system as proposed by WJM I :;::;I :in which he questioned the changes made in the ; :;::;; h;h; i City's previous plan of streets and highways. I I ;;:ii; I :::l:l I I* ! I I1 I I I I I The City Engineer explained that the basic desi94 standards for the arterial street system as the ; City plansit complies with those developed by the: "Subdivision Standards Sub-Committee" of the CitJ and are similar to those adopted by the San Diego! County Technical Road Policy Committee. Accordin4 to' * function? the arterial streets are divided ! into major roads, collector roads and residential! collector streets. Major roads are 82 feet wide I curb to curb on 102 feet of R/W and provide for i 4 traffic lanes with median dividers and turning bays. Collector roads are 64 feet wide curb to 1 curb on 84 feet of R/W and provide for 4 traff ici lanes within median dividers. Residential col- : lector streets are 40 feet wide curb to curb on ! 60 feet of R/W and provide for 2 lanes of traf- i fic. Road classification contemplated for the i Carlsbad area by this department are: I I I I 1 a - I MAJOR ROADS (82' on 102' R/W) - El Camino ! Real, Cannon Road, Palomar Airport Road and Mel- : rose Dkive. I I I I I I I I COLLECTOR ROADS (64' on 84' R/W)- Elm Ave,, i I RESIDEWIAL COLLECTOR STREETS (48l. ..on 68' I i Carlsbad Blvd., and Poinsettia Road. i Rh) - Jefferson Street, Marron Road, Los Flores i Drive, Highland Drive, Park Drive, Chestnut Ave.r; : Tamarack Avenue (East of Freeway), Kelly Drive, ; i Francisco Drive, Las Monos Drive, Macario Road, : Las Encinas Road, North Batiquitos Way, Camino ; ! Sobre Las Lomas and Carillo Way. ! Among the specific points which are made by DMJM : i on their preliminary map that should be chal- : lenged for proper arterial street planning are: : Elm Avenue, Cannon Road, Tamarack Avenue and ; College Blvd. has been eliminated from Elm Ave. i to Vista Way and an alternate route ending this . : : road at Elm Avenue has been proposed. College i i Blvd. is the only interchange plahned on the *. .: : Vista Way freeway between El Camino Real and i Emerald interchanges and will provide a direct i i route to the new Oceanside-Carlsbad Junior Col- i : lege. In addition, this street will provide a : : direct route from Vista Way Freeway to the Cal- i I averas Lake and Agua Hedionda recreation areas. : ; This road will be Extremely important to Carls- bad and should be protected as a 4 lane (84' Rh)! : traffic link from Vista Way to Cannon Road. I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I 8 I I I I I I I I b * I i I I I I I I '\ .' 4, ' ' . I '8 t8 '% ', ' ' I I I s '8 '. I ' '8 I I. 1 '8, ",8'8, '8 ', 'S 4 I : of '$80 ' ',+ I i-~-~-Na~~~~~"~~-~~~~-~~at he had an additional I I::*#I 14 @&I:;: ; map with changes on it to the City Engineer ::;::: I !:::It 'I1 ; several days before, and had gone over this with ! l::@:l ; the City Engineer that afternoon and had made :; i ;II:8; i some adjustments. They had taken other routes ; ;::;:I 1:'s:; i for land use locations and had moved Some of the i ;;::;; ; roads to follow the canyons. I :;I::: I I I :;'::: i Mr. Norwood and Mr. Thornton went over the pro- ;;::;; I:::;: i posed streets and roads explaining their view- ;: :'I; : points for the location and widths of these s: :. 'I 1 ;I1 1:::; ::pi ; tax funds. I I !{;I;: *Il*; I I ;::::; ! There was considerable discussion on the proposed! 01;1lI i streets in the easterly development of the la- i ;;I!*' : goon. *I;;** * ;:;;:; l :I:@:@ : me. ALLAN KELLY stated that he and A4r. Bob Rom- i III:@; i botis agreed there was a need for an 84' street I ;::;:; 4:;:: : down near the waterfront and was opposed to I :::pi: i through traffic going through a residential area,i ':l;l; ::!!:I ICmn, J, Jardine inquired if they were talking : : about a service road by the water and Mr. Norwood! stated that he felt there should be an 84' road i plus a 36' service road. I I i JACK KUBUTA, 2965 Roosevelt Street, stated that ! : he is another engineer, and that the Commission i I and community should help DMJM and orient them : : how the City wants these streets as it is impos- i sible for DMM to know the City's wishes other- : :wise. When the public hearings are held the I i people will line up and want to know what is *.:; : going to happen to their porches? garages, etc, i i Mr, Norwood explained that the purpose of the i !Master Plan is not to solve individual problems, : : but is a guide to follow. I !MR. LAWRENCE BAGLEY, Director of Planning, Ocean-! ! side, stated that if DMJAn meets with the Engine- : : ering Department regarding the streets, he would i : like to meet with them as some of their streets ; [ mingle and they should arrive at a standard on : ; these secondary and major streets on whether they! ; should be 84' or 104' and come up with a common : policy, He explained that they use the County : : standard Street Policy and have an adopted major I i street plan. Mr. Bagley inquired about the preservation and I : development of the Buena Vista Lagoon and felt i i that Carlsbad and Oceanside should work together : : in forming an improvement district to maintain i i the water level after the Joint Sewer Project is ; i completed, and if this should be developed hS a I ; park or residential development. He felt there i : should be a joint policy for the development of ; the lagoon to assure adequate water and open i : park areas. t !There was disoussfbn on the amount Of a bond .. i issue for developing this and the amount the Fed-I i era1 Government would grant for a public park. : !The Chairman stated that he had talked to Mr. i Frank Lilley, City Manager of Oceanside and he ! : had stated that he would be glad to give help on i this study. I I I I - 6.- '8, *8 ', 'r I i Name '%,'++ '' '.$ $+ i I : Member '?$@. ,?$$.*(, 9 '%* '& b.1 : I I ""_ "" """"""_ "",""""""~"""""""~"~ ""7"" staff meeting with the staff and had submitted a I Ill I streets and which would be developed under gas i t I 8 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I * I I I I 1 l a I I I I B I I I 1 -3- I I I I ;""""""""""""""~""""""""""""""-"--"--"-""- : The Chairman appointed Commissioner Palmateer an9 f- i Bob Johnston as a Committee to meet with Mr. Bag-; : ley and others from the City of Oceanside to I I establish a joint policy for the development of i i the Buena Vista Lagoon. Mr. Johnston was in- I I ; structed to furnish data on the zoning and the { i ownerships of the Carlsbad area in the lagoon, i : and to have a report for the Commission prior to ; i their study session, on the Master Plan of the j . -.. : uty, I I 1 I I I I I ! Population Distribution Map. Mr. Norwood ex?. b 2 i plained this map and there was considerable dis- i - .* : cussion on it. * I L I I I :A recess was called at 9:35. Reconvened at 9:45 I P.M. I I I I * i After further discussion and study regarding the : land use study, the Commission felt they would : ! like a rouah draft of their reDort Drior to set- ! i tin9 a dat; for a public heari'ng. ' I I I When questioned about the zoning and subdivision i ;ordinances of the City, Mr. Norwood explained I i that they have gone over each section of the ! zoning ordinance and made recommendations, which i jwould be part of the draft for the Commission to i :review prior to the public hearing. I I :The Commission planned to have copies made of i this map in order that they could go out to shudyi : the City with the map either by themselves or two: I together in order to have a better understanding i I I I I I 1 a I I I I !The Chairman announced that the next study work i : session with DMJM would be on Thursday, September: jl0, 1964, at 7:30 P.M. in the Council Chambers, : : and each Commissioner is to bring in a paper with: i his viewpoints. i ADJOURWNT : i By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at : 11:Ol P.M. i Respectfully submitted, I I I 1 I I I I a I I * I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I i Ay&.c&7,w-, : DOROTHY MFSMISA I Recording Secretary - .. . "- "- Y I I I I * ! I b I a I