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Home My WebLink About1964-09-22; Planning Commission; MinutesI I :CITY OF CARLSBAD I 8, '\,",, '8, '*,", I I , \' I I '8, 's, '.8 ', 8, ', I : Date of Meeting: September 22, 1964 Name 8, .$, '3 ! : of '.$&*, 't. cp, : : Place of Meeting: Council ChamSers : Member $'.*+ \&; ~"""~"""""""""""""""""""""""""""~-"-""""-~"----""""----"-"~-~-- : ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners McCarthy, i '11,(( ::;;:; I Grant, Sutherland, Lamb, McComas ar,d Freistadt. Corn: ::;;:I i missioner Palmateer was absent. Also present were City! i!:;!; ; Manager Mamaux, City Attorney Wilson, Asslt City Engi- : :::::: I neer Thornton, Robert A. Johnston, Engineering Dept., i *::'I ': : and Building Inspector Osburn. I :;;::I 4 ;;I;#' I4 I I I 1 ;;::;: ! APPitOVAL OF MINUTES: 'I I I I" McCarthy i / x: : i I I ! Grant :xi !x i ; I (a) Minutes of the adjourned meeting of September ; Sutherland : : ; x! ; / i 3, 1964, were approved as submitted. i Lamb : : !x: : I1 , I :EdcCorras I :x: x; i i I I jpreistadt I I i XI ; : I I ;Is I1 I (b) Minutes of the regular meeting of September 8, ilffcCarttry ; !x i ,;I::: ! 1964, were approved as corrected. :Grant I :x; :x; ; i I I $utl.,erland i : ix ! i : I : Laab ; : :x; ; ; I I iMcCornas : ixixi ; : I :Freistadt I i :x; ; I' ; I I I I::::: I ,;*I' I- I I I ::;::: !;':;: I *,, 8, .S ', '8 '8 I I Minutes of: PLANI?RNG COMMISSION Time of Meetiag: 7: 30 P. M, I 's, \.,& '* 't8> '& sg 8 98,@\+@ 8 I I I I :l I I I 4 I : W LUTTEN CGMMUMCATIGNS: !Letter from Claud R. Heiton, 2829 State St. and petition ;;!;:! :signed by the following: I I :::;:: :Mrs. Joan C. ktounds, 1144 Pine Ave. , Carlsbad !Mrs. ituth A. Bondy, 1150 Pine Ave, , Carlskad I I i!;:ii lMortimer W. Bondy, 1150 Pine Ave. , Carlsbad I I 1:::;: :Louis W. Goehring, Judge Advocate-Vet. Foreign V% ars ;I;':: ;;I:l' :Church of Christ by John Allan McKaig, 1080 Oak Ave. I ;;::i; :Dale F. Ginn, Co-owner of property on Pi0 Pic0 at Chestnb. ;:::;; :Buneva C. Ginn I1 II 11 I1 It 8 I ;;:#I' iEarl McPherson by Max C. Ewald *II;I; I I ;::;:; :regarding the development of property along Pi0 Pic0 Dr. I' 1:::;: :south of Elm Ave. for a higher use. I :;!::: I I ::'I:: :The Commission : discussed having this matter considered i;;;:: :by citizens committees and how much the widening of the i .:::;:I I::;:; 3reeway will cut into the area. I 1 ::; lII~i! I I :::I:( :Chairman Sutherland stated that he felt this should be con- i I::::: :sidered by the citizens committees and explained the 7 i ;: 11'; broposed citizens committees which will be studying in- : Fividual facets of the Master Plan. I I I' !Ma. BONDY stated that he has been working on this for 12; 1;;::: I' pears and he had a talk with Mr. Ken Norwood and he felt : $here should be houses there. Mr. Bondy stated that he : it:::;; *;I lEelt this was no place for houses and asked that they appoint ::I:;: & committee to study this as he felt they have had tremend-i ;:/I; bus opposition to any development on Pi0 Pic0 Dr, There ; ;It ;:;:'I 5s a lot of traffic there and the 4 gas stations receive about i 11: 30% of their business from Freeway traffic, and Carlsbad : jshould capitalize on this traffic. He stated that he had I ::::;; bothing specific in mind for the development except to brini ;:::I: beople to Carlsbad. bRAL COMMUNICATIONS: !There were no oral communications. :OLD BUSINESS: I I I I I (*I I I I I ;: iii: I ;:::;: I ::::;; I I ;;:::: i:::q I::!!: ;I:::: I:::!; I :;:; I I ii' ;; '*::I I I :;;:I: I- - I I 'lb:!: I I ii' 0' I !:;I;@ I ::a: I I I I I I I I I I I I e I (a) Industrial Zoning. I I :The Chairman requested that ahis be struck from the agendk. Commissioner Lamb pointed out that he had made 8ome i !studies of the Anaheim C and M zones. 'I D I b I I I I B I I D I I I I I I I I ! 0 I 0 I I I I 1 '8 8'. **. I I 0 I 0 I I I 0 I I -2- I 0 !Report. 1 :Secretary Grant read a memorandum from Robert A. John; Iston, Engineering Department regarding entrance gates in i :other cities. He reported that Oceanside, San Diego, IEscondido, Laguna Beach, Newport Beach and Orange :County did not have any policies or ordinances on entrance : tl:lll :gates to subdivisions and are handled as a part of a subdivi; :::::: :sion. He also reported that the City did not have adequate j @*I &I I :personnel at the present tine to maintain the plantings at ; :entrance gates. I I i:::;, I: ! I *;!!I1 I I I I 4 :;:::: ::;::; :;a:;: 1;::;: I I 11 :When questioned as to the responsibility of the City, the : :City Attorney stated that the City would be covered by an i :insurance carrier if anyone was injured on the property I belonging to the City. I I !Mr. Thornton stated that it would not increase the inauran& !fee, but would create a problem of maintenance. The sub-: :divider was required to put in the fence in lieu of street : iimprovemuts. The Engineering Department requires that i :a subdivider improve to full standards, curb and gutter, : !and paving to the center of the street. This subdi..<der has: :opposed this on Chestnut Avenue because he has through : !lots, and will be putting in these improvements on the frontj :of these lots. 0 I !EDWARD HUMMEL, Chairman of the Parks and Recrea- i jtion Commission, reported that the Commission has in- i :spected this site and felt the maintenance of the landscap- : iing was feasible and it is ahbdy landscaped. The Commisb :sion ruled by a majority vote of 5 out of 7 that the City : :should accept the entrance gates at Chestnut Heights, how-: :ever, he did not realize the gates were taken into consid- : Ieration. He stated that he felt that DMJM should consider i. :this also and the City might be able to work something out ' ;in the next 3 years to be able to handle the maintenance of i :these entrances. :After considerable discussion, a motion was made to send { !a memorandum to the Council stating that although the I I :Entrance Gates to Chestnut Heights Subdivision are of ac- i jceptable design, nevertheless, accepting the entrance gateg :as City property would additionally burden the maintenance: :and park crews when they are not now able to handle all ; tnecessary work, that it would iucrease the City's possible . :liability for accidents or negligence occuring at or around ; :the gates, and that accepting and maintaining the gates I 'yould nor benefit Carlsbad Citizensas awhole but merely : :those living in and around the subdivision since the above I !stated reasons apply equally to all offers to deed entrance ; gates to the City for upkeep, the Commission recommends i $hat our present entrance gate policy be revoked. This : hemor mdum is not meant to indicate opposition to parks YcCarthy sn general or even the acceptance of sutiable entrance Grant gates under proper circumstances, but only to indicate thaautherland pe believe, under present circumstances, the presently Lamb kxisting policy is not working for the benefit of all citizens VcComas (,f Carlsbad. Freistadt heported that they had had two meetings with respresenta-' gives from Oceanside. At the last meeting he, Dr. Palma-4 Feer, Robert A. Johnston, Engineering Department from i Carlsbad had met with Ernest Taylor, Ass't City Manager, : Lawrence Bagley, Planning Director; Alton Ruden, City bngineer, and Bill Jones, Chairman of the Planning Corn-. i bission from Oceanside, and the two cities are both inter- ; Ested in the future of the lagoon. It could become an un- : pesirable situation and he felt the cities should offer as- i Distance to property owners to solve the problem . He i bad prepared a rough draft of a proposed resolution to I I 0 I I 0 * 8, I I I I I 8 0 I I I I I I I 0 (c) BUENA VISTA LAGOON - Commissioner Lamb: ? ! - .- I 0 I I I I I I * I - 3- t ~' - * \' * i Name \\ I : of I : Member ;"""""""""""""""""""-""""""""""""""""""'"""""-. !serve as a starting point for study and additions, deletions ! ;and corrections could be made to it. He hoped that with i lmany modifications, it would serve as a basis for further : !discussion at their next meeting. !Mr. Thornton questioned the use of supplementary water :from other sources. He suggested hinging in surplus : )2olorado water or pumping water in from the ocean, or i :the use of affluents, by reclaiming water, He pointed out : Ithat there is good reclaimed sewage water going into Walen Lake in San Luis Rey Basin and he felt the idea of i ithe above available water sources should be considered. i !After further discussion it was agreed that the committees :should meet for further study sessions before meeting I I !with the Oceanside and Carlsbad Planning Commissions or i jthe property owners; and that the rough draft of the pro- : :posed resolution be sent to Oceanside with a letter of !transmittal. I I :Commissioners Sutherland and McCarthy will work on this ! !committee during Dr. Palmateer's absence. t I !NEW BUSINESS I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I t I I I * I I I 8 I I I (a) Proposed resolution regarding an amendment i :to Ordinance No. 9060 to require dedication of necessary : :right of way and easements upon granting request for re- ; !zone. I I !The Secretary read the proposed resolution. !The City Attorney explained that this was prepared at the :City Manager's suggestion for presentation to the Commis< Ision. I I !Mr. Thornton stated that the Engineering Department has [ :had a problem for the past six years on the traffic created ; !by the intense use of property after it is rezoned. Without i !a precise plan the greatest problem is in the commercial ; :area where you are allowkd-to build to the property line. ! :He stated that he would like to see slope and fill embank- ; !ant easements added to this resolution. This ordinance I jwould not only apply to every street in town, as it would :apply to limited areas where you have a lot of traffic and : !limited right of way. It would cut down on the necessity of! :obtaining rights of way in the future which can be very i jcostly to the City. I I !Also discussed was the fact that some cities require that ! :before obtaining a building permit in R-3 and commercial jzones that they check with the Engineering Dept. regarding: :street dedication, rights of way and street improvements. i !The Building Inspector will not give a final release until : :the Engineering Dept. has said these things have been done; :After further discussion the Chairman irs tructed the City :Attorney to obtain ordinances of Los Angeles and other : :cities regarding this matter. I * !Citizens Committees. The Chairman stated that he had writ: iten a letter to the Council to send with the names of the ci-: :tizens for the seven committees on the Master Plan of the :City and asked the commission to look at the rough draft of: $ he letter. !The City Manager stated that Mr. Norwood would be in the !City Thursday, Sept, 24, from 10: 30 on and would have pres :liminary drafts of the General Plan for the Commission and !committees toleview. The City Manager stated that he I jwould see that each Commissioner received these reports ; ;as soon as possible. ! * t I I I I 1 I I * I I I I I I I I I I I I I 8 I I I I I I I I I * * 4 I I 4 I I I I .- I , *,,e ''. I I I I I I I \, \.,'.., '\, 'S,'', I I I I I ", '' ', ""."*, t I Na me *" "+ '\,?\ I : of '*&j+ ,* ; I : Member ,?$$*e +,#* dt: 0 I -4- ', '' ', *, ', 8. a ;"""""""""""""""""-""""""""""""""""""""~""""""-""- "","" IJ :The City Manager pointed out that the contract with the ; *:::I; (:State does not state how many work session you can have. i'' iiiii! : The time element is June, 1965. He stated that he felt fhe: iii::; !committees were excellent idea. The State is concerned ::;I;* with seeing that the planning consultants live up to the I I e:;::: I::::: ;contract with the State and to the satisfaction of the City. 1 ::I:;: I I;:::: !Zoning for South Carlsbad Annexation 2.5. The City At- ! ;: :@I; jtorney asked the Commission if th ey wished to impose i (0 :new zoning on this property. I ii:::: I 'I:;II I :::;:I i The City Manager explained that the Council has accepted :! 1. . .. :::::; jlO.8 acres of land to the City which has not been zoned. Hb :x:!; '*#,II :asked if the Commision wished to wait for the property ! ;:::I; :owners to petition for a zone or if the Commission wished 1 I:;I:* :to initiate a resolution of intention to do this. He explained i:;;:; !that prior commissions have initiated the zoning. He ex- i #I:;:* ii:;ii :plained that it was up to the Commission's discrepancy to ; II:lI8 ' ,'I; I ;:I:Il : zoned R-1-6 or 10, it would not put the existing businesses! ;;;;;; ! out of business as they would have a certain number of ir,- --. . +*-. ::I:;, '1; !years to operate as a nonconforming use. If this property i !:::I: I;;l:I ;is zoned C-M, they would not be permitted to build more i;;::i :homes in this area. He suggested having a policy for I ;I:;:: !newly annexed property for future annexations. Oceanside ;::I;( :has a prezoning conference before annexing. DMJW is ; 1::::: ::I:;: !not in favor of this prezoning. He asked that the Commis-i i::;;: jsion not make any decision at this meeting, but consider : ::I::: :this within the next 2 or 3 meetings and then hold a public i 'I:;;; ! hearing .for zoning this annexation and to adopt a policy on : ::::I: :;:I:I :future annexations, I :;;:': I I I :;:ii: I@ ICommisLioners McCarthy and McComas stated that they ; '*!:I; jwould not be in the City for the meeting of October 13, 1964 I:,;:; I ;I!!;; I I ;: Ii:;: !ADJOURNMENT !By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 9:50 P. M. i 1'::;: I' I I ;::::: I I :i1:;: 9,:::: I I ::;I j:;;l; I ;::;:; t I ::'#;I I ;:i::i I I I:;+ I I I I:!::; b I ii;:;: I I !::!:; I ;::::I I I 8';::: I I ::;::a I I I :::::I I I :-::: I I I i::::: ,:::I; I ::i:i; I ;:;:;: I I I :!:::I I I i;;:': I 1:: I l a I ii;::: 1:;: I I I I-:;: * I Iii;:; I ;;x;:; I I I ;;/I* ;:;: I I :; ;::: t ;;:::i I I ;I:::: I I ;::;:; I I I ;::;:; I ;::;:: l I I ;::;:; I I a 4-1:; ;::;Il I I ;::;:; 1::::; I I I I I zone this and it is easier to zone it at its highest. If I I) 8' I I I I I I I I I I!;:;: i::::: I Respectfully submitted, I I I I I I I i DOROTHY SOUSA Recording Secretary I I ;*I I; ,I,',; I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I#* * I : I I I I I t I I I I I I I I I I ::; I 1 ;*I I l')l*l I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1: I I I I I I I I I b 'I l I I I I I ! ! !!@a!b