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PL~NIHG COMMISSION
6:00 p.m.
June 4, 1986
City Council Chambers
COMMISSIONERS
The Adjourned Meeting was called to order by Chairman
Schlehuber at 6:05 p.m.
PLEDGE Of ALLEGIANCE was led by ChaJ.rman Schlehuber.
ROLL CALL:
Present -Chairman Schlehuber, Conrnissioners
McFadden, Hall, Marcus, McBane, Holmes and
Schra11111.
Absent -None.
Staff Metnbers Present:
Dan Hentschke, Assistant City Attorney
Michael Holzmiller, Planning Director
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING
1) ZCA-193 -CITY OF CARLSBAD (Growth Mana ement Pro ram
-equest to approve an ordnance estab sh ng a
growth management program and implementing
procedures.
Michael Holzmiller, Planning Director, suggested that
public lnput be taken innediately after the staff report
prior to C0111111ission questions.
The Planning Co11111ission procedures followed in publ!c
hearings were displayed for the benefit of the audience.
Hr. Holzmiller gave the background on :1-iis item, stating
that the City Council on May 27th made several changes to
the growth 111anagement program, which were incorporated
into the new draft ordinance, and are as follows: (1) to
si111plify the progrc1111 -eliminate the three tiers of
develop111ental status categories; (2 ) to require the City
to prepare a Citywide public facllltles plan, and then
require the plans for the individual zones to show how
t hey will coinply, and implel'!lent the overall Citywide plan;
( 3) stop the processing of certain pro.fects until the
growth 111anage111ent program is in place.
Hr. Holzmiller suwaarized that the ordinance ls a
foundation ordinance which basically sets up the
requireaP-nt for the Citywide plan and individual zone
plans, and the performance standards to be adopted for
~ach one of the public facilities and services. These
perforunce standards will then be used for the Citywide
and individual pians. There will be a continulng
110nltorlng system after th~ plans are adopted,
Hr. Holz■lller referred to a aet110randum dated June 3,
1986, subaltted by th~ City Manager lo the City Council
which ...arlzes what the ordinance does and suggests
additional exe■ptlons be included in the ordinance.
Attached ls a-«> fr011 Harty Orenyak, C~nity
Developaent Director, providing further detail.
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Chaln11an Schlehuber declared the publ:c hearing opened at
6:16 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak.
Robert C. Ladwig, Rick Engineering Company, 3088 Pio Pico
Drive, addressed the C00111i sslon in opposition to the
proposed ordinance and highlighted items in the proposed
ordinance which conflicts with Ordinance No. 9791, as
contained in their letter to the Co11111ission. (A copy of
the letter ls on file.)
Bill Hofman, 6994 El Camino Real, Suite 208, addressed the
C011111ission and stated that the ordinance ties the City's
hands in acquiring needed major public facilities by
freezing projects which could provide such improvements.
The ordinance should provide for pro.fects to accomplish
t his intent. He suggested that these types or projects be
added under the list of exceptions. The Council could
evaluate each or these projects on a case by case basis to
ascertain that they are providing a major public
lmprove111ent. He distributed a letter to the Col'lllllssloners
expressing his opposition, and suggesting additional
wording be included in the ordinance. (The Clerk did not
receive a copy of the letter.)
Helmut Kiffmann, 5820 Miramar Road, #200, San Diego,
representing Hultltech Properties Inc., addressed the
C011111ission and requested the Commission to confirm that
their project t o complete the Elm Avenue extension will be
e xemp ted fr0111 this proposed ordinance . (A letter was
submitted and ls on file.)
Christopher Neels, 701 "B" Street, San Diego, attorney
representing HPI Development, addressed the C011111isslon and
stated that there needs to be some exceptions made for
projects that can offer significant public facilities. He
pointed out that t he 111c1ster plan process ensures that the
needed major facilities will be in place, and the building
pert11it process ensures that the developer fflll pay the
fees.
Stephen M. L'Heureux, President of Carlsbad Chamber of
Coaaerce, addressed the C011111isslon and outlined the
COlll!llents addressed in a letter submitted to the Planning
C01aission expressing their opposition to the proposed
ordinance. (A copy of the letter ls on file.)
lohn Stanley, 275) La Gran Via, owner of parcels Sc:-1J and
f -14 at the Northeast corner of Rancho Santa Fe Road and
La Costa Avenue, addres sed the C011111ission and inquired on
the genesis of not exe111ptlng COlll!lercial/industrlal
projects as this is a sudden reversal to Ordinance No.
97'1. He requested that an exe111ption be given for their
project to build a super111arket and added that an
aases saent has been initiated for t he purposes of
providing for the widening of Rancho Santa Fe Avenue.
Thia project has been in the planning stage for the past
t1t0 years. The project ls in a special treat.ent area
which will require hearing before the Planning C011aission
ind City Council. There will be enough control to assure
t hat the public facilities needed will be in place.
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Jim Hicks, 2910 Managua Place, addressed the Co11111lsslon
and stressed that this proposed ordinance ls probably the
~ost i111portant docUMent to COllle before the Co11111lssion and
should be considered very careful~~-It could be an
effective tool, but it can also be a damaging tool to the
landowners and even to the City itself,
Richard D. Glenn, representing SeaFarms West, P.O. Box
1540, addressed the C011111lssion and read a portion of his
letter subfflitted to the Planning C011111lssion opposing the
proposed ordinance as it will adversely impact 111c1ny
businesses, and requesting that the business projects
which can be shown to have little or no impact on public
services be allowed to proceed. (A copy of the letter ls
on file.)
Marlene A. Fox, 3919 Westerly Place, #202, Newport Beach,
representing Partin-Bennett Financial Group, addressed the
C011111isslon and expressed their opposition to the proposed
ordinance as it does not provide for planning and stops
all growth. She pointed out that the 111c1ster planning
processing identifies the major facilities that are
needed. She inquired where a developer would go to find
the data wherein the City Council based it determinations
and findings contained in the ordinance. She added that
there ls no quarantee that the City Manager will not go
before the City Council to request an extension of time to
c0111plete the Citywide plan and thereby delay a
developer's project even further. The ordinance does not
address that aspect.
Dan Reed, 16016 Big Springs Way, San Diego, ~alser
Develop111ent C0111pany, addressed the Cofflffllsslon and
highlighted the projects that Kaiser ls involved in at
this tl111e. He pointed out the exorbitant amount through
public facilities fees that the City will lose if their
projects are not permitted by the ordinance. He added
that the projects also provide needed infrastructure to
the cowaunlty, and will also increase the real property
tax valuation. (A copy of a letter was submitted and ls
on file.)
Dave Easterbrooks, 2623 Ocean Street, addressed the
C011aission and stated that he ls processing a slngle-
f•ily h0111e which will be owner-occupied. He request~d
clarlflcatlon whether his project will be exe111pted fr~
the ordinance since he ls requesting a variance. Mike
Holzialller, Planning Director, advised that if the
variance ls for the slngle-faaily holle, it can be accepted
•nd processed. Mr. Easterbrooks encouraged that the
infill projects in his neighborhood be allowed, as they
will have a positive l11pact.
Bernie flpp, President of the Southern division of the
Koll C011pany, addressed the C~lsslon and pointed out the
aubatantlal financial benefits that the City will gain
thrOU1Jh the C lsbad Research Center and added that
recently llena were placed on this project to l11prove
Carlsbad Boulevard through the assessaent district
prooeaa. He urged that lndustrial/coa.ercial projects be
elle11pted.
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Doug Avis, Bieri-Avis Company, addressed the Co11111ission
and requested its consideration to exempt projects which
provide major public improventents. An analysis of these
projects could also be included in the ordinance. He
advised that he is a participant in the Cannon Road
Assessaent District, which recently received approval from
the Ci ty Council to 1110ve ahead. He stated that the
a~proval was to open up Hacario Park which ultimately will
relieve other traffic-impacted roads.
Bob Galloway, representing Kelly Ranch, addressed the
C~ission and appealed the conditions being implemented
by the proposed ordinance. He stated that their project
on the Kelly Ranch has been well planned in accordance
with all of the goals set by the City. He gave the
backgr0<1nd nf the project and listed the financial
benefits this project will have to the City. He requested
that this project be included in the list of exemptions
outlined in the ordinance.
Jack Barnes, 2934 ~ountain View, Laguna Reach, addressed
t he C011111ission and gave the background of their project,
Carlsbad Highlands. He informed that they were the
originators of the Cannon Road Assessment District. He
added that everything is in place for Cannon Road,
including the right of ways and the alignment. This will
be one of the Major East-West arterials of the city, and
requested that their project be allowed to be processed.
Roy Collins, 2175 Ca111inito Del Barco, Del Har, part-owner
of the property at 5963 La Place Court, Carlsbad,
addressed the C011111ission and expressed his frustration
with the proposed ordinance, pointing out that his
develop111ent wi ll be beneficial to the City. He stated
that C011111ercial and industrial projects should be exempted
as it previously was in Ordinance No. 9791, and everyone
should be treated fairly.
Beebe Grosse, representing the Russel W. Grosse
Develop111ent Co., Inc., 5850 Avenida Encinas, Suite A,
Carlsbad, addressed the C011111ission and pointed out that
they have three projects (described in a letter submitted
to the Coiaission) which they are requesting be allowed to
proceed. She stated that everyone is operating in good
faith, and the City should take that into consideration.
(A copy of the letter is on file.)
Andrew Wright, 4330 La Jolla Village Drive, San Diego,
representing Lincoln Property C0111pany, addressed the
C~ssion and pointed out that there are projects in the
pipeline that do not take that lllJch staff tiae;
particularly, the projects which have final or tentative
ups. He stated that the aajority of staff ti11e taken up
with tentative approved and finally approved projects is
taken up by the City's private consultants. He
reca.aended that projects which have obtained a tentative
up be allowed to oontinue to be processed. He further
stated his opposition to the 12-110nth time fra.e given the
City to C011plete the Citywide plan. He felt that six
aonths would be enough tiae.
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Nick Banche, 81 0 Mission Avenue, Suite #2, Oceanside,
representing Mr . Nor dquist, addressed the Connission and
stated t hat the proposed ordinance changes the philosophy
and the goals recently J>dSSed by Ordinance No. 9791. He
added that in Or di nance No. 9791 t he burden was on the
landowner to C0111e up wi th a phasing plan to satisfy the
public facil i ties program; now, the burden is on the City,
Further, the City is qiven 15 years to solve these
probleias. He stat ed that he felt that the City ls trying
to sell t he concept of urban reserve. He inquired what
the criteria was for obtaining an exemption to the
ordinance, and suggested that everyone who qualifies
should be infor111ed of such. He further inquired what
would happen to t hose exemplary projects that involve
Cannon Road, Palo111ar Road, etc. which are projects with
great public benef i t .
Jc1111es [. Erickson, 650 Town Center Drive, Costa Mesa,
attorney representing La Costa Land Company, addressed the
C011111ission and stated that the proposed ordinance was
sOllleWhat confusing. He inquired what was the status of
Ordinance No. 9791 and how it related to this proposed
ordinance. He stated that he has seen no negative
declaration on the environmental impacts the proposed
ordinance wi l l have . He pointed out that low-income
hous ing projects wi ll fflOst likely be built in the new
areas and i nquired what accommodations have been made for
that. He continued t o make various inquiries in regard to
the proposed ordinance such as the reason for the
exe111ptions, how long it will be effective, whether
projects wit~ approved final subdivision maps will be
delayed, and so forth.
Frank Mola, President of La Costa Ranch Company, addressed
the Coaalssion and expressed his opposition to the
proposed ordinance. He pointed out that they are the
largest landowner in t he City and yet they are not allowed
to build one stick. ~ stated that the City should decide
one way or the other in regards to giving exemptions
-either all or none. He pointed out that 111any of the
developers have 11c1de tre111endous financial ~itments, and
he did not understand the purpose of the ordinance. He
stated what we need to be discussing is the quali ty of
life and an orderly fashion of deve lop11ent. He expressed
his pleasure that several Council 111embers were present
tonight to hear the publJ~•~ i nput.
Wenda! Marsh, 650 Town Center Dr ive, Costa Mesa, attorney
representing Hughes North County Associat es, addressed the
C«-ission and stated that their project l s i n a stage
where construction ls about to CXMM1ence. He stated t hat
sinoe they have gotten that far, they should not be
prevented frOII p oceedlng. Me inqui red whether their
proJect oould 1-eceive an exeaptlon. He pointed out that
there la a chau between the govern111en t al agenci es, the
PlaMino Departaent and the developaent COlllfflUnity and he
did not aee the oooperat1on in workinq together with the
developers u 1n other cities, and that a .echaniM needs
to be incorporated wherein all involved sit together and
dlaouaa a plan.
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RECESS
The Plannin9 COlllllission recessed at 7:37 p.m. and
reconvened at 7:48 p.m., with all members present.
r .,
Jennifer Locke, Vice-President of Harry L. Summers, Inc.,
9404 Genesee, La Jolla, addressed the Commission and
expressed her concern with the continuous changes of the
9aine plan since Ordinance No. 9791 was enacted -the
project which were exempted in that ordinance are now not
exe111pted in the proposed ordinance. She stated that she
felt that 111any of the functions involved in the processing
of tentative 111aps Cdn be performed concurrently with the
development of the Ci tywide plan. She also stated that
she felt that the one-year limit given to develop a City-
wide plan is too long.
Joe Sandy, 2892 Jefferson Street, addressed the Co11111ission
and stated that the one-year rnoritorium to develop the
Citywide plan is too long. He listed the various Master
Plans that the City has in place already. He also spoke
regarding the exe111ptions which were given by Ordinance No.
9791 and are now disallowed by the proposed ordinance. He
referred to the letter dated June J, 1986 from the City
Manager to the City Council and suggested that the
exe111ptions which the City Manager is proposing should be
Included in the proposed ordinance. He pointed out that
the attached list frOIII Marty Orenyak, C011111Unlty
Development Director, of the projects in the Northwest
quadrant which would be exempted, was not complete as
various Slllall projects were not listed. However, he
stated that he has been assured by the Engineering
Departaent that they will be exempted.
Chairman Schlehuber announced that the City Council will
be holding a special 111eeting on June 5 to discuss the City
Manager's letter and attach111ents, and to further discuss
the outeo111e of this meeting.
David Resnic, 2111 Paloaar Airport Road, Suite 25, Partin-
Bennett financial Group, addressed the C011111lsslon and
stated that they are willing to cooperate if the ordinance
ls to provide infrastructure. However, he stated that he
felt that thla ordinance will be stopping growth. He
stated that either exe111ptions should be allowed for all
the projects, or no exe111ptions should be given at all. He
spoke on the traffic probletns ln the La Costa area, and
yet PFF funds are just sitting ln the bank. He inquired
why the City dld not solve the l..ediate problell!S rather
than looking at stopping growth. He reiterated that if
the City's intent was to provide for infrastructure, then
they totally support lt1 but this ordinance does not
addrea1 that. He stressed that the~e ls already a park in
Carrillo Ranch that has been dedicated, and they have been
working wlth the City for soae tlae ln developing a plan.
C. S.Uel Blick, P.O. Box 8025, Rancho Santa Fe, attorney
representing TIC lnvestaents or San Diego, addressed the
Coaila1lon and expressed his concern that their project ls
not included as an exeiaptlon in the proposed ordinance.
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Mr. Blick requested that the ordinance be amended tc allow
for the developMent of projects su~ject to industrial/
COl!lllercial final maps. He added that qrowth manage~~nt
ordinances are very uncOlll!IOn, and that the ordinance
should be for the future planning process of future
growth, not to stop the projects which are beinq developed
now. He urged the Co11111ission to recommend to the Council
that this ordinance ls not necessary.
Ben Hillebrecht, 2170 Skyline Drive, Escondido, addressed
the C011111ission concerning his property off of Poinsettia
Lane. He pointed out that he anne~ed his property to the
City to r~ceive guidance dnd help from the City in the
developMent of his property, and now by the proposed
ordinance, he will not be allowed to develop his
property.
Jon Briggs, representing Sanwnis Prop~rties, 2650 Camino
D~l Rio North, San Dieqo, addressed the Conwnissi~n and
gave the background of his project, the Batiquitos Lagoon
Educatio,al Park. He stated that they supported Ordinance
No. 9791 and went forward under the provisions of that
ordinance. Si~ce Ordinance No. 9791 is still in effect,
he questioned what was the status of their project now.
Carlsbad 111ay lose the opportunity to have Batiquitos
Lagoon restored. Carlsbad should be actively seekinq and
trying to obtain and encourage the industries which will
be beneficial to the City. He added that it ls important
to .ake the Citywide plan as broad as possible.
Fred Delaney, 839 W. Harhor Drive, San Diego, addressed
the Ca.nission and gave the background of his project,
Poinsettia Shopping Center, which was previously approved
by the Planning COlllfflission. He urged that
co.-ercial/industrial projects be exempted from the
proposed ordinance.
There being no other person in the audience desiring to
address the Planning COl\aission, Chairman Schlehuber
declared the public hearing closed at 8:12 p.~.
(Letters were also received from S. Elaine Lyttleton,
Arthur Harris and D. Kleirwan expressing their disapproval
with the proposed ordinance.)
COMNISSIOH OISCUSSIOH/QUE.STIONS
Chail'll&n Schlehuber referred to the technical changes to
the growth aan•oeaent ordinance (111e1110 dated June 4, 1986
froa the City Attorney to the Planning COIMlission) and to
the recent lette1 subaitted by the City Manager to the
City Council datt·d June 3, 1986 and requested
olarlflcation. Mike HolZ11iller, Planning Director,
advised that the new ordinance will be in effect on July
20, 1986. He pointed out the Northwest quadrant of
Carlsbad on a wall Map and gave the reasons why the City
MaMger was requesting that that area be ex911Pted.
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In the lengthy discussion that ensued, thP following
proposed changes werP ~Jde to the growth llldnagement
ordinance:
Section 21.90.0SO(e)
C011111lssloner McFadden felt that the sequence of levying
fees ls belated and suggested it be moved forward to when
the tentative maps or final maps are issued.
Mr. Holzmiller stated that almost all the fees that are
collected now, parks, schools, sewer, water, impact, and
public facilities, are collected at the time the building
permit is issued. Dave Hauser, Assistant City Engineer,
further advised that the dralnaoe area fees are paid at
the time of the final map. The park-in-lieu fees are paid
at the time of the final map or are bonded--the developer
does not pay the fees, but enters into a security
aoreetnent which defers payment on it until the building
permit ls issued.
Chalnna11 Schlehuber expressed his concern with requirln9
the pay111ent of fees upon issuance of t~e final llldp. Mr.
Hauser explained that in park-in-lieu fees it is the
option of the developer to come in with a security
aqree111ent; he does not have to pay this fee when the final
map ls tssued.
Section 21.90.130(c)
C~lssloner McFadden pointed out that if the develope~
gets behind in providing the public facilities, then he
will not be allowed to build any further. Her concern ls
that the system ls very interrelated, causlnq all
developers in the particular zone and in other affected
zones t~ stop develop111ent.
Section 21.90.030(c)(3) and (4)(d)
C011111lssloner Mcfadden inquired how m~ny projects were
coverud by these subsections... Hr. Holz,111 Iler responded
that there are 2,474 units covered under subsection
(c)(3), and two projects with 25 units under subsection
(•)(d).
Section 21,90,090(b)
Coaalssloner Mcfadden requested that Cowwlssloner Hall's
previous suggestion that solid waste collection be added
to the Citywide list of facilities be forwarded to the
City Council as a recoaMindatlon fr011 the Planning
Co-Mission. She inquired why schools were not added to
tt.e Citywide list. Hr. Holztlllller explained that the
schools have a 111aster plan which ls not controlled by the
City. However, he added, since schools cannot be
addressed on a Citywide level, they will be addressed at
the loc.11 level. As to the sewer and water facilities,
since there are very li■ited portions that are not City-
controlled, it was felt that these facilities could be
addressed by a Citywide plan. Overall, the City has
control in oonJunction with the sewer and water
dlltricta.
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Conaissioner McBane pointed out various wordings used in
the ordinance that he did not reel were correct, as
r ollows: ( 1) throughout the ordinance, inf' i 11 deve lop111ent
has been encouraged. He f'elt that the City should not
encourag~ infill develop111ent, but rather acc0111110date
infill development; (2) the words "services" and
"facilities: are used interchangedly in the ordinance.
If' they are speaking to the service itself', then that
should be indicated, and not just the physical structure
where the service will .-un through; (3) the words
"services" and "!111provements" are also used
interchangedly. He stated that he did not reel
c0111f'ortable with that; (4) the terms sewer, water, and
pipeline have also been used interchangedly. He pointed
out that the services are necessary to be included in the
ordinance, and not just the physical structure itself.
Hr. Holzmiller stated that staff' will 111c1ke a note of
these suggestions.
CORWissioner McBane requested that energy and
COl'lll"-.lnication systet11s be added t~ the list or facilities.
He inquired why the police service was dropped of'f from
the list. Hr. Holzmiller stated that it was decided by
the 111ajority of' staff' that this service should be handled
adlninistratively. All the other services are measured by
acreage or facility, while the police service is 111easured
by 111c1npower (or level of' service) -which is handled out
of' the operating budget. The number of' police af'f'icers we
have did not f'it in appropriately with the number
detert11ined per thousands of' people.
Hr. Hentschke further explained that reference to services
should have been eli~inated as physical improvement
facilities are structures which provide f'or govern111ental
services. However, it does not provide f'or the people in
those structures. It is just physical things. The
i11proveaents are things that the develo?ing coaa.inity or
the City can physically provide. It would cause legal
problet11s if' the nulllber of' police of'f'icers per develop111ent,
etc., is included in the ordinance and then not followed.
Section Z1.90.1ZO(d)
Coaissioner Mcfadden stated that she felt that a ti,ne
li■lt should be placed on the ti,ne a property owner(s) in
a particular zone ■ust sut.it a plan. Chairman Schlehuber
inquired whether the setting of' a tinie li■lt would hold up
develop■ent in the City if the owner ls not ready to
initiate the plan. Hr. llolz■iller explained that
Coaissioner Mcfadden ls suggesting that if a plan ls not
co■pleted within a certain ti111e li■it, another property
owner will then have the opportunity to prepare and subalt
a plan in that particular zone.
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Section 2 -Finding No. 4
Cowaissioner McFadden suggested that the Planning
COfflfflission recomnend to the City Council to consider
placing a cap on the number of houses which may be built.
Chair111an Schlehuber expressed hls concern with a cap being
placed on this and referred to the Cannon Road extension.
He stated that if a cap is placed on the number of h0111es
that the developer can build out there, this may make it
l111possible for that developer from a realistic standpoint
to build. This would then shut down the ability for the
City to continue on, and who will then pay for the
facilities that the City r.eeds.
Section 21.90.090(c)(2)
Co.wlssloner Marcus stated that she felt that there should
be another provision to review the 5-, 10-, 15-year
phasing schedule. Oan Hentschke, Assistant City Attorney,
pointed out that Section 21.90.130(e) provides that the
City Council shall annually review the Citywide plan at
the time it considers the budget.
In response to questions from Chairman Schlehuber
regarding the phasing schedule, Mr. Holzmiller clarified
that the City presently has a 5-year CIP . The ideal ls if
an overall plan will be developed for the City which will
look at ultimate needs and facilities, then a longer time
period than the 5-year CIP will be better. C011111issioner
McFadden expressed her concurrence with this concept;
especially, ln regard to the future roads that wll l be
needed.
Section 2l.90.050(a)
C~issioner McBane stated that the language ls used in
the ordinance that projects will finance their
proportionate share of whatever infrastructure they use.
He stated that he would like to see some section to allow
the City to identify the entire pool of problems, to
analyze what the infrastructure will be in the aggregate,
rather than in increaents. Chairaan Schlehuber clarified
that the City-wide plan will identify the aqgregate, look
at the possibility of solving the aggregate and then get
into individual areas.
C~lssloner Mc8ane stated he ls concerned specifically
with the portion in the section dealing with fees a
developer will have to pay for illproveinent related to new
developaent. This will not solve the problelllS that exist
today. Mr. Hentschke explain6d that the fee ls intended
to be levied for all new developaent. The reason it ls
written the way it ls, i! to not make any new developaents
p• for soa:body else's probleias. It will be financed out
o' · ·,xiatlng revenues or through other financing aechanlsas
,:i'·kh spreads the cost to the new and existing
d$valopaents1 thereby, avoiding a challenge to the fees
baaed on unfair aaaesS11ent and an unfair spread. The plan
that wlll be prepared will address both the deflclencies
that exist because of old developaent, and incremental
lncreaaes to those deficiencies caused by new developaent.
The fee ls only one of the techniques used to el!Minate
the deficiencies.
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Section 21.90.110(2)
C0111111lssloner McBane noted that the word "capacity" was
used several tiffles in the ordinance to require the
ultimate capacity of a service and stated that the word
should be replaced with "acceptable designed standards".
Section 21.90.125(a)(5)
C~lssioner HcBane inquired whether the payment of fees
vest any rights with the developers. Hr. Hentschke
responded that generally rights are vested upon obtaining
a building permit. Whether a final map vests rights ls a
legal opinion which has not been decided. Generally, the
payinent of fees Itself do not vest rights.
Section 21.90.160(b)
COlll!lissioner McBane requested that the exclusion be
qualified in terms of what or where. Hr. Holzmiller
stated that they will look into that. He explained that
this section ls to ensure that ~ll projects submitted
prior to the submission of the C tlzens' C011111lttee report
to the City Council wlll be processed. However, he stated
that he did not know offhand the exact number of the
projects/units that this section covered. Hr. Hentschke
added that this excluslon does not allow the processing
until the completion of the plans. It's an exclusion
with regard to what standards apply to the consideration
of that tentative 111c1p. This wJll avoid a conflict to the
Subdivision Hap Act.
Section 21.90.0JO(c)
Chairman Schlehuber stated that in the public input
received today, various requests were made that certain
projects which will provide 111ajor public facilities be
exeapted. He stated that he could not support allowing
those projects to proceed on an open-ended basis.
General C01111ents -St11111arlzatlons
In response to a question froa Chalr111c1n Schlehuber, Hr.
Hnlz•lller clarified that if a policy decision ls 111ade to
exmipt certain projects in a particular area, they will be
exeapted whether they were included in Hr. Orenyak's list
or not.
Chalrun Schlehuber stated that there ls a need for this
ordlMnce. He inqui red regarding the [nvlronaiental h1pact
Report for this ordinance. Mr. Hentschke replied that the
Planning Director has assured that this ordinance has
undergone envlronaental illpact studies and a negative
declaration has been issued.
Chalrun Schlehuber pointed that the exeaptlon for non-
profit organizations are listed in the City M.tnager's
letter and stated that he could go along with the Boys and
Clrla Club, but not with Scripps Mellorial Hospital.
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June 4, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION
Hr . Holz•iller responed to various questions rrom the
C011111ission regarding the City Manager's letter, He stated
that he would estimate about four to five projects in the
Northwest quadrant area will meet the July 20th deadline.
As to the CC>Raerclal/lndustrlal projects in the Northwest
quadrant, Hr. Holzmiller stated he did not know the number
which would be ready by July 20.
C011111issloner Harcus stated that she felt that the
ordlnanef', without the suggestions or the City Manager
being lmple111ented, will really shut down the City and a
tre.endous amount of revenue will be lost. She referred
to the 111ajor projects which will provide major public
lmprove111ents, and stated that a lot of these needed
projects will be placed on hold if these exemptions are
not allowed.
Chairman Schlehuber requested that exemptions be allowed
ror ~rcial/lndu~trlal projects throughout the City
that have approvals by July 20th. He dlso inquired
whether the Sat1111is Project, which ls ready to go, could go
ahead with the ~rcial portion of their project (the
project ls a •ix-use of residential and co111111erclal),
assualng they obtain their approvals by July 20. Chairman
Schlehuber gave the reasons why he could not support the
exe111ption to the Hunt Project as suggested in the City
Manager's letter because it ls too preliminary at this
point, and too 111asslve a project.
C~lssloner Mcfadden stated that she felt that there ls a
good chan~ of developing a workable plan for the City.
Staff is going to need sufficient time to develop the
Citywide plan, and a full year may be necessary. Further,
she felt certains exemptions should be considered.
A 110tion was 111c1de to rec011111end to the City Council that
the following be exempted fr0111 the ordinance: (1) the
co.-ercial portion of the Sc111111is Project; (2) the Boys and
Girls ClJbl (3) c0111111ercial and industrial projects in the
pipeline throughout the City approved by July 20, 1986;
and (4) the Northwest quadrant area.
C~issioner Mcfadden urged that the Council look at a
c0111plete list of all the projects that are being proposed
to be exeapted.
C~ssloner Hall referred to an exhibit by Mr. Orenyak,
polntlng out the Kaiser Project was not included. He
inquired what was 111eant by governaent projects. Mr.
Holmiller stated it would be a project such as a school.
C~ssloner Hall requested clarification on No. 8 of an
exhibit to the ordinance. Mr, Holzmiller clarified that
the projects are listed on page 4 of the sa111e exhibit and
it ls a C011plete 11st.
A brief discussion ensued on a suggestion niade by Chair111c1n
Schlehuber that owner-occupied dwelling units, consisting
of two units or less, where the owners and all the aetabers
who intend to occupy the units are blood-related be also
included ln the ordinance as an exeaption. He stated that
he really••• talking about soaething similar to a granny
flat. Mr. Hentschke pointed out the R-1, single-dwelling
units, include granny flats, However, it does not involve
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June 4, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION
,\CTION
The Planning Co11111ission amended the proposed growth
management ordinance to include the proposed exemptions
included in the City Manager's letter dated June 3, 1985;
to include specifically, the Boys and Girls Club, the
Sawais Project -c0111111ercial portion, all cOffllllercial and
industrial projects throughout the City which have their
approvals by July 20, to specifically exclude the Scripps
Memorial Hospital, and to incorporate the comments made
tonight.
The Planning Co11111ission further recommended that the City
Council include a definition ror owner-occupied dwelling
units where the owner intends to occupy all of the
project or a family-relationship--one member be blood
related.
,\00£0 ITEMS ,\NO REPORTS
Planning Ca.nission
C~issioner Holmes requested to lllclke a motion to
reconsider the project of Hr. Brodine, applicant or
project SOP 85-17/V-373, which cante before the Planning
C~ission on Hay 28, 1986. (,\ letter was received by Hr.
Brodine requesting the Commission to make a motion to
reconsider previous action).
Hr. Hentschke confirmed that a motion to reconsider or
rescind previous action ls in order at any meeting. If a
C01111lssloner wants to vote to change his mind, it ls in
order.
,\ 110tlon was -.?de to res cind Commission action of Hay 28,
1986 in the Brodine Mtter -SOP 85-17/V-373 in order to
enable the appl!cant to resublllt the project to the
C~sslon at i ts next meeting ror their denial to give
t he applicant an opportunity to appeal the llldtter to the
City Council.
In the discussion that ensued, it was pointed out that the
Plannin~ C01111isslon could deny the project at this ""'eting
t onight .
The Planni ng C01111lsslon rescinded the prior 1110tion sending
t he Brodi ne Mtter back to the C01111lsslon and denied the
project for the reasons contained in the minutes of the
May 28, 1,86 ~eetlng.
C«-iasloner Mcfadden inforaed that she contacted roraer
C«-laaioner S.l t h t o schedule the outgoing party, and he
hea edvlsed that he will be f r ee on July 30, 31 and ,\ugust
1. The C~ssloners agreed to hold the party on ,\ugust
1, 1986.
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June 4, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION Page 14 COMMISSIONERS
Staff
Mike Holzailler, Planning Director, informed that the
regular 111eeting or the Planning C011111ission scheduied for
June 11, 1986 has been ca~celed.
ADJOURNfoENT
By proper 1110tion, the Meeting or June 4, 1986, was
adjouned at 9:50 p.~.
Respectfully sublnitted,
Planning Director
Elizabeth Caraballo
Minutes Clerk
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MEETINGS ARE ALSO TAPED ~D KEPT ON FILE ~TIL THE MINUTES
ARE APPROVED.
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June 4, 1986
Carlsbad Plann i n g Commission
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad , Cali for n i a 92008
RE: SOP 85-1 7/V-3 73 -Brodine
MOTION TO RECONSIDER
Dear Ch airman Sc hlehube r and Commissione.s:
ARC.A COO!. &t Q
TC LC ~ ... o ... <. 722 •ee
The und ersigned represents applicant, with regard to the
above referenced p r oje ct, and on their behalf respectfully asks
the Conuni :Jsion to move to rescind the previous action taken at its
meeting o f May 28th, a nd to set the matter for reconsideration.
The basis o f the motion is two-fold, the first being newly
discovered e v i dence in the form of a growth control plan which
would result i n a mor atorium concerning the application. The
second is an assertion that there was no evidence existing from
which a conclus i on of "massiveness" could have been made with
regard to t he p r oject.
Since t h e vote was 6 -1 to return for redesign, any member
of the Commiss i on, wi th the exception of the Chairman, could make
a motion to resci n d the previous action, and the matter could be
reset for rehearing at your next regularly scheduled meeting.
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Respectfully submitted,
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NI~HOLAS C. BANCHE -
LAI& O•IICB 01
C. SAMUEL BLICK
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'"11\IIANI<.\ !V<N( H r1..AlA
llANCHO SANTA Ff.. CALIFORNIA 92067
June 4. 1986
Mr. Clarence Schlehuber . Cha1nnan
Planning C011111ission
City of Carlsbad
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad. CA 92008
Re: Carlsbad Oaks (Job No. 7576-M)
Dear Mr. Schlehuher:
LO~ ANG! lU 12131 ~7-4755
OIV<NC.,I 17141 1157-()484
IIIVt R.\10[ 17141 JS0-!>480
This finn has been retained by T & G Investments of San Diego, the owners of
187 acres of property located on the north side of Palomar Airport Road
approximately 1/2 mile east of El Cilllino Real.
Al though this c011111erc i al industrial project is almost completely graded
pursuant to an approved final map and the appropriate pennits. it may not be
exempt from the proposed growth management program, entitled Chapter 21.90
of the Carlsbad Municipal Code. Certainly , this project is the type the
City of Carlsbad would be eager to see completed not only because it has
progressed so far but also due to its c00111itment to improve Palomar Airport
Road.
In an effort to provide public facilities needed by the City and to
establ1st-the necessary tax base created by the development of
cc.nercial/industrial uses, we would encourage the Planning C0111J1ission to
include in the proposed Growth Management Ordinance exemptions similar to
those provided in Ordinance 97-91 adopted by the City Council in January,
1986 . We would specifically urge the Planning Coomission to reconmend the
inclusion of a provision which allows for the development of property
subject to 1ndustrial/coomercial Final Maps regardless of those
discretionary decisions which may be required.
Please consider this request for clllendment to the Growt h Management
Ordinance and if you have any questions, we will be in attendance at the
Planning COllll'lission meeting of June 4, 1986.
Very truly yours,
C. SAMUEL BL I CK
CSB: law
cc: Paul Tchang
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.Aine 4, 1986
City Counc i1 ;
Planning Corrmission;
City Manager;
City of Carlsbad
Re: Elm Avenue Extension -C.T . 83-20
We request that you confirm that we are exempt, or that you exempt us, from
any potential moratorium for finalizing maps or obtaining building permits.
Our map has been entirely approve d by the Engineering Department and Planning
Department and does not require further staff time.
We have made arrangements to purchase the key right-of-way needed and can
proceed quickly to bui ld Elm Avenue, per the agreement we have with the Cfty.
If the project is not exempted, the City risks losing the benefit of a $l ,500,000
capital improvement project, which has been needed for many years.
Kiffmann
HK/he
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RICK ENGINEERING COMPANY I ~~A:~ .. ~~lc~=i~wc~t
3088 PIO PICO OR. • SUITE 202 • CARLSBAD. CA 92008
PO BOX 1129 • PHONE • AREA CODE 619 • 729-4987
Planning Commission
CITY OF CARLSB1\D
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad, California 92008
RE: GROWTH MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE
June 4, 1986
ESTABLISHING THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT PROGRAM
FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD
(CHAPTER 21.9)
Dear Chairman and Members of the Planning Commission:
The following is a list of comments relative the above Ordinance.
There appear to be a number of items in the Ordinance that are
inconsistent with Ordinance 9791 and that were not, in my
opinion, agreed to by the Carlsbad City Council. We agree with
the intent of the Ordinance to some respect, but disagree with
ail umber of the following items:
PAGE FIVE, SECTION 21.90.034 -RESTRICTION OF PHASED FINAL MAPS:
The section of the Government Code referred to in this paragraph
is a recent addition to the Subdivision Map Act that took effect
January 1. It specifically provides for certain extension provi-
sions on large phased projects if there are $100,000 or more of
offsite improvements. The Ordinance, as drafted, specifically is
attempting to eliminate the ability to obtain the extensions as
provided by the new State law. We think this is wrong and that
this seciton should be completely removed from the Ordinance.
PAGE 7, PARAGRAPH 21.90.080 -PERFORMANCE STANDARDS:
We think it needs to be made very clear that, if the City does
not perform their obligation, that fact cannot be a reason for
holding up development in any zone, as currently worded in this
paragraph. The requirement standards should not only be applied
to developers, but also be a strict requirement of the City of
Carlsbad.
PAGB 8, PARAGRAPH C-2:
This p~ragraph makes reference to a 5-, 10-and 15-year phasing
schedule establis hing the timing for installation of public
facilities, etc. This phasing period seems to be extensive. I
think we would all agree that any plan should be flexible and, at
Planning Commission
June 4, 1986
Page Two
this point in time, to say what the 10-or 15-year phasing
schedule is seems to b e unrealistic for planning purposes. We
would suggest that a 5-year phasing schedule be implemented and
that it be reviewed in the third year of each 5-year period. On
the same page, under Paragraph 3-D, there is reference to "the
City Manager s hall pre pare and present the plan to the City
Council no later than one year from the effective date of this
Ordinance." This time period seems exces3ive for the amount of
work req~ired. We would suggest that the timing be reduced to a
maximum of 6 months for the report back to the Council.
PAGE 8, PARAGRAPH 3-E:
The Ordina nce makes reference to "amendments shall be initiated
by action of the Planning Commission or City Council." We think
this needs to be clarified. If it means that a developer or
individual can petition the Planning Commission to make the amend-
ment, we would agr ee with the paragraph. This should be clearly
spelled out.
PAGE 8 -LOCAL FACILITIES MANAGEMENT ZONES:
We agree with the items liste d for the criteria for determining
various zo ne boundaries . We also agree that the zone should be
established by resolution after a public he aring. There probably
should be a section added providing for amendments to the zones
once they are e stablished.
PAGE 9 -CONTENTS OF THE LOCAL FACILITIES MANAGEMENT PLAN:
The Facilities Management Plan shall show 8 listed items that are
necessary to accomodate development (3ewer, water and schools are
listed in addition to five others>. Within the City of Carlsbad,
there are other school districts, along with sewer and water
districts that provide service within our boundaries. There
needs to be a provision added to the Ordinance to recognize exist-
ing master plans by other ser u ice agencies and for the City to
respect those master plans. Also, any defencies in those areas
should not be reason s to hold up development in the particular
zone because a facility provided by a district is not under the
control of the City of Ca rlsbad.
PAGE 15 PARAGRAPH 3:
We fin~ it hard to believe that the Council or t~~ Planning
Commission can make a finding that the demand for public services
and facilities has outpaced t he supply and that the Council has
determined that these shortages are detrimental to the public
health, safety a nd welfare of the citizens of Carlsbad when, at
the same time, the City of Carlsbad staff has estimated a
year-end total of about $12 million of unenc umbe red f unds. We
Planning Commi ssion
June 4, 1986
Page Three
f ind it hard to under s t a nd that, on one hand, the Ordinance is
saying that the fac i lities have outpaced the supply when, on the
other hand, t here a re unencumbered funds that could be used to
solve some of t he shor t ages supposedly identified.
We would suggest tha t t he exemptions to the Ordinance be expanded
to include tho se exempt ions in the original Moratorium Ordin~nce
9791.
These are our comme nts. We ask that the Planning Commission con-
sider these c hanges . We would be happy to answer any questions.
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Sincerely,
-&1--
R ob er t C. Ladwig
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INOUSTAIAUCOMMEACIAL SOUTHWEST
June 3, 1986
To Chainun and eo-issionera
of th• Carlabad Planning Comaisaion
City of Carlsbad
1200 !la Avenue
Carlsbad, California 92008
Ile: Proposed Growth Hanageaent
Dear Chainun and Co-issionera:
Kaieer Development Coapany and The Koll Company are deeply concerned with aoae
unintended iapacte in the proposed Growth Management Ordinance in Carlsbad. Tb•
Koll Co11pany ia presently developing the Carlsbad Research Center and Kaiaer ia
developing the Carlsbad Oaks Business Park. In addition, Kaiser's hoa• office
for all of ita operations in the Southwestern United States is located in
Carlsbad and will be houaed in the new Kaiser Center-Carlsbad coaplex nov under
construction on Paloaar Airport Road.
Our coapanies heartily support the preparation of a growth manageme~t plan and
the concurrent develop .. nt of a comprehensive facilities plan. We recognize that
the City .. y have difficulty conducting current City business and aillultaneoualy
preparing the plans. We also recognize th~: it is difficult to evaluate
developaent plans and proposals until a growth management plan is fonrulated. We
believe, however, that the City muat recognize substantial financial comaitaenta
ude in conjunction with c011111ercial/industrial projects and the planned benefit•
the City and the commnity will derive fr0111 the timely completion of the project•
baaed on prior City approvals. Resources are available to help the City acquire
additional staff as a preferred alternative to a total work stoppage which
alternative would protect the City's interests and those of the
ca...rcial/industrial c011mUnity.
In any event the work stoppage associated with the proposed Growth Management
Ordinance has not and ahould not be applied to planned coaaercial/induatrial
activity. Th• exeaptiona in the original Interim Moratorium Ordinance (No. 9791)
are baaed on the belief that such activity: 1) provides needed eaployaent;
2) pays for its fair share of government service coats; and 3) provides surplus
A Wholly Owned Su~ldlary of Kalaer Aluminum & Chemical Corporation
2121 PALOMAR AIRPORT ROAD. SUITE 201. PO BOX 308. CARLSBAD. CALIFORNIA 92008-0060 TELEPHONE: (619) 438-2636
MNCt10 ~ ~All KAl HIIIIAalJI CbfTl.fl OllltLAHi>. CAAN!>USTR\Al. I\NO COMMEACW. ""°"~WUnAN STATU/llAl9VI AlUMINUII AEAl ESTATIE ,~ITIQ,WOAUIIWIOE
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Carlabad Planning C01111ission
June 3, 1986
Paa• Two
revenue• to pay for City facilities and community programs. These reasons hold
true today. Stopping comnercial/industrial development will cause visual and
other probln• by leaving quality projects and related public improvnente only
partially graded and built and further will irreparably dam.a1e the City's high
quality econoaic developaent program. Quality clean industry currently
conaidering Carlsbad vill decide to locate elsewhere if needed facilities and
conatruction expansion programs are prevented.
In order to uintain the high quality industrial and c01m11ercial comaunity in
Carlabad, the processing and issuance of specific plans, tentative and final
1Ubdivi■ion upa, induatrial and site development plans, building peraHs and
occupancy peraita for industrial and commercial projects must continue. The
aac,unt of City ataff time involved in these projects will not significantly
interfere vith progress on the citywide facilities and management plans.
We aincerely eek that you allow quality coanercial and industrial projects to
continue to be proceaaed, built and occupied and we offer our essistance in
achievin1 workable aolutions to the challen1es facing the City.
Sincerely,
ltaiaer Developaent Company
and
The loll Coapany
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S. ELAINE LYTTLETON
4872 Alondr• W.v
C•rlsb•d, CA 92008
(619) 438-2059
C.rlb•d CitY Council & Pl•nnin• ColMlission
1200 Elin Av•nue
C•rl1b•d, CA 92008
I h•v•n ✓t h•d a lot of •~"•ri•nc• with th• ll'lannin• ll'roc••••
c•rtainlv not •nou•h to hav• all th• ans••rs. I do hav• a lot of
~u•1tion1 thou•h• on•• I think th• Co1Mni11ion •nd th• Citv
Council should find out th• an•w•r• to.
As ,-,.vor Casl•r fltoint•d out r•c•ntlv, th• far r•achin•
i•ll'lications of the fltroll'os•d Growth Mana••••nt Pl•n r•~uir•
consid•rable study bY st•ff, the C01Nti11ion, and CitY Council
b•for• •nY d•cisions should b• mad•.
Pl•••• tist•n carefully to our ll'lann•rs, consid•r th• various
fltoints of vi•w of the fllublic, and r••••b•r that for ev•ry action
th•r• is an Oll'fltosit• and •~ual reaction. Will th• 0ll'll'osit• and
•~u•l reaction to anv •ction YOU tak• on this tMtt•r b• ll'ositiv•?
Mv ~u•1tion1 ar• in r•f•renc• to Draft• 5130/86 1•30 11'.m. <I•
th•r• a 3145 ..... v•rsion "•rh•II'~?)
P•. 2, ••ction 21.90.010, (b) ud•tMnd for fltublic ••rvice5 and
faciliti•• has out,-ac•d th• SUll'll'lv resultinw in ~hort•••• in
faciliti•s ••• "
<c> "to •nsur• th•t no d•v•loll'~•nt
occurs ~ithout ad•~uat• ll'ublic ••rvic•s and faciliti•••••"
(d) "ll'rohibitin• d•v•lofitm.nt until
ad•~u•t• fltrovisions for th• fllublic faciliti•• and ••rvic•• ar•
mad• bv d•v•loll'•rs ••• "
Qu•1tion11 WhY hav~ ••rvic•• not k•ll't fltac• with d•v•loll'•ent?
Oon ✓t d•v•loll'ers now hav• to ll'&Y • ll'ublic faciliti•• f•• <PFF>
b•for• d•v•loll'ment starts, to ll'av for th••• ••rvic••? Ho• can
the develo,-•r• th•r•fore b• at fault? Is it ru• that the citv
is 1ittin• on •or• than •15 •illion dollars in PFF'1, h&vin• not
v•t built th• faciliti•• that the dev•loll'ers have alreadv fllaid
for? Is th• lack of faciliti•• th• citv'• fault?
~roc••••d or .,. .. ~v•d until after th• ado.-t~ of the citYwid•
faciliti•• and t. r-ov•••nts .-lan."
Qu•stion• C..n is b• a••uM•d that th••• local .-lans will be
d•v•lo,.ed concurrentlY with the citywide .-lan?
P•. 7, ••ction 21.90.090, (b) Enu••rates facilities.
Qu•1tion1 Whv aren't •chool1 included? They ar• includ•d in th•
next ••ction 21.90.100.
S•ction 21.90.090, (&) "Th• .-lan ~hall encour••• infill
develo.--•nt and reduce the erowth inducin• i•.-act of .-reaature
extension of .-ublic facilities to und•velo.-•d areas•
Questions• If we were startin• with a blank .... that would be
workable. How do w. .-ro.-o•• to infill when •o a&Y areas of the
citv are develo.-ed in all four ~uadrants? Do•• this .-reclud• th•
d•velo.-aent of a lar•• und•v•lo.-•d area even if a bi• develo .. er
.-tans a really wood .-roJect includinw &11 the ~ublic facilitt••
.-lann•d for the ar•a?
P•. 8, (d) "T~• City M&n&wer •hall .-re.-are and .-re•ent the .-tan
to the Citv Council not later than one v•ar fro• the effective
date of thi• ordinance."
Questions• What are the .-otential ne•ativ• ia.-act• of a one vear
aoratortua , both for the city and its citizens? Will th• .. ublic
facilities ne•d•d now still be built? Will the f••• usuallv
••nerated fro• develo.-er1 ••riouslv de.-let• the citv's coffers?
Wi11 the business cornmunitv 1uffei'? Will housin• costs sky
rock•t?
P"• 12, ••ctif'n 21.90. 130, (c) "If Council deter11in•• that a
d•fic i •ncv exists then no further bui1din• or deve1o .... nt .-errnits
shall b• issu•d ••• •
Question•• What &bout .-ub1ic f&ci1iti•• that th• citv h•• no
Jurisdiction over such•• water &nd schools? Won't this create a
C..tch 22 situation for th• d•velo.-er?
Vours trulv,
s. Elain•
/SEL
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5850 Avenida Encina\, Suit, A Carlsbad, California 92008 Phone 619/438-3141
June 4. 1986 ,.
~ Members of the Planning Comm1ss1on
C1ty of Carlsbad "111 1986 r ·,.-... ,..'f) 1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad. CA 92008
Members of the Planning Commission:
With respaect to your continued public hearing item ZCA-193 (Growth
Manage11ent Program}, we would urge the Planning C0111T11ssion to exempt
all c0111nercial and industrial projects. In the event that the COfllllission
feels that processing all conwnercial and industrial projects would be
too great a burden for the Staff to carry as well as the workload of
preparing the Citywide Facilities and Improvement Plan, we urge the
Planning COlllffl1ss1on to exempt those projects for which all processing
has occurred except issuance of a building permit. The processing of 1
building pen111t requires less input from in-house staff members as the
bulk of the plancheck1ng is performed by outside plancheckers. The
above would allow the following two projects(as well as others} to proceed:
1. Our 9 unit condominium project 180-19 {Maple Avenue Townhomes),
for which al l governmental approvals have been obtained, including
recordation of Final Map and Coastal Permit;
2. Our hotel and dinner-theatre playhouse ISDP-83-11 (Palomar Place},
which has obtained all of its permits including recordation of Final
Map and Coastal Permit. All off-site improvements have been c0111pleted
as well as the first phase development. which consists of McDonalds and
Marie Callender's restaurants. This project has been through building
depart111ent planchecking and a permit wa~ obtainable; due to financing
difficulties at that t111e, a delay 1n obtaining I permit occurred.
Lower interest rates have ,,nabled the tenant for the hotel and dinner-
playhouse to obtain financ ·lng now, and plans have been resuhllitted to
the Building Departaent for plancheck.
We would further urge the Planning Commission to exet11pt housing developi1ents
which constitute Minor Subdivisions. If this is not acceptable, we would
urge the Planning C0111ission to exempt housing projects, the owners of which
can certify that they personally intend to occupy the premises that are
being constructed. This is 1n keeping with the present intent of the
drafted 110r1torium to exet1pt owner-occupied housing. Please refer to the
1tt1ched letter of explanation dated May 30, 1986 addressed to Marty Orenyak.
Thank you for your consideration.
Sincerely yours,
Contractors License No. 378383
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Marty Orenyak
City of Carlsbad
3200 Eht Ave.
Carlsbad, CA 92008
Dear Marty:
urlsbid, C11iforni1 92008 -: . Phone 619/438-3141
It ts our understanding that staff will be recommending that applications for
owner occupied, single family residences will be excluded from the effect of the
110st recently proposed 110ratorium. Rusty ~nd J and my parents have just recently
purchased two 25 ft. beach lots. We have, after a great deal of study, detenwined
the site would be ■ore efficient if the units could be stacked with each unit
being basically on one floor. Part of this decision was made because~ father
is legally b11nd1 and --.y aother suffers from severe arthritis.
Stnce tt requires I consoltdatton of two lots tnto one lot and ts tn essence an
airspace condoni1ntUTll, we do not technically qualify as an owner occupied single
f1~tly project even though we are only building two untts on two extsting lots.
If your reccaaend1tton for exemption could be broadened to read as follows :
Owner occupied dwelling units of two units or less where the owners intend
to occupy 111 of the units tn the project
tt would cover our sttuatton which ts certainly within the sptrtt of presently
cont111Pl1ted ext111Pt1on. We have filed all the necessary app11cattons to proceed
through the C1ty with thts project, and 1t ts designated as ■tnor sub-d1v1s1on f73S.
We would appreciate he1rtng froni you regarding the above.
Sincerely yours.
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Contractor, Liunlt' No. 378383
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Planning Commission
CITY OF CARLSBAD
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad , CA 92008
CARLSBAD. CALIFORNIA 92008
June 4, 1986
RE: PROPOSED GROITH MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE PROGRAM
FOR THE CITY OF CARLSBAD DATED 5/30/86
The Chamber of Commerce bas reviewed in depth the draft
Ordinance being considered by the Commission this evening, and
offers the following points for your consideration. We would
request that this letter and our comments be specifically
included in and forwarded to the City Coun~il with your final
recommendations.
(619) 729-5924
The Chamber endorses the concepts of sound, long-range
pla nning, and of growth management programs that are designed to
ensure that needed public facilities are identified and installed
prior to, or concurrent with need. To this end we have, and
continue to support the recommendations of the Citizen's Land Use
Committee and the intent behind Ordinance 9791. However, we are
concerned that perhaps the City has lost sight of where we are
going. The Ordinance under consideration, while it is an
admirable attempt at dealing with an extremely complex set of
interrelated problems, is in our opinion, flawed in several
respects .
l e believe that the Council's direction on May 27, 1986 was
prima rily aimed at removing development pressure from City staff
s o a s to provide them additional time to develop and refine this
Or d i na nce, but it was not intended to fundamentally ''change the
r ules of the game" in mid-stream. The Ordinance as prepared,
however, has a very limited list of exemptions. We do not think
t ha t it wa s the intent of the Council to limit non-residential,
c ommercia l a nd industrial, and the other types of projects now
exe mpted under Ordinance 9791. Because 9791 was unanimously
adopted by the Council and endorsed by not only the general
co111Dunity , but also by the development industry, we would
s t r ong ly reco111Dend tha t this Ordinance include as exemptions all
of t hose previously adopted under 9791. Aleo, this Ordinance
should include a specific list of those projects that are in fact
to be exempted. This list should identify those projects by
name, Ca rlsbad Tr act No., etc.
Planning Commission
Page 2
June 4, 1986
The Chamber also endorses the inclusion of a specific and
detailed set of City-wide performance standards as a part of any
growth management program. While we recognize that this will
take time to develop and refine, once they have been adopted by
the City, these standards should not be able to be reduced with-
out either a 4/5 vote of the Council or a vote of the people,
Additionally, the standards need to apply not only to developers,
but also to the City where they have the responsibility for
providing for certain facilities. It would seem unfair to bold
back development in a certain zone simply because the City bas
not performed its requirements. Our review of the City's finan-
ces reveals that at the end of the 1985-86 fiscal year, the City
will have unencumbered funds estimated at 12 million dollars and
another 11,3 million dollars during fiscal 1986-87, or a total of
23.3 million dollars. Of this sum, only 8 million dollars has
been appropriated, leaving approximately 15,3 million dollars in
unencumbered funds that would be available for capital projects
i.e. La Costa Boulevard., Palomar Airport Road bridge, etc. As
we have repeatedly suggested for the last 1 1/2 to 2 years, the
City should retain a professional, full-time Projects Manager to
see that the funds that have been previously collected from the
developers are in fact timely spent, and that the improvements
are installed.
le also believe that the ability to make amendments to any
growth management plan that is finally adopted by the City should
be limited, similar to the limits on the number of amendments
that may be made to the General Plan. Additionally, we would
suggest that any such amendments require a 4/5 vote of the
Council.
Another major area of concern is that any growth management
ordinance that is adopted needs to provide a workable structure
to guide the identification and timing of installation of needed
public facilities, while maintaining sufficient flexibility so
that not only the current and future Councils, but also the
development community can timely respond to changing economic,
social or unanticipated needs or pressures that arise in the
future. In Section 21,90.090(2) it provides for a 5-10-15-year
phasing schedule aimed at the timing of installation or provision
of public facilities and services in relation to the amount of
development activity within a given area, Unless this concept is
better defined, we are afraid it will become inflexible and
unbending and will be detrimental to the overall program. If a
long-term phasing schedule is to be retained, then the Ordinance
needs to more specifically detail what type of planning or
development, if any, can occur within these zones during each of
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June 4, 1986
these periods. Also, if the needs of the City at some time in
the future require the development of property within an area
that has not been scheduled for development for 10 or 15 years
from now, there should be a way that the phasing schedule can be
modified.
le also feel that it would be appropriate to make specific
reference in the Ordinance to the recent ordinances adopted by
the Council reducing residential density, including Ordinance
9794, and the new definitions of open space.
Another observation that we make is that the Local Facility
Management Plans require a showing as to how and when certain
facilities and improvements are to be installed, including faci-
lities over which the Council has no specific or direct control,
i.e. schools. le would suggest that either a reference to these
types of facilities be deleted, or that the Plan acknowledge that
the decision by such other districts will be binding and accepted
by the City, and will not be a reason for finding that a project
does not comply with a Local Facility Management Plan. To do
otherwise, would be to create a "Catch-22" out of which there
would be no exit.
Finally, the draft Ordinance proposes that the staff be
given a year to prepare the implementing ordinances. le believe
that even if the proposals as set forth above dealing with exemp-
tions are adopted, the entire process can be accomplished in no
more than six months. le would therefore urge that Section
21.90.090(d) be modified to require that the plan(s) be prepared
and become effective no later than six months from the effective
date of this Ordinance.
These are our comments at this t i me. le recognize that this
is an e~tremely complex and difficult Ordinance to review, anal-
yze and digest on such short notice, but it is of critical impor-
tance to the City and its long-term economic welfare that this
matter be iD1Dediately forwarded to the Council for their
consideration on June 17.
Thank you for your consideration of these suggestions.
SML:ck
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Carlsbad City Council
Planni ng Canmieeion
City of Carlsbad
City He.ll.
Elm Street
Carlsbad, CA 92008
Ladies and Gentlemen:
Re:
June 4, 1986
This ie to advise you that I vigorously object to the above
Ordinance, as proposed. However, I would support, with
reluctance, Ordinance No. 9791, as origina.l.ly submitted.
Sincerely,
FIRST DARTHROB
Harrie
7233 Plaza de La Costa
Carlsbad, CA 92008
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Shellfish Spec,alisrs
HAND DELIVERED
Mr. Clarence H. Sc h lehube r
Chairperson
Planning Commiss i on
City of Carl sbad
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad, CA 92008
Dear Mr. Sch lehuber:
June 4, 1986
Re: Commercial Pro j ects a nd Growth Management
A Roadsid e S tand for Shellf ish.
Mailing Address
P.O. Box 1540
Carlsbad, CA 92008
Phone (619) 438-2444
The following reiterates and expands our views presented to the
City Council s ome months ago, when a moratorium on development was
discussed.
As we u nderstand the s ituation, the City has recently experienced
rapid growth a nd is concerned that public facilities may not keep
pace with dema nd. Growth (to us) means a population increase,
either in numbers a nd/or density. Such growth adds to sewer,
water, trash, a nd other utili ty services. It also creates greater
demands on existing roads, r e creational facilities, schools, and
other public fac i l i t i es. Publ i c safety departments also face
additional d emands.
The apparent i n ten t of the development moratorium is to give the
City a "breather " while it studies the perceived impacts and
determines how best t o "handl e" or mitigate the impacts. We do
not believe t hat it was the Cit y's i ntent to curtail economic
development; i.e., busine ss a nd industrial changes and expansion.
Yet, a total develop ment moratorium would indeed stop those activ-
ities which lead t o greater em ployment with an increased tax
revenue, which is normally a ne t economic gain to the City. That
is to say, commercial de ve lopme nt increase s the City's revenues
and does not cause proportio nal inc r eases i n public s e rvices.
We at Seafarms West have, f o r s ome time, been seeking approval for
a small roadside stand to sell t he pr oducts t hat we grow in the
Agua Hedionda Lagoon. Al l of our pla nni ng has shown that our
proposal is very compatible with land uses , the expans ion of
Carlsbad Boulevar.d, and the desir es o f the land owner (SDG&E). It
would also appear to be most fitting f o r t he City's desir e fo~ a
village atmosphere, with an emphasis on the uni que .
Farm Location -Agua Hedlonda Lagoon, Carlsbad, Cellfornla
Mr. Clarence H. Schlehuber
June 4, 1986
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Unfortunately, we are about to be caught up in a planning exercise
which was not originally directed at our type of activities. Our
very modest roadside stand will not impact schools, sewers, water
supplies, and many other public services. We may generate a few
more traffic trips and require some parking spaces, but we will
also add to the City's economic well-being and help create the
uniqueness so much desired by the City.
Please consider the adverse impact to business and the subsequent
economic impact to the City if normal business expansion is
curtailed. At a minimum, the business projects which can be shown
to have little or no impact on public services should be allowed
to proceed.
Thank you for your consideration.
RDG:lw
cc: Planning Commissioners
Mayor
Council Members
Planning Director
,,City Atto1ney
✓city Clerk
Sincerely,
Richard D. Glenn, Ph.D.
President and Farm Manager