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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1975-05-21; Planning Commission; Minutesb -. CITY OF' CARLSBAD MEETING OF: .CARLSBAD CITY PLANNING COMMISSION DATE : May 21 , 1975 (Adjourned Meeting) TIME: 6:OO P.M. PLACE: Council Chambers , CALL TO ORDER , ROLL CALL .. Commissioners Fikes, Jose, L'Heureux, Packard, Watson, Wrench Commissioner Dominguez SIGN ORDINANCE WORKSHOP Assistant Planning Director Bud Plender presented an introductiol of the reasons that went into developing a sign ordinance. Mr. Plender explained that after viewing the charts and perhaps some questions and answers concerning these, there may not be suffi- ent time.to get too far into the sign regulation revision exhibi itself. The .question was asked as to how much of the material from the previous sign ordinance had been used in this draft. Mr. Plender discussed the staff report with the Commission and stated he felt that ton.ight the.Commission should perhaps get in, freestanding signs. The comment was made by 'Commiss'ioner L' Heureux' that 2) under staff assumptions should perhaps read "Freestanding signs .are generally more detrimental to neighborin properties than attached signs." There was considerable dis- cussion as to what const.ituted a freestanding sign. Commissioner Packard egpressed the concern that even though'the report attempted to cover all types signs they.should consider the, fact. that new types of signs could be developed. .. . Under table 2. - types of signs - it was determined that the figure 660' for freeway-oriented signs was the footage: the State uses in considering freeway-oriented. .The Commissim felt that ' after this table was completed and approved that it should also contain a listing of the types.of signs prohibited, what are allowed, etc. for a handout available at the counter. It was felt that perhaps-the sketch could be a handout after approval, also. Commissioner Wrench felt the graphic was not complete enough because of all the names or types of signs shown on Table 2. However, Mr; Plender explained that many of those signs list ed fa1 1 under freestanding ,. monument or attached. Mr. Plender explained that in the revision;.staff was attempting to treat the C-1 Zone as a neighborhood' commercial , which may have been overlooked in the previous ordinance. It was agreed that the architecture of a building was many. times determined by the allowance Tor signs. The question was raised as to how you deal with large companies, particularly chain companies, where their signs are typically part of the archi- tecture. It was determined animated signs would not be allowed: ,Commissioner L'Heureux stated that there are many other types of I advertjsirlg structures. other than those mentioned in definitions . such as searchlights, etc, Where the revisions pertain to "material structures" the Commission wants this.deleted and merely state signs. Mr.. P1 ender will go back over the revision and make sure .it states exactly what the Commission wants said and they indicated they wanted the next draft as complete and concise as possible. Advertising Display and Advertising Structure can be eliminated in the definitions. Why the definition was limited to outdoor advertising purposes was talked about and whether or not any kind of regulation could be enforced controlling the signs in- """ -I .- ' - ."--"~.-~-..... C.," """. - """"**" * _,"_" ""< ."". . -. . .. - -'~.-~-.--"~-.--- --....- .-..e... ..... ... I-. ..""""" .,,., *..,_ "_",_._ .,_,.". __.._._... COMMISSIONERS Present Absent .. , CITY OF' CARLSBAD COMMISSIONERS ' Page 2 - Planning Commission Adjourned Meeting 5/21/75 side windows. It was determined that inside signs, even flashing could not be control'.led'. It was- felt that animated, flashing and rotating signs could all be listed under one definition; inasmuch as they are all prohibit ed . Under attached sign definition, this should read: An "attached sign" is any sign that is attached to Qr supported by a bu-ilding; attached signs incl.ude wall signs, projecting signs, suspended signs or any similarly 'attached sign. The Commisioners'discussed deleting bi 11 boards and simply statin off-premise advertising. Mr. Plender will check with the City Attorney on this, as it was felt that Mr. Biondo wanted billboard in the ordinance. Building frontage was discussed at length and several drawings were.made by Dick Osborne, Building Inspector, showing what was meant. It was felt there had to be some sort of control over per haps an intentionally-planned accordian style building front whic would double the lineal dimensions of the building walls along th street front. They talked about limiting the sign to those por- tions of the building parallel'ing the street front. ' A curve woul come under irregular or multi-sided building. It was decided tha this. should read parallel or ,closely parallel to the street. How this would affect malls was discussed. The definition of construction sign could perhaps. be included under construction sigtls in the general section. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 8:05 P.M. The next workshop meeting wil begin. under definition of signs and will start with. ".flashing * signs" on Page 2. -. *. .. . F \'