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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1965-08-03; Planning Commission; MinutesI I =*8~*-~ I CITY OF CARLSBAD I 88 *8 ","., % 8 '8 *','*\ 8, ', '\ I I PIANNINC. COM!ISSION (Ad journbd I Minutes of: ; Date of Meeting: August 3, 1965 Eegular Nectjn#bme' 88 8,s,cr 8"& '\8 d!$ '&I ! : Time of Meeting: 7:30 P.M. i of .~J@,.'.&+ ; 6 Member @@.+@ 88 1 :"""""""""""""- I I :::!:I I '8 '\ '8 '\, ', '8 I I CiGy Eiigineers Office Place of I[eeti;ig-: """" ""_ """"_"""""" -""" 4 """"""""" -a- -,"-e ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioner hkmn, Pal-! mateer, Kccarthy, Sutherland, Lamb and flccomas. : ; Cownissioner Freistadt was absent. Also present i i were Planning Director Schoell. : There was a general discussion of the Revised i Preliminary Draft Report of Daniel, Mann Johnson : i and Mendenhall for the Master Plan for the City. I I I I I I I I I : ADJOURNMENT : ! 4 i By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at 10:20 :P.M. to Monday, August 9, 1965, at 7:30 P.M. in ; i the Council Chambers. f i Respectfully submitted , f I I I 1 6 I l I I I I I I I I a I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I f I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I : i I DISCUSSION HELD BY TBE CARLSBAD CITY PLANNING COMMISSION COMCERNIMG THE REVISED PRELIYIMARY DRAFT REPORT BY DANIEL, MANN, JOHNSON AND MENOENHALL AT THE ADJOURNED MEETING ON AUGUST 3..196fc Pa e 49 - Schools. The Planning Director reported talking to Mr. ihv Sm the Oceanside-Carlsbad Union High School District and stated that he will talk to the other superintendents when they return from their vacations. Page 53 - It was recommended that the City acqu'ire land for parks and that the City require a small area for joint use by the City and schools. Show park symbol on beaches on Plan. Page 50 - Carlsbad High School on Monroe Street. Pa e 53 - There was considerable discussion on parks and overnight camp ng and the visitor influence. Regional and Community Recreation Faciltties. Should be clarified on the map. Squires Dam was constructed in lieu of Mt. Hinton Reservoir. La Costa State Beach is now South Carlsbad Beach. Delete the remainder of the sentence after Beach. Should definitely have proposed park land on each lagoon shown. The next to the last paragraph should be written differently and Page 54 - Calaveras Lake. Should be a park located at Agua Hedionda Lagoon end of drainage cause. "- ..- should be set up clearly. The drawings need corrected. Page 55 - Needs clarification of whlch schools. Extension of grammar schools. Extension of high schools. There was discussion on the Ecke property along the beach being leased to the City for public use, and discussion on the mean high tide line, private beaches and adequate policing along the beaches. It should state Buena Vista Lagoon and Batiquitos Lagoons be made recreational areas. The Planning Director stated that he had checked with Frank DeVore of the San Diego Gas & Electric Co. regarding the power line ease- ments and there is an old dry arroya coming down from Calaveras Lake. The Planning Director stated it would be a terrific use for this area to have a park at Calaveras and have a green belt between both lagoons with hiking and riding paths there for green links and they could come down through the south side of Agua Hedionda Lagoon to the beach. Commissioner Lamb stated that La Casta is keen to have riding and hiking paths to the ocean. MRS. BETTY WOLLRICH from the Parks and Recreation Commission stated that Mr. Kelly has verbally agreed to give 140' access to LaYe Calaveras. He is amiable to give this for a park area as long as it does not interfere with any proposed subdivisions. She stated that Mr. Rombotis offered to lease some property for an amphi- theater to the City and she believed they could get a green belt to El Camino Real through the Eosp Grove. She stated that 1. . h I 8 *8 <'8 8 ' I I \\ 8, t, '\ '. 8* I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I * 8 '8 '\ '8 I ", '8, '8 \ " ', 8, '8 '88 '8,", 1 I -2- i Na me '8, '& '\, "& I : of : she thought the City should also have the original Calaveris ~"~"""""""""-"""""""""~".""""""""""""-"""~""""""-""- "","" 1 Lake School for a park area on the Frazee property back : of the old City dump. I I ::::;; I1 : Pa e 56. Delete Private Beach should be left alone - 12 i i acres s uld be removed. There should be a policy that { : the City acquire access to any private beach. The Corn- : i mission agreed the City should have City Controlled I Beach Park on both sides of the Harbor jetties and the ; I City should acquire further beach parks. '..$'t& ', 9% : I I 8$!!4$?8,4,$$&, i ::::i: ::I;:: I !:::I: + 1;:;;; !;:;;: ;':::I ;x::: I I I:::,: :::::; ::~t;l I I I :;!;:: : Member ',o 9 .,e+ 'Q .q 1: I( I I I 1 I Il.111 I i Harbor Beach Park, should be City Beach Park and the i i City should acquire beach property. The proposed Im- : : provements should read "Deepen Agua Hedionda beach on I i both sidasof new breakwater at new harbor entrance and : : add parking. I ! The Senior Citizen Park should be deleted. I I I I I I I I 1 I I The sub-total of acre areas should be changed. I I I I I I a I I I 1 I I : &otary Par1 not mentioned. : --commercial concessions ! The Planning Director recommended that the City have a ! i policy that they acquire access to any private beach as : : beaches should belong to the people. Be stated that he wai I l b I - thinking of places to walk on public beaches, There was discussion of having lifeguards; Cregon's fine i ; beaches being owned by the State; that Economics point : ! out that private beaches will be high rise eventually. I I t I f I b I I I I Commission decided there is adequate public beach in i Carlsbad and small amount of private beach should not be : : disturbed and should be retained privately. I ! Mi3,S. KOLLdICa stated the State will not allow visitors i i at South Carlsbad Beach without paying and the St ate has : : announced they will not allow the public to use the beach without paying 50 cents per person for us ing the beach per: day and she felt this was another reason the City should t I I I i have a public beach. I I I I I I I I I Mr. Thornton called attention to the 3500 to 4000 feet : from Poinsettia Subdivision to South Carlsbad Beach owned ; by Mr. Ecke on the beach side which is the last large are& ! ofprivately owned beach property. I : There was further discussion on State, County and City i controlled beaches, and the development of the property : : in back of the Twin Inns for a park. b I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I i Pa e 57. Fuena Vista Lagoon Park and Euena Vista ; quatlc ark should be shown on DMJM report map. i The Planning Director reported they have a committee i working on the Buena Vista Lagoon. and they are working ; i Page 58. Buena Vista Aquatic Park and Hosp Grove Park i I should be shown on DMJM i3tport Map. I ! Pa e 59. Terramar #4. Should read: Public beach, picnic ; "-a- par an parkingnorthand south of New Harbor entrance i ! extend to Terramar and South of Terramar..:..' ' . .. ';. I , I. - . :Atid Study area .#,'7. C,+lavexas,.. Exisking Cpn&tiont ..+cant I typLa4e Pack, See Page 54, acres? I * I on the recommendation now mentioned on page 58. I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I 1 I f I I 1 ! I I I I * I I I I I I I 1 I I I t I I I 1 t I I I 1 I I I I I *' I ', ", 't *8 ", I I I '' I 1 "1 '*, '\ 88 '~~~8, I I " '\ '8, '., ""'8 I I I '8'. "& 'tS8 '.& I I I -3- ' a me '*8$'$, '8 '&,, I I of *,L\O\\g\ I Add Study area K8, Squires Dam, South side Daw- 8 ::; I1 :::::I I Study area #6, should read: Beach area for picnic, I ;I:::: "1 I 4:;q !:::;; :l;l;l 61 I I I I Member O'+ 8$j@8.e J.@$,: :"--J ~""""""""~"""""-""""-"~"""""""""""""""""~;"""-"-"~----- "" son Park, Existiug Condition - Primitive - should be kept i i::!:: ; primitive. I I ,:::I; 11 I I I I I 11 1 fire rings and parking. Cmit "no permanent structures i i and on short term revocable permission. 1 ;*I:;: i South #5, it was agreed the City should acquire property i i for a municipal golf course. There was considerable dis- I :::::; : cussion on the location for a golf course. It was pointed ; 1::::: out that DMJM had considered putting it under the power i l:;a*l : wires. Las Encinas Canyon was suggested as a possible f : felt this would not be suitable for residential homes. I I :;::;: ! The Planning Director stated he felt this could possibly :i;;;; i be a good location for Planned unit developmznt using low i ::;:;I ; land for open space. I i!:;;; I t8:a I ! The Ecke property along the beach was also suggested fori I a good location for a municipal golf course. Discuss lo- : cation with DMJM. ; MAS. WOLLRICkI reported that the Dawson's have given : (11 i 50s acres of property at LOS MOIIOS to usc for use as a i !wilderness area to be checked for archeological studies ; ;:;;:: : as this is a rugged, untouched primitive area. Mrs. Wol-i ::i:;: I lrich stated that she feltAharwshbuld be City owned open : :::::: ; land next to this property. I i:::;; I I 4::;; i Also discussed was the future of Squires Dam at Mt. Bin- i i:p;; I ton which is owned by the Carlsbad Municipal Water Dis- I :i;i:: ::*I:: : trict and that Los Monos is not listed in the report. I 1 ;:::;: I ::;::: :;;:I: i-0 tne list. f;;::: ;;I1#: I :ii; I Agua Hedionda lagoon I ::,I I ;41; 6 Hosp Grove I ;:I::; I Mt. Hinton Area 1 4:::; I @ ::, It I * ::;I:: I1 & :::;:; I;:;:: It1 I,:,@ ments.. . I :::I:: I I :::::: Delete third paragraph starting "For example.. . . I ::;i:: 1 iI;;ii i Delete last sentence on page. :Spelling on page 64 should be corrected. Agua, Batiquitos, Hosp. I L ::::;i 11 ::: I I 111 ;#I:;* i site for a golf course, due to the low flood channel it was I ;;::;; ;I::;; I ;I::;; 1 I 11 I I I ;;I::' :I:: iiiiii I i:/It I I ;:'::: ll:ll; 4:::: ::ii:: I I I I :;I::: I#( I I I I I Pa e 60. Q en Space Preservation in the Carlsbad Plan- .*&E Co. Power Lines right of way should I I I I I I I I I I Fa e 6 1. Second paragraph should read "local neighbor- : 00 par s, open spaces of planned community develop- : 11 I I I I I I I I I :lllll 8 tll:8: I 1::;;1 I I:;:;, I I I;::;; ;:*:;: ::ii:: I i;:*:; I 1:;:;f I I i::::: 1::::: ::;::: I I 1::::: ;;@I :mission took 10 minutes to adopt Carlsbad's recornmenda-: @Il$8: i tions for zoning property in the County Southeast of Carls- i ::;I:, :bad. They adopted 22 of 24 recommendations made by the :4;:: i City. I :::::: I :::::; I 1;;1;1 I I ;;I;#; I I 1 :;::I: ;*;;I: I ;::::; I :i:::: I @I:;:; I :;:;;; 6 I !!:;;: t .I:!:: 1 -1 I I I :::;i: ;:::I; I I I I I I I I I Ill 4: The Planning Director reported that representatives from staff to discuss the harbor. :DMJM would be down on Friday morning to mzct with the i The Planning Director stated that he felt the City should I :annex property around Palomar Airport and west to the i :'I;#: i City. I I I I I :#I:!: ::;I l;;!:l 8: The Planning Director rewedthat the County Planning Co4- 81 8 I i I I I I I I I I I I I I 8 I I I I I I I I I I !