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Home My WebLink About1966-05-12; Planning Commission; Minutesr - I I ', \\ ', - ' . I I '., ', "\ " '\ ' I I CITY OF CARLSSAD I ', '\,'.' ', '"\ I i Minutes of: Fi~5,F\1F;r 1:;s C91.1i{i 2s Itj,j'$ (i;egul a< '\ ', \\ '' ', '' i Date of ?*leetins: by 12, 1965 Adjcurndd Name '\, ',*, ', 'd '\ %%, i : Time of Eeeting: 7:30 P. 14. rglpef;j nrJ of '..@" ' ,*, I +d%\+ .t" ; i,,Fla~e_,of,lite~~~-~~~ _-____ J_c~f~rxax-_St-.--~-:fi3~~--CBf~.tn~i~mbe! _____--______: '(1 ____ 11 .$9@,5&0 '4,; I I ::1:1* i ROLL CALL was answered by Commissioners Smith, i :;;::: i hIcCornas, Freistadt and Little. Commissioners I :::I;: Sutherland, Palmateer and i4cCarthy were absent. : ;;I:+ :*I:;: i Also present were Planning Director Schoell , and i :;::;; : &uildirlg Inspector Osburn. 4 I ::: ItI:;; i Chairman f4cComas announced that this meeting was i &1;;:8 ::;I:: i for the purpose of bringing information of the : ::;I;: : feasibility study of the Carlsbad Small Craft : ;&I Ill ;I1 1,::; i Harbor of the Agua Hedionda Lagoon and introduced :;i;;: : Ilr. Paul Zeal, Planning Project Planager; Hr. Joe ; :'ll:: i Brown, Chief Engineer; and Mr. Lawrence l:rilliams; ;;:;I: I Chief Economist; of Daniel, Mann, Johnson and : ::; ::: I ::'::: i I4endenhall. I I :$:: I I ::i;;: iilr. Meal described and explained the map of the I ::/I@ I proposed harbor and the land use and development: (:'::: i of the surrounding area. b ;1::1* I I I::#:: I I I I :::::: i i4r. Brown pointed out that the Agua Hedionda La- i 1:;::: i goon is one of the few places along the coast : :::i:: ; where a natural spot for a harbor exists. He I :;I:b@ i described the work and engineering going into i ::;::; I this study. I ;ol;~; I II)II@ I I I: 111 1 11:; 1:;4#1 I I ~ll:s@ I ing improvements and the cost of the jetties and : ::::ii : I dredging. 8 I I:::;: ! He explained that 500r) years ago nature formed :;:: i a stream there and then it became a marsh. Latevf ::I/: ;;:b@ : the enti re lagoon was filled with water. tlc ex- I-::: : plained the ocean surges. Recently a geographicalj ;::::; ::::;; : survey showed that as far north as Oregon, the : 1::::; bluffs imediately behind the beach are constant-! ly eroded by the ocean waves and currents. Some-: : times the sand or littoral drifts move south and I : at other times north. Hc explained that the na- ; i ter was relatively shallop! before the San Diego i i Gas & Electric Company had reason to take the : ; silt ar:d clay out and make it into a lagoon that i i has water of sufficient depth for their needs. : : tle beiieved the railroad trestle has been replac-! i ed a couple of times. He explained the bridges ; : over the railroad and 101 freeway. He stated that recently the most historical change in the I I development of the lagoon was the She1 ter Cove : i Subdivision. i Mr. Brown stated the Gas and Electric Company : i was a "God send" for this project as they needed : the water to cool the generating plants. This i I site is located where they can get quiet water : : and they had to do some unusual things to make i this work. The same natural elements that closed ; the lagoon originally would do it again unless i : it is kept open by dredging. The' facts indicate ; :::;:I : that 2.4 nlillion dollars were spent to increase l~IolI i the tide prism into a certain size that enables I 1:l : the lagoon mouth to open with a minimum amount i of dredging. Approximately every two years it is : \ 8 ', I I I I I ' '' I I I I I 18 I I 11 I I I I :;I::; I I @I @I( 10 I 18 I I I I ;i!$; I I 1. Geographical, topographical sources. I 1 tli:i: I 2. Sources of nature which are constantly ii::;: I ::;;;; 11 I 3. He briefly gave some ideas of the enginee$- ;::::; I ;:'I ,a::;; I I s I I in action and made this estuarine of the lagoon. i I I I I I I I I I I I I ;: 11: 1;::;1 i:: :;:i:: ;:;::: I ::p:: I 1 :::;:: 1 ::;:Il 8: I ;I:::; 8 I ::;::: I 8 ;:;:;: I I 1 I-:;: ::::!: 10 I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I r I I' I I \, '\ '8 '\ '. '\ I I ., ,,,'\, ', '\ '* k I \, ', \, '8 ', I -2" I ,\ st'\ I I b.$, '., 'qj. I \??@, ;;,;.> : ;:;I:: I I I \ \' I I S, \', 8 \' t I I I I : N3 of me "',$,$, 8, '9, I : Me rn her $8$'\pp *,d\ 1 :""""""""""""~"""-""""""""~"""""""""""""~~""""""""" "",""J i necessary to dredge the lagoon as the ocean changl :::::: I es some each year. It is important to know that I i::;:: : the ti des keep it open and when it is low tide i it is approximately 3.7 feet at low tide and be- : 1:: 1:: :::::: : txeen 4 and 5' when high. This substantial tide I I:::,: 11 8 i variation can be a problem. He explained this : i::::: : p.ian is being projected for 20 years from now. I ;::41 : have can navigate there and not get hung up on : @l:llt I I::::, I 11 It is important that the boats we have and will :;:iii I I I ::;;:: ::::;i Cost of Improvements. Plr. Brown discussed the I:;::: I cost of slips, slip protection and other matters : :$:I : and stated it is necessary to protect the R-T I :::I:: i property and other land use. They felt it is too: I::':: : costly to widen the Freeway bridge and relocate I :iiiii i the rai 1 road bridge at this time as the rail road i 881 ::: ::;:#I ;bridge still has a good economic life. The rail-; :::I:: road bridge would have to be raised and widened I ;l:118 for the boats to go through and would have to be : constructed with steel or concrete instead of i 1:: 11( I::::: i stloals. I I iiii'i I 11 118 ii::;: 1::: : timber. He referred to the cost of the out6r ::::;; i breakuater 'and'jetties ' and the' total cost. I I ;::I;; I I I ;:a1 I;:: ! Financing. Nr. blilliams, Chief Economist, discuss! I::::: i ed the financing of the proposed harbor and stat-: i:: ::i : ed he did not feel there is an urgent need for : ::::!I i a boat harbor at this time since Oceanside Harbor! 1:' 11:: : 7s not fill.ed up, however the boating population i 1:;; is increasing rapidly and he felt there would be : ::a l:;l i:::;; : need for the construction of the harbor for approb- 8:' I imately 500 boats in 1970, increasing this up to I : approximately 2100 boats in 1985. There are I I ::I I1 i approximately 250 acres within the project bound-: :::I:: : ary and 65% of the land is owned by the SDG&E Co.; :a 1:::;: I1 i He explained the Federal Government and State i : Government program for financing and that the t tL ::;: i money received from those leaving boats and the : I:!;:: I gross revenue would go toward the debt retirement! :::::: : on the hcrbor. $12,800,000. is the estimated I i::::: i cost c~f the development of the outer and middle $1::: : 1 agoon. 1 11 18 1::::: I I I ::I::: I Cost of Land Acquisition. He pointed out that thb 1:;::: L:;: iTiii7d is increasing in price at an enormous rate. : ::::I: : The City would need approximately $2,900,000. to i :::::: i buy the land and water area. The project can be : :::::I :8tal; I partially financed by the Army Corps of Engl- I :::I:; : neers , as harbors are not built along the Pacific; :I:::; Il::II I Coast without them. There would be a need for a ; ;:;;:: : State loan and local financing with revenue 8 :; I ;:::;: i bonds issued. I I :!::;: I I I:@ I: i_Srnall Craft Harbor District Boundaries. i4r. Wil-! *I::!; : riatns first recommendation would be to form a :i::;: :I:::: i Small Craft Harbor District. The proposed dis- : ::I;:: : trict boundary would include the Oceanside-Carls-i :#I I::::( 8: i bad Union School District, excluding that part : :;:::: I -in the City of Oceanside and the SDGGE Co. He I I::::; pointed cut that the Oceanside District just in- : !::::I *I; I cludes the area within the City limits. DMJY I I 1;::;: : suggested the district for Carlsbad be expanded ::;:;I i as they did not feet: there would be enough ::;::: : money in the City to support it, and those in : :4::1~ i the nearby area would be sharing in the benefi tsi I ;::::; 11;; : of the h?rbar. I :::;I; I 11 :: lliiii ;::: I ::i:;: 11) I I1 I Ill I' I I I I I 11 111 1 :!::I 1: I ::;i:: fi I !::;:I :::::; :;4: I I I I I 9 11 1 101 'I ~l:@l8 ::;:I: I ::I: l:!l!l r I I I I I I I I I I I 4 I I I""""""""- ,"- " " .* """"" .- " "" "" " I I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I -""" I I iMr. l.lilliams explained that once a district is :formed and they have a legal body to handle this .I i the revenue bonds would be issued. The district : :would be working with the Army Corps of Engineers! for the break waters and jetties. They recommend: :ed that the City apply for two loans; one from 1 ithe State of California for $5,246,000.00. The i :State has a liberal Small Craft Harbor Loan pro- : !gram for 30 year loans at low interest rates. The second source would be a 50 year loan with i :State and Federal aid using local revenue bonds. i This would require an experienced Harbor Slanager : ; to act on these matters, and they would need to i !seek professional assistance on legal financing I :matters. He discussed the acquisition of land jwi thin the area for the development of the harbor: i Councilman Jack Jardine questioned if the owner- : :ship ratio was the same per acre. I I hr. Williams stated he would give him that figure: I later. I !Councilman Carl H. fileiswender commented on the :amount of land in the outer lagoon of 24 acres. : !Mr. Hilliams called attention to Page 99 of the : report on the area required for acquisition in i : acres. !Tax Rate. Mr. Idilliams referred to Page 102 of i :the report and stated that the tax rate would be japproximately 68 cents per $100 assessed valuatioi : at the start and would be about 40 cents per hun- i i dred dollars assessed valuation until the 20th : :year. He pointed out that Oceanside has a good jloan and does not have to start paying until 20 i :years after the construction of the harbor. He : :stated the harbor would increase the land value i : around the harbor. I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I 1 4 I I I I I I ! I I I I I I I 1 I I I I Llr. Neal stated they had spent a great deal of i time and work with Mr. All an Kelly studying and i evaluating his proposed harbor plan, however when: considering the overall cost figures the DMJM i plan is the least costly and there would be many : ;benefits for the surrounding lands, and vrould I :increase the economic health of the entire : community. I 1 I I I I I ! I :The question was asked why they didinot study the! iBatiquitos Lagoon and Mr. ideal stated they have i ldata on the Batiquitos and San Elijo lagoons but : iwcre asked to make a study of the Agua Hedionda i :Lagoon. t I !The Chairman announced that this is an informatioi- !a1 presentation and inquired if there were any i :comments or questions from those present. 1 I !General U.W. Rogers questioned who told the SDG&E! :Co. they could be excluded. The district proposed /included llorth Carlsbad, but he felt they would ! :not vote for a harbor here. The people will won-: !der why the Gas and Electric Co. are left out. :His thought is that SDG&E should be allowed a ireasonable rebate of taxes of what they will get tout of the benefit of the harbor facilities, as ; I I I I I 1 I 8 I 1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 b I I : I I I I I I I I I I I I -4 ! I I tile AWy COi-pS of Engineers wi i i have to do the i dredging. If any new plants are put in, more $ 1 jldr2dging wil 1 be needed and the Company would :benefit from this. :Mr. Williams stated that Oceanside Harbor has a 1 I district with 620 boats and that is all as there : : is no room to expand except toward Camp Pendletonj i The Batiquitos Lagoon and San Eli jo were mention-! ed in the report, however private enterprise can-: not foot the bi 11 on ocean access harbors. They i i need to be subsidized by the County, State or ; Federal Government. If North Carlsbad is annexed: Ito Oceanside, it will change the district boundary. Gen. Rogers stated that if there is a $3,000,000.i : revenue bond and the Gas Company is not’included,i i he would not vote for it. The Gas Company owns I : the property, and he felt this could be taken by i :paramount right or emminent domain. iiizr. Neal stated that the boundaries of the distribt :are set up by State law. I I illr. F. P.. Kelly, El Camino Real, inquired if they: !felt $12,800,000. would build the outer and middle I area. :Mr. ljilliams stated that his advise was to take : :means to insure that the public is not allowed i junjust enrichment and cheated by the use of pri- : vate enterprise to open the outer lagoon. I I I I I I 1 I I I I I 1 I I t I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I ! i 1 agoon- and inqui red ~ about the Ci ty buying 1 and : back for cuts and fills. Jack Hall stated that he owns land near the inner: I I I I I I I I I I i f4r. !Ii 11 iams stated :would be paid. I I Hr. Brown presented i explained the water I that the fair market value an overlay of the map and and dredging. i Elr. Kelly inquired about the DMJM design and wk I the Army Corps of EngSneers require. I I I I I I I I I I I at I I I I iblr. Brown stated that in case of navigable waters: :it has to be approved by the State Lands Division; :of the State of California before building. The I i concept design does follow what the Army Corps of! i Engineers requires. The Corps has gained experi-: : ence on other harbors. Some changes will have to! !be made. He explained the slopes and drifts and : I depths. I I :Jack Hall questioned any new zoning and asked if Ithis would be discussed, and the Chairman stated : :that it would not be discussed. However, copies I !of the General Plan were available at the City i !Library and City Hall I I I I I I ! I I I ~i~lr. Neal explained this is not a zoning plan and :the General Plan is a suggested guideline, show- i jing low density, medium density and high density : I uses rather than referring to them as zones. Any! !zone changes would have to be initiated by the I :Planning Commission and recommended to the Council. I I I ! I I I I I I h A I I I I I' , \, 8 ' ' I I I \ '' I I '\ \,'\\ '\'\'. i 1 I -5- i N a me "t, 't&, ' '\, '&. i I I : of *$*\@, ','?+X, ; I i Member ',b \~$j,~~p$h',.l \o q?',+'i+ t i I :::;I; 1:: I '\, ', 8 ', '\,'*, I I ', \\,''\\ '\\ " '\ I f I ~"~""""""""""""""~"""""""""""""""""""""~l""""""""" ""7""- lie explained that the Freeway has replaced the i::1:1 :old 101 Highway, now known as Carlsbad Blvd., I 1 :I;;;; :which he felt khould be kept as a slow moving I :::I:: :street. The City should make the traffic flow i :;:::: :work the best for the community and not have the 3 ::;::: ltraffic fed into all of the residential areas. I :;;:;: :State Street and Carlsbad Boulevard will be local! :;:I:: :;I:#: :tourist streets. I I ::i:!: I I ::::;: !Mr. Kelly questioned the sewer line being only i I:::;: ;about 15', and the cost of raising the sewer line! al#;ll :::I:: I to the height of the bridge. All of the sewers I ii:::: 11 :are lower there and would require pump station i ;I:::; !lifts. There are several pumps along the line ! ::!::: ;::::: : that will be needed. I I ;;!:In Ill I ;: 8: l FRED i\JORHAiJ asked if they are going to raise the I 1:;:t I :;01:: I Freeway bridge when the new Freeway is bui 1 t. - I :;;: :l:ltl I ;:l;l@ 4:;;: 1) I ?vir. Brown stated that in a previous report from ithe Division of Highways they had indicated a I I:::;: : different elevation. I ::::I' I I ;:::;: I) :::I:: :l!R. ALLAN KELLY questioned the harbor having a I ::;:;: ! venturi opening and Plr. Erown stated that it is i I:, 11 :::i:: : designed in size to keep it open, and it is a I ::I::: partially self-cleaning opening although this did: ;:::I' I* ;not mean that it might not shoal and would need : fi1;;11 ;;I 1; ;dredging. I 1 ::I ;!:I I 8: I :I;::; i ADJOURNHEMT: I I ;l:~l~ 1 I ;::::: I I /;::: !By proper motion the meeting was adjourned at ,:,,I, i9:29 P. $4. to Friday, 14ay 20, 1366 at 5:30 P. N. i ::I::: :I:::; :in the Council Chambers to discuss R-T zoning l:ltll I ;1:;1* ! and Conditional Use Permits as proposed in the I 1::I:: I:;::: l new Zoning Ordinance submitted by DMJ1'-I. I I :;;::: I I :;::;: : Respectfully submitted, lll:;: I I ;:a:;: I 111 1;:;:: I I I:: ::; I I ;::::: I & I 0:::: ;:1:1; I I I 1('11 :::::; 1 I I I::::; 11:; I I I ;: ::i:;: I I I 14iII I I ;: ,4:i: I 1 I I ;;!:ii + I * ::;::: I I 1 I :;::Il ul; I I I I ii!Ii: I I I !ii!!! I t 1 :i:i;i I I :::;I: I I I :::::I :; I I :::I 1:; I I I I ;:;i;: I I llll; I :::;;; I I I ::;::I I l :IIl 8; I :::I;( I 1;;:;: 1 I :@#I lll;;: I 1;:l:; I ::;::, I I ;~l:l; I It;:;! I I I 84 I 11 I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I r 1 1 I1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I r I I I :#I ii!iI: 11 I I I i DOROTHY kl. OSSURid : Recording Secretary I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I I I I I I I :I I I I I I I I I I I I 1 1 I I I I I I 1 1: I I 1:;:;1 I I I I I I I I I I I I I I t I I I I I I I I I I I 1 I I!;:;; ! I 1 :i::;; I I I I I :!.I!#