HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977-04-13; Planning Commission; MinutescAL;L TO OFUXR - The meeting was called to order at 7 : 04 P.M.
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7:06 P.M. <and Catmissioner Nelson arrived at 7:27 P.M.
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APPFOVAL OF "ES - The Minutes of- March 23, 1977 were ' approved with the follawing correction: The mtion made on Case No. GPA-46 was by 'Cclrranissioner Nelson instead of
Camissioner Jose.
2) A mtion was made to approve Resolution No. 1344. - :
(1) Case No. @A-47, ks Mudge for Financial Scene,. Inc. . . -st for approval of an anendrent to the Land Use
* Elkt of the General Plan fh N to PI on property
located at the-northsest iiltersection of Pas- Del
Norte and Camin0 Del Parque.
Assistant Planning Director Bud .Plmder opened the stAff . presentation by explaining that this item had been eontinnet
fr& a .previous Planning carmissian Hearing. because of a change in the request. OriginaUy, the arnication for this p$ject included a request for land use change fmn N (Neighborhood .Ccarmwcial) to FMH (Residential &dim High
Density) on the parcel directly south of the present
application. ~r. Plender indicated that staff is
'recoarmending deni.al of this request'. In addition to the
findings listed in the staff report, Mr. Plender stated
.that there is, a great deal of property in *e city near . the airprt ,.ideal for industrial. developent . Although
there is-exposure to the freeway, the s&ject pmperty is
located away fran the .freeway on and off ramp :and is mjre
. .related to the existing good. residential area.
Applicant. Mr. ' Rs Mudge, (Authorized Agent) . FGcial ' '
s-ted khat he has studied this. property for six mnths to
cam i.zp with a realistic ' look ,at the area. Major tenants
such as Safeway are not interested presently nor for fut& use. Mr,, -gels opj;nian is that there is a need f0r.a' . dl reighborhood comercia1 center and six acres would
be adequate for this. He feels the request to change to P . . . I zoning' is because tkis piece of .p&perty is up- . wind .from the sewer.plant and he disagrees with staff that
it is good residential land. He% said 'aimctly hta the north there is existing P I zoning so that this would not
be spot. zoning as stated. He%uld Like' to have the . industrm use open to the public provide storage
which' muld be used by Alta Mira property' ck~ners,' but he is not interested in being totally carmited to this
land use. It was pointed out'by &rs of the staff that this property can be sold and .the intent changed many times fm the intended use. Mr. Plender staked that
maybe there would be an amendmnt to the Master Plan that
would allw promy to be used as storage for the owners of Alta Mira, but the applicant had a reservation about this. If it doesn't work out he feels he wuld be locked ir
and it Would be wasted land. ,
. Scene Incorporated; 2505 Congress St., Sab Diego, -92110
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phming carmission Meeting
April 14, 1977
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""I.- A motion was made to deny this application based on the
findings and conditions in €he staff report dated April 13,
1977. Fksplution No. 1352.
(2) Case No. CI' 77-6/Pm 10, R. J. Bryan - -st for
. approval of a tract map for a -planned unit developWnt
* to provide a 12 lot, 11 dwelling*unit residential .
' develovt.
Mr. Bud Plender gave the staff presentation. Thirty feet along the south and west property lines has been reserved. for dedication 'and will be maintained by the hankowners at no cost to the City ard at a future date it'can be given; to the City at no charge. The subject property adjoins ..' another planned unit developnt which has a private street that will connect with subject property. The PUD takes.
advantage Of grouping units together to provide larger open
Spa& and provides a relatively private residential arear~e - buildings will be of Spaniqh mtif. , Bud Plender informed th coarmission that City Council is considering guidelines of ' energy and conservation measures, ind that there may be ' future ordinance anmdm~ts regarding energy conservation.
Mr. Ed Ebriqht,. 3135 cmnim Crest Drive, Oceanside, Californ Architect for the project, agreed with the staff report in requesting approval. He -showed slides of a dewlo-t that the subject property will be modeled after. While the landscaping plans and-the final drawings are not ccanplete, he plans to incomrate important conservation measures in the houses as w11 as the landscaping.
A motion was mde to approve this application with *&tion of the condition that energy and water savings G may be 'considered by the City Council-be applied at the tim of the building and based on the findings &XI &nditions. given in the staff report dated Apr5l 13, 1977. F&solution
No. 1354. .
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(3) . Case No. SP-I46 (C) /cup436 , Plaza North-Smta Anita Develornaent Comoration - mest for approval of a ". "_ L--~--- ~ ~ Conditional U& Permit for a *McDonald' s- fast-fd
restaurant, Spkcific Plan anendrent and approval .of
archit&tural elevationk for the McDonald's restaurct.
0. .. -. .. Mr. Bud Plen&r in givinq. the staff presentation reccmnnended
denial to thls request based on.traffic congestfon and .
*existing service .station and tk main entrance of tlie '
. sMpping center. . Adding .'a high' generator of traffic at .
this intersection would be a traffic hazard and would . unnecessarily 'cause problems to a major ccm&cial center. Mr. Plender stated t&t staff feels the site is too snall,
wd the vehicles parked -ut the service station Tuld. ' .
McDon&ld's traffic. He feels the semi* station &a
kuld be used incorkectly as an entrance because. of the
. difEiculty in using the main entlrance. Mr. Plender 'stated
that there ere sam mimr pr0blems'wit.h landkcaping and
parking lot layout.
Mr. Tim Flanagan, City mgineer, stated that much of the
traffic problem on El Camim €@a1 is with the narrm El
Canin0 Real. bridge and that Cal Trans has m funds presently nor plans for future exphion of the bridge.
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' prob1en-q at the location of the entrances. next to the .
. create additional problems with inccgning and outgoing
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pbnning carmission
April 13, 1977
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Mr. William W. Hughes, Jr., 363 San Miguzl Drive, Newport
Beach, California 92660, applicant, expressed the view that
his firm developed a good shopping center and .the original' - '
plan that was approved when they cane in had numerous traffic
for "dd's is mch better than the original @proved plan. problems which they 'have resolved. They feel the' plan
The restaurant will have seating capacity for 136 seats and
that mch of the expected food sales will not be take-out .
service. He feels "mid' s meets the requirements for CUP.
Mr. Phil Spear. representing McDonald's, addressed himself to
the traffic si'tuation. He stated that Mr;rDonald's is not
a traffic generator but rather chooses an area where there is
traffic already generated. He said that the major perceptage of people eating at McDonald's muld be sit-dam rather than:
take-out business. He stat& that 70%- 90% of the business
caning to McDonald's muld be fm the sbpping center rather
than people caning to Mcmald's as the main attraction.
. He displayed a rendering of the Scottsdale, Arizoi-m bkmnald':
and said the situation at that location was similar to what
they expected here except that thee are 30,000 cars daily on that. street which is more than experienced on El cirmino Real at this time. H& feels that all of the traffic problems
mentioned can be migitaged. McDonald's stress 1) quality service and cleanliness , 2) good service with proper layout, 3) propr in and out areas, and that it is 4)inportant to be on the far side of the intersection.
Mr. Jim Federhart, Traffic Consultant, 5252 Balboa, San Diego,
stated he has reviewed this project fm the start.
issues : 1) ccknparison of the site at this intersection can-
pa&d to along Marron Rmd, and 2) is the street system
adequate to accdate it. He showed 1980 projected traffic patterns .at both intersections during peak-. hours and ex- plained that ideally the situation is to balm& the lights
rather than have a long line up at me light and not at the
next. He disagreed with staff that the location on Marron
Fbad entrance would have been the better one w-far as tra€fic is concerned. He revie the left turn lanes? and the nmhr of lanes'of traffic, He CcBnpared the situation on El camin0
Real to various like situations in San Diego. He feels that
people.will go in to the shopping center fm whichever the
best intersection or entrance is available.. He discussed the
intersection inside the shopping center which has been of
concern. He &led attbntion to the fact in the layout that
there is one lane caning into tsm lanes at this intersection
which mans these people have almost a lane to t$emselves
' caning to P4Sonald's. As a Traffic Engineer he stated he had no hesitation in accepting this situation.
Mr. Phil Spear again addressed himself to the averall traffic
mitigated.
Mr. Roberts, Architect for santa Anita.Deve1-t . Corporation, San Diego, stated the total parking is more than adequate. He said they muld ke providing 31 parking
. spaces. Landscaping can be worked out with the Planning . Catmissioners and the six foot area of layout beyond the other buildings' can be corrected.
Mr. John A. Wachter, 3575 Catalina Drive, Carlsbad stated
that as a private citizen he was concerned about.&
traffic on El Camino Real and .the nuher of stop lights ncw
in operation on both the Oceanside and Carlsbad side of the
bridge on El camino.. Wal. He expressed the hope that the tsm cities muld work together on this problem and that
the bridge would eventually be widened.
. situation, stating that the rest of the issues could be
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&. Tim Flanagan skd he agreed with McDanaldls in that they: m0I mate in an area where *the traffic already is, but dis-
agreed in that they do generate traffic by the nunber of ins
and outs atkDmald's into the intersections. He expressed that he'had not been able to get good traffic data fm
McDonald's although they said tonight that 70% - .90% of their .business would be people already at the shopping center. ..
Mr.. William Hughes discussed traffic study in Illhois as
well as a.traffic study of the Mcwald's at Conroy taken in
August of 1974 as cmparisons.
Mr. Tim Flanagan stated that in the future staff .projects 60,000 vehicles on El Camino Real per ,day and that as of i
we have 23,000. He stated that the present developer has done an excellent job'of working with staff on many of the problems, The left turns in that area have been entirely funded by . the Santa Anita Developnent Corporation. He also staM that
I one of the big problems in the intersectim circulation where'
there is a need of 180 Wees to get into the M5bnald1s' ' site, and that he is concerned with the total traffic problfm.
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Mr. Rrm Roberts said there was one other solution that he
thinks might be' acceptable; a plan that seals off traffic fran the service statim area.
After -discussion of the possible inerits of this n&ly presentec plan, a motion was made to continue the Hearing to April 27th in order for staff -thoroughly review the plan presented tonight by Mr. Roberts.
(4). case NO. SDP 77-2/CUP-135, Plaza South, Santa Anita Developwnt Corporation. mest for approval of. a . .
_: Site Development Plan for a sbming center on 11.6 acre site- and a Conditional Use Permit for a- drive-through
restaurant within the center. . . -.
Mr. Michael zander, Associate Planner, gave the s;taff. report
remdipg approval of this application. He said Condition
NO. 5 under SDP Conditions bas put in'because the 'final Site Developwnt Plan does not again appear before the comnission. Mr. Zander pointed oq the differences on Exhibit A and @hibit B. Developrrent of the. project would begin in 18 . mfhs in the "portion zoned C2 and .36'mnths in the portion
zoned R-P. Mr. Zander added .that all of.. the nwssary -.
. improvements would be p&ided with. the first step of,
developmt. Staff feels the proposed drive thmugh'is
situ&ed very ~511 and showed on the map where the 'traffic ' .
flow should not present a problem. The applicant *wa*s short .
of space on the parking area. By .making the building mller
mmct this problan.
Tim Flanagan d'iscussed: the traffic lights. ' The City ,can
&oose the spacing and decide if the n~dium~ are to0 dose
togetheq. ' .
€bn*F+berts stated the staff report ad-kly covered the major points. He addressed himself ta probl,m of *king. He said by reducing building. they increased. the parking -a. The parking rate is leqs than one space fbr .
240 sq. ' ft. and they set a limit of one spa& for 230 sq.ft.
with the eventual: figure being 221 sq. ft. on the completion
of the center. He discussed the contml of the fire lanes and
agreed to the bike racks and pedestrian crosswalks being *
. and by inclpding the drive .through 'l&~es as parking' my . .
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Mr. William Hughes listed the businesses wb have signed .
leases as well as the probable ones they are now working .with.
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April 13, 1977
A motion was made to approve the application based an the
&xi1 13, 1977 with the following .corrections: Under Conditions
(SDP 77-2) 5.f.l) Change to read: "ch.le space per 230 sq. ft. of gross building area. (Credit shall be given for' drive- through lanes), Delete 5.f.2). 5.g Lmation of bike parking
on each level. 5.h Pedestrian crosswal&.as required by the
City Manager. Ftesolution No. 1353 and 1358,
"EXiEi<S"$d' the mnditions of the staff report dated
(5 ) Case No. SNC IV, City of Carlsbad - Request to cansider
recomnending to City Council the following street name changes: Birch Avenue to Tamrack Avenue and Chestndt . .
Avenue (extension east of Sierra bkxem) to Ridxmnd
Avenue.
Mr. Bud Plender made the presentation for staff, He said there
was no one lidng on Birch and seven people addressed on .
Chestnut. He had received a call fran one homeowner opposing
the change. This haneawner indicated others on Chestnut also opposed the change.
A motion was mde to appm the application based on the findings and conditions in the staff report dated April 13, 1977
& with the effective date of. the change being 90 days after the final approval.by the City Council. It was requested
by the Carmissioners that the Agenda Bill forwarded to City
Council show that there were no harneuwners at *e Hearing
representing either opposition or approval of the street nam
change. F&solution No. 1355.
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(6) Case No. SDP 77-3, David Minnich and Gene Yo<=um -
€'&quest for approval ot a Site Developluent Plan for a
6,600 sq. ft.-brofessional offie buiidihg on the south side of Elm Avenue between Pi0 Pic0 a&!Highlandi-
Avenue.
bk" Michael Zander gave the staff presentation. Staff recamnends approval as this application minimizes the impact of the office uses on the adjoining land as it will be graded and .constructed jn such a way as to allow the future integration
with the property to the east. Pedestrian access will be
provided to the oaambercial -lex to the wst. Proper
screening and building location will preserve the integrity
of .tlSe existing residential neighborhood to the south. .
A mtion was made to apprwe this application based on the
findings and conditions of the staff report dated April 13 ,
1977. Resolution No. 1356
(7) 'case NO. SDP 77-4, an ~o~quidi - -.st for app-1 .
of a Site Develomt Plan for a 11,500 w. ft.
professional .office buildincj on the- east side of Pi0 Pic0 .
between oak Avenue and Pine Avenue.
~r. Michael Zander made the staff presentation. Mr. Zander * called attention to Condition No. 3 which requests that second
story windm along east side of building shall be obs'cured
lr the base of the windm shall be six feet above 'the inished floor to'protect the privacy of the residences behind
the building. A letter fram Mr. Rex Wilson of the Carlsbad
Journal who occupies space in the same area complex calling attention to the traffic problems existing now was distributied to the ccsrmissioners.
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April 13, 1977
plhr. Fan Bonaguiai, 1200 Prospect, La Jolla, California, ted it-ms not ecodcally feasible to build a second floor withmk windows and requested the Cokrmissioners to reconsider this Conditim. He said that he did not agree with staff that the privacy of the neighborhocx3 wuld be jeopardized by office workers on the second flo0r.f He felt mst neighborhd backyard activity muld be after five or on weekends. He said a large insurance fiirti was interested in the office space as well as real estate operations.
A mtion was made to approve the application based on the findings and conditions of the staff report dated April 13,
1977, and to delete Condition No. 3 in its entirety. Resolution No. 1357.
(8) Resolution of Intention No. 135, SNC - Elm Avenue - -st for approval to conduct a public hearing to consider recamnending to City Council a name change for Elm Avenue.
Mr. Bud Plender, representing staff, said that he had received a letter fran Mr. Dm J. Brcrwn, Executive Vice President,
Carlsbad ChnbY of Carmerce, withdrawing the proposed name
change of Elm Avenue. The Chamber has asked the Planning
canmission to help them seek proper signs for Carlsbad,
showing,availability of food, lodging, gas and cle& directions to the "Village .of Carlsbad" on Intershte 5.
A Minute bbtion was Ade that the Planning Director make a
mtion to the City Council to &e every effort to change the signs on Interstate 5 to sbw the Willage Area," beaches, gas stations, food service, etc.
(9) Resolution of Intention NO. 149, .ZC-191 '(NFtR) - . Request for approval to conduct a.public hearing to
&&der re-g to City ~ouncil a change of ZOE on
property in the vicinity of palmar Airport Road between
El Camino Real and Intefstate 5. . .. - ,-- -4 ,-
A mtion was made to approve Resolution of Intention 149
ZC-191. Resolution No. 1359. .
(10) .mud Resurfacing and chip Sealing of City Streets -
. Resolution No. 1351 .
Tim Flanagan, Ciw Engineer, gave the report on tk annual
resurfacing.& chip sealing of city streets.
A mtion was made to approve. the eprt on the annual resurfacir and chip sealing of City streets. Resolution No. 1351.
Mting adjomed at 12.:07 P.M.
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