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MeetlnQ of: PLANNING COMMISSION
6:00 P.M. Time of Meeting:
Date of Meeting: August 13, 1986
Place of Meeting: CJty Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
The ReQular Meetlna was called to order by ChaJ rman
Schleh~ber at 6:01 p.m.
PL[DC[ or ALL[CIANC[ was led by Chairman Schlehuber.
ROLL CALL:
Present -Chairman Schlehuber, C<>11111lssloners
McFadden, Hall, Marcus, McBane, Holmes and
Schra"'".
Absent -NonP.
Staff Members Present:
Charles Grl11111, Assistant Plannlna Olrector
Dave Hauser, Assistant City Engineer
Dan Hentschke, Assistant Clty Attorney
Hike Howes, Senior Planner
Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer
Adrienne Landers, Assistant Planner
Cary Wayne, Senior Planner
PLANNING C°"'4ISSION PROCEDURES
Chairman Schlehuber reviewed the Planning Col!lllission
procedures followed In public hearings for the benefit of
the audience.
AGENDA ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR ITEMS TO BE CONTINUED
A request was made frOIII staff to continue item No. 6 to
the next reaular meetina (AuQust 27, 1986).
Chainnan Schlehuber inquired whether there was anyone in
the audience desiring to speak on this item. A Qentleman
In the audience Indicated that he could return to the
next regular 111eetinq If the C011111isslon continues this
i tetll.
The Planning COlllllllssiWl continued Item No. 6 -CPA/LU 86-7/
ZCA-197 -CITY ll' CARLSBAD -Amendments to the General
Plan and Zoning Orctinance to create a land use designa-
tion and zone for the ATISF Railroad Right-Of-Way and
the 1-5 rreeway.
CONTINUED PU8l.lC HEARINGS:
1) GPA/LU 86-4 -CITY OJ CARLSBAD -A General Plan X111endaent to .-end the land Use Element to Include
the encourag~nt of childcare In the ~nlty as a
goal of the General Plan. (Continued fr011 the
111eetJng of July 30, 1986)
Hike Howes, Senior Planner, ga~e a brief re~Jew of the
above ltewi and Introduced Adrienne Landers who will be
gh ln9 the presenta Ion oo thls lte111.
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Ms. Landers, Assistant Planner, gave the background and
analysis on the proposed General Plan Amendment as
contained in the staff report. The proposed goal, in
confor111ance with all other ele,nents of the General Plan,
as well as the Zoning Ordinance, will benefit the
COIIIIIIUnity by recognizing the cOIIIIIOn need for child care
and atte111pting to reduce the growing shortage of child
care in Carlsbad.
Chalrt11an Schlehuber lnqulred on the background of the
s tatlstlcal prof ll.e contained In the staff report. Ms.
Landers pointed out that the report was COIIIJ>lled by the
Childcare Resource Service which ls affiliated with YMCA
and funded by tM State. They received their data frOIII
lnfor111c1tlon gatheL~d from SAHOAG and the Census Bureau.
She further responded that the data dealt with licensed
child care providers only.
Chairt11an Schlehuber declared the public hearing opened at
6:10 p.M. and issued the invitation to speak.
Dan Sherlock, 3741 Monroe Street, Director of the Carlsbad
Boys and Girls Club, addressed the Co.aission in support
of the proposed .-end11ent and enlightened the C011111ission
further on the child care situation in Carlsbad. He gave
the definitJ.on of a "latchkey" child. He pointed out that
there are seven exempt facilities in town with 337 spaces.
Of those spaces, about l<K are vacant at all ti111es. He
gave brief statistical lnfor111atfon regardlnq the Sca111pers
progrant.
Margie Cool, 2510 lkllcornlo Street, addressed the
C<>Ralsslon and read a statement into the record opposing
the General Plan .-endlllent because she feels that the
goal ls not consistent with the existing goals of the
Land Use Ele■ent. (The statement ls on file with the
Clerk.)
Hap L'Heureux, President of the Carlsbad Challlber of
Cc,-erce, addressed the Ca.wisslon ln opposition to the
General Plan aaendllent. He stated that he concurred with
the state■ents 111ade by Ms. Cool, and pointed out that
this ls a social service issue and not a land use issue.
He stated that although 111any of the people in the
business ~nity endorse the language and the concept
of child care, there are a lot of questions in their
■inda on what the inclusion of thls goal will entail. He
suggested that the Coaission recor.aend a huaan service
ele■ent to the General Plan be created that addresses not
just the day care issue but other social ltellS as well.
Mae Johnson, 7227 Mi■osa, representing the League of
loaen Voters, North Coast, San Diego County, addressed
the Coaission in support of the General Plan .-endlllent
and read a state■ent into the record listing the various
aspects of Child Care supported by the League of Woaen
Voters of San Diego County. (The state■ent ls on file
with the Clerk.)
Doris Lipaka, representing Childcare Resource Service,
1a,3 Ca11Pesino Place, Oceanside, addressed the C~lsslon
and lnforaed that they are the service which prepared the
statistical profile included in the staff report. She
gave a brief history regarding their agency and stressed
that child car~ neflds to be seen as an essential service
in any ooaunlty.
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Ms. Llpska pointed out the various obstacles that day
care centers face and subsequently are discouraged from
proceeding. She emphasized that this goal ls a land use
Issue as child care facilities reoulre space --space
which ls not available because of the excessive land
costs. She concluded by stating that the Childcare
Resource Service would be glad to provide the Connlsslon
with the resources and lnformat Ion avallable to them on
this issue.
Ms. Llpska responded to \·arious questions posed by
Chairman Schlehuber reqarding the statistical profile and
Informed that they have available and will provide the
C011111lsslon a national study done by Sandra Burud wherein
various companies were surveyed wherein lt was noted in
some cases that reduced absenteeism resulted from the
provision of child care by the employer. Connlssioner
McFadden noted that the Dana[. Friedman report included
in the staff t·eport also addresses that particular issue.
Peggy Blush, Director of Pilgrim Children's Center,
Pilgrim Congregational Church, addressed the Connisslon in
favor of the c1111endment. She stressed that there ls a
de111c1nd for child care services In Carlsbad, and expressed
her concern that because of the lack of licensed day care
centers, many of the children end up In homes that are not
licensed. She concurred with Ms. Lipska that there ls no
space available for child care centers because of the high
costs involved, and pointed to Children's World as an
example -they have been actively looking for property for
three years now.
In response to C011111issioner Marcus, Ms. Rlush informed
that their center ls licensed for 80 children, and there
are 25 children on a waiting 11st presently.
Camille Mltkevlch, 1Hi40 Trieste Drive, Carlsbad,
representing the Soroptomlst International and the Famll)
Services of San Diego Count) (Oceanside/Carlsbad Office),
addressed the Coaisslon in favor of the .-iendment and
pointed out that the child care issue is a land use,
econ<>111lc and social i~~ue. She pointed out a parent's
work perforaance ls closely tied to the quality of child
care available in the Cl t)' and stressed the need for
facilities geared to Include children In every age
category and in close proximity and n.:!etlng the health
n~eds of sick children.
Ms. Mitkev lch concluded by statinq that the f amlly
Services has a program ready for use to counsel couples
and single parents to identify the child care specific
needs and the child care resources.
There being no other person In the audience desiring to
add1·ess the Coaisslon on this matter, Chairman
Schlehuber declared the public hearlnq closed at 6:35
p,11,
Coalssloner McFadden lnoulred why the C~lsslon could
not consider the rec~ndatlons contained In the staff
report beyond deciding whether to approve the General Plan
aaendlllent or not. Chalr■an Schlehuber further Inquired oo
the reasons why st~ff was proposing that this goal be
included In the Land Use Element of the General Plan.
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Ms. Landers explalnec1 t hat staff ft>els 1t Is important to
establish this as a Citywide goal ln the General Plan.
Staff does not kno• specifically what the needs
are, and could not 111ake any specific recot1111endatlons other
than to Include the ooal In the General Plan. Ho•ever,
staff does hope t~at the Planning Commission will make a
rec0191endation to the City Council to establish a task-
force who can 111ake specific reconwnendatlons following a
needs assessment.
Dan Hentschke, Assistant Cit) Attorney, added that by
including the child care goal in the Land Use [lement of
the General Plan, the Con111lssion ls establishing a policy
for the physical development of the child care facilities.
There ls no question as to the legality of placing this
policy in the Land Use [lement and ls entirely
appropriate.
COfflfflissloner Mcfadden rec~nded that the Commission
consider all the reco11111endatlons contained in the staff
report. She pointed out a correction to Recommendation
"B". The last sentence reads " •.• to reconwnend and
itnplement policies ... to the Counc 11". She stated It
should be reworded t o read " .•. to rec011111Cnd the
h1plementinq policies ... to the Council". The Conwnisslon
and staff concurred with this correction.
C01N11issloner Mcfadden co11111entcd that she sa• the City's
role as the facilitator and coordinator to get all of the
fraQ111Cnted child care units functionino to offer alternate
options for the City's residents.
C011111issloner Mcfadden suggested that another
rec011Rendatlon be added to the list of reco11111endatiuns as
follo•s: "J. [stablish childcare benefit options for
111Unlclpal e111ployees such as, flex hours, Job sharing,
vendor voucher, custodial child care and the like in the
e11ployees benefits package." The suggestion ls to Join a
child care consortium with other businesses to institute
an accessible child care facility.
Coaissloner Holaes added that the City should not
,·verlook a ~ans of startlnq child care financially by
attaching a condition to a business license --businesses
should have their fair financial share in the provision of
child care.
In the dlscusslon that ensued wherein ~arlous
C~1ssloners expressed their support of the c1111endllent,
Chair.an Schlehuber stated that although he deflnltel)
supports the .-.endaent, he could not support
Reco.aendations "8" -"J" until Rec<M1Rendatlon "A" -a
forNl needs aaseas111ent -ls CU111Pleted.
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The Planning COllllllsslon recommended approval of the
Negative Declaration and adopted the following Resolution
rec011111Cndinq approval of GPA/LU 86-4 to the Cit} Council
based on the flndlnqs contained therein, and further
reconmending to the City Council Reco11111endatlons "A" -
"J":
RESOLUTION NO. 2572 R[COM4E.NOING APPROVAL ~ AN AHENOHENT
to mt ttxt or mt LANO USE ELEMENT Of THl GENERAL PLAN
BY THE ADDITION Of WORDING TO ENCOURAGE TH[ [STABLISHHENT
OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES AS A GOAL Of THl GENERAL PLAN.
(A co111111Unlcatlon from Carol HcCart opposing the amendment,
Resolution No. 3-8687 from the Carlsbad Unified School
District supporting the amendment, and a co11111Unlcatlon
noting a phone call from Kath} Riqgers from North Coast
YHCA supporting the a111endment are on file with the Clerk.)
RECESS
The Planninq C011111isslon recessed at 6:50 p.m. and
reconvened at 6:53 p.m.
2) GPA/LU 86-6 -CITY Of CARLSBAD -A General Plan
A111endment to revise the General Plan designation on
properties which have Inappropriate desianations.
(Continued from the July 30th meeting)
Hike Howes, Senior Planner, gave the presentation on this
itet11 as contained in the staff report and described the
location of the subject property with the aid of a map.
Hr, Howes gave the background of the Co11111lsslon's previous
action on this 111c1tter and the reasons that staff ls
rec~ndlng a General Plan c1111endment from R.,.. to RM as
contained in the staff report.
C01aissioner McBane inquired wh> it would not be 1110re
appropriate to consider this land use as part of the
Master Plan analysis for La Costa. Mr. Howes e~plalned
that the Master Plan analysis going on right now is Just
considering the undeveloped portions of the La Costa area
that are 011ned by the La Costa Ranch Company. At the time
that the La Costa Master Plan revisions hegan, this
property was and ls not now owned by the La Costa Ranch
C0111Pany. Staff ls just looking at the large undeveloped
acreages, There are a nu111ber of smaller vacant parcels
throughout La Costa that are not included in that stud},
Chair.an Schlehuber declared the continued public hearing
opened at 7:05 P••· and Issued the invitation to speak.
Tl~ Roberts, representlnq the La Costa Ranch C0111pan), 6994
El C•lno Real, Suite 202, addressed the C01111ission and
advised that he was here as the ~nity developer in the
La Costa area, and as the banker involved In the sub.feet
property. He gave the reasons why he is requesting the
Coaisslon to continue this niatter for an additional two
unths at which tl11e the La Costa Ranch C0111pany will have
full title to the subject propert) .,nd can full) represent
this property at a public hearing and possibly work out a
sensitive design with staff. (The current propert} owner
was not present to represent the property.)
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Hr. Roberts added that another reason they request this
delay ls that the La Costa area ls presently undergoing a
Master Plan revision which will hopefully be in front of
the COMlsslon by the end of the year. That revision as
it llllJ)acts La Costa should be looked at when considering
the proposed zone change to the subject property.
Mr. Roberts e~plained that he could not represent the
subject property at this time because the la Costa Ranch
C0111Pany does not hold the title now and can not address
any alternate plans for the property.
There being no other person in the audience desiring to
address the C011111lssion on this matter, Chairman Schlehuber
declared the public hearing closed at 7:03 p.m.
COIMllssioner Harcus Inquired whether by continuing this
Matter for two 1110nths, it could be included in the La
Costa Master Plan reviston. Mr. Howes replied that there
ls that possibility.
ChainMn Schlehuber e~pressed his support of staff's
rec01111endations based on the fact that the surrounding
uses are already lower densitie~, and there has been
traffic probletllS on the corner of Alga and Alicante.
The Planning C011111ission continued Item No. 2 for two
1110nths. (This was later rescinded.)
Mr. Howes requested that this ltet11 be continued to
whenever the La Co$ta Master Plan revision ls brought
before the Planning Coaalsslon.
The Planning Coaalssion rescinded the above 1110tlon
continuing this ltea for two 110nths.
C«-1.saioner Mcfl.tne inquired on what was the ability of
property 091\er <.:01Ung back in th~ lnterl• -if the Master
Plan la delayed -and processing a NP on this property
on the higher denaity. Mr. Howes gave the reasons why it
would be very diffloult for such a processing to be
coapleted prior to th review of the La Costa Master
Plan. Mr. Hentachke confiraed Hr. Howes' stateaents.
The Planning Coalaalon continued Ite11 No. 2 -CJ>A/LU 86-6
until th La Coata ,_.ater Pl n ls brought before the
C«-1.ulon.
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3) GPA/LU 86-8/ZC-347/LCPA 86-1 -CITY OF CARLSBAD -
General Plan Aiiiendwients, Zone Changes, Local Coastal
Plan A111end111ents to bring the General Plan, Zoning,
Local Coastal Plan maps Into conformance.
[.,.hlbit "D" -Costa Real Property -El Camino Real
Gar) Wayne, Senior Planner, 9ave the presentation on this
Item as contained in the staff report and described the
location of the site with the aid of a map. Staff ls
rec01111ending a zone change from R-1-10 to H-Q with a Q
Overlay. He added that staff has received a letter from
Costa Real stating that they are in accordance with
staff's rec01111endations.
Chalnnan Schlehuber declared the continued public hearing
opened at 7:10 and Issued the invitation to speak.
No one from the audience desired to speak on this matter.
The Plannln9 C011111lsslon accepted staff's recommendations
on [l(hlblt "0" as contained in the staff report.
[l(hiblt "F" -Huqhes Property, Hlghwa> 78 and Jefferson
Street
Gary Wayne, Senior Pl 1nner, gave the presentation o,, this
itet11 as contained in the staff report. Staff ls
rec~nding a General Plan a111end111ent from RRI to OS and a
zone change fr0111 C-2-0 to OS, He stated that staff has
reviewed the final 111ap subfftittal and the topography of
the area and has a better delineation of the open space
area as depicted on the displayed map. Staff ls
reco.aending that the open space be just for the creek
area and that an LCP aaendwient be processed so that the
remaining area to the north within the City be left C-Z-Q.
The Planning C~ission approved staff's recOl!lllendatlons
on [l(hibit "F" as contained in the staff report.
Exhibit "J" -Ticor (APN 1SS-101-6S and lSS-190-13) and Native Sun {APA 203-010-21) located near the MOUth of
Buena vista lagoon
Cary Wayne, Senior Planner, gave the presentation on this
ltea as contained in the staff report. Staff ls
recoaending a General Plitrl ~ndllent to designate the
Native Sun parcel as OS, a General Plan .-endlllent fr0111
RM/OS to RL, a zone change fr011 R-A to R-1-30, and an LCP
aendaent froa OS to RL for the Ticor propert>.
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C~issloner Mc:Bane inquired what was the size of the
larger of the two parcels. Mr. Wayne responded that it
was 1.6 acres. The Coastal Commission when they first
reviewed the project believed that there was only one
parcel out there. There may in fact be one lot and two
parcels.
Cownissioner Mc:Bane reco11111ended that the zone change for
the Ticor parcel be to R-1-40 to be certain to limit the
a1110Unt of units out there.
Mike Poynor, attorney representing Ticor Title, 225
Broadway, Suite 1900, San Diego, addressed the COffllllission
in opposition to the proposed amendments recommended by
staff on the Tlcor property. He stressed that development
can be acc0111plished so that the lagoon and the surrounding
area will be sensitively protected. He contended that 10
dwelling units in a cluster fashion could be sensitively
constructed on half of an acre of the Tlcor property,
leavlno two acres as open space. He listed the benefits
that a development of this type would bring to the area,
and the reasons why he felt that because of the
de,elopment controls that exist, leaving the Ticor parcel
zoned as RM would not be a cause of concern to the City.
He distributed an aeriel map and photooraphs of the
area. (The photographs are on file with the Clerk.)
Due to the fact th~t his time limit was up, Mr. Po)nor
requested that this 111atter be continued to the nexl
regular meeting to allow him an opportunity to complete
his presentation. The Commission denied the request.
C01M1issioner Schra111111 inquired whether the Tlcor parcel
was a view corridor. Mr. Wa)ne relied t hat it was not
particularly a view corridor. lt is low l)ing; however,
structures there would add bulk in that area.
In response to an inquiry from Commissioner Schramm
regarding the access driveway and the easement, Mr. Wayne
replied that the easeaent is sufficient for a road.
Using a recorded 111ap provided by Mr. Poyno;, Mr. Wayne
noted that the 111ap did not have a scale. However, he
pointed out that the easement ls approximately 20 to 25
feet in width.
Ca.ilssioner Mcfadden noted that the constraints dealing
with the possible geological hazards, etc., were not
addressed by staff. Hr. Wayne responded that there ls no
soils and geolO<ly report existing on the property. There
would have to be a soils test done to determine whether
vr not the parcel was sound enouoh for structures. This
could be done upon a request to develop on that land.
C~lssioner Mcfadden expressed her concern that the
access driveway and the public street itself would not
hold the traffic which would be generated by an
additional 10 dwelling units. She !,,formed that the
Beach Overlay C«-ittee ls considering recownending that
that entire street be one way.
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Commissioner Holmes noted that the inap exhibit in the
staff report was different from the llldp on display. Mr.
Wayne apologized and stated that the original maps from
the July 30th meeting were inadvertently pulled.
However, he pointed out that the llldps contained in the
staff report were correct.
Hr. Poynor reappeared and stressed the reasons why he
believed that the area could be reasonably ffldintalned RM
Zoning considering all the constraints th&t would be
in place. The C011111ission would still have plent> of
control as to the development out there.
In the discussion that ensued, C011111issioner McFadden
indicated her preference to change the zone to R-1-4-0 to
assure that there will only be two units developed out
there.
The Planning Co11111lssion accepted staff's reconwnendatlons
on Exhibit "J" as contained in the staff report.
Exhibits "N", "N-1" and "0" -Area in the vicinity of
Harz-ison, Addffls Streets and Chinquapln Avenue
Gary ,ayne, Senior Planner, gave the background on this
item as contained in the staff report. Staff ls coming
back ffith a revised recommendation as instructed by the
Cot11111ss1on that the area bounded by Harrison, Chinquapin
and Adams be desigllated RLM and have the lmpleinentlng zone
of R-1-7500. Further, staff ls recommending that the two
lots to the west of Harrison that co,1talns the existing R-
1-7500 Zone, but with an R"1 land use designation be
changed to ROM to implement the l~nd use designation of
the General Plan and the LCP.
Jane Oldham, 1015 Chinquapin Avenue, addressed the
Coaaission in opposition to the RLM zoning change and
stated that they own an acre of land at the southeast
corner of Chlnquapin and Harrison.
Susan McCarthy, 4049 Ada111S Street, addressed the
C011111lssion and read a letter into the record favoring the
RLM proposed designation and thanking the C~lsslon on
behalf of various neighbors in the area. (The letter ls
on file with the Clerk.)
Gene Rene, 4513 Cove Drive, addressed the COlilllission and
requested that, the two lots he jointly owns be llldintained
in the sc1111e designation, whether it be RM or RLM.
Carl Stephen, property owner of 4090 Harrison Street,
addressed the C<>Waission in opposition to the proposed RLH
designation.
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Bruce Ganoe, 5422 Curr} Way, San Diego, joint owner of the
lot at 4115 Harrison Street, addressed the Co11111ission in
favor of the proposed desiqnation. He suggested that If
the Conwnission cannot come to any aareements relat l,e to
the lots across the streets which are requestlnq the RM
designation, that that propert) be dealt with separately.
Jim Alexander, propert} owner of 4120 Harrison, addressed
the C011111ission In opposition to the proposed ame11dment to
RLM.
Conwnissioner Mer adden inquired whether It was customary
to chanqe zones across public streets and whether R-1 was
compatible with ROM. Mr. Wayne replied In the
affirmative on both inquiries.
Following further discussion on the matter, the Plannlna
Co11111lssion accepted staff's recommendations on Exhibits
"N" "N-1" and "0" as contained In the staff report.
Exhibit "U" -Paseo Del Norte between Palomar Airport
Road and Encinitas Creek
Gary Wayne, Senior Planner, gave the presentation on this
item and described the location of the site with the aid
of a map. Staff ls proposing an LCP amendment to reflect
the City's General Plan as well as the specific plan on
the area. Further, that the appropriate zone chanqes be
implemented to reflect SOl!le of the Coastal Conwnission's
subsequent action on permits in making the area both east
and west of Paseo Del Norte, south of Palomar Airport Road
from PI to TS/0.
Andrew HcReynolds, 2316 Calle Chiquita, addressed the
C011111ission and requested clarification on whether the
action taken tonlqht would open a six -week review period
wherein he will be able to submit written conwnents. Mr.
Wayne confirmed that It will involve an LCP Amendment
which requires a mandatory six-week review period.
The Planning Cont11ission approved staff's recoll'lllendations
on Exhibit "U" as contained in the staff report.
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Exhibit"[[" -Commercial area, northwest of Alga Road and
El Camino Real
Gary Wayne, Senior Planner, gave the presentation on this
item and pointed out that the reason this matter was
continued was the fact that the property had already been
annexed to the City and contained a City zone. Staff ls
proposing a zone change from C-2-Q on the property north
of Dove Lane to ROH to implement the RM General Plan
designation which is also being reco11111ended for the area.
The Planning Co11111lsslon accepted staff's recorrmendatlons
on Exhibit "[[" as contained in the staff report.
Exhibits "CG" and "HH" -South end of Batlquitos Drive
(Savage and Lyman Properties)
Gary Wayne, Senior Planner, stated that staff is
recormending that this item be continued and added to the
list of items which the Commission has directed staff to
look into -inappropriate land uses. There are still a
number of remaining issues on this property, and it ls
now known how much time it will take to iron out those
issues.
The Planning Commission accepted staff's reconmendatlons
on Exhibits "GG" and "HH" that it be added to the list of
ite111s for staff to look into -inappropriate land uses.
Exhibit"~" -[eke property south of Palomar Airport Road
Gary Wayne, Senior Planner, explained that this exhibit
was continued from the last meeting because it was not
property noticed at that ti111e. Staff is reco11111ending a
cOlllbination of LCP ainendments, General Plan amendments,
and Zone Changes to define the boundaries of the open
space on the [eke parcel. The intent ls to preserve
steep slopes, streaM course, and the riparian habitat and
to thoroughly map those resources and ultimately define
this intent.
ChairMan Schlehuber clarified that staff's intentions ls
to define the intent, and that the specific mapping be
acco111Plished when it is brought ln for a specific review.
Hr. Wayne replied in the affirmative and added that staff
wants to go on record as to this intent in interpreting
this open space.
Andrew HcReynolds, 2316 Calle Chiquita, addressed the
Cotaission and requested assurance that there will be a
six-week review period whet-ein he can submit corrrnents on
this matter. Staff conflrined that there will be a review
period for the LCP amendment on this matter.
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Schlehuber X
McFadden X X
Hall X
Marcus X
McBane X
Holmes X
Schramm X
Schlehuber X
HcF adden X
Hall X
Marcus X X
McBane X
Holmes X
Schra111R X
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C0111111lssloner Mcfadden stated that she could not locate
this propert) and expressed her concern that as to exactly
what was being deslonated open space.
The Plannlno Conwnisslon continued this matter to the next
reoular meeting (Auqust 27. 1986) to qive the Conrnis-
sioners an opportunity to visit the site.
There being no other persons desiring to address this
item, (hairman Schlehuher declared the public hearing
closed at 8:06 p.m., except for the particular exhibits
which were continued to August 27, 1986.
Dan Hentschke, Assistant Cit) Attorney, advised that
there were some amendments that need to be made to the
Resolutions Oil this item. He outlined the amendinents as
follows: ( 1) The date of Exhibits "N", "N-1" and "0"
should be changed to August 5, 1986 on all Resolutions
where it is referenced; and (2) Exhibit "I+!" nist be
deleted from all Resolutions where it ls contained.
Commissioner McBane added that Exhibits "CG" and "HH"
must also be deleted from the Resolutions due to the fact
that they have been continued.
Commissioner Mcfadden inquired on the procedure in votinQ
for the overall Resolutior.s on this Item due to the fact
that she was not in aoreement with some exhibits of the
item. Chairman Schlehuber pointed out that the minutes
will reflect her particular vote on each exhibit, and
therefore, it ls her prerogative on how she will vote on
the overall Resolutions. He did not feel that there was
any reason for concern.
Th e Planning Connission rec011111ended approval of the
Neqative Declaration and adopted the following
Resolution with the modifications pointed wt by
Dan Hentschke, Assistant Cit) Attorney, and
Commissioner HcBane:
RESOLUTION NO. 2584 RECOt+IENDING APPROVAL Of AN AMEt-l)MENT
"fO THE LOO USE ELEMENT Of THE GENERAL PLAN TO !JUNG THE
DESIGNATIONS ON THE GENERAL PLAN HAP, ZONING HAP, ~
LOCAL COASTAL pt AN HAP INTO CONFORMANCE ON PROPER T'l'
LOCATED IN THE CITY Of CARLSBAD.
The Planning C~lssion adopted the following Resolutions
with the modifications pointed out b) Dan Hentschke,
Assistant City Attorney, and Conrnlssloner HcBane:
RESOLUTION NO. 2585 RECOt+IENOING ,-,PPROVAL Of A ZONE CHANGE
TO IIIINC THE OESIGNA TIONS ON THE GE.HERAL PLAN HAP, lOHHtG
MAP, AND LOCAL COAST Al PLAN HAP INTO CONFORMANCY ON
PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE CITY Of CARLSBAD.
RESOLUTION HO. 2586 RECOHHEHOING /\PPROVAL Of AN AMENDMENT
To THE tAR[S8Ao LOCAL COAST AL PLAN DESIGNATION FOR THE
PROPERT IES SHOWN ON EXHIBIT "I" ON PROP[.IHY LOCATED 1N
CARLSBAD.
Schlehuber X
Hcf adden X
Hall X
Marcus X X
McBane X
Holmes X
Schramm X
Schlehuber X X
HcF adden X
Hall X
Marcus X
HcBane X
Holmes X
Schramm X
Schlehuber X X
McFadden X
Hall X
Marcus X
HcBane X
Hol111es X
Schra11111 X
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RECESS
The Planning Co11111lssion recessed at 8:11 p.m. and
reconvened at 8:27 p.m., with all members present.
Exhibit "R" -FrontaQe lots, west side of Carlsbad
Boulevard between Shore Drive loop
Chairman Schlehuber informed that the Commission
inadver tently did not vote on the Resolution pertaining
this exhibit at the July 30th meetinq .
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A motion was made to approve Resolution No. 2597 and
reconnending approval of the Negative Declaration.
The motion failed adoption.
For clarlflcati0n, Hr. Hentschke related the Commission's
previous action on this matter.
Commissioner Holmes indicated that he had misunderstood.
His intention was to vote In favor of the Resolution.
The Planning Co11111lssion approved the following Resolution
and recommended approval of the Negative Declaration:
RESOLUTION NO. 2597 RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF A ZONE OiANGE FROM R-2, RESIDENTIAL TWO FAMILY TO R-1, RESIDENTIAL ONE
FAMILY ON PROPERTY GENERALLY I OCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF
CARLSBAD BOULEVARD BETWEEN PONDlh0~A DRIVE ~D LARCH
DRIVE.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
4) CUP-286 TEXACO -The Addition of an existing service
station facility of a convenience store at 945
T c1111arack Avenue.
Gary Wayne, Seni or Planner, gave the presentation on this
item as contained In the staff report and described the
location of the site with the aid of a map. Staf~ ls
recoianending approv~l of the project.
Conaissioner McFadden referred to a~ error in Condition
No. 18 of the Resolution wherein the developer ls to
install a wheelchair ranip. Hr. Wayne informed that this
was a typographical error. The word "northeast" should be
replaced with "southeast".
C011111issi0fler Mcfadden also inquired why the developer was
not responsible for getting the traffic signal opposite
frUIII Pio Pico in working order. Dave Hauser, Assistant
City Engineer, explained that the traffic signal has been
repaired and op~ratlng properly. Normally, a developer
does not have to repair an existing City facility if it Is
on a regular City 111alntenance program.
Schlehuber X
HcF adden X
Hall X
Marcus X X
McBane X
Holmes X
Schramm X
Schlehuber X
HcF adden X
Hall X
Harcus X X
Hc:Bane X
Holmes X
Schramm X
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Conwnissioner McFadden referred to the traffic report and
stated her reasons why she believed that the traffic
conditions surrounding the drivewa>s of the project ls not
a safe situation. Motorists should not be allowed to come
out of there and pour out into the intersection of
Tamarack and Pio Pico. COlll'llissioner Harcus concurred with
Commissioner McFadden as to her concerns.
Mr. Hauser stated that City staff has reviewed the
situation and has determined that it meets the
requirements of the City In that area. ~urther, a
condition has been added that there be a nine-foot lane
left between the building and the servlct' bays enahllng
motorists to circulate out the easter!) drivewa).
Commissioner Harcus stated that the present condition is
very bad, and urqed the Cornmlssion to not give It more
usage.
Chairman Schlehuber declared the pub! le hearing opened at
8:43 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak.
Dave Matson, 10 Universal City Plaza, Los Angeles,
representing Texaco, addressed the Cornmlsslon and pointed
out that the traffic situation was addressed in the
traffic report by BS!. It Indicated that increased trip
generations would be very insignificant based upon what Is
currentl) operating there. He stated that he agreed that
the traffic situation Is not very good presently, but that
cannot be changed. He pointed out the intersection ls
signalized and has been upgraded. Under the conditions of
approval, people can ingress/egress from either driveway.
Further, there ls a condition requlrinq that a no-left
turn sign be placed on the west drlvewa}, The motorists
will be exiting through the easterly driveway where It ls
signalized. He added that there is adequate onsite
circulation.
There being no other person In the audience desiring to
address the C011111lssion on this matter, Chairman
Schlehuber declared the public hearino closed at 8:45
p.m.
Following further discussion, a mot ion was made to approve
the NegatJve Declaration and adopt Resolution No. 2575
approvinq ClP-286 based on the findings contained
therein.
The 1110tlon died due to the lack of a second.
The Planning C~lssion denied the Neaatlve DeclaratJon
and directert staff to return with a Resolution denying
CUP-286.
Schlehuber X
Hcf adden X X
Hall X
Marcus X
McBane X
Holmes X
Schrdllll'I X
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S) GPA/LU 85-9/ZC-338 -SEAPOIN TL CARLSBAD -CITY OF CARLSBAD -Request for General Plan Amendments, Zone
Changes and Local Coastal Plan Amendments for an area
bounded by Palomar Airport Road, 1-5, Poinsettia
Lane, and Carlsbad Boulevdrd, plus thdt area bounded
by Poinsettia Lane, Ponto Road, Carlsbad Boulevard
and the AT&SF Railroad.
Chairman Schlehuber announced that the portions of this
Item wherein audience participation has been requested
will be heard prior to the other portions.
Adrienne Landers, Assistant Planner, gave the Initial
staff presentation on this Item stating that staff ls
recommending a number of General Plan Amendments, Zone
Changes and Local Coastal Plan Amendments. She gave the
background relating to the pro.feet as contained In the
staff report. She added that the consultant hired b) the
City to study the area divided the study area Into
existing and proposed sites. The area was examined
reoardlna land uses, topograph), envlromental issues, as
well as opportunities and constraints. At some locations,
the study identified potential land use changes and at
other areas, they remained with the same land use
designations and zoning designations. Based on this
information, staff has recommended various -ndments.
Preliminary talks with the Coastal Commission indicate
that they have no problem with staff's proposals.
Overall, the proposed changes will reduce the total number
of dwell Ing units in this vicinity. However, the uses
themselves will intensify In some areas. A traffic stud)
was prepared In conjunction with the land use stud) which
indicated that more intense uses would not credte any
add i tional traffic probletns. Basicall), the study area
has very favorable access recause it is bounded on three
sides by prime or major arterials and on the fourth side
by the freeway. The traffic engineer has indicated that
the proposed mitigation measures are acceptable and should
be implemented as projects are developed.
In addition to land use changes, the study also makes
numerous reconnendations regarding access points,
setbacks, landscaping and other design criteria which can
be Incorporated Into future development plans as they are
proposed. Overall, staff relieves the proposed chanoes
will create land uses which are mo~e compatible with
surrounding uses.
Mike Howes, Senior Planner, introduced Don Hansen and
Randi CooperS111ith of the Austin-Hansen-Fehlman firm which
prepared the land use study on this Item.
Subarea P-1
Mr. Howes gave the presentation on Subarea P-1 as
contained In the staff report. He described the location
of the two sites (Bankers/Life and Lusk parcels) with the
aid of a map. The split designation on each of the sites
of Subarea P-1 will require the preparation of a detailed
specific plan whJch nust be approved by the Planning
C011111ission.
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Chair~an Schlehuber declared the public hecring opened at
9:37 p.m. and issued the invitation to speak.
Jim Hicks, 2910 Managua, addressed the Corrmlssion on
behalf of the owners of the Bankers/Life Property. He
stated that they feel that the chanqes that staff is
rec0111111ending will be COlllpatible with the land uses which
are in existence north of the sewer plant. The develop-
ment of the Bankers/Life property will be the final link
In the Avenlda Encinas connection which would provide the
passage of traffic from Poinsettia Avenue across Palomar
Airport Road up to Cannon Road. Further, with the
development of the land requiring a specific plan, the
COO'lllission will have full opportunity to address the final
aliqnment of Avenida Encinas as well as the final
place111ent of the various land uses. He urged the
C011111ission to appro\e staff's reco11111endatlons.
Bot: Ladwig, Rick Engineering, representing the Lusk
C0111pany, addressed the C011111ission in opposition to the
proposed amendments dealing with the Lusk property because
the Lusk Company feels it is premature at this time. They
are concerned about several pending \alid issues that
could have a major affect on land uses in the City, and
they feel it will be appropriate to wait until earl> next
year, after the elections, to consider an> changes ln this
area. Their concern ls that because of the free•a> ramp
on the southerly portion, that maybe It will make more
sense to put the non-residential uses there dfld decrease
the intensity of the use as you go northerly.
C011111issioner Hall inquired why residential zoning was
being proposed in the southern parcel (Lusk). Mr. Howes
stated that mainly staff had some concerns about that
large of an office area in that portion of town, and also,
one of the goals of the Local Coastal Plan was to
encourage residential use in close proximity to the beach.
It was staff's intent with puttlnq the split designation
that a detailed plan could be worked out for a combination
of residential and office uses with adeouate buffers.
Con1111issioner Mcfadden inquired whether the economic
anal) sis report of the cl ty has been completed and
questioned staff's reasoning in determining what ls needed
in this area. Hr. Howes responded that staff felt that it
would be 110re appropriate to have industrial use directly
adjacent to the sewer plant. Further, staff has concerns
aboot the dlllOUnt of comnercial throughout the City and how
much the City can octually absorb.
Chairman Schlehuber staled that he would go along with
staff's recOtllfflendations for the Bdnkers/Life parcel.
However, on the other parcel, (Lusk), he questioned the
residential usage proposed. Charles Gri11111, Ass i stant
Planning Director, pointed out that when there is a split
designation (RM/0), it does not guarant~ that when the
specific plan is COl'llpleted that there will be any
residential or any office at all. Specific plans could
c0111e back with a development that showed either all office
or all residential.
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August 13, 1986 PLANNING COMMISSION Pdge 17
COMMISSIONERS
In response to the C011111ission's inquiry regarding the
consultant's reasons for reconrnendlng residential use in
the Lusk parcel, Randi Coopersmith, Austin-Hansen-Fehlman
C0111pany, addressed the Conwnlssion and stated that in the
Local Coastal and General Plans, mixed uses are
encouraged. Because of the size of the area (340 acres),
the access, and surrounding uses, It was their feeling
that mixed land uses (multlple-famlly, office, and
conrnercial) could be appropriate!> provided for.
COtllllissioner McFadden stressed that the Co11111lsslon needs
some economic analysis of the City to know what ls being
put in the different zones. Mr. Gri11111 Informed that staff
prepared an agenda bill requesting that a consultdnt be
hired to work on the economic andlysls report. However,
the City Council felt that this job could be better done
by the City's Finance Department. The economic andlysis
ls being prepared by the Finance Department.
Con,nissloner Marcus stated that she felt that because a
specific plan will be required for any development, the
C011111isslon will be able to be more definitive In the
future as to what to allow in the drea.
C011111issloner McFadden stressed that by leaving this area
as a split designation, as reconrnended, the Commission ls
at the mercy of what people can afford to build in the
area. She urged the Commission to wait until the economic
analysis report ls submitted.
The Planning Co11111ission accepted staff's reconrnendations
on Subarea P-l.
Subarea P-3
(a) C011111Unlty Partners
Mr. Howes described the location of the site as depleted
on the llldp and gave the presentdtlon on this Item dS
contained in the staff report.
C01111issioner Hall inquired regdrdlng the background of
this area when a particular project came before the
C011111ission on this portion. Mr. Howes replied that it was
a arlti-family project which was approved by the Planning
Ca.ilssion, but later denied by the Council because of the
dense appearance of the project.
Pat O'Day, O'Day Consultdnts, 7750 El Camino Real,
applicant, addressed the C011111isslon and gave further
background on the project. He gave various reasons why he
felt that t he Connlsslon should approve this area as an
office use and not as recOflllended by staff.
Schlehuber
Mcfadden
Hall
Marcus
McBane
Holmes
Schrdlllll
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X
X X
X
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August 13, 1986 PLANNING CO ... ISSION Page 1~0MMISSIONERS
Joe Gallagher, 1165 Hoover, addressed the C01T111isslon and
also gave background of the pro.feet and added that the
same planninq constraints as related to the Bankers/life's
parcel are consistent for their parcel. He urged the
Conwnission to approve this property as office use
designation.
Mr. Coopersml th responded to questions posed by Chairman
Schlehuber on the reasons that they came to the
alternative of the office use as contained in their
report.
In the discussion that ensued, Corrmissioner Hall requested
clarification as to whether restaurants are allowed in
office use designations. Mr. Howes replied that
restaurants are allowed upon approval of a conditional use
permit, unless spec1f1call} prohibited b} the Resolution
Itself.
Chairman Schlehuber stated that he supports the
consultant's recommendation for the office use designation
with the specific limitation that there be no restaurants
on the site. He stated that he ls basing this on the
consultant's report that there ls an odor problem in the
area.
Corrmissloner McFadden stated that althouqh she concurs
that it ls not a good site for residential, she questioned
whether office was the best use, and whether travel-
service was not better for the area.
(b) la Costa Downs Subdivision
Ray Fuller, CM Engineering Associates, 550 West Vista Way,
Vista, addressed the C011111ission on behalf of Richard
Donahue, a property owner in the la Costa Downs
Subdivision. He stated that they are in favor of the zone
change being proposed b} staff.
Mr. Howes gave the presentation on this item and stated
that this portion consists of an old subdivision that was
created many years ago which created a number of
substandard lots.
At this tiae a general discussion ensued regarding the
traffic study upon which all of the land uses being
proposed are based.
Coiaissioner McBane inquired whether staff felt that the
traffic study reflected accurately the current situation
in terms of traffic problems which miqht be generated by
the whole land use plan. Mr. Howes responded that it was
his understanding that the trafflc stud} was based on
future build out, not present traffic flows.
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Philip Raoul, Rarten-Ashman Associates, 180 Southlake
Avenue, Pasedena, addressed the Co11111ission and stated that
some of the traffic counts were done in November.
However, they were bdckchecked with some previous counts
and correlated with some numbers from SANOAG . They are
reasonable for that time of the year to represent average
conditions. Unfortunately, the time frame to do the study
limited when they could conduct the study. The counts of
bulldout ls another study and another condition
considered. Mr . Raoul explained that on the last page of
the traffic study report, there is a table that looks at
the existing levels of service, the bdckground and the
cumulative condition. This ls not a bulldout condition
but represents the exis ting traffic counts projected to
the year 2000 based on a bdckground growth rate.
Hr. Raoul further clarified that they have some average
dally traffic volumes on the major arterials that they
obtained from previous counts conducted by the City.
Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer, stated that the City did
take SOllle counts along Carlsbad Boulevard before the
bridge was closed. One count was taken on October 23,
1985 just south of Cannon . The bridge was closed on
October 29, 1985. Previous traffic counts were done on
Poinsettia Lane on September 25, 1985 and on Avenida
Encinas in August, 1984.
C011111issloner McFadden pointed out that traffic ls not
mentioned in any of the proposed zone changes In the
different subareas and expressed concern regarding the
traffic situation of Carlsbad Boulevard.
Hr. Grln111 stated that the transporatlon consultant did
find the study acceptable. He pointed out that staff is
not approving the access points at this time. They are
just potential access points. When the developer comes in
with a detailed develo:>ment plan for each of the areas,
then that wiil be worked out. The study is just to show
potential.
The Planning C0911ission directed staff to designate P-3(a)
(COllllll.lnity Partners) with an office use designation, and
approved staff's recOWRendatlons oo P-3(b) (Lusk).
Subarea P-4
"~· Howes gave the presentation as contained in the staff
report and described the location of the two sites (the
Northern Third -north of Poinsettia, and the Southern
Two-Thirds -South of Poinsettia) with the aid of a 111ap.
The split General Plan deslqnatlon will require approval
of a detailed specific plan prior to any develop111ent In
this area.
Schlehuber X
McFadden X
Hall X X
Harcus X
HcBane X
Holmes X
Schra.n X
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August 13, 1986 PLANNINC COMMISSION
Bob Ladwig, Rick Engineering, representing the Lusk
CQlllpany, owners of parcels P-4 (a) and (b) spoke in
opposition because they feel that it ls preffldture. The
issues of Coastal access and low cost housing need to be
addressed before an) changes are made in this area. They
1·equest that this item be tabled until after the first of
the )'~ar.
Dale Schreiber, All Storage, 7290 Ponto Drive, addressed
the C0111111issl on, and pointed out a change to the map on
display. Their total land l s now five and one -half acres .
He stated that they are worklnq on a seaport vlllage-t)pe
project and want as lll.lch co111T1erclal there as possible. He
inquired whether gas stations are permitted under the
travel service designation.
Mr. Howes explained that the travel service designation ls
for all the property south of Poinsettia Lane. He
clarified that at this time staff does not know which
portion will be C011111erclal and which will be residential
until a detailed specific plan ls submitted for that
entire area. The existing Coastal designation for that
area ls RH11. Staff is recommending an .-nendment to the
LCP to Include travel service as well as residential
uses.
Commissioner McFadden expressed her concerns that a great
deal of valuable land l s left up to someone walklnq in
with a specific plan. The Commission should be doing more
positive planning. This ls ha rd to do when the Commission
does not know hon much co11111ercial, etc., uses are in the
City. She suggested that this item be delayed until the
economic analysis report ls i n to the Conwnlsslon.
Co11111lssloner McBane expressed the same concerns in regards
to the traffic patterns being used. He stated that he is
not comfortable with the available traffic data.
The Planning Commission accepted staff's rec011111endatlons
on Subarea P-4.
Subarea P-2
Hr. Howes gave the presentation on this item as contained
in the staff report and described the location of the site
with the aid of a 111c1p.
Ted Blonsky, 17065 West Bernardo Drive, Rancho Bernardo,
representing Pacific Coast Hotels, addressed the
C01111lssion and advised that he has been planning the site
in question as a hotel site for SOIIIC time. He urqed the
COINllission to approve staff's recommendations.
The Planning Commission approved staff's rec011'111endatlons
on Subarea P-2.
Schlehuber X X
Mcf" adden X
Hall X
Marcus X
HcBane X
Holmes X
Schra-X
Schlehuber X
Mcfadden X
Hall X
Marcus X X
HcBane X
Holmes X
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Subarea P-1
Jim Hicks, 2910 Managua Place, addressed the C011111ission and
requested that the C011111ission reconsder its vote on P-1.
He explained that lt was his impression that the property
could have been presented P-1 North (Bankers/Life) and P-1
South (Lusk) separately. He was under the impression that
the Bankers/Life property could have received more than
just a four to three vote from the Planning COl!l!lission.
Hr. Hicks inquired of Assistant City Attorney Hentschke
whether it was possible to Qo to the City Council and
split the applications even thouqh the Planning Co11111isslon
voted on P-1 as a total package. Chairman Schlehuber
stated that he saw no reason why this could not be done.
It ls going to the Council for review, and it ls their
prerogative as to how they consider a particular item.
Conclusion
Hr. Howes concluded by stating that staff feels that the
proposed changes will allow land uses that are compatible
with the Local Coastal Plan and the State Parks Plan. He
added that the Planning Commission will be opening the
six-week review period for Local Coastal Plan amendments.
There being no other person in the audience desiring to
address the Co11111ission on this matter, Chairman Schlehuber
declared the public hearing closed at 9:50 p.m.
The Planning Commission adopted the following Resolutions
recommending approval of GPA /LU 85-9, ZC-338 and LCPA 86-2
per staff's recowmendations to the City Council based on
the findings contained therein and with the changes so
noted earlier; specifically, P-3 (a):
RESOLUTION NO. 2587 RECOl+IENOING APPROVAL CJ' AN AMENDMENT
TO THE LOO USE: ELEMENT CJ' THE GENERAL PLAN AS SHOWN ON
EXHIBIT "B" DATED JULY 21, 1986 FOR PROPERTIES GENERALLY
LOCATED IN THE AREA COVERED BY THE SEAPOINTE-CARLSBAD LAND
USE STUOY.
RESOLUTION NO. 2588 RECOHHEHDING APPROVAL CJ' ZONE CHANGES
AS SHOWN M EXHIBIT "C" DATED :lJLY 21, 1986 FOR PROPERTIES
GENERALLY LOCATED WITHIN THE AREA COVERED BY THE
SEAPOIHTE-CARLSBAD LAtf> USE STUDY.
RESOLUTION NO. 2589 RECOHHENOING APPROVAL CJ' AN AM[tl>HENT
To TR£ CARLSBAD LOCAL COASTAL PLAN DESIGNATIONS FOR
CERTAIN PROPERTIES IN THE AREA COVERED BY THE SEAPOINTE-
CARL SBAD LAtl> USE STUDY AS SHOWN ON EXHIBIT "8" ON
PROPERTY LOCATED IN CARLSBAD. THIS AMEtl>HENT WOULD ALSO
ADD AN CJ'FICE CATEGORY TO THE LOCAL COASTAL PLAN.
For clarification, Dan Hentschke, Assistant City Attorney,
advised that the minutes and the staff report will reflect
the individual votes of the C011111issioners on each separate
portion of this item.
Schlehuber X
McFadden X
Hall X X
Harcus X
McBane X
Holmes X
SchralllTI X
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6) (}>A/LU 86-7/ZCA-197 -CITY Of CARLSBAD
(This ite111 was continued to the August 27th Meeting.)
I tfC ORMA TI ON IT EN
7) PC0-91 -O'GARA -Request for approval of a house
relocation fr0111 the rear to the front portion of a
property located at 3229 Valley Street in the R-1
zone.
C~issloner Mcfadden polnttd out that the density is not
accurate in the staff report. Hr. Grl-stated all the
developer is doing ls 1110vlng a house froia the middle of a
cul-de-sac of a subdivision to over on lot 4 which is
already a created lot. If there ls a density established
for this project, it is already approved. Thi s is si111Ply
a relocat ion of a house.
The Planning C~ission adopted the following Resolution
approving PC0-91, based on the fi,dings and subject to the
conditions contained therein:
RESOLUTION HO. 2573 APPROVING A HOUS£ RELOCATION fROH TH[
REAR TO THE FRONT PORTION CJl PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT
3229 VALLEY STREET.
ADDED ITEMS Alf> REPORTS
Planning C01111ission
Chair111an Schlehuber thanked Connissloner Mcfadden for a
very successful party in honor of former C011111issioner Ji
S111ith.
ADJOllUl4ENT
By proper 1110tion, the Meeting of August 13, 1986, was
adjourn~ at 10:00 p.111.
Respectfully sut:aitted,
MICHAEL t«>LZMILLER
Planning Director
Elizabeth Caraballo
Minutes Clerk
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MEETINGS ARE .a.LSO TAPED NI> KEPT CJl fIL[ lMTIL TH[ Ml,-,T[S
AR£ APPROVED.
Schlehuber X X
Hcf adden X
Hall X
Mdrcus X
HcBane X
Holaes X
Sehr-X
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~·,N SJ.rl Dr ~GO COUNTY
Children of San Diego Cuunty have tne rignt to grow up free of
abuse and negle~t. and so the League of Wo~en v~~ers of Sa n Diego County
supports:
.... e'T'er']ency f,;cilities including interir. resi,;., •. ,_~ ana 24-hour hotline
with infonnaticn and referral caoabilities .
.... systematic training of these professionals involved with children,
to identify, respond to and treat victims .
.... development of foster homes olus training and resources for providers
of care .
.... increased availability of treatment, such as counseling, to families
under stress as well as to victir.s of abuse and neglect .
... . coord~nation of a1 1 agency services dealing with abuse a1d neglect .
.•.. increased er,:phasis on prevention of abuse and neglect through
awareness programs and parenting educat ion.
II Child Day Care
The League of Women Voters of San Die go County supports:
.... provision of diverse, alternJtive forms of day care for children,
responsive to the widely di fferent soci~l and economic needs of famili ~s .
. . . • creation of public, private and family day .Clre programs that err:ohasize
develooment rather than custodial activi t i es, varying curricula to
meet·the needs of children of all ages, offering flexible hours and
'sliding scale fees .
..•• parent education and involvement as essential t~ quality day care .
.... governmental efforts to:
-allocate funds to ~eet day care needs,
-streamline zoning and licensing laws,
-increase supervision and training for day ·care providers, and
-eApand infant care services .
...• financial incentives to businesses to provide day care and tax
exemptions to families for day care costs.
_ ...• allotment of day care sites in housing and industrial developments .
.... the use of school sites as one alternative for the placement of day
care programs.
III Juvenile Delinquency Prevention
The League of Women 'loters of San Diego County supports:
.... a juvenile delin~uency prevention effort that gives priority to
providing opportunities for all youth to oarticipate ccnstructi vely
in society and that will reduce the predisoosition towarc delinquency .
.... educational programs which are relevant to child and youth needs and
that prepare students for life experiences such as initia l employment,
family living and peer relationships .
.... collaboration amon <; schools and co!"ll!lurit/ resources to provide after-
school activitie~, utilizing cross-age and oeer involvement and making
use of the ski ll s and knowledoP. of the be~dvioral and life sci ences .
.... informction sharing and j oint.efforts ar.:~g public and orivate agencies
to improve services to the young at-risr. ~nd to develop orimar-1
prevention 9rograms .
.... cooperative cor.munity efforts to i;:rodde ;:,ractical jcb and skills
training leading to useful work experience.
CARLSBAD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
DATE
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FROM
SUBJECT
POST OFFICE BOX 1E,0~
JULY 30, 1986
PLANNING COMMISSION
BOARD OF DIRECTORS,
CARLSBAD. CAL IFORNIA 92008
CARLSBAD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
CHILD CARE PROPOSAL
(6191 729-592•
The Board of Directors of the Carlsbad Chamber of Commerce is
pleased that the City of Carlsbad i s reviewin g t h e need for child
care facilities in our community. It is the desire of the Board
to provide input regarding matters of p u blic and business
interest, and would therefore request that th e Planning Commis-
sion withdraw the child care amer.dment to the General Plan until
such time as necessary citizen input is provided.
of the Board of Directors are as follows:
The concerns
1) Whether the is su e should be addressed in the Land Use
Element, or if it would be more appropriately addressed
in an other eleme nt of the General Plan.
2) Has the City staff considered any public input from
the child care industry, private sector, and other cit-
izens interested in the issue?
3) What method(s) of providing for the child care facili-
ties will be developed.
4) What criteria the City is using for the implementation
of goal s as set forth in the amendment.
Above all else, it is the position of the Carlsbad Chamber of
Commerce that items of such social and economic significance must
be given the necessary time for public review.
Thank you for considering this request.
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CAR LSBAD UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
Carlsbad. California
RESOL UT ION NO. 3-8687
RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE CHILD CARE
AMENDMENT OF THE CITY OF CARLSBAD'S GENERAL PLAN
WHEREAS the Carlsbad Unified School District sees the need for before and after
school supervision for school-aged children of working parents; and
WHEREAS the Dis t rict believes that provision of child care facilities and services
for school-aged children is a joint responsib i lity of the school. city, and
community;
NOW. THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Governing Board of the Carlsbad Unified
School District:
hereby declares its support for Carlsbad Resolution 2572, recommending an
amendment to the City of Carlsbad's General Plan addressing the need for before
and after school supervision of school-aged children starting at the kindergarten
level (GPA-LV-86-4).
PASSED AND ADOPTED oy the Gover 1ng Board of the Car l sbad Unified School District
in Carlsbad, California on the~ day of August. 1986, by the followin g vote:
AYES:
NOES:
Trustees Nygaard, McCormick, Angel. and Switzer
None
ABSENT: None
ABSTENTIONS: None
I, J. Edward Switzer,Jr. Clerk of the Board of Trustees. do hereby certify that
the foregoing is a full, true, and correct copy of a resolution duly passed and
adooted by said Board at a regularly called and conducted ing held on s~id
date.
Margie Cool
2510 Unicornio Street
Carlsbad, California
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I am speaking as a private, concerned citizen and as a former
member of the Committee to Review The Land Use Element Of The
General Plan in opposition t o General Plan Amendment 86-4 which
would amend the land use element to include Childcare as an addi-
tional goal.
First, Childcare is a service, not a land use. None of the
other goals in the Land Use Element address the provision of social
services; therefore, this goal would be inconsistent with the
existing goals of the Land Use Element.
Secondly, this raises the question: if the goals are expanded
to include this social service, what is to prohibit it from being
expanded to address other current social issues, such as: drug
education and rehabilitation; senior citizen health and daycare
needs; family and teenage counselling --to name a few. In fact,
attention given to the encouragement of a reduction of liability
insurance would be of immediate benefit to existing day care
facilities as well as the City of Carlsbad, businesses and industries.
However, creating goals in the Land Use Element to satisfy these
needs is still inappropriate.
In addition, before the City of Carlsbad becomes committed to
Childcare and other social services, the City Council should adopt
a policy to that effect and, perhaps, add a Social Service or
Human Resources Element to the General Plan as was done with the
Arts Element. ~·!!-.dtever action taken should be with the citizens
of Carlsbad being full ·· informed and allowed to participate.
I am not opposing the concept of childcare. I am very concerned
with the plight of unattended children, and I recognize the diffi-
culties faced by working parents in finding acceptable facilities
for their children while they ar~ working. I hope this need for
childcare will be addressed.
To approve this amendment the Land Use Element of the General
Plan would commit the City of Carlsbad to the social service of
Childcare without the necessary time and exposure needed to inform
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the community of such a decision. One Planning Commission
meeting and, possibly, one City Council meeting to consider this
amendment does not give time to examine all of the ramifications
involved or allow those affected by the staff recommendations to
be a part of the decision-making process. A task force to examine
childcare and an assessment of the needs in Carlsbad should be
the first step, then the amendment to the General Plan considered,
not vice versa.
Therefore, as a citizen and a community member of Carlsbad,
I urge the Planning Commission to vote "no" on this Land Use
Amendment to the General Plan and recommend that other options
should be examined with the communi~y informed and involved in
the decision-making process.
Are there any questions?
Planning Comm1ss1on !-lembe t
RE: August 13, 1986 Meeting
h Id r e urd1nAnce To Ad o pt a c i -ca
. d NOT impose a dd i tiona l fees on
In m o i nion the Ci ty of (;i r hhad .sho<t l x~m l e ~ r,f the defic it a lready
t he .~ev~lo pe r f or ch ild.-rareC~u~p"~~s~<-.1;·bv ~.ncin1tas c hild-car e r e n ter .
with the Carlsbc1d <.irl -. u ' d -,._ . t . kee" o ur curren t f at, I i tes are t1nd 1ng ••Ill ,,0 1. o ~
Time shou l d be spent i n rl ne'-onf's . _ ·
operating befo r e pas~1~~r ~:w~;ubl ~ave s upport ot v;i r 1o u s ioc~I 1~~~:;~-
The Carl s bad Boys a n If t h C1 tv i ~ go1n)" t u support a c l
zation and United r und . / r . mmun 1tv '"te o•1 that. A mere / 7-t?,
center . t han l etdthe ~e~~~\~ I .~~,
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:r~" [cl It. ll 1\_°u t y 1 '1',1• rls Club
passing ,)f an o r . 1118( ar s uau \.J
to resolve anything.
Carol McCart
p o Box 2254
C~risbad, CA 92008
to benefit from party
with Louisiana theme (liAd Y!!~ td
Caro l McCart 8/11/86 Bv Lola Sherm.in
Tr1oune S1 .. dl "~ 'N
Holiday Park in Carlsbad will be
transformed into another time aod
place Aug 17 for the Fifth Annual
Lazv Louisiana Davs celebration to
ben;fit the !uni Girls Club
'<\agnol,a blossoms long party
dresse,, and parasols. and the aroma
of chicken and grits 11111!' fill tbe parll.
dunng the fest1v1t1es !rt I to 6 p.m
at PinC' Avenue and Pio f-;co Dnve
Mooey raised Ifill belp pay operat-
ing expenses which 4irecter El1eell
obon said run from $3,500 a month Ill
tbe winter to $5,000 eacb moatll Ill
tbe summer for about .SC gira. ·
She said fee raised from 1.lie dulf1
program pay only abollt nalf tbl u-
pemes. _........,
A rummage sale Saturday ..-
Prizes will be given for costumes
ar,d for the best approx1mauon of
Southern expression And a Confed·
.-rate flag donated by the New Or-
leans Chamber of Commerce wtll fly
over the park while Dmeland Jatt
$1.000 But Olson saN! * IS couatilll on the Louisiana Days event and u
mternatJooal dinner in November fer
m05l of the money
Tickets ~ available at tbe el•.
located aCTOS.5 Ellreb Place frca
the part.. at the Cbam'1er of Cllm-
merce in the 111d railnlad dlpit • Elm A•enue at tlle Slat.a Fe tnaL
and at tllle leach Vn Lodp Oil
Carlsbad Boulevard. entertains the partygoers ..
"It 5 for the v.hoie fanuly. said
Shirle\ Saler a director of tbe
Carlsbad Girls· Club
Geoeral ~ ii$!,; llcll:eta f«
children uder 12 are P.
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·:Encinitas migrant child-care center
posts deficit for fourth straight year
By Tara Garner
1"rlllaM SW/ Writer
The dehc11-ndden migrant child-care center in E 1nn1
wended tbe 19~ school \'ear S37.5l2 in the red. near·
ly $8,000 above ongma I pred1ctmns. said SupenntPnden1
Donald Lllldstrom.
Final budget figure show the federally funded center
finishf'd its fourth con~cut,vr vear m the EnnniUls
UDIOO School D1strirt with J defir-,t Lindstrom 10Jd lrus
tees last week.
"We had ant1c1pated a deflr1\ and we don t expect n to
be much less th!S year ... hr said. adding th,·rr ,, d poss,
bihty that lbe debt may nearly tnple
Earlier this vear the d1~tnct had predicted a $30 000
deficit ·
The 10-year-old center at (dpn C:lement.;ry provide,
health aod educational care for lbe children of migrant
agricultural woril.ers who l:v~ in Encinitas Card1ff-by-
the-S-...a. Carlsbad. V1sui and Oceanside
Tbe conunued losses.. which have cost the district's
general fund $55,957 since 1982. are the direct result of
1ncrea5ing salaries within the d1Stnct and slow federal
IDC~ in lundmg tbe program
Becall!e of the fmannal burden. the board m February
announced 1t will bait its in volvi>ment wllh the day-care
center at tbt-end of tbe upcomang school year
Suzanne Lyles. actmg director for Susan GJe~t. who
IS on matemJly leave. promised that a parent. teacher
and staff steering committee 1s conunumg its f'ffort, to
make up the difference so that lhe cenlC'r can s1av in tht>
district
'"l'bere is still a lot of concern among the suiff. and the
parents are 1111llmg to do whatever they ca ~ .. Lyles said
To dale. parent.s have contributed $5 000 and ha, e more
than $2.400 m pledges from :he community. she &aid.
The center·s 1985-86 mcome was '428,682 wbile n
penses were $464.194. Landstrom said.
Trustee B111 Carli commended t.be pa.reel.! for die el
forts but noted that community support for tbe prasnm
which serves 74 children and baa an equally lengthy nit•
ing 11st. simply has not come forward.
· I voted against (halting district Involvement) a fn
months back based on the commuruly support we 1111 ft
would get." Carli said. refemng u, a meeting attended bJ
more than 100 parents and several busl.DeSSmen m tbe
r nr.imumty "And 1t Just doesn"t !leem to be there It
appt>ar, to me thf' parents are doing all they can. but it
hasn I been what we expectt-d
Tm making certain not to fault anyone. especuUy tbe
parents · Carli saJd. "But to make up tlus ~fieit we need
a much stronger comrrutment ·•
The 12-hoor-a-day program for cluldren .ige 6 montlllll
to 5 yea~ old 1DCludes bealtb care. super;'lloo and edlt-
rat1on for the needy youngsters
The center hopes to say m tile dJstncL but will probl-
bl v l><' taken over by a pnvate company sbould tbe di&-
1 nct be unable to continue supportmg the pr<>cnrn. tna-
tees agreed.
In other acuoo last wed:, die board.
• Approved spending SUOO to coounue for the fifth@
year as a membe.r of lhe National Council of Year-round
Education.
• Uirected t.be 111penntendent to contract wttb a land
appraiser for an lllldetenmned swn to detenrune market
l'alue of dtstnct-owned property near Ocean Knoll
School The land IS a proposed site for the San Dieptt.o
Transportation Cooperauve. a use that bas come IIDder'
fire by nearby residents
LR Cost A RRncH Co.
July 30, 1986
Plann i ng Commission
City of Carlsbad
1200 Elm Avenue
Carlsbad, CA 92008
ATT: Chairma~ Schlehuber
SUBJECT: GPA/LU 86-6 -General Plan
South of Corte de la Vista,
Road in La Costa.
Amendment located
east of Alicante
Dear Chairman Sch l ehuber:
As the for mer property owner and as the developer of the
La Costa Master Plan, the La Costa Ranch Company objects
to the General Plan Amendment on the above referenced
property which would reduce the properties land use from
RMH(8-15 dus/acre) to RM(4-8 dus /acre). We disagree with
the reasons given in t he staff report for the downzoning
of this property. We believe the existing land use desig-
nation is appropriate for the site based on the following
reasons:
1. As stated in the staff report, the property was approved
for a General Plan Amendment to the RMH category less
than S years ago. At that time, the staff conducted
an analysis of this land use and determined that it
was appropriate for the site. Also, a condominium
project was approved on the site and this also was
reviewed by the city and found to meet all requirements
of the existing ordinances. No substantial changes
have occurred in this time to justify a downzone of
the property. Staff has not give n sufficient reasons
to downzone the property.
2 . Staff has cited traffic as a reason for the downzoning
of this site. The reason given is that "residents
of La Costa are already complain i ng about the amount
of traffic on these roads." This goes counter to
the traffic studies that have be~n conducted in this
area. Even the staff acknowledges in the staff report
that both Alicante Road and Alga Road "could nandle
the traffic generated by development on this site
under its existing designation."
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3. Staff also cites land use compatibility as a reason
for a reduced designation. It is true that adjacent
properties have developed at a lower density than
the subjec t property. However, these properties,
i r. particular the Joc1<ey Club, are large luxury units
that have the appearance of a high density development.
Also, properties located nearby the site have been
approved at densities over 20 dwelling units per acre.
Compatibility is more a function of design than density.
The Jockey Club is a good example of a low density
project that appears to be higher in density than
it actually is. Although thP. previous proje-:t on
the subj e ct site may not be approved under coday's
standards, a new pr o ject could be designed under existing
criteria that could be compatible to surrounding proper-
ties.
As stated in the staff report, the design of the previously
approved project seems to be one reason for the downzone
of this ~roperty. We suggest that the present land
use designation be retained. When a new development
is proposed on this site, the city and property owner
would insure a site sensitive project.
4. Finally, the downzoning of this property would cre:ate
severe financial hardship for the property owner.
The property owner has invested approximately $16,000,000
in the property to date. With the downzoning of the
property to 4-8 dus/acre, the value of the property
would be reduced to $5,000,000. Although, this is
not a reason for a land use decision by the city,
it believe it is significant enough to be noted.
For the reasons stated above, we believe the property
should not be redesignated to the RM land use category.
We request that the Planning Commission consider our findings
before making a decision on this matter and that this
letter be made part of the public record.
Sincerely,
;i~ t:~rs.2-~
Project Manager
cc: Planning Commissioners
Planning Department
Minutes Clerk
Barbara Hunt Mead
4140 Adams Street
Carlsbad, California 92008
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