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Home My WebLink About1966-04-22; Planning Commission; Minutesrc- - I I : '\ '\ ", '8 '\ *', I 1 CITY OF CARLSBAD i i+linutes of: PLANNING COI.I114ISSIOiJ 8 I I ', ",'"' 8, '\ '\ : Date of blleeting: April 22,. 1966, (Rsgul ar i Name"' "$8 " ',, "&' .6 i Time of Aeeting: 2:OO P.1-1. Adjourned dcetijng) of 'y4 ,,&.O, 04, \0'8 2. '/' .by : :""""""""" Place of idegting: ""_ """"""""-""""""""""""""""~""""""""" Council Chambers 1 Member *$$@..F@&, ""3"" &+ @ : I :;;I:: ::::I: 11 i ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners Suther- i : land, Smith, Palmateer, i4cComas and Lamb. I :::#:I :I:!:: Coimissioners PlcCarthy and Freistadt were absent.: :;:::I : Also present was Planning Director Schoell. I I ii:;i: I I(I((1 I Chairman McComas explained this nieeting was for 1 :;::I: ;I::;; i the purpose of discussing the Small Craft Harbor i ;:::I; i report for the Agua tiedionda Lagoon. 1;;;:1 I :::I:: I i:;:;: I Secretary Palmateer read a memorandum from 1J.M. 1:;:;: : Rogers, 2465 Jefferson St., Carlsbad, dated 4- I ::1:11 ;4;;: : 22-66, asking the following questions re: DMJF4 ; I Harbor Report: Who will do the necessary dredg- : I,:;:: i ing to maintain both harbor and plant requiremen&? :;;I:: 'Ill;; : Did Di:iJiiO have any instructions to omit the SDG&E i :::I;: i from the district? !ilhat chance is there to pass : ::;I I ;;I::: I a bond issue with the SDG&E excluded? His pre- i I;!:;: i diction was none. Since the reluctance of the : :;I::: ; SDG&E to be included is because of the possible : ::::;: i tax burden, why could not this be compensated fo4 i!;:;: : by a rental of the water area for a sum approxi- : :;::;: mately equal to their estimated taxes less their I i:;l:: 811 i fair share of the dredging burden, thus removing : ;::I:: : the ground of their exclusion? Did OMJM give : 1:;::: i any consideration to the Harbor Committee reports:, i:;!:: : majority and minority? Hok~ is the water line bod- :;,:;; :;:;I: i der on the south side to be policed? In view of: :;pi: : the atomic energy plants being constructed at ::Ill* i San Clernente and South San Diego, is the elimin- : :::;,; i:;;:l '1;: : ation of the south shore justified, and what I arrangements wi 11 SDG&E make for conditional use ! : in the maantime? : The Planning Director stated that the Harbor re- i ldlll; port differs from the General Plan in that the : II ((I i report on the Harbor is more technical. The mat4r- ::il;: : ial he could discuss is the actual planning aspedts I:# 18 :;;I:: i and the practicability and feasibility outlined i i;;:;: '(I 11' : in the report. He stated he would 1 i ke to talk I I;@;:: i with ?lr. Paul Neal and discuss DHJi4's reasoning ; :::::I ; for some of the densities they've shown surround: ;::::: i ing the harbor. ,I::#; I I I ;;;:I; I I ;llll* i There was discussion on holding a joint meeting i ;;:::I ;;;:I: I for the presentation and having the discussion 1::::: i period at a later date. Also discussed were the I ::;i:: I boundaries of the proposed district and the I 1 :;:e:: 81' : exclusion of the SDG&E Co. from the district; I 1;;;:: I the change in council members since the employ- ::;::: : rnent of Di!J1\1. I:;:;: 1;:::: i F4R. DeVORE stated that it was the assumption abojt ;*181; ;;;::; i 3 years ago they would be excluded. The SDG&E a i Co. would not object to the harbor district bein4 iiiiii : formed, however, there would be no benefit to th8 i::i:! : power company. The Company would not keep the l;;l:l i City from forming a district but felt that if I I;;:;: : all of the rate payers in the service area. He I i stated they had cooperated with the City in I good faith. I ''8 '8 I , 8'' '" \ '8 I I ', '. ' '' ', '\ I I I I I I I I 1 I 11 I1 11 11 11 I ;::::i I I;:::; I b ;::ba 1 ;::!:I ;:;;:; 11*1(1 + I @I I I 1 I I I ii:iIi they were included in the district it would affedt ;; I ::I:;: I I I I ::;I;: I 'll11; ::I:;: ;::;I; GENERAL ROGERS stated that he was chairman of thd I Citizens Committee for the study of the Harbor, ; :;;:;: : and they felt thcre wogld bt3 no chance of" passinq ;~l:l; i a bond issue if the Gas Company or any others arq ::::I; : excluded, however something should be worked out i ib~::: )I((() *I @I 8 I b I :;I::; 18:; I I I I ::::* 1:;;:: I I 1 I I I :;'It: 1 I I :;I::: I b I ;:ip: 1 I ,@I8:: $!?l!l I :for a waiver of the taxes. He questioned Ilr. IDeVore on whether the City would do the dredging ;or if it would be done jointly. iJr. DeVore stated that the lagoon or harbor would I :fill up and there was no way out; except to dredge !it; that the size of the opening is important. :They are concerned with this being kept open for :cooling the water.+If closed they would pump the: :lagoon dry within h urs. The Company is will-: iing to donate theyh$t&$ area for a harbor and thej ;felt this was a good community effort. The Corn- : fpany plans to build on the south shore of the I :lagoon. They purchased property at Sorrento fori :a power plant in the future. iGEI.4. ROGERS questioned why they shoulId be excluded !if they are compensated. ii5R. KELLY stated that no one in the back country lis going to want to join the district. They would :be less likely to want to join the district now i :than they were before when the Carlana Harbor !District was being considered, since taxes are soi !much higher now. !GEPl. ROGERS pointed out that the City could condedn :the property by eminent domain, but felt the people !will not vote for this if 1/3 of the area is left: :out. He suggested setting a limit of 5 cents tax! :to get a toe hold to start with. I ! I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 4 I * I I I !The Commission discussed the harbor being self isupporting and the boundaries of the district; :they questioned La Costa being included in the jdistrict; that the report indicated the City does :not have enought financial support; that Carlana !Harbor District was not mentioned in the report; :that Oceanside Harbor district just includes the :City of Oceanside; that the Harbor at Dana Point !would help this area; and the possibility of a iconrt~ittee of city officials and citizens being :formed after the presentation to decide how to :proceed. I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I 1 * I I I I I 8 I I I I I I I I ! r -% * I 4 \, '. , .' I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 8, ',, '\,",, '\, b" '\,", I '*, '. '\ ', ',,> I I -3- i N a me ', '?&, '\, \$I, I I : of .?qhq ,$$\ I I I :11814 19 ;:/;I8 :::;:I :::;:: :::::: I , *' ',, ', ' ' I , '. '* t I '\S '$$.', ', \*', : Member \$@,$\e%. 1 .................................................. "","" i the Carlana Harbor District because there were : : no benefits to the Company. The law states you ::'::; : do not have to be included if there are no bene- : I fits derived. They would object to the Encina I ; property being taxed. He pointed out that even [iij:: 1:l i if the Encina property is excluded from the dis- i trict they would still be the largest individual : :::I:: : paying taxpayer in the City because of their I ::;::: i distribution lines, etc. I Other points discussed by the Commission were : that Dt.1Ji;i has done a good job on the economic I I :I::;: 11 i feasibility report of the harbor; that the City i ::::;: i could never get State or Federal aid without the : ii:::: : engineering done by the Army Corps of Engineers; I I that the legal problems could be settled by the : : attorneys; that the Commission were not technicalpy :: #)I trained to make a decision on the engineering I 1 i:h;l I : aspects of the report; the date of the meeting I :/:': for the presentation and that this presentation i ,:;:I It i should he publicized. l:l* I The Commission agreed that the meeting for the ! 1 ;#:I : harbor presentation should be held Thursday, i Flay 19, 1966, at dagnolia School and that it ; should be publicized. 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I I ;:i:;: i Respectfully submitted, I I I I I I I l;@l:l :@I I : Recording Secretary e t , ;: I I I I I I I I I I 111 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 61 I I I I I I 111111 I I I I I I I I I I I