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Meeting of: ~ <l>IUSSI~
March 14, 1984 Date ol. Meeting:
Tm ol Meeting: 7:00 p.m.
Place ol. Meeting: City Council Chant>ers
CALL'm<RZR:
fl,e Meeting was called to crder t,,, Otairman Raltx>tis
at 7:04 p.111.
JO:.L CALL:
Present: O\airlllln Raltx>tis, Camdssicners
Schlehuber, Smith, Farr<:M and
Lyttletcn.
Absent: n.aissia,ers Rawlins and Marcus.
Chaiman Ralh>t.is anrounced the Planning Ccmnissicn
Prooe&Jre ws being shown oo a transparency and asked
the adienoe to spend a few minutes reading it.
PUIDGI! CP AI.Lllil'Al«:E was led t,,, Otairman Ramotis.
Staff Mellbera Present:
O\arlee Gri.-, Principal Planner
Bill Boflllan, Principal Planner
Bx~ficio lillllbera Present:
Nike HolZllliller, Land USe Planning Manager
Din llentadlke, Assistant City Attorney
DeYe Rauaer, Deputy City Engineer
1 • a.-,243 -8CI! BMBR -Request for an:>roval of a
oaniUtLinit uae i-ilt to replace an existing pole sign
with bl0 aaller pole signs in car Country at 5500 Paseo
0.1 Marte.
Nib 1101.ailler, ~ Uee Planning Manager, reported
ataff had ...-ted a cx,ntinuance en this item until
April t 1, 1th, to allow tiR for: a specific plan
d111nt.
'ftle Puiming Ccaiaaia"I cx,ntinued Item t 1 to April 11.
I. Cf •mt71 -VDBW.B -Request for: an:>roval of a untiflwdilcii 11111) n candcainha perait to
•• .kip 21 unite on t.he north side of Otilquapin Avenue
bit Rift ;.field St.net and the AnSP Railroad, in the Rl>-•
Qlsla Gnaa. Pr1nctpal Planner, gave the preaentatim
ita • aont.aiMd in the llt'.aff n!p()rt, tming a
'.l:I L ... WU., bo .... the project aite.
UNIUI_, lalbotia q,ened the public hearing at 7:09 p.11.
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. .J•. Vina, the 1111Ucaat., .tlt::J&td the oa..iuim, ::t•ut lltaff b' tlwir cx,cpention and stating he waa
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Chait1111ln Radx>tis asked Mr. Vine if he had read the
staff repxt and C01'lCUrred with all the oonditicns, and
Mr. Vine stated he was in agreement.
Mr. 'la,y Engetrits, 250 Chir.quapin, addressed the
camdssioo asking several questicns of the aR>licant.
Mr. lh_Jelrits asked when the blodt wall between the
properties I01ld be ruilt: how \IOJld the drainage be
hm,dled, as his drainage water \IOJld drain ento the
applicant's pcoperty, the grading-how high \IOJld
the grading tring the property: and the swinrning pool
area--1011.d this be fenced for safety.
Chairman Ralh>tis stated the pool would be enclosed
aocoroing to the cede.
Mr. Dale Buzza, 927 Daisy, Mr. Vine's partner,
addi::eaaed the Ccalisskn to answer Mr. Engebrits'
queatioos. He stated the blodt wall \IOJld be
constructed first, ialediately following the grading.
As to the drainage, he stated they \IOJld have to accept
the water en their property and provide a Wll'f for its
remval. 'l1le grading IOJl.d be basically two feet
higher in spots, and the pool IOJl.d be enclosed before
any water was placed in it.
Mr. Buzza invited Mr. F;ngebrits to cane talk with them
and discuss these cp!Stioos. Be also stated there is a
project of theirs at 170 Walnut, and Mr. Engebrits
oould go look at that project.
Since no ooe else wished to speak en this netter, the
publiic testiJDly was aincluded at 7: 15 p.m.
'l1le Plami.r,J Ccwdssi.oo ~ the Negative
Declaratioo issued by the Land Use Planning Manager and
adt4>ted the following Resolutioo:
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3. V-355~ 83-38/CP-267 -AS8KRHI -Request foe iQ)i.ovil a varlince to reclioe the required sideyard
Ht.badt 111d a tentative aJbdivisioo lll!IP and cxnhlinim
paadt to develop five wts oo the west side of Jtmeria
Stnet, north of La O:.ta Avenue in the R1H1 zcne.
Chllrl• Gria, Principal Plmn!r, gave the p,:esentatioo
on this ita • ocntained in the staff repxt, using a
tnnaparency lhowing the project site and a graptic
ahowiBJ the site plan.
oa...tuiclner Parrow stated that all lots in that area are
-11 1111! narrow 111d wwy did that mJte an exoeptimal ctroasunce fer this partiallar lot. Mr. Grima ansi,ered
that • pcrtian of the t.dc of this lot has washed tJMll'J
anl! then is a loa of the ruildable area, ?J&hing the
buildi~ ana fmwrd.
~ Rollbotia cpened the public hearing at 7:22 p.111. am iaued the im7itatioo to speak.
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Mr. Ralph Gcnzales, A.:hfnr t h, Bangiola, Banks & Peters,
1232 Via Mil Ctmr" ·, Sol an~ Beach, cdh-essed the
camdssion, stating U e ,'lppl 1cant roncurred with the
staff report and cnn, l tr 1 ,, uf approval.
Since ro one else wi shed to speak oo this item, the
public testinaly portion was roncluded at 7: 23 p. m.
The Planning Camdssion aR)roved the Negative Declaration
issued by the Land use Plarming Manager and adopted the
following Resolutions:
RESOLUTI~ t«>. 2257, ~ A VARIAOCE 'ID REOOCE 'lHE
~IRED SIDE YARD SET8'.CIC FRO! FIVE FEET 'ID ZEJO IBET
GENERALLY lOCATED CN 'lHE \!EST SIDE OF I01ERIA STREET,
NCRm OF LA CXX5'l'A AvmtJE.
RESOLUTI~ !D. 2258, ~ A 'lffll'ATIVE SUSBDIVISICN
MAP N-m ~ PERMIT 'IO DE.VEL0P FIVE llHTS CN
PEOPERfi' c»IBRALLY lOCATED CN '1HE \!EST SIDE OF !OtERIA
STREET, t«:lRl'R OF LA cnsTA AvmtJE.
4. CT 83-2~ -WAIIUl'C!Ol -Request for approval
of a tentative !vision nep and planned unit
developnent permit for 381 uni ts oo the rorth side of
Poinsettia Lane between Interstate 5 and Paseo Del Norte
in the P-C 2lOl'le.
Charles GriJml, Principal Planner, gave the presentation
as oontained in the staff report, using a transparency to
show the site and wall JtBpS showing the site plan, types
of tanes and the landscape plan.
Camdssioner Farrow inquired about the sound mitigation
and whether it includes landscaping. He also asked what
the elevatia, at the top of the wall would be, including
the berm. Staff stated the western ooundary would be
heavily landscaped and referred to the nep showing a 6-
foot wall and berm, with an 011erall height of about 13
feet. cannissioner Farrow stated he also had ooncern
about l::reaking ~ the wall so there would be ro oorrBor
effect.
Ocadssioner Smith stated, as a resident of Alta Mira,
they are plagued with ants, and the haneowners feel this
is rue to the original land rot being prq>erly treated.
Mr. Sllith wondered whether it was within the Camdssion's
scope to require developers to treat the soil to
elilllinate any &Jch problem. Staff stated the Camdssioo
oould cnditia, such treatment.
Chainan Ralbotis opened the public hearing at 7:31 p.m.
and issued the invitation to speak.
Mr. Michael McClellan, representing Warmingta, Hanes,
3090 Pullnan, Costa Mesa, addressed the Camdssion,
stating their ccnsultants were available to answer
epecific (JJe&tions. He also thanked staff for their hard
work and oonsideration, and added the project had
iaproved oonsiderably 01/'er the last four nonths. Mr.
McClellan stated he had read and ooncurred with all
oonditioos placed en the applicant. He stated they had
•t with their neighlx>rs to the North, Alta Mira, and
hcaeol,nera groups, and had nade presentations. His
thanks were ext ended to them, also.
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Mr. McClellan stated the sound attenuation was achieved
primarily with a p;rimeter wall, as sound follows the
line of sight, and he indicated a, a graphic that the
sound would go over the top of the bJildings. 1'\ere
will be n:, windows a, the I-5 side of bJildinqs adjacent
to the freeway. Sound waves will hit far up the hill
and by then the decibels will be so low that they will
be within the limits of acceptability. He added the
grading will be higher at the lower area to make the
elevatioo higher, which will help the sight inpact.
As far as attentioo to ants oc insects, Mr. McClellan
stated there is a treatment that is a(:plied to the
slab, and the applicant would certainly give that his
attentioo.
As to landscaping, Mr. McClellan stated the entire site
will be landscaped and a program of IMintenance during
the initial part to rontrol rodents and any other type
of animal that might have an inpact.
Camdssioner Lyttletoo i.rquired about the necessity of
renoving the Eucalyptus trees and Mr. McClellan
explained the trees cross the site at an angle which
make it i.npoesible to grade and develop the site. 1'\e
all)licant plans to plant a substantial .-..mt>er of trees
in the slope area to regain the effect of the trees.
'l'tiis will be done at the very start of the project in
order to get the pr-aper feeling back into the site.
Cannissioner Smith inquired about the drainage in the
northwest oorner, and Mr. Phil Bucrola, Bucoola
Engineering, explained the drainage plan using a wall
map, stating the streets will be graded up l!6la'j fian the
freeway and the drainage will go into a catch basin
before it exits the property.
Cannissioner Smith also inquired about the grading level
on the t:oundary street, and Mr. Bucrola st ated it would
vary, and to answer Mr. 5mi th 's o:,ncern about views,
he stated this project would be at grade or below the
street. It was determined the boundary st reet to the
North would be widened, as it ooly a half-street at the
present the. 1'\e llllin entrance and exit will be ooto
Paseo Del Norte.
Chairnan Rcatx>tis asked what the width of the t:oundary
street l«lllld be after widening, and it was determined
that curb to curb the street l«lllld be three feet wider
than required by the City and would have a sidewalk.
Mr. Don Caresio, 6719 Hyacinth Circle, Alt a Mira,
addreeaed the Cmlftission, stating he had rot been iware
of my aeetings a, this project at Alta ra, and felt
the denaity ws too high, especially with single family
r.idenoee with c:nildren. Fie expressed r--'lCern with the
Clhildnn perhlpe playing over in the Al ta ira open
llpeoee and clubhouses.
Mr. Mc£lellan stated they would be happy w ?,Jt a wal 1 er
fence along the boundary street to keep children in er
out-en the entire n:>rtherly t:oundary line. He added
they did intend to landscape heavily at tt.cJ end of the cul• uca oo that side. Fie stated the 1 wuld also
be lardllolped.
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Since oo ooe else wished to speak en this item, the
public testim:Jny was roncluded at 7:54 p.m.
Camdssiooer Schlehuber expressed roncern with the size
of the trees to be re-planted, and felt they should be
large trees. It was determined that Parks & Recreation
has standards and would make rea:mnendations; also,
there is oow a landscaping nanual to help quide the
all)licant.
'lhe Planning Camdssion approved the Neqative
Declaratioo issued by the Land Use Planning Manager and
adopted the following Resolutioo:
RES>UJTICN 00. 2256, ~It«; APPIOIIAL OF A
'lml7.TIVE SUBDIVISICN ~ AND P1ANNED mIT OOVEIJJPMENI'
FOR 381 WITS CN 56. 7 ACRES OF PR)PERTY GDIERAILY
LOCA'MD CN 'lHE KRl'ff SIDE OF POINSETl'IA LANE, BE'1WEEN I-
S AND PASID IEL l'DRTE. ~ified as follows:
Staff to review and applicant to accept aey
reannendations by staff for treatment of the ground
for aey type of infestatioo before t:uilding of houses.
'lhe North end of property with a wall or landscaped 1 or
a wall and landscaped, as approved by staff, to prevent
foot traffic in or oot of project, subject to the
approval of the Land Use Planning Manager.
In answer to query, staff stated there was oothing in the
code for directioo about insect oontrol, but there is a
"pest" expert in the Parks & Recreatioo Department, and
they would defer to him. 'lhere was further discussion
about FHA standards regarding such insect rontrol and the
possibility of specifying that.
Mr. Mc!:lellan added the cxmnent that their hanes would be
geared toward adults and an adult CXllfflllnity.
5. CT 84-1~6 -CAIAVERA RIUS ES'm'l'ES -Request for
a thirty-sixottentative tract map and plaMed unit
deYelopnent located i.mnediately east of F.dinburgh Drive,
between Aberdeen Court and Gateshead Road in the P-<
Zale.
Bill Hofman, Principal Planner, gave the pr:esentatioo as
ocntained in the staff report, with the aid of a
transparency of the locatioo map showing the site and
wall J1111>8 showing the project with setbacks.
Chair-.n Raltx>tis cpened the ?,lblic hearing at 8:08 p.m.
ard i.aaued the invitation to speak.
Mr. Larry Blls, 3065 Madisa'l Avenue, the applicant, spoke
to the Caaissioo, stating they had tried to be very
sensitive about the do,elling units built by Pacific
Scene.
Mr. Jaee v. 11\ittaker, 4742 Iverness Court, addressed
the Ctadaaion about his ooncern with the height of the
hcu8ell Cl'\ Aberdeen Court and whether the view will be
blocked by thoae houses.
Mr. Ells reiterated their ooncern for the residents of
Aberdeen Court, and stated the diffference in elevatioo
would be IA)rOXiNtely 20 feet, with very little, if llff:/,
iapact oo the view.
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Janis d'Assalenaux, 4754 Aberdeen Court, spdce to the
Callllissioo, asking about the height of the dwelling
behind her prq>erty. She stated Pacific Scene had told
them that would always be cpen space and she had paid
$5,000 prenium to have that partirular heme. Also, she
stated this project was encroaching oo the enbankment
that their haneowners associatioo had been paying to
maintain.
Chairman Rcfltx>tis stated this odginally was designated
as a school site. '1'1ere followed a discussioo about the
designatioo fee cpen space and the school site, with
several residents involved in talking about this with
staff.
Mr. Ells stated there would be encroachment oo the
enbankment to build a continuation to their lower pad
site. 'l'1ey would continue the slope and it would be
landscaped, but there had been encroachment ooto their
property previously.
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Chairman Rcfltx>tis declared a recess at 8:16 p.m. to
allow the residents to study the available maps with
staff.
'1'1e Planning Carmissioo re-convened at 8:23 p.m., with
all Ment>ers present, except Carmissiooers Rawlins and
Marcus.
Staff determined the 11111p as shown by the applicant is
correct and the schematic 1111P the haneowners had was
inaccurate.
Mr. Terry Brown, 4758 Aberdeen Court, addressed the
Ca.dssioo regarding the prq,oeed 20-foot difference
between his lot and the prq,oeed lot. He had determined
there would be approximately 17 feet difference, and
asked the applicant to llllke this 20 feet.
Chairman Ralh:>tis asked Mr. Brown whether he was aware a
school oould have been built in that spot, and the
school would rot have had to oome before the Planning
CoaiNioo and oould oonoeivably have been built to a
height of. 35 feet. Mr. Brown stated the Planning
Dllper1:ant had inf0rllll!d him the school would not be
bull t there.
Mr. Blls rNpCnCled to Mr. Brown, stating they have
already tb:qiped that elevatioo an additional two feet.
Chairaan Rolltx>tia stated the applicant nust start at ltlinbmJh with the al.ope, and this was an engineering
probl• that the ca..iuioo could not handle.
Since m one el.ae wished to speak oo this lllltter, the
public tMtia:lny IMIIII concluded at 8:26 p.m.
'1'he PlanninJ ca..iaaioo ~ the Negative
Declarat.icn 1--' by the Land Uae Plaming Manager and
ldapted the fol.lowing Reeol.utioo:
11Mtll'!1~2255, APPRJIID«; A 'DURlY-SIX WI'
,._ 'IIM.'T iiP AND PlNHm lfiIT IEVEI.alMBNT CN 10.5
AOll8 IDCA'IID DIIIDIA'l'BLY !AST CF BD.INl!UIGI C1UVE,
_,._ MIR[1IIII <XlJR1' AND GM'!SHF.AD R:W>.
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6. CAI.AVERA HII.t.S -STREET SYS'IDI
Bill Hofman, Principal Planner, gave the staff report
using a transparency to show the future City Park and
pointed out the area where the h3neowners are cx:,ncerned
about traffic.
Mr. Stoffel had written a letter suggesting a connecting
road, but staff ooes not agree with this suggestion. 'ltte
streets are too close together and would not alleviate
trat fie problem. Staff rea:mnended the Ccrmrl.ssion
maintain the street as or-iginally prc.p:,eed.
There was a discussioo about the time frame for
developnent of. the Park, and staff indicated the Park
would not be developed for quite sane time.
Mr. David Stoffel, 4705 Frlinburgh Drive, addressed the
Camdssion, reiterating his prqxlSal for the street.
Mr. David Rauser, Deputy City Engineer, stated the
Traffic Safety camdssion followed staff's
recamendation to deny the prqxl6ed road. Mr. Hauser
referred to the Minutes of the Traffic Safety
Camdssion, stating the Police Department will nonitor
this area.
camdssiooer Smith suggested the possibility of a ooe-
Wlif'J street as a possible solution to the traffic
problem.
'lttere was disCU88ion abut the arrount of traffic to be
generated by the Park, and Mr. Hauser stated the
previous designation of a oomnercial area would
certainly have generated a great deal nore traffic than
the Parle.
'lbe Planning Camdssioo supported s taff's position and
the oonsensus of. q,inion was to have the Chairman of the
Ccali.Aioo write a letter to the Parks & Recreatioo
Chaiipenon to that effect.
7. REVISED SITE PIM Cfi 'lMARACK
Mike Roladller stated this was an information item only
and staff IOll.d IIBke the necessary changes.
'ftle conaeneua of. the Planning Camdssion was to agree
with staff's LE<XIWE,ldatioo.
ca..ialoner Parrow stated it was nice to weloorae Bill
llomn tJack fran his vacation.
oa..iuioner Lyttleta, asked to allend the Minutes of the
hb:'uaJ:y 22, 1984, aeeting, to exclude the paragraph:
PL\NIOIIJ CXJIIISSICfi PRXl!DJRE.
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'ffle Minutes of the February 22, 1984, meeting were
approved as amended.
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By proper rotion, the neeting of March 14, 1984, was
adjourned at 8:46 p.m.
Respect.fully SUD'llitt~,
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MICHAEL J. ~~
Land Use Planning Manager
Harriett Batbitt
Minutes Clerk
MEETnG; ARE AISJ '11\PED AND KEPT CN FILE lNI'IL 'l1IB
M:rNtrmS ARE APPKJVED.
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