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April 11 , 1 984
7:00 p.m.
City Council Chant>ers
'.ffle Meeting was oalled to oroer 1:7.)t Cllairman Rarbotis
at 7:01 p.m.
RJLL CALL:
Present: Cllairman Raltx>tis, cannissioners
Rawlins, SchlP.huber, smith, Marcus,
Farrow and Lyttleton.
Absent: Nooe.
PLARUM; COIUSSI~ PRX:EOORE:
Chairman Rarbotis announced the Planning Carmission
Procedure was being shown ma transparency and asked
the audience to spend a few minutes reading it.
Staff Mentlers Pn>sent:
Charles Grimn, Principal Planner
Bill Hofman, Principal Planner
Ex--Officio Mellt>ers Present:
Mike Holzmiller, Land use Planning Manager
Dan Hentschke, Assistant City Attorney
Dave Hauser, Deputy City Engineer
Chairman Raltx>tis announced there would be a change in
the Agenda Order, as there are requests to oontinue
several itenm.
N!X Pa3LIC RF.ARDCS:
4. SP-19~ -CAR CXUffRY fity of carlsbad) -Request
to aencl existing spec! le plan a, property located
in the C-2 zooe between Cannoo Road and PalClllllr Airport
Road.
'l'he Planning Ccadssioo oontinued Item 14 to May 9,
198'.
S. CUP-243 -BCE BAmR ~ -Request foe appeONl of a Condltlaia! Uee Permit to replace an
exi■ting pole ■ign with two .. 11er pole signs in Car
Country at 5500 PMeo Del Norte.
'l'he Planning Ccaduion oontinued Itan 15 to May 9,
198'.
lalbotis
Rawlins
Schlehuber
Saith
Marcus
Farrow
Lyttleton
lalbotia
Rllfline
Schlehuber
Slllith
Marcus
Parrow
Lyttleton
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X
X
X X
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X
X
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6. aJP-245 -ME~~AlIDI -Request for
approval of a Conditfuial UsePE!t to DDVe an exiting
pole sign and add an additicnal pole sign in Car
Country at 5544 Paseo Del Norte.
'lbe Planning Camdssioo oontinued Item J6 to May 9,
1984.
7. CT 82-18~) -SNfl!IS PRJPERTIES -Request to amend
CT 82-18 toose Avenida Encinas to through, µiblic
traffic, and to allow its oonstruction at oollector
street standards.
'ffle Planning Callllission oontinued Item 17 indefinitely
and the item will be renoticed.
C'C.Nl'lNJED PUBLIC HF.ARI1G3:
1. ZCA-169/ZC-293 -EL c.AMDO ~ -An amendment
to the mning crdinance to inrorporate scenic oorrioor
studies into the scenic preservation 011erlay zone, to
plaoe tMs zone a, properties with frontage along El
Camino Real, and to adept "El Camino Real Developnent
Standards".
Bill Rofmlln, Principal Planner, qave the presentation as
cmtained in the staff report, using a transparency to
show El Camino Real and a wall 1111p dividing the area
into five different areas. A wall map showing the
properties affected by this zoning and the requirements
certain pieces of prq:,erty oould not meet were explained
by Mr. fk>fllan.
Ocaliaimer Schlehuber irquired about the Del Mar
Financial project and the fact that those ooildings
would not aet the El Callino Corridor standards.
Chaiman Rmtx>tia cpened the µiblic hearing at 7:16 p.m. am iaaued the invitatioo to speak.
Mr. Nark Nordquist, 3495 Seacrest Drive, addressed the
Ocaliaioo, stating he was basically in favor of the
corridor' guidelines. However, he stated this oould l'a.Jrt
the aall develq,er wdting with a Elllall acreage and
would muae t:hela to telooate the density into another part
of the project. Mr. ~iat suggested the stipulatioo
of m ecreening walls be n!IIDl.'ed and a maxillun of 20
feet froa the right-of'"1IRIY. With regard to grading, Mr.
Noa1quiat felt that m mre than ten feet rut oc fill
'°11.d elilllinate the ability to hide the parking
underneath the wilding.
In -r to em.iuioo queetioo, Mr. Nordquist stated
the key -. to allow ..alls cc roadways in the setback
area.
~tis ~
Rawlins ~
Schlehuber IX Smith K
Marcus IX IX
Farrow IX
Lyttletoo IX
Iorbotis IX
Rawlins IX
Schlehuber IX ~
Smith IX Marcus IX
Lyttletoo IX
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Mr. Paul Graham, La Costa Hotel and Spa, addressed the
canaiSRion, stating the preservation of the scenic route
was necessary and enrouraged the Cannission to approve
the guidelines as presented by staff.
Mr. Bob Ladwig, Ridt Engineering, addressed the
Camdssion, stating he agreed with Mr. Graham and felt
it was necessary to adopt the guidelines, oot enly for
El Camioo Real, but other streets within the City.
Mr. Ladwig asked whether the grading stipulation was en
the existing grade and staff answered it was en the
ground as shown en the aerial JX}Otograph of the El
Cl!llli.no Real area. Mr. Ladwiq stated scme of the ite!IS
in the study might disoourage scme good planning, and he
suggested the eetbadt be an average of 45 feet rather
than a specific 45 feet. He also suggested a 6-foot
high berm would be 24 feet wide, and would be a
significant pile of dirt, as well as very expensive.
'nlere was Camlission discussion, with the oonsensus of
opinion being there should be sane flexibility with the
berming requirement.
Mr. Joe Levatino, 22121 Malibu Lane, spoke as a small
prq,erty owner, stating when you have property shaped to
a point as he <.bes, hcM far oo you have to qo oown from
that point in crder to use the land. Staff stated the
prq>erty oould be designed to use that pointed area as
open space. Mr. Levatino stated he had oot been
notified of the hearing and didn't Jcoow the study was
being nade.
Mrs. Iaie Elsner, interested property owner in Carlsbad,
addressed Council, stating the 45 feet setbadt oould be
a proble111 if that extended the full length of the study
area. Olairman Rcatlotis stated there were three
different standards---qislope, downslope and level, and
were oot all at 45 feet setbadt.
Since no one else wished to speak en this item, the
public testi.mny was ooncluded at 7: 36 p. m.
Chairman Ralbotis asked whether the standards affected
the aeoond parcel behind the parcel frooting on El
Cai.no Real and staff stated the intent was just to
affect those that froot en El Cl!llli.no Real.
Chair.an Ralbotis questiooed the cbmslope in area 3
lilliting the height to 15 feet, stating that would mean
a lot of rooftq>e as me drove chm El Canino Real.
Bill Hofaan stated that en page 5, l.Tider eectioo 5, the
■entence •Areas in excess of 15 feet cbmslope of El
Caino Real-etructurea shall oot exceed El C.-ino Real
■tr.et grade• ahould be deleted.
ccaaiuialer Farrow stated he was in favor of the
■tardudll, but IOlld like to review them and would like
the ■t:ataent m page 3 of the staff report clarified.
'ftlat ■tat.ant U!Y1I •n is intended that these standards
be follONed IX\1N8 the City Council finds that EJE"actical
difficultiee, ~ hardahipe, or results
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inoonsistent with the intent of the scenic oorridor
zone is found to exist oo a epecific developnent
prq>osa]..• Camdssioner Farrow stated his main roncern
was for enough flexibility in the wording of the
standards to allow staff to work easily with that
wording. Bill Hofman stated it was staff's intention to
work with each individual case and that on page 9, in
the ronclusion, staff felt that was rovered.
Bill Hofman stated the lots as shown oo the nap are rot
the ooly lots that might be affected, but were the ones
that were obviously identifiable.
Ccmnissioner Farrow stated he wanted to be certain that
if a problem arose years fran row when oone of the
present Camdssicners or staff would be available, that
the peq,le then would be able to rope with the problem
with enough flexibility.
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Callllissioner Farrow stated the greenbelt was ro problem
for him, but he was roncerned about the need for a 6-foot
berm.
Chairman Rad:lotis stated he felt the need to have staff
sell him oo the 10-foot grading stipulation.
Bill Hofman stated the 6-foot berm requirenent might be
excessive and Cannissioner Farrow stated the Ccmnission
should review any project where that high a berm might rot
be feasible.
Upon discussion, the Camdssioners agreed flexibility was
the key as far as the height of the betm was roncerned.
The grading requirement was discussed, and it was felt that
a inedlanism was needed to review this requirement by the
Landu~ Planning Manager and the City Engineer, to be
more flexible.
Bill Hofman reiterated staff's intent to provide screening,
especially fran parking areas, and to treaJt ~ the
buildings visible fran El Camiro Real. The berm was one
llleal\8 of. doing this, and landscaping IOlld be another
11911M.
Upon query fran the Ccmdssion, as to why the setbadt for
residential in Area 3 was 1111ch higl'ler than for oomnercial,
staff stated because it was a rural-type area and
a deeper setback was apprcpriate.
There we a diBCUSSioo about this being a guideline and
could be used for other streets in the City, with the
Cc.-duiawrs agreeing IIDt"e flexibility was needed.
Chainan Ralbotis med the Camdssion for an cpinioo
about using the eet.badt for other uses-such as a road
behind the berllt---and the Callllissioners agreed there was a
neoeuity for flexibility as far as the uses behind the
acreening.
The co.aiuioners were asked to discuss how they felt
about averaging aetbadts, with the <Xll\Ben8us of cpinion
bsing that averaging the aetbacks would rot be a good idea.
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Mike Holzmiller stat ed that rather than have staff put
flexibility into ead1 and every section, that instead it
should be written so that it is understood that
sanecne rould propose 9Cl'llething different from those
standards and receive ronsideration.
Staff stated the requirements rould state hems er other
types of screening--such as fences, walls, etc., and add
SCl!le other standards.
'lbe issue of the second parcel behind the frontage
parcel would be clarified to state that this "1K.X1ld not
c!IR'l y to that second parce 1.
'lbe sentence regarding height oo the oownslope oo page 5
would be deleted.
'lbe item regarding other uses, such as roads, parking,
etc. , in the setbadcs, 1oOUld be worded to state
buildings--«) and <'""...her things where screened-yes.
'lbe Planning Carmission returned this Item to staff for
r~king and rewording and to be returned to Ccmnission
fer final presentation a, May 9, 1984.
Mike Holzmiller, Land Use Planning Manager, stated Item 12
was rot a Continued Public Hearing, but a oontinuance
just a, the mtia, for the zone changes, the tentative and
the cxn:b permit.
2. ZC-271/ZC-274/SP-190~CT 83-36/CP-273 -DEL
MAR Pnw«::IAL -Request or approval of preannexatia,al
zooing of C-2 (General Camiercial), 0 (Office), R-1-
20,000 and OS (~Space): a specific plan; tentative
subdivision 1111p and 1'¥ln-residential oondaninium permit
on the rortheast side of El Camino Real north and south
of the proposed extension of College Boulevard.
Charles Gri.nn, Principal Planner, gave a trief report and
asked for dlan3es to be l1llllde a, page 14, deleting P-6 and
P-8 under Sectioo D. Height: and adding Exhibit M.
'!'he Plaming ec.dssioo acq,ted the following
Reeolutia\8:
Rl!SU1!'I~ t«), 2~ RBCDtQ!NDIM'.i APPHJ\TAL CF A PiiWliixM':fciw. CJWQ 10 0 (OFFICE Nm
PWJl'WlCIW.), C-2 (Gl!NBRAL CXMIBJCIAL), R-1-20,000 AND
OS (<JPl!N SPACE) Of PIQ>ER'l'Y Gl!NBRALLY IOCATm Of 'DIE
BAST SIDE c:, BL CMDI) IIW.., nnH CF (l)[J.EX.;E
~ M:>. 2268, ~m:; APPIOJM. CF A
PMNIIIXM'ICJW. DB owa: ro c-2 (Gl!NERAL CDltEICIALl,
R-1-20,000 NE Qi (~ SPACE) Of PRlPERIY camw.LY
UXWl1ID ~ '1HZ DST SIDE CF BL CAMIM:> REAL, tOmt CF
(DJAIJI IIXJUNAII).
t«>, 2269, ~m:; APIVJAL CF SP...190, Ft:1t
Y C:, CPPICE, RESIDl!NTIAL, Al-I)
!XIIDCW, ~ AR> CPm SPACE AREA GffiERALLY
UDm> ~ '1HZ DST SIDE Cl' BL C\Mit«) REAL, tOffll AND
8Clffll Cl' O'llaR!: ~.
lbrtlotis X
Rawlins X
Schlehuber X X
Smith X
Marcus X
Farrow X
Lyttleton X
lblbotis X
Rawlins X
Schlehuber X
Siu.th X
Marcus X
Parrow X X
Lyttletoo X
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RESOWTI~ 00. 2270, APP~ A 12 IDI' SUBOIVISI~ CN
l-JOIBk1'1 <DERALLY LOCATED CN 'lHE ~ SIDE OF EL CAMm:>
RF.AL~ OF CDLLB:;E EOJLEVARD.
The Planning Ccmnissioo adopted the following Resolutioo
of Intentioo:
RB&>U11'I~ 00. 169, ~ ITS INlffll'I~ TO a:H3IDER
AN N80a!N'I' OF TITLE 21 OF 'lHE CARLSIW> r-lJNICIPAL <IDE.
3. CT 8-'-2/CP-270 -lA cn;'m POINI'E -A request for a
48-unlt tentative tract map and oondominitm1 permit oo
prq>erty located oo the rorthwest rorner of Alqa Road am El Fuerte Street.
Bill Roffflan, Principal Planner, gave the presentation er,
this item as contained in the staff report, using a
transparency showing the site and a wall map showing the
sl<:4)e graphic.
Olairman Roatlotis q>elled the public hearing at 8:26 p.m. am issued the invi tatioo to speak.
Mr. Richard Grabhorn, 10990 Montego Drive, San Diego,
addressed the Carmissioo, stating the applicants
<XlllO.lrred with the additiooal ronditions handed out
tonight.
Mr. Philip Giacinti, 2855 Cacatua Street, addressed the
C<Dllission, referring to his lettP.r to the Ccmnission
dated April 4, 1984, expressing concern about the
density of this proposed project. Staff, upon query,
stated~ letter had rot been answered. Further, staff
stated acae of the units there were ooilt prior to the
new a:ndcainil.111 <rdinanoe.
Mr. Jerry Bladt, 2845 Giacinti, addressed the Ccmnission
regarding the density of the ptq>08ed project. He
stated there should be anple oosite parking, as parking
is already a proble111 in that area.
Mr. Grabhorn responsed, stating they would abide ~ all
nllN Ind regulations and were far frc111 the max i.num
delwity allowed.
Nr. Colin Seid, 1010 '1\Jrquoise, San Diego, spake from
the adienoe, stating the units were being ooilt as
aon&ainhaa, but if scae are rot sold, they will be
rent-'.
Since no one else wished to speak oo this itf!ffl, the
public teetia:Jny •AUS concluded at 8:42 p.m.
'lber:-e .,.. Coaiu:i..~ discuasioo, stating there were no
fin1Unga in the Reeolutim to justify the density of the
project.
Aaaiatant City Attorney Dan Hentschke stated that
findinga llhauld be ade to justify SrJ density over the
llin1-allolMd Ind t.boee findings are not in the
RMoluticln. Be 9U91:1Mted this it.ea be returned to staff
for pnparation of. further cl:>c\aents to justify the
density.
~tis X
Rawlins X
Schlehuber X
Slni.th X
Marcus X
Farrow X X
Lyttletm X
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Motioo was mde and SE!<Xlllded to approve the Negative
Declaratioo issued by the Land Use Planning Manager and
adopt Resolutioo No. 2265. Motioo, with the approval of
the second, wa withdrawn.
'!'he Planning Camdssioo sent <bcuments approving
Item t3 back to staff for additional <bcumentation, to
be returned at the next regular Planning
cannissioo meeting at the top of the agenda.
~=
Olainnan Raltx>tis declared a recess at 8:54 p.m. and the
Caaissioo re-<Xlrlvened at 9:00 p.m. with all
Cclllnissialers present.
8. ZC-303 -OAKLEY P~Wl'IOI OF INTml'IOl-168 -
Request for ijrova1oaime change fran R-1-15, 000
to C-T for two lots oo the south side of AdanB Street,
west of Hoover Street, and a Resolutioo of Intention to
approve a zone change fran R-1-15,000 and R-T to C-T on
the south side of Adans Street and Harrison Street
between I-5 and HOO\ler Street.
Charles Grima, Principal Planner, gave the presentation
on this item as oontained in the staff report, using a
transparency to show the prcperty.
Mr. Nick Banche, Oceanside, spoke for the aR>licant,
stating they~ with staff recx:mnendation and urge
the adoption of this Resolutioo.
Chairman Raltx>tis cpened the public hearing at 9:04
p.m. and issued the invitation to speak.
Mr. l!im1nd Dclftinguez, 4378 Mans Street, stated he
needed clarifioatioo as he received oo ootificatioo and
asked to have the O overlay explained. Staff explained
that the zone change !lade the zoning ronform with the
general plan.
Mrs. l<Xle Elsner, 1986 Fairlee Drive, Encinitas, ale of
the property aimers, addressed the Callnissioo in support
of the 80ne change.
Mrs. Bonnie Sadiasa, 4378 Adam Street, asked whether this
wae a .:ming change and was informed this was a za1e
change to inple111ent the general plan.
Mrs. Blizabeth Caldwell, 4150 Admns Street, spoke in
oppoeitioo to the 80ne change.
Mr. Bob Johnson, Mam Street, addressed the camdssioo
in q:p,aitioo to the zone ~'lge.
Mr. Donald Mead and Mrs. Barbara Mead, 4140 Mams
Street, signed in q:p,aitioo to Item 18.
Since no me else wished to speak oo this item, the
public teetiJaty WU ooncluded at 9:21 p.m.
laltx>tis
Rawlins
Sdllehuber
Smith
Marcus
Farrow
Lyttletoo
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Chairman Rartx>t is announced that he had no ronflict of
interest en this item.
The Planning Coomission adopted the fol:,iwing
Resolutions:
RESOI.111'ICN 00. 2273, REXXM4ENDilli APPROVAL CF A :r..rnE
Ow«;E PKJIII R-1-15,000 'IO C--T-Q, <XMIBRCIAL 'la.::UST ZCNE
FOR 2.02 ACRES CF PmPERTY G'NERALLY LOCATED CN 'lHE
SCX1m SIDE CF ADAMS STREET, WEST OF FOJVER STREET.
RESOI.111'ICN 00. 168, D~ ITS INlfflI'IOl 'IO <IMXJCT A
PlBLIC HFAR~ 'IO o:NSIDER RECOfolm)~ 'IO 'lHE CITY
COJOCIL A RECJAC;SIFICATIOl IN 7l:NE FRO! R-1-15,000 AND R-
T 'IO C--T-Q CN PIOPERTIES GENERALLY LOCATED CN 'lHE SXJ'm
SIDE OF ADAMS STREET AND HI\RRI~ STREET BE'IWEEN tOJVER
STREET ~'ID 1-5.
AnJCXJRtfitEN.r:
By pre.per notion, the rreeting of April 11 , 1984, was
adjourned at 9:26 p.m.
Respectfully subnitted,
MICliAEL J.
Land Use Planning Manager
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
MEETTin, ARE Ais:) TAPP.D AND KEPI' CN FILE CNI'IL '!HE
MINl1IBS ARE APPIOVED.
loltx:>tis X
Rawlins X
Schlehuber X X
smith X
Harcus X
Farro..> X
Lyttleton X