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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1985-06-19; Planning Commission; MinutesMINUTES HEm'I t£ OF: DATE OF MEETI!C: TIME OF KEETIN:;: June 19, 198S 6 :00 P .H. PU.CE OF HEET1 ~: City Counc1, ~r s CALL TO ORDER: '!'he ~t 1ng was cal led to order by diaitrMn Schlehuber a t 6:00 p.m. ROtJ.. CALL: Present: °": 1'1'1\lln Schlehuber. CCJmllSSlOnP.rs McFaoc'~n. 9n1th, Kall , Ratbotis, Marc-us arc :..• HF.urau. Absent : NOne. Suit( Menber s P• esent : Dan Hentschk••, AsslSt,mt C lty Attorr,ey Michael Hol:mu lle r, Lan:l use Plaruung !'lanager PLEDGE OF ALLffi I Da was 1 ed by Cha , rmiln Sch l ehu.ber . Chairman Schlera.iber e xplained that regardless of what the Planning Connissioo decided on the 1nd1 v 1dual !tens of the Citizens Catmittee Report on the Review of the Land Use Elenent of the General Plan, the Carmi t tee's or 191nal report would be sutmitted t o City Counci l . The Planning Conn1ssioo could ad::! sane ccmnents, but r,oth1ng "10Uld be el imtnated fran the report sul:rn1 t ted co the Counc1 1. <:h!irman Schlehuber ,·lso explained the schedule to be followed during the evening: For each group of I terns: (ll nie Planning Camnss1on would ask quest ions of the Cmmittee aenbers; (2) Public testi.mony would be heard; (3) '!be Planning Ccmnlssion would discuss the 1tans, l . (l>en Space lv:Jt icul ture P.srks Enviromentai Protection nie Planning Comliss1on had no quest ions of the Camuttee reg.srdi ~ this group of topics. Chairman Schlehuber opened the ~l 1c hearing on this portion of the R.eport at 6: 10 p.m. ard issued the invitation to speak. Barbara Hall, 3610~ Villaqe Drlll'e, Carlsb!id, represented the League of tibnen's Voters , North Coast, San Diego County. She disc:u.ssej the l.lI{>leaentat 100 of an oogoi ~ citizen pn-ticipetion on the issue of open spece and urged members to c:ons!der both the minorit}' and majority O!',inions. (She han:Jed out a copy of her speech to IIBl!ber s of the cami i ss ion. J Mignon Bowen, 2290 Nob Hill Dt'ill'e, Carlsbad, expressed her be.lief that many of the minority's i:ecawewdbt ions should hllllve been adopted, particularly with regard to tim1~ growth, oar-rowing the 11'1 density range, a population cap of not more than 140,000 by the year 2025, and agriculture. She also made .recaaaeidaticns req.srdiog the eet~ of a citizens camittee. (She passed out a copy of ber speecti to l'!lllllben of the Ctmni ssion. l • l'IEE'l'I IC OF: DATE OP HEETIN::.: TIME OF KEETI!C: PV.ct OF MEETIN'.i: MINUTES Pl.ANN I 1-C '-.01'1 l SS I ON ( Spec i a I Meet i ng) June 19, 198S 6:00 P.11. City Counc 1 I O"lamber s CAU.. TO OflDER: 1'-.e meeting was cal lEd to order by Chairman sehlehuber at 6:00 p.m. ROLL CALL: Present; Q-.a1anan Schlehuber, ..:ann1ss1oners 1'\".·F'adden, 9-lith, Hal:, Rcrnbot1s, Harcus an:l Schlehuber Absent: None. Staff l'B:lber s Present : Dan Hentschke, AsS I st.ant C" t y Attorney Kichae.l HOl zmi l let, Land Use Plan.'l mg Manager PUllGE Of' AU..EX;IEN:E was !Ed by O\a I nnan Schlehuber. Ola i anon Schlehuber exp la i ne:l that rega rdless of what the Plannin:J Ccmnission decided on the 1ncl1v1dual items of the Citizens Cmmi ttee Report on the Re-.· iew of the Larrl Ose Elmient of the General Plan, the Camn t tee's orig 1nal report would be subnitted to C1·y O>unc1l. 1'le Pl,iru,1o;i Ccmnission could add sane ccmnen ts, but nothln:J would be elimi nate:! fran the teport sutrnltted :o the D:>unc1l . Olaicman Schlehuber also explained the schedule to be followed durin:J the evenin:J: For each group of i t.e,,S: (1) 1'le Planning Cl:r.nis.sion would ask quest Ions of the Cmm i t tee members; { 2) Pub l ic test lmooy would be heard ; (3) 1'"ie Planning Ccmn1ss1on would discuss the items. 1 . Open space /lqr icul t:ure Parks Dlv 1 ronneot.a 1 Protect 1 on 'Mle Planning Q:mn1ssion had no questions of the Camlittee rego.rdiri;i this group of topics. Olaicnan Schlehuber opened the publ ic hearing on this portion of the Report at 6: 10 p.m. an:i issue::i the invitation to speak. ,,, Barbara Kall"; )d 0A Village Dr 1 ve. car ls.bad, represer.~ed the League of tibllen's Voters, North ()).ast, San Diego County. She discussed the :mplementa~ •on of 11r1 ongoing citizen [\'lrticipetion on the issue of ~en space an:l urgl!JC! mmbe.rs N consider both the mioor i ty am majority opinions. (She harxied out a copy of '"ler speech to mmbera of the 0:.-ission.) Mignon Bowen, .l290 Nob Hill Drive, <:::arlsbad, expressed her bel ief that maoy of the mioor i ty' a rec •anneuda ti ons should have been adopted, pnrticularly with regard to timing growth, narrowi~ the RN density range, a population cap of not more than 140,000 by the year 2025, and agriculture. She alao made <ecazmefidations regarding the aet-up of a citizens comnittee. (She p,ss.secl out a copy of her speedl to l!IBllbers of the Q:mnission.) I @1 I MINUTES ~It(; a::t'f'IISSION June 19 , 1911S Page 2 Bob Ladwig, 3289 Donna Dr 1ve, Car lsbad, represented thP Qu-I shad O'iamber of O::mnerce Growth Kma';!<r.ient cam, 1 t tee . He expressed the O\dmber' s en1orsement of the Ma )Or I ty Report an:! addressed spec1f1c items 1n category l. HE' stated that the erw, rocmental area should be ~s1 z.ed; a def h lt ion of open space should be -,dded; u-.e ccrrrnents regarding agriculture were self-explanatory; and park developoent should be accelerated. J~ O:,.Jc tney, 4914 AVIia Avenue, ··a r lsbad , i,llC:S<!Olts:l h,s OWi'\ vlewpo · nt s on this sec-tion of tho Report. He discussed minority vs. ma jouty an:! c ite:! the exm,ple of open space which -s a probl en. Rl:!g llrdtng the park issue, he ment I oned that pcopl e need to be educated on the element Itself because I f the ~lty would do wl-•t -s In the park elmient , then many o f the problsns would be resolved . He sumlart ze:! by asking the Plann Ing Catmiss ion to read the rec:omierdat1ons a.s an overall docunent ard not ooe of al ternauvcs. ~tno! no one else wished to speak on this pon ion of tne Report, the ~lie hear ing was closed at 6:2S p .m . OPOI SPACE !Pages 3, 11, 21 -23) O:xm11ss1oner 9u1th 1rd1caUld that ne felt open space should be ident If ted. Cn11111ss1CJOPr l'k:F'adden i,gree:! with Cmln1ss1oner 9111th and staUld that she would l ilte to see an inventory of open space put on II aup. She 111 so 1rd 1cated she was i nterested 1n seeing streams included when they t.Alked about spec1f1c i tens. cam I ss I oner l't:Padden camiented t.hl! t the def1n1 tlon o f ft open spaceft -.,a,s too broad 11rxl that she would like to see d oofin1 tinn given to the mini.mu'n a r~ that open sp.,ces could be. Regarding parks, O:m:rnss1oner i,t:Padjen expressed her confusion over who would own the neighborhood parks. Callllissioner L • tteureux sa 1d that he agreed with the Calllli ttee's ai:proach to defining open space. He also referred to pi,ge 23, top of the pi,ge, 2n:l tecamendation, an:l won,ere::1 if It was also ai:propr111te when encouri,g1ng parkin..J to include lagoon ares1s. O:::amiaaioner Haxcus asked about areas required for the rechargt> of -ter base and wanted to )(now i f we have .sny and -.s told t 'ler e wa.sn' t. O::nmisaioner Rcmbot is pointed out that the def initton of open space _,. talten f r(J]I the State• s COde. A motion was made a.s>t ing s taff to prepare an inventory of open s.-,e aa outl i ned, using the open sp.,oe de! in 1 ti on outlined in the cannittee' a Report. 'nlis inventory should be both aa a chart 11rxl m.!lp and also spelle:l out in a report and ~l ished Iii thin II l imi t.ed ~t of ti.me. 1'l8 motioo was seconded and opa-ned for d1sorussion. 0:::11111 i aa i oner Rcnbot is i nd 1ca ted that staff was wel l on the -y to doing it. MINUTES Pt.ANNI IC CIH<I SS !O'l June 19, !98S COMMISSIONERS 'nle motion was cKDerded to include "Ask Counc-1! to direct staff to prepare ar. inventory ... " Kichael Hol zm1 l ler , Lan:i Use Planning Ma~er , asked for clarification ot t he Ccnrnission 's motion, and 1t was explained to hun. A motion was passed accept ing the Cami1ttee's Report regan:lil"J3 Open Spa= on pages 21, 22 an::l 23 an::l request- ing Council to direct stitff to prepare an inventory of open space as outlined, using the open space det1nit1on ootl ined 1n the Camilttee' s Report. nus inventory should be bot.1' as " chart and map arrl .!>lso spelled out in a report and OC'Ca'llpl 1shEd within a 1 united lmOUtlt of time. N:iIU OJL 'ruRI': ( Pages 4 , 12 , 2~ 26) Catmissioner Marcus stated she d1sac;roed with the Q:mnittee's recamiencuitions s1~ she did not feel t.hat the City should get into the a,gr 1cul tural business. Camussioner Ma.rcus said that she l iked :t Just as it was -agriculture as an inter un use. Ci:mnissioner L'Heureux raenuone::l he did oot believe that it was beneficial for the City in the Ion; teI'.lll to sink its feet 1 n concrete on any of the 1 ssues. He cont 1 nue:! on to say that at sax,e point 1n ti.me, agriculture would probably disappear fran Carlsbad and felt the City should take a str~ leadership role in preservin;i as !IJJCh as tt could but could change the use i f it was no I onger beneficial for agriculture. He ird1cated that the Le<XltiDeldat ions made by the Com11 t tee were a goc:xi C'QIIPCQllise. Q:nmissioner 9nith concurred with most of Ccrrrniss1oner's l.' Heureux remarks but i rr::licated that he hoped that Carlsbad could !Mlntdin as ri:uch agriculture as possible. He explained that he C'Ollld see the City en.>-ia.nc l ng am maintaining agria.il ture but oot buyln;i property am mentioned he ...ould 1 ove to see Car 1 shad as a n ower ci • y • Ormli~slone1 9111th IMde refere~ to page 2S, t2 Cl, and SUIJ9e8ted that the words •where fe.,:1ible• should be i>ddcd. He also discussed t 2 El on pege 26 and iooic.ated he felt that it was a good section and should be prCJ110ted. He further stat:A.?d that there s."iould be sane C1Xm1.Jnicat100 ~o help develop the whole agriculture area. O\lli cman Schlehuber ment i ooed that 1 t was a goc:xi c:xnpranise and that he could support adding the words "'where feasible•. A 1110tion was passed accepting this portion of referri03 to Agriculture and addin;i the words feasible• on page 25, t2 C). the Report "where Schlehuber Mc.Padden Ranbot :s Hall 9:nith Marcus L'Heureux Schlehuber Mcl"addeo Rallbotis Ka.11 91lith l1a.rcUs t,'Heure,.p l I[ I[ X I[ l( X 1' X X II II II II X X IC MINUTES J une 19, i98"> Page 4 PARKS ( Pages 3-4, 12-1 l, B -25) Cam11ss1ooe: L'Heureux discussed p.39e 23, the firs t ~rt, am state:l that t.h1s rMy be a l 1ttle misleading because discussion -s corx-erned .nth once the parks were built an:! not as they are today. Co'llnissioner l'tf'adden quest 1oned why they aska::l for an increase t o three acres an:l Cmm1 ss1oner Rmlbot 1 s respoo:!ed that 1t was for t."'le money and explained why. CcmnIssIoner ltP'adden aske:i who wou ld o.in the neighborhood parks ard Ccmniss1oner Rcmbot 1s told rier thdt lt was an either/or situauoo -an att0'Tlpt to plac.at.e peoi)le who wanted neighborhood parks. Couniss1oner L'~reux stated that ,t was .ippropr1ate to ampl 1 f)' it -that the method was go Ing to be e I thet by the hcmeowner's association or assessnent d1str1ct as o::oosro to c i ty owned ownership. O:rmnssiooer RCl'l¥X>t is rep! 1ed that was .Jhat t.hey were trying to do an:! CamussIoner L' Heureux pointoo out that he wasn' t sure that C:"me t:Jlrough. Camnssioner l't:Padden expl ained that she thought 1~ was a good id~ but did rot want to see the City owning the parlts ard Cam11ss1oner Ranbotis s.aid that the Connlttee felt that the City should pr ovide leadersh ip. Camussioner 9nith discussa:l the parks st.an:lards regardll"G space and acreage and quest 1oned If three acres per thousan:l was go11'X} too far . C\air::man Schlehuber pointed out the high cost of land a:-d stated that he sui:portEd the City's posi tlon on this . Q::mnissioner L'Heureux said that the three bl l l s being proposed were ex=l lent an:! well needed. A IDOt. 1 on was passed adopt Ing the Cami i t tee• s i.ecarmeu:!ations oo Parks. f>Nl RCNmn'AL PROm:I' let. { Pages 3 , l 0-ll , 2 7 -28) O:mnissiooer t.'Heureux suggested that the Cam:11ssion consider addirr; "ridge lines" to the 4th para,graph on page 28. o:mni ssiooer ~cus asked if that was a motion that failed. O::lmissioner t.'Heureux pornted out that it was hard to tell 1f the reason the mot ion failed was t::iecnuse the concept was CJ:)t 11CCept.able or because the specif 1c word 1ng was not acceptable. Schlehuber ptf'lldden Rmlbotis Hall Schlehuber 911ith 1'9rC\IS L'Heureux X X X X X X X X X MINUTES Pl.ANNI~ CDfll SS I~ June 19, 198':, Pagi'> "> COMMISSIONERS Ccmn1ssioner 11arcus stated t.hat the M.lnor 1ty Re!X)rt would go forward wi th the MaJor1 t y Report ard that s.>ie felt the COuncil will see that "ridge lines" we re discusse::l. O'laicnan Schlehuber 1rdicatoo he was satisfied w1tl1 it but It was the O::mlli ss 1 on' s duty to add the 1r ccrmient-5 1 f they had any. Coxmissiooer Snith conc-..irred with CO'!Tn1ss1oner L'Hcurewi: on the "ridge l 1oes". O::mni.ss1oner McFadden ment 1~ it should be s1gn1 f1cam r 1dge l i nes. She also d i scusse:i the I t an at the top of the paqe and pointed out that it fitted 1n with tllE' r~ation ot inventory of open space. Comliss1oner Ranlx:>tis st ated t.'la t he thought it ~equdtely addresse.1 1 t ard that he could not vote for It ..-1 t.'1 r 1dge lines because the CCJm11ttee did not vot e for 1t. Ccmnissioner Snith suggesta:l not press1f"X3 the point s1rx:e 1t would be picked up. Carmi ssioner L' Heurew: requested t."lat t./'le m1 nutes re! lect that it was an area of discussion ard needa:l to be d iscuss....d, a:mn1ssiooer Rart:>ot 1s 531d that :t was rovered ard that the ca .,.>r'CJllise was finally drafted. A mot ion was passed accept Ing the cam, 1 t tee's recam.etdat ions regarding Dwirorment.al Protect 1 on. 2. CDmiercial Industrial Redevelopnent Olail:man SChlehuber announced that papers were f1 led by the Ch5nber of Cmmerce arx3 Lightfoot 1, Associates. Q:Jmli.s.siooer Hcf"a,ajen head a question regarding industrial on page 26, wondering how they arrivoo at the stat.anent in the &ecOnd paragraph pertaining to impact on residential uses. Tall l"lanagan answered the question and eipla1ned that it -a the general feelio;) of the CCJmittee that they should stay within the existing industri,!ll con:1dor, an:l that there was SQDe diSC\l.SSion coosiderio;) exparoio;) it. Jmies Cburtney explained that the Camiitt.ee felt that the statmlerlt that exist.in;) boun::iaries of Palanar Airport reflected the illlpact of the airpox-t as it related to residential use uourrl it. He mentioos:! they felt that i rdustr ial tx>umar ies were used and ex-pans ion of the airport should not be al lowed or else they would get cl09er to the residential use. Schlehuber Mc:Fadden Ranbous Hal 1 Snith 11arcus L'Heureux @ X I X X X I X X MINUTES PLANNI!«:i a:Mi!SSl()ol June 19, 1985 He statl;ld that the Col lateral Report addresse:l the nuisances created by the a I rport . CXmniss1oner Snith s.a1d that in vie,.· of the fact they .iere not the flnal decision maker with regard to expansion of the airport, no expansion of the non-residential areas should be cons 1&:!red . Mr. Cburtney pol nted that 1 t was al so a minor It y pos1 t 100. Chairman Schlehuber opene:j the p.lbl IC hear I~ on th IS portion of the Report at 6:57 p.m. and issued the i nv i t.ati on to speak. Bob Ladwig Hv:I icated the 0\5nber of Cmmerce totally supporte:! the Carmi t tee's recxmn.,n:!ations ard s., 1d that any changes to the airporc w'OUld go to the vote of the people. He eroorsu:l t_he reo:mnen:lations of r he .:amntteE.> for caanerc1al, industrial an:l redevelopnt?nt aro sugqested consider i~ park i~ in the redevelopnent areas Don H1cketh ier , 3701 Haymar Dr 1 ve, Qlr l sbad, represented Scxlth Coast l\sphalt an:l gave the backqrourrl of his caupany. He referred to the statanent ~ by Mr. Ladw1q arrl asked the Ccmnission to pay attent Ion to ccmnents fran the Clamber s1rice i t affected til81l presently. He stated his concerns, outl 1ne:j 1n a letter, am 1rrlicata:l that the Q:mnitt.ee's Report essentially told South Coast "-Sphalt to go away. He mentioned he tel t the COll)an)' should be buffered by an appropriate 1ndustr1al or camiercial developnent ard liste:l statistics reqard1~ the O:xnpany's effects on the City of Carlsbad with reqard to taxes, etc. Since no one else wis."led to speaJ< on this sect 100, p.lbl 1c testilllony was closed at 7 :02 p.m. <XM'iERIOL (Pages 4, 13-14, 26-27) Q:mnissioner l'iarcus said that she saw a confl 1ct be~n paragra?Ui 2) and 3) at the top of page 27 and aslted 1f other ocmnissioners had the SIKne problen w1 th 1 t. She mentioned she presuned it was referr1~ to over- camiercial i zat ion. Don Dewhurst clarified t.~t the teem overcannerc1al- iz.ation primarily related to caimercial users all:l that the concerns were in uroerdeveloped areas. CO!missioner Ka.rcus aslta:l 1 t overc:amercial 1 zat 100 meant that in the foture a transfer may be made of too many residential bui ldin:Js to caimercial, and !'Ir. Dewhurst indicatl!d that was the case. Jllllel!I Gaiser clarified that there was considerable diSOJBsion on this topic to avoid strip camiercializat1on. Cmmissiooer Snith discussed the top of page 27 regardi~ orienting t.rave.1 service and expressed his belief that Highway 78 should be inclooed since there were possibilities for hotels am motels on t.'lis road. Claim.an Sdtlehuber statE!d that he bel 1eved they had already approved &a11e travel service on 78 and OXlmiaaioner Raabotis Indicated that he was correct. (j) MINUTES P'LANN I IC cn+I l SS l a-i June 19, 198S Page 7 COMMISSIONERS Olaill!lal1 Schlehuber concurred that Highway 1 8 should be included at the t.op of poqc 27. A mot ion w.ss ;:,assed accepting the reccmnerrla uons of the Q:mnittee on Ccxrmercial and addtng "route 78" to section 2 on top of p11ge 27. lNl'.XJSTRIAL (Paqes 4, 14, 26) Q:mnisswner 1"£:F'adden stated that she ·.11shed t.o add a request for a stu:Jy to refine the a irpon u~ct area. a:mniss1oner Karcus concurred wi th :arin1ss1oner !".:Fadden and said the/ should also incll.rle a , roJect 100 of increase in flights in five or ten year s . camiissioner Raobot 1s ment 1oned that w-as the r eason for a portion of the Minority Report arrl the Col:ateral Report . O::mn.iss1oner L'HeUJ:ew: s~ested adding another rec<:mnen:lat 1on. He st.ated that as the City develops, there were potent 1al l y other areas In town that were probably large enough areas that could be viable as an industrial are.a. He further st.atErl that because of traffic or ncnse, there could be sane other areas ':."lat should be looked at and agreed that where 1 t was now was proper . He suggested Incl oo 1 ng spec 1 a 1 r~ t Ions t.hat the industrial uea be expandable in other a reas so long as the area was l arge enough to st.and on I t.s own . He also agree:, that the area south of the ex I sting I rrjustr ial C'OH idor needed to be redefined but he believed that 1 t does not hav~ to go irdustr ial. Olaicman Schlehuber explained that he supported Ocmni ssioner 11::Fadden that there should be a st.u::!y. Cmmissiooer 9nit.h expressED his reservations about the industrial area. He stated that they could develop more industrial here than the City needed or wanted as the years wot by. He pointed out that the size of the icrlustrial aree could have a definite e f!ect on the popll.ation arrl that they should tread l 1ghtly on this issue at thia time. He stated that he would prefer to confine it to where it was today an:l look at It again five year down the rOcld. C'amlissioner 9nit.h ~ a ax:>tion to accept the RepOrt as subni t ted by the Cami t tee. 1'l is motion was w i t.h::ir awn. A motion was llla(ie to adopt the camiittee' s Report regardirY;J Iroustr!al, arr:! tD r:eq1est a stu:ly to refine the airport impact area, especially as it related to residential use, ard to define both current arx! future use an1 effect therefore. It was also moved th.at they consider a proposal reg.uding the possible expansion of iooust.rial usage into other areas where there were large enough eites to handle it. 1'le motion was seconded and opened up for discussion. Schlehuber l't:Padden RanbotlS Hall 9nith Marcus L'He\Jreux X X X X X X X X M INUTES June '.9 , 1985 Pdge 8 ~ ~ o..-. :v ~ ~ -.,;! ~ 0 COMMISSIONERS 9,_ ~\, ~\ O::mn1 ss1oner Snith mentlone::l that he could vote on the mot ion with the except ion of t.'1<> possible expansion of irrlust.r lal usage. Chairman Schlehuber st11ted that he d id not i19ree 1o11th the potential expansion at this tune but could IIC'Cept the rest of the rrot 10n. Q::mniss1ooer Marcus askro for clanf1cat1or. of t l'\a: portion of the motion an:! Co:mi1ss1oner L' Heureux e xplairm that add1t1onal 1rdustt1al areas may not be neeo,u at this tlllle txlt they should havP. t.hP mP<:-hAn1cs to add 1t ,n th<? future . Cam11 ss1ooer Sr.1th sa 1d that he d idn · i want to g Ive the mes~e to the Counc-1 I pranot 1ng expans ion of the irdustnal a rea . A motion was µ3ssed adopt 1ng the Ccmn1 t tee's Report, arc! requesting a stu:ly to refine t.he airport uripact uea, especially as it relatoo to restdent1<'II use, ard tc- d{!f i ne both current ard future use ard effect therefore. This would also include consider 1ng a proposal rega rding the possible expansion of 1ooustr1al usage into o~~er areas where there wet • large enough sites to hdndle It. RIDEVELO?.QN'l' (Pa<;es 14, 271 carmissioner Snith 1njicated t./'lat h(> could see exp,,ns1on of the redevelopnent area only if the City could support it f inancially. Ol<lirman Schlehuber pointed out that the Report ddjresse:l this, an:l tnat It loOUld be only 1f econcrnical ly feasible. A motion was P3Ssed adopting the reccmnerdat ions o f the O:mri l t tee regarding Rledeve 1 opnent. 3. ~ use c1,ui .. c;1 f 1ca t1ons special Treatment Area Parking Architectu ral Review O:mnissiooer McFadden aslcoo about the last i=B' agraph on pege 32 and mentioned she thought that the sutement was i naccura t.e an, that the term • acreage• should be used rather than "housing" . Michael It;)]. zmi ller. Land Use Planmng K.mage r, conf I aned it referred to acreage. O:mnisaiooer Marcus asked for: clar 1 f 1cat ion of the secon:l paragrai:ti on top of page 33, ctSk i ng spec if 1call y how they cane up with i.hi s. Claudia Stebels.lti irrlicated that this 9E!Ctlor, was taken vertlatim fr<Jl'I the existi~ land use t.eit. Cmmissiooer l1CPacxlen asked about the f8rk1ng ,ecam•,u:u1tions and wanted to ltnow where It was covered. Schlehuber ltf'adden Rarhous Hall 9!11 th Marcus L'He\JreUJI Schlehuber !tf'adden l<:rlt)ot1s Hall Snith l'larcus L'He\Jreu.x X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X X MINUTES June 19, 1985 Page 9 catmiss1oner Rmt>otis pointed out that 1t was covered urrler three areeis: beach parking, aparonents and carmercial. C'Olmissioner MCFadden ment 1oned that the whole town should be looked at and Hr. Ga Iser -::on! i cmed there was not a specific iteu for parking. Qmniss1oner 9111th stated that there was sane ment 100 of parking on p11ge 15. Eric Larson also confirmed that there "'as no spec1f1c motion on parking in the City clS a -whole but that there were three areas that cane up over and over again. Camussioner Snith discussed mult1f5111ly a partment use raised on pi.,ge 15 and wanted to lmo-.i about condan1n1lJ'll units and whether or not they were including condaniniun units ln this paragraph. Hr. Lat:son said they looked at the C1~y•s position and that it was coverEd in the ordinance for· condaninnrns but -s oot covered for apartments, and 1n answer to a query by Ca:lmissioner L'Hel.Jreux, l'lr. Larson re iterated they discussed apartments only. Ola i r:m,• , Sehl ehuber opened the f'Jb I l c he.a r Ing on th I s port 100 of the Report at 7: 25 p.m. and Issued the invitation to speak. Hr. Ladwig erdorsed the Camuttee' s reccmnendat ions and agreed the ~sis should be placed on predaninant ly sing le tarn il y acreage in Car l sb.xl . He d I scussed the railroad right of ·.my in the bead) area an::! ment ioned that parking pi:iorities and special treatment areas should have pi:iority. Sinoe no one else wished to speak on this portion of the Report, the i:u>lic hear i ng was cone 11.XiEd at 7 : 27 p .m. IAtl> ClSE CIASSIF!O.TIC».S {Pages 7,32) A motion was passed adopt 1ng the o:mn i t tee' s t ecam:e da- ti ons oo ~ Ose Classifications. SPD:lAL TRFATMfN'l' (Pages 4, 14, Bl 0:lml.iss ioner !1Cf"adden suggested ad:! i ng to tho next to the lut sentence on p;,ge 33 •as ID.rll of beach area should be w:der the special treatment plan•. Ola l mian Schlehuber stated that the spec lal treattnent area should include the port ioo of the Redeve'1opnent Area which would be fran Elm south an::! west of the railroad troc::11;~. Schlehuber ~ Rcmbotis Hall Snith f'\srcua L'Heurewt I[ I[ I[ I[ I[ I[ X IC MINUTES June 19, 1985 Page 10 -' 1110tioo ..as passed adoptio:J the Catm1ttee's reccmnendat ions on this i tern but rev is i o:J this sec-ti on foltowirq the sem1-<:0lon in line 5, page 33 to read •excloo ing the present Rooevelopnent .l\rea nor th of E:lm ard east of the railroad traclts an:! open space :i:ones they coincide.• Q::mniss1oner L'Heureux 1nd1cate:i t.h.!!t he felt ve ry strongly about this itsn since it ..ould ensure the caupatibil i ty of lard u~, an:! the balance of proJects. He suggested that it might be appropnate for Council to implanent it like they have done with the Design Review Board in the redevelopnent area. caani~iooer Marcus concurred with Catmiss1oner L'Heureui and SU:19ested tooning this board out of other groups. She i ndicated th3t she did not like the wording •principle charge of the Ccmnittee was to ensure qual 1ty ard integrity of design" since she felt the wording should be •c:aiipatibility of the design arrl ccmpatibi lity of usage" rather than qJality an:l 1nteqr1ty. o:mn1ss1oner 9nith cxpresse:l his concerns ab<.:ut interpretation five years fran now an:l stated thfa-y should have a better definition of architectural review and what was meant by It . Chairman Schlehuber pointed out that the ordinance would have to provide that ard ():Jmi iss1oner Ranbotis stated that it would cane uroer ilq)lementat ion. Chaicnan Schlehuber also mentioned that they were just talking about the concept of architectural review uroer this i tan. A IOOt i 00 -S passed adopt i ng the Catm it tee' S tmrlat io.ns on Architectural Rev ie,,,,. PA.RKiN:; (Pages 15, 27, 33) Cmmi saioner Mcl"adden said that they need to review all the parlti03 requireDent.S for all are.es, inclooing irdustrial, and that a 1110tion was already sent to COUnc i l Oil awtifaaiily residential u:.es. O:mnissioner 9:nith asked about reviewing industrial aro O:mnissio.'ler 1'1:Fadderi pointed out a recent issue brought before the Planning Omnissioo where a project was inclooing a parking lot larger than required s ince the requirements were not realistic. 0:Jmlsaiooer Rcmbotis mentioned this was a 14bor intensive i.-and that they did oot need to loolt at single family residential (Rll uses. Schlehuber ~Fadden Rcmbotis Hall 9nith MarC\.IS L'Heureux Schlehuber l'l:Fadden Rmbotis Kall 9nith 11ar,:us L'Heureux @ I I I X X I X I X X X X X X X X MINUTES June 19, i98 5 Page-l l Chl!1onan Schlehuber agree:! that t h t s was reasonable. Colmiss1ooer L'Heureux asked 1f t!-.e t.-oncei:-ns being expressed lolC'uld be better llddressed 1n the COl lat-e ral Report a rd o:mnissioner McFadden re.pl 1ed that she d1dn': Cdre where 1t was addressed as long as it was inclooecl. A mot ion was passed apptov i ng two spec i f ic references on pages 27 ard 33 deal iog with Parlu ng. O vnr.nan Schlehuber decla red a recess a t 7:40 p.m., end t he Carrniss1on r~nvened at 7:50 p.m. 4. Impacts of Growth Aui ldout Populat Ion Density Timing of Publ !C f'acllities Desires ard concerns of Present Citi zens TUiie Constra ints Exist ing Master Plans Cl:moiss1oner L • Heureu:x aske:l if the dens 1ty , 1s ted un:ler the last clas:.ific.ation on page 30 should he RH instead of RM. He also wanted to kno,., i f an actu.'11 motion was made on 12 on the S5De page with or without the word ftonl y". J5l'le!I Gaiser oaid that the minutes of Ka; 6th which i ncluded the word -on1y• was correct. Cmmissiooer HcFac):je, had a question on pa,ge 29 under grOW""..n am sutoo she vas puzzled as to the canpos! tion of the Citizens Cmmittee. She wanted to know if this was to be a staroing caimi ttee. l'brgaret Brownley replied that her intent when maki. '9 the motion was for it to be a t.Erq)Orary camittee to assist the City. cazm t ss 1 oner lt::P'ack:ler asked e;r ic Larson 5PP.C 1 !i c quest 1 oos about paragraph 1 • on page 33 ard Mr • La.r son expl a i ne:l the bacltgrOUID of the motion and stated that they were oot excluded fra11 chan;es. O:m11Jaaiooer L' Heureux asked if the other <ec.OIIJleldations would apply to the existing master plan and Ptt. L4rson respooded that the basic integrity of the entire master plan stayed as it was but they would oot be excluded frm the changes mentiOOE:,d including the new dens1 ty ranges. Commissioner L • Hauran clar it io:i that they would not be changing the designs even though the dens i t y ranges may have chan;,ed. O::.maissiooer L • Heurewt referro:i to the top of P'l9e 31 arrl asked about tho lC acre exception. Joe Gallagher reispaded to his q.>eStion arrl noted that the purpose of the 10 acre er~tion --as beca1.1a1 the 0:mlli ttee felt that a 10 acre site was insignificant in relation to an overall slope category and that the 10 acre size was a significant ~ranise. Schlehuber l't::Fadden Ranbotis Hall 9nith Marcus L' Heureux X X X X X X X X MINUTES June 19, 1985 Page 12 Ola i tman Sc'l1 ehu.ber Opel"lEC t.he pub l 1c hear l n::; 0<1 th 1 s portion of the Report at 6:0') p.m. ard 1ssuec tht> invit.atlon to spealt. Bob [.ad,,.,1g recoimended truit the Ccnrn1ss1on approve t.'us section of the Report as presented. He expressed his aqreenent with the revised density ranges arrl agreed that there was a a:mcern with fX>pulat1on proj-ections of the City but only w1t.h regard to p.iblic fac111t1es plann ing. He recom,en.led a f 1scal u~ct report be made before a.,y changes were i'Mde to the plann1nc;; gu1del ines and €11lphas 1 zed t.hP. nee:i for present c 1 ti zens to lteEp 1 n m 1 rd the concerns and desires of future c i t izens. Other carments Kr • La&., 1g made per u11 oed to the ex i st Ing master plan and turllnq of public !ac1l1t1es. He specifically recarmende:i that the City hire a proJect manager for all p.ibl ic and cap! tal !.mpt<Wenent pro)ect s and explained what the proJect. manager would do. OlaHman Schlehuber had a question concerning de nsity and a~ed it the pur{X>se of bringing t.hmi down was because of concern about high densities . Janes Ga : ser 1 rx:! 1cated that was the c:ase. liank Litten discus~ the concerns regard1r.;i density. StP.Ve Bier 1, 17704 l't'.>oero Road, San D1eqo, tallcoo about the issue of oot count 1ng dens1 t y on a 401 slopo 1n the R- L General Plan areas. A. J . Skotnicki, 3535 Bedford Circle, carlsbad, spc,j(e as an iooividu.s..l am elaborated oo the issue of growth e ,· {X>i nted out why grow--..h hadn' t been man.iqed properly in North O:lunty. He stated he felt th 1 s was because of -, choice between maxi.mun profit rm maximur: quality of lite arrl that it vas inp:lrtant to !iri:l an equ1libri1.Jll point where botl. can be maJt illlized. '!beresa Mr.:Tighe, 438 camino del Rio South, San Diego represented the Construct l on I rdus try Feder a ti on and iooicatd.3 she bel ieva:i that the Pederat ion represented future residents and stated a balance must be given to both interests. She Elll(lhasizm that developers had to be sensitive to the camunlty and discussed the cost of housin:;i and the need to provide for a variety of housing types. She urgoo the Cmmissioo to carefully consider the OJlnittee' s Lecuw:.e,rlat ions aoo cane up w1 th a balance. Dale Schreiber, 1'S7 <:rest Drive, En:initas, addressed the high density i saue aoo the need to al 1 ow hotels aoo motels i:i the City. '1':lm Slrlth expressed his disagreenent with the previous speakers and talked alxxlt the mi nor i ty posi tion arrl his ax>tioc thlst failed duril);J the O:mn1t·tee's discussions on the issue. He ill:!icated that it vas iq,oruint for the Comliasioo' s mplASis to get baclt to protecting the ordinary cl t izen. James Cburtney reiterated that they were losing sight of an Ull)Ort.ant point all:! discussed the tellD •profit•. He stated that the problED of quality of growth was an 11l:!ividual thing. He pointed out that a major problem was that not too many people in the City really know what was @) MINUTES PLAYiI!«:: CXMUSSION June 19 , 1985 PaQe l J ------- in the General Plan an:! that t.he City should implement the programs alreMy in the General Plan. He n-.ent toned that he didn't think the current e lement would prcmote growth if the City would follow the gutdel 1~ ard execute the pol ic 1es contained therei n. Since no one else wished to speak on this port ton of the Report, the PJblk testi.rnooy was concluded at 8:J0 p.m. GRJiini (Pages 2-3, 9-10, 291 Ccmniss ioner 91li th expressoo his apPreci at ion for the cament.s made by the Ow:l:nber aro stated that hE> hoped the cam i ss ion would cecouneuJ to the C 1 ty Counc 1 l that the Citizens O::mnittee be an adjunct of the Planning caan.ission. Cmmiss 1oner McFadden inchcated that the Ct t 1 zer..s Ct1mtittee recannenr::lation was very badly neEded in the •:"tty and that she would like to see the word "tffl{.)Orary" included. She discussed roanag1r~ grnwth and quest toned 1 f the four quadrant concept: was included rn the lard use element since the O::muittee had not mentioned it . In reS{X)CISe to Camu ss i oner Mcf"adden' s QJery reqard Ing the four quadrants, O::muissiooer Rcmbot1s replied that thts t s presently covered in the Land Use Element an:l went al~ with the thinkin;l that "if 1t is not broken, do not fix it". O::mniss:ioner L'Heureux -,greed t.hat the last area was interrelated and that there was a problem with t imi~ ard l oca t i oo of growth an:l how the City manages I t. He indicated that he thought it was ~rt.ant to have a statmlel:lt in the General Plan as far as lllhere the Cl ty was goio;i with r:e:Jard to population -that it 1'IOU.ld be better to beef up the language to iooicate that they were lookio;J for the City t.:> establish programs ard policies to manage the location and tim~ of gro-fth for a pcpJlation of 140,000 to 150,000 people at buildout in 2025. He contin~ ori to say that the mechanics the City act-ua.lly choee to illlplEl!lellt would be subject to further debate and further .-ork. He asked how the O::mui ttee came up with the l'Ulbera am state:, that they llllSt recognize that growth will occur. He a.190 mentiooad that it ~ ~tal to have 8C:ae kim of eooncaic analysis to determine if once the City gets to buildout, can it afford 1t? If not, then thay ~ to badt off or modify thin:;s. He Eaphaaizm the illportaooe of baving some kind of econaoic review and «:OOClllic control. OllliilllllD Schlehuber aalted if CCIIIDisai oner L' Heurew: thought the Plamtin:J 0::mlliasiori should be involved in the subeeqJent Cit i zena 0::mll1 t tee and c:aimiss ioner L' He!·• "!'\D suggested havin:J a nine lllmlber ca..ittee ca:apoeed of four plamting a::um1saionera ae.lected by City Ccunc:i l and ti ve cltimna Nlected by the City Council. He explained i t l«JUl.d be beneficial to use 9Cme of the ezistlr,; resources. Oc1Diaai008t PlilrcUII expressed her agreaent with O:.Uaaioner L' tteureux, pan icular l y with the econcmic feaaibi 11 ty •b.Jdy an:l al ao ind teated she corcurred vi th the lllllkleup of the Citizens O:miiitt.ee. MINUTES Pl.ANNI!«; <nf1ISSION June 19, 1985 Paoc 14 Ocmmissioner Rl:Dbotis 11100 concurred .,it.h Q:mnissloner L' Heu:-eux that the Plllnning Cam11ss1on should be involved in the Citizens O:nmlttee. II. mot ion was passed adopting the recamiendat 1on of the Oclllmitt:ee on !lSSeSSing the impacts of gr~...h wit.h the modification that the Planning C'a!mission be involved the yearly review to the Council in sane fashion. TIKll«i CF PUBLK FN::ILITIES (Pages ), 8-9, 28-291 POPOLAT l Oi ( Pages 8 , 29) in Calmissioner L'Heureux referred to p.,ge 29, sec-ood paragra(il, and in:Hcated that the paragra(il should be r-ENOrded to reed "'ftle City should establish proa:rlures an:! mecnanics to manage the 1c:x=auon am timing of growth to ensure timely availability o! services am facilities based upoo a poptlation of 150,000 at buildO\Jt. • He sta tecl he was ccn::erned about the issues am ideas of policies in relation to managenent aro timing of gro.tth and felt that sane type of proce:lures should be establishfd so they can know where the City was going ard plan for provision of these services. Ola i rman Sehl ehlJber agreed w 1 th the bas IC conoept but stated he vae oot hung up on ~ation but would want the public facilities available. O::mlliuioner Rali)otis pointed out that there were other 1tatanents relating to plbl ic facilities in the Report am mentioned he thought that regula t i ng the timing am location of grO\ilth was a problem. 0:lllmiuioner L'Heureux said that in order to make it work, it was 1.mporunt to know what can be expected i n time ranges. CX-iaai oner Hcl"!d:Sen asked for clar if lea ti on and 0141 onan 9c:hlehuber explained that they were di8CUSSing both the tiaing of public facilities and ~ation issues since they .are interrelated. O:maiaaioner l1cFadden indicated the 150,000 figure was accept.able a.s a planning figure. O.Uaicner SD!th di8C'\1S8ed the issue of ~ation and ia:Sicat:a:! that it wu cloeely related to growth am darmi ty, md poi ntad out that 2/3 of the population potmntial _. alreec!y camitted to with tentative projects md -..tar plana. He said that the master plans should be looted at. Olaiman Schlehuber clarified that the figures di8CUSSed are from the density and ~ation reports. A aotioo Wtl -S. to adopt the cami ttee' a rec1101er\ations on Ttaiag of Public Faciliti• and Growth. n,e 1110tion was NOOtded lllld vu ~ for diSCIJSI ion. Schlehuber X l't::Fadden X Rl:J!t>otis • lilll l X 9ni ~h X Marcus X L'Heqreux • X MINUTES ~It«. CIH11SSION June 19, 1985 Page 15 cami i sa i oner L' Heurewt aslta:l a.bout Including Hr • l..adwl 9 ' s tecam,e:n:iation for a project manager, and that was i,greed to by the motion maker. Q:mnlssioner L' Heureux also aslc·ecl Cl.::nmisaioner Rcmbotis, the niotion mak.er, if he would consider including II f iscal i.llp!llct report as suggested by Kr. L.advig ard C011missioner Rallbot is repl led that it was required in master plans a.rd that he would leave that for the City Coun::11. °'8 i cnan Schlehuber asked about the suggest ions made earlier by Q:nmiasioner L'Heureux in which he felt certain things should be included, and Onnissioner L' Heurew clarifia:l that he felt the recu1uend11tion nee:led to be beefed up ard did not really address the problen of timing a.rd location. A 1110t ion was passed adopting the C'.amli t tee' s re,, etdatiooe on Timing of Public Paci lit ies and Growth, w-ith the addition of appoin';ing a project manager to oversee public ard capita.\ improvenent projects. OEHSITY (Pages 7-8, 30-32) 0:Jlmissiooer ~en stated she would like to see the densities chati,gecl since odd n~rs -re diffi-:ult to calculate ard it also tended to inct'ease density in lower r&03•. She suggesta:S the r&03es 0-1.5, 0-4. 4-8, 8-15, and 14-22 an:! agrea1 that special housing needs should be established. Caimiaaioner Rmbotis presented the backgrourd of the 0:-i t~ • s d lscuss iona regarding density and explained that the .1 would entitle scne developnent right. 0:-.iuioner L' Heurem irxHcat:82 that Mr. Beir i had a poi.nt wrth OX1Sidering regarding RL properties and Olmaiuioner lollboti.a said that this -talterl into OOIWideration in the land UN design. O.Uaaioner Sllith agrflld with COzl!lissioner !t::Paddal on the darwity ~- O'laimwi Sc:hlehuber pointed out that he -a 11101'.e caafortable w1 th the even OUllbars and quest iooed "1y the pllragrap] referring to the pol icy regarding -n dimities ha! to be incllded. o:..1 .. 100er llmbotis said that the ~t on page 34 wa a.rely to ake the person am his 118)' ~ the ladder. O'laimao Schleblber atat:82 tw felt it 1111118 redWISant and 11 diacauioo ~ regarding llbether or not the meari..,,. to be left in er oat. o-1 .. 1cxm: a.1th aeotlooed that if they talte the wn, t:bay wza dropping 11mN01.e ~ 00Uld 1110t:k wi th a muiaD. 0.1mm 9cblebuber indicat:e:S that the-, 118a only there • • conaidentioo aa2 that there 118a 00 reuon to 1111y thet the aan 1-8 no consideratioo in thla. Schlehuher I[ l't:P'adden I[ Rmt>otis JI JI Hall JI 9nith I[ Marcus JI L'Heureux MINUTES June 19, 1985 P!t<Je 16 Camissiooer 9111 th pointed out that the on1 y except ion to the mean was with cirC\llation. o:mnisaiooer Rx:rabot 1s stated that lt specifically referred to an existing O)unc-1 l pol icy restructuring it to the meen. COmlissioner L'Heureux expressai concern that five years frCJII now, saneone reading it may fio::I it doesn't make sense. carmissioner 1'1arcus a::mnented on the st.atenent made by Oc:mniasioner ~en reo:mnerx:iing the charqe in t."le density figures and st.a ted she had no problen:, with it . Oamiasioner Marc.us mentional she would 1 ilce to see how it impected other areas such as reduction in dwelling units since there may not be money for things projected. o:mnissioner McFadden pointe:I out that that was the reason why it was i.lqx>rtant for an econanic feasibility study. Omllisaioner Rallbotis btou:]ht ~ the proposed reduction 1n the ranges aro explainai that the C':amli t tee had already substantially reduced then and continuoo to explain why the nuzt>ers were changed. He stated that he could not support the changes recamietrl,ed by Cl:mnissioner McFadden. carmiasionez Marcus was coocerned about people not wanti ng to cane in and build and aske:I how mud'l they were cutting it oo-,n. Ctmlliasione:r L' Heureux stated he would be can-for table with dropping the fractions but leaving the nud:>ers as they were. Claim.an Schlehuber pointed out the wide division in the Oamit~ vote regarding density ranges aoo felt that 22 11:15 o reuooa.ble figure, Oamiaione:r L'Heureux said that the General Plan states that circulation 500 parks were best at mediLJD density, and thct it IIOUl.d create a probl811 if they took it out. A motion -. passed reo ePdi~ that density ranges be reviaed 500 incorporated into the Lard ose Element a11 follows: RL 0-1.S RUI 0-, 114 '-9 INi 9-15 Ill 15-23 BOPPIIUH:i Nil> flWISITIONAL ( Page 30 l A mctioo .,.. aade adopting the 0:-ittee' a reo -etrlat IOl"I& en thia It:a am iocluding the wold •on1y-as refl~ in the ec-ittee'• minutes of May 61 1985, arx! adopting the ec-ittee'• r.c, datiana in the parag,:apha ref.ening to ..uar clti--arx! curnnt policy \nSer Itaa fl. Schlehuber Pl::l"ad:5en lallbotia Hall Saith l'l!lrCUIB L'Heurem: Sc:hlebube.r ~ Aalbotia Hall 91lith NarClla L'Hllurewt @ Jt Jt ll Jt I Jt Jt ll • Jt ll ll J: X J: X MINUTES PLANNIY:; a:H4!SSION June 19, L985 SLOPES ( Pages l(}-31, Ctmnissioner : • Heureu:x st, ...eJ there should be an except ion for 40\ slope being . ncl trled 1:-i density c.1lculat ion for RL properties but not being built on, He mentioned he agreed with 40\ but was uncotlfor utile with the r arqe 25-40\ am suggested modify i -, tne .ecuanetdat ion to provide that for slopes betwieeu h\ arx! 40\, there be a rraximu:n SO\ credit for dens! ty sinoe it needed flex i bility. He added that he woul d like to see leas than 100\ crErlit in that area, A motion ~ pessec al lowing slopes in excess o! 25\ less than 40\ to receive a maxi.mun cre::!it of 50\. but Calm i ssi oner ltFld:len stated she would l i kf' t o see 30\ be the cutoff for not bei ng used to calculate density. EXCEPTICNS (Page . Ct:mni ss i oner Mcf'ao:len ment t or-3 that she would l i ke to see Except ion l deleted . O\ail::man Schlehuber expres.se::! coooern that there could be a lot of parcels created with 10 acres of larx!. O::Jmi in i oner Snith indicat ed his agreenent arx! stated that he felt all parcels of lard should be treated equa.lly. A motion -a passed adopt Ing Except 1 ans 2 ard 3 on page 31, deleting Exc:epticx, l, an:! adding an exception that in the RL zooe, they wi 11 get a credit for slopes of 40\ but there will be no building on I•. A motion waa passed adopt 1 ng the cmmi ttee' s recxumeu:latiOll!I in paragra.ph A.. on page 31 . C0am1uionm: M:Padden diacusaed paragraph B. on pnge 31 and stated that the sign if icnnt ~ am sign if leant riparian habitat llhould be excluded fran density calculations. O'laiman Schlehdler questiooed staff if it -. possible to define -Uanda a.n:S r i parian habitats by 801118 type of map, and Kichael Holmiller irdicated they could be defined. 0:aaiuioaer L'ffattewl suggested incllding significant wtlanrh and riparian habitat:a 80 that after they are idmtifitd am maw-s they 1ll0Uld be e,;clooed, am thoee not idmti fitd 1ll0Uld be included . Schlehuber X ltf'adden X Rcmbotis X Hall X 9nith X "'3rcus X L'He\Jreu:x X JI Schlehuber X p,tf'addert I I Rarbotis I Hall I S:111 th • Harcus ll L'Heurewt I Schlel i>er I lt::hdden I Rmbotia I I Hall I 9111th I Harcus ll C.'Heurl!\Jll I @ I; ' MINUTES JWle 19, 1985 Page 18 cmmiaaloner RaDbotia exploined the logic behioo the paragraphs and .eca1m1cnied keeping the three peraqnphs ot1 proposed by the O:mnittee. Oiaicnan Schlehuber stated that it they could be identified, t-a fe.l t they st-.ould be e,r.cll.X\ed frcm density. OCmaia.siooer McPadden mentioned that there was a lot of public in~t that clearly statoo they .mnted open space and they wanted natural habitats preservoo, am tnerefore it waa only logical to consider than as open ~. Cmmisaicnn Hall explained the Omni ttee' s feel Ing that what would happen i11 if the property owner had anything aignHicantly identified, they would clean it of! ard nothing would be out there in the meant :iJne. Oiaiman Schlehuber stated he thought the wetlards an:1 riparian hobi tat ~e to be by a st re.am ard Michael Holmil \er responded that i t was correcc A mot ion '88 pa.saed adopting the Caimi t ~ • & ce::am1e11:S.stiona for paragrapi B. on p!lge 31. A motion was passed adopting the Comii ttee • s reonnetddtion on pi,ge 32, &ecotrl paragraph. EXISrUC ~ PLANS (Page 16) 0:aniuioner L'tteureux stated that he fouro the language confuaing and indicated he urneratood the intent but fe.l t the -,rd ing did not a::mm through. A a:>tion wa Mde adding after the first sentence on Its 118 on page 16 the worda "but thot the aoiified or new definitiOOI of opa, S(,aOe, calculation of density, calculation of pulta, acreage and public focilltiea wul.d IIRUY•• flu.a aotioo ...slater vithirwn. Irie lAr90D point-' out that lbl!n diSCU111Sing the iuue, tbey amticx-5 that dmai ty c:alculaticns were not lncll&1a5. fta gave the bacltgroal! o.f a:>tione made mpminq thu Itaa aiDOe there was ecJm C00fuaion OYer ~ dlrwi ty they wul.d be 1JSing on new 111Uter plans. N1cbNl H0laillm: imicata:S that he did not think the aoticn ..S. by the o:.ai ttee ... clear arid 11U1J39Sted the 0-fMiCD aaD a specific .:ecxwwmtion to clear up the oanfuaion. o-t•ioaer NllrCU9 stated that \ftSer any reviaiona, c5awity WII just one revision and wnted to know llbat .ould b1AJm to the wt:er pi-already in the procw. Schlehuber l[ l'tFodden l[ Ralix>tis l[ l Hall X 9'Di th ll MarcUB lt L'Heurewt I Schlehuber l[ l'Cf'adden l[ Aallbotis l[ lt Hall :t 91lith lt Marcus lt L'Heureu:t I . '\ MINUTES June 19, 198S Page 1 'I O\airman SChlehuber repl led that for those master p:ans that were there, but the tent.at i ve maps hlld not come throu;Jh, they would apply to the density standards - whatever ranges were adopted. C0mm laa loner L 'Heureux sa ld that the turrlamenta l i ssu,;, was what vould be done vith existing master plans. Owlill!W' Schlehuber stated that nothing would be done. Commissioner L'Heureux aslted about the master plans in which they br lng ln new tent.at i ve maps arrl inquired whether the nev denait:y ranges, open speces, etc., would apply to those maps or not. Dan Hent.schke, MS lstant Cl ty Attorney, adv ised that they do not have to worry About vest i ng the right.a an::! a.s>ted i f all the new changes were going to apply to the master plan areas. 0-.airman Schlehuber brought up Commissioner t'Heureux's auggation that all the new c~es shall apply to the previous 11148ter plan areas as long as they d 1d not lose their larrl use designat Iona. Oomnisaioner Ka..rC\111 asked llhether or not there was going to be a grandfather clawte for the ex isting ones and pointed out that if they d id c;rarrlfather them in, then there would not be much of the Cit:y covered urder this Itan. Camusaioner L'tteurewi withdrew his original motion. A motion was pa-«1 that the revised atamards adopted on density, new definitions of open spaoe, calculation of para, arrl public facil ities would awly to exlstill:1 master plans. A 11otion vu made to strike the tetm "meat,-frcn It:em U. on page :W. '!!le motioo falled due to lacit of a second. A 11otloo vu made to adopt I ten 12. on page 34 ard opened for dixuaaicn. 0alli.uianer l"CP'adden mentioned she would like to delete it. A aotioo -voted OD to adopt I t:em • 2. on page :w. flle aotloo fail.S due t:D lack of 11111jority. Schlehuber l't::.Pnien Rallbotla Hall Saith l'tllrcua L'Heureux Scbl~ ~ lalbotis Hall Saith l'llrcm L'Hlllureuz JI ll JI • I I JI II II II II II II II a a MINUTES June 19. 1985 Page 20 A motion WIIIS paaae:j to disregard I tan t2 oo the top of p!lqe ),. A motion was paaaed to approve everything else in the camittee Report except for the Collateral Report and incorporate all chan:]es, additions anj suggestions am <ec.<liiililiided by the PlaMing CXmnission. In answer to a query made by a Clmnissioner regarding attachDent 1, page 2, as to why they suggested establishing ll-15 mmibers on the review coami ttee, Claooia Stebelalti replied that it -.s a ~ller n\Jllbet than the Citizens Cmmittee for the Lard Use Element Review but it still would be awropriate. to O\&lman SChletrubet opened the public hearing on the collateral Report at 10:00 p.m. Since no one vished to ~ or: this the COllat&al Report, public testimony was clo-3. A motion was ~ to pess the Collateral Report on to City Council u propose:! flle motion was sec:oa1ed am opened ~or di9Cllllsion. CDmiaaiooer L'Heureux SJggested a review of parking in all z:or-. except for Rl. CDlaiuioner ~en asked about an ecooca.ic analysis aoo llhether that lll0Ul.d be incl wed, am o:m.iaaioner L' Heurewt lmicated it IIIOUld. O-iuiooer Marcus aalttd about an EIR on redoing the lao:S ua eleaeot along vi th an econcnic study •inoe she felt both wre very illlportant, and H.ichael ltOlmiller pointed out that 1 t wuld have to 90 through an eavircxaattai r.vi-. Oraaiaianar L'ltlurwux dlacuased taking othel: areas and doing a muter !IR am auggested that 11111ybe it could be done at ~ or c:padranta of the City. Fie pointed out that it ... aaaeth.ing that should be looked at or thought aboat. A aot:100 ws puam adopting the Collateral Report and inco..potating wta -S. about an ecoa:aic niport and a pukiag 111:ui!y tX> include all but the Rl areas. OM1rwe, Jichl9b.Jbar ~ted on tti. aoe.lleot wort that the Cit!--0:aaitt:ee dld 0D the Allport. SCh.lehubex I[ r,t::P'adden lt It Ra!t>ot ia I[ Kall I Snlth I[ 1'1arcus It L'Heureux JI Schlehube.r It ~en JI Ralt>otis JI I[ Hall I[ Slli tll I[ Marcus JI L'Heureux I[ SC:blehuber • ~ • Aaltlotia • • Ball • 911th • Plllrcm Jl L'ltlurau I MINUTES June 19, 1985 Page 21 By proper motion, the special meeting of June 19, 1985 was adjourned at 10:05 p.111. Respectfully -.mi t t.ed, KIOiA!I. tTJ..:a'1lll.ol~ Lard Oae Planning Manager Ruth Stark l'tinutee Clerk M!Z!'IICS ARE MS) TAP!D All) ICEP'!' ~ PILE U!n'IL TffE Kil«l'l"ES AR! APPIDVm. j 1 l r •✓ . ,> . y Statement to the Cnrlsbad Plann1ng Comm1ss1on Megard1np; the Report or the Land Use Element Review Comm1ttee 6 /19/85 I com!!!end the Land Use Elenent Review Co~mittee for 1ts d111p;ence 1n prepar1nr, 1 ts report. ! appre ciate the time and errort spent by the committee. The uae or Carlsbad's l~nd wi ll do much to determine the ruture qual1ty or 11re 1n our city. That's why 1t ,,as so import- ant that mel!lbers or the Comr.iittee re~resent to the ~,reatest ex- tent possible the th1nk1ng and concerns or most of the c1t1zens rea1ding in Carlsbad today. I seriously quest1on 1r the Cor.unittee did that. Although I concur with ~uch or the report. l believe the 1ntereats or most of our c1t1zens would be promoted by adop- tion or ~Y or the committee m1nor1ty's recommendations. I atrongl_v endorse the m1nority's recommendations or rour goala to be added to the Land Use F.lement for tim1ng growth (those are on page 5 or the report ) and the two polic1es to be added to aupport tim1n6 or those goals. Further, I strongly support the rr.1nor1ty's contention th~t the existing Land Use Element 1s inadequate as to open space. prol'IIOt1ng protection or the natural environment. ~ensity ranges (many or ua continue to be appalled at the present density of some housing developments). agriculture, and concem ror pre~ent c1tizens. I auppcrt many or the committee minority's recommendations to strengthen all or those areas of the LAnd Use Element. In particular, I support further narrowine toe RM density range by reducing toe maximur.i density rroo 9 to 8 dwelling units per acre. I think the idea or8 more objective ratlnp, ayatem for detenlL1.n1ng <1ena1ty la a eood one. I ravor a derinite population mended l-0,000 by t~e year 2025. oar or no,,,.. than the re@ -· Planning Comm1ss1o'°);;tatement page 2 maJ ori ty' 11 I strongly agree that the committee recommended measures to preserve ag~1culture fall short and endorse the ll\1n - or1ty'a recommendat1ona, Finally, I ur~e the Clty to appoint a representative c1t1zens col!llllttee to rev1ew the Land Use Element a t least every f1ve years and, prererably , p:1ven Carlsbad's rapid growth , every three years. ·,:~~ ,:).._;,. 7 o Al~ t !✓ell ~- 7 i 'i -/0 >-'