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CALL TO ORDER
August17,2016
PLANNING COMMISSION
6:00p.m.
August 17, 2016
COUNCIL CHAMBER
Chairperson Anderson called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Commissioner Segall led the Pledge of Allegiance.
ROLL CALL
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Present: Chairperson Anderson, Commissioners Black, L'Heureux, Montgomery, Segall and
Siekmann
Absent: Commissioner Goyarts
STAFF PRESENT
Don Neu, City Planner
Ron Kemp, Assistant City Attorney
Farah Nisan, Senior Office Specialist
Christer Westman, Senior Planner
Jason Goff, Associate Planner
Chris Garcia, Associate Planner
Pam Drew, Associate Planner
Teri Delcamp, Senior Planner
Kyle Lancaster, Parks & Recreation Super Intendant
Jason Kennedy, Public Works Facilities Manager
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any corrections or revisions to the minutes of the meeting of July
6, 2016.
MOTION
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner L'Heureux and duly seconded by Commissioner Siekmann
to approve the minutes of the Regular Meeting of July 6, 2016, as amended.
VOTE: 5-0-2
AYES: Chairperson Anderson, Commissioner Black, Commissioner L'Heureux,
Commissioner Montgomery and Commissioner Siekmann
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Goyarts
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Segall
PUBLIC COMMENTS ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA
Chairperson Anderson asked if anyone in the audience wished to speak to an item not on the agenda.
Theresa Barnes, 3445 Lakewood Street, stated her support for using hearing impaired safety logos that
are user friendly around the city and thanked staff for their efforts.
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Jan Bandich, 4529 Cove Drive, Suite 101, stated her opposition to the pending approval of the Carlsbad
Boat Club & Resort located at 4509 Adams Street. She stated her concerns with increased usage of the
lagoon, safety issues on the beach and lagoon, noise levels, the pollution and threat to wildlife, traffic,
parking issues, and adequate water and sewage for the total amount of the proposed units.
Steve, Bandich, 4529 Cove Drive, Suite 101, stated his opposition to the pending approval of the Carlsbad
Boat Club & Resort for safety, security, sustainability, overcrowding with the motor boats, jet skis and
passive water vehicles.
Rosanne Bentley, 4940 Hillside Drive, stated her opposition to the Carlsbad Boat Club & Resort on 4509
Adams Street due to density, noise pollution, lack of space for parking, and traffic on Adams Street.
RECESS
Chairperson Anderson called for a 5-minute recess at 7:42 p.m.
MEETING CALLED TO ORDER
Chairperson Anderson called the meeting to order at 7:47p.m. with all Commissioners present and asked
Mr. Neu to introduce the first item on the Agenda.
PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING
4. CUP 16-03-ABSTRACT ALE WORKS-Request for a Conditional Use Permit to allow
Abstract Ale Works to operate a brewery tasting room in an existing industrial building on
property located on the northeast corner of Yarrow Drive and Camino Vida Roble
addressed as 6350 Yarrow Drive, Suite C, in the P-M Zone and in Local Facilities
Management Zone 5. The City Planner has determined that this project is exempt from
the requirements of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) per Section 15301,
"Existing Facilities," of the State CEQA Guidelines and will not have any adverse significant
impact on the environment. A Notice of Exemption shall be filed with the County Clerk
upon approval of this project.
Mr. Neu stated Agenda Item 4 would normally be heard in a public hearing context; however, the project
appears to be minor and routine in nature with no outstanding issues and staff recommends approval. He
recommended that the public hearing be opened and closed, and that the Commission proceed with a vote
as a consent item. Staff would be available to respond to questions if the Commission or someone from
the public wished to comment on Agenda Item 4.
Commissioner Black stated that he would like to recuse himself from Agenda Item 4.
Chairperson Anderson asked if any member of the audience wished to address Agenda Item 4. Seeing
none, she opened and closed public testimony.
MOTION
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Segall and duly seconded by Commissioner Siekmann that
the Planning Commission adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 7186
recommending approval of CUP 16-03, based upon the findings and subject to the
conditions contained therein.
VOTE: 5-0-2
AYES: Chairperson Anderson, Commissioner L'Heureux, Commissioner Montgomery,
Commissioner Segall and Commissioner Siekmann
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Goyarts
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Black
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Chairperson Anderson closed the public hearing on Agenda Item 4, asked Mr. Neu to introduce the next
item and opened the public hearing on Agenda Item 1.
1. COP 15-45-ABDI RESIDENCE -Request for approval of a Coastal Development Permit
to allow for the demolition of a 4,200 square foot two-story single-family residence and the
construction of a 5,487 square foot two-story single-family residence with a 2,564 square
foot habitable basement within the Mello II Segment of the City's Coastal Zone located at
5263 Shore Drive within Local Facilities Management Zone 3. The project site is within the
appealable area of the California Coastal Commission. The City Planner has determined
that the project belongs to a class of projects that the State Secretary for Resources has
found do not have a significant impact on the environment, and it is therefore categorically
exempt from the requirement for the preparation of environmental documents pursuant to
Section 15303(a) construction of a single family residence of the state CEQA Guidelines.
Mr. Neu introduced the first item and stated Senior Planner Christer Westman would make the presentation.
Commissioner Siekmann stated that she would like to recuse herself from Agenda Item 1.
Commissioner Montgomery stated that he would like to recuse himself from Agenda Item 1.
Mr. Westman gave a brief presentation and stated he would be available to answer any questions.
Chairperson Anderson referred to Item 2 on the errata sheet and asked who is being restricted regarding
the mitigation measures on the beach. Mr. Westman replied stating the property owner and future owners
of the lot. Chairperson Anderson stated that the previous version of the errata sheet specified that the
applicant, the successor and the terms seemed general, and asked if that would potentially include the city.
Assistant City Attorney Ron Kemp stated that the way that it is written is ambiguous, however, because this
is the conditions of approval for construction of the Abdi Residence, these are conditions put on the property
owner and no one else. Mr. Kemp also stated that it could be modified to put in language that it is restricted
just to the property applicant if the Commissioners so desire. Chairperson Anderson stated that the
previous version makes better sense stating that the applicant and the future of assignees are limited.
Commissioner L'Heureux asked if items 2 and 3 of the errata would be in some form of a recorded document
as they are only attached to a resolution that is not recorded. He also asked how the future owners of the
property would know that there is an encumbrance or limitation. Mr. Kemp replied stating the best way is
to record a Notice of Restriction on Real Property. Mr. Neu clarified stating that a Notice of Restriction
refers back to the resolution of approval for the requirements and staff could modify the Notice of Restriction
that goes against the title to specify items 1 and 2 of the errata sheet.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of staff. Seeing none, she asked if the
applicant wished to make a presentation.
Matt Peterson, Law Offices of Peterson & Price, Suite 1800, 530 B Street, San Diego, stated that the
conditions contained within the errata sheet were voluntary to satisfy the California Coastal Commission
staff and are intended for the property owner, the applicant and binding upon their successors.
Rick Kauffman, Harcourt & Kaufman Architecture, Suite 300-135, 1127 Eldridge Parkway, Houston, TX,
77079, gave a brief presentation and stated he would be available to answer any questions.
John Coffey, Civil Engineer, Suite 210, 9666 Business Park Avenue, San Diego, stated he would be
available to answer any questions related to drainage.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of the applicant. Seeing none, she asked
if any person in the audience wished to speak on the item. Seeing none, Chairperson Anderson opened
and closed public testimony on Agenda Item 1.
Chairperson Anderson asked Mr. Kemp what the city's responsibility is regarding the governance of the
restriction regarding shoreline protection if there was a violation in the future. Mr. Kemp replied stating that
the city could have some responsibility enforcing the condition.
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DISCUSSION
Commissioner Black stated that the architecture is well designed and can support the project.
Commissioner L'Heureux stated that he can support the project and is still unclear on the incorporation of
new conditions 1 and 2 of the errata sheet into the resolution or the Notice of Restriction. Mr. Neu stated
that once the Planning Commission adopts the project resolution and the errata sheet, staff will incorporate
the conditions into the resolution, the final document would be signed, and the Notice of Restriction would
be recorded, as the standard format refers to the resolution number. Mr. Neu also stated that the
Commission could consider an alternative for staff to incorporate the changes directly into the Notice of
Restriction that would be recorded against title conditions 1 and 2 so that someone does not have to go to
the Notice of Restriction and then to the Resolution.
Commissioner Segall stated that he can support the project and commented that incorporation of the
conditions into the resolution should be resolved with direction from Mr. Kemp. Mr. Kemp stated that the
Planning Commission could make the decision to add the conditions to the resolution aimed to the Notice
. of Restriction, which would put a title company on a better notice than having a reference to a resolution.
Chairperson Anderson stated that she would like to consider adding language that is being limited to the
applicant, assignees, and successors.
MOTION
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Segall and duly seconded by Commissioner Black that the
Planning Commission adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 7168 approving
Coastal Development Permit COP 15-45 based upon the findings and subject to the
conditions contained therein including the 3 conditions added as described in the
errata and to include the applicant's acknowledgement of hazards and restriction to
future shoreline or bluff protection in the Notice of Restriction.
VOTE: 4-0-3
AYES: Chairperson Anderson, Commissioner Black, Commissioner L'Heureux and
Commissioner Segall
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Goyarts, Commissioner Montgomery and Commissioner Siekmann
ABSTAIN: None
Chairperson Anderson closed the public hearing on Agenda Item 1, invited the Commissioners back to the
dais, asked Mr. Neu to introduce the next item and opened the public hearing on Agenda Item 2.
2. COP 16-18/AV 16-03 -RANCHO PARADISO -Request for approval of a Coastal
Development Permit and Minor Variance to allow for the construction of a 1,983 square
foot single-family residence with an attached two-car garage within the Mello II Segment
of the city's Local Coastal Program generally located on the north side of Normandy Lane
(APN 203-023-04-00) within Local Facilities Management Zone 1. The project site is not
within the appealable area of the California Coastal Commission. The City Planner has
determined that the project belongs to a class of projects that the State Secretary for
Resources has found do not have a significant impact on the environment, and it is
therefore categorically exempt from the requirement for the preparation of environmental
documents pursuant to Section 15303(a), construction of a single-family residence and
Section 15305, minor alterations in land use limitations, of the state CEQA Guidelines.
Mr. Neu introduced Agenda Item 2 and stated Associate Planner Chris Garcia would make the staff
presentation.
Mr. Garcia gave a brief presentation and stated he would be available to answer any questions.
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Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any questions of staff. Seeing none, she asked if the applicant
wished to make the presentation.
Kirk Moeller, MAA Architects, Suite 250, 2173 Salk Avenue, gave a brief presentation and stated he would
be available to answer any questions.
Commissioner Black asked what the purpose of the elevator was for the project. Mr. Moeller stated that
the property owner plans to permanently live in the residence and is planning to utilize the elevator for when
he is in his older years potentially not being able to use stairs.
Commissioner Siekmann asked if the property would be ready for future solar panels. Mr. Moeller replied
stating that the resident does not plan to install solar panels due insufficient panel space. Commissioner
Siekmann asked what other environmental options have been considered. Mr. Moeller stated drought
tolerant landscaping, composite wood siding instead of natural wood siding, and porcelain stone instead of
natural stone.
Chairperson Anderson asked if the entry of the property had natural lighting. Mr. Moeller stated yes, the
door would have some glass to allow for natural lighting.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of the applicant. Seeing none, she asked
if any person in the audience wished to speak on the item. Seeing none, Chairperson Anderson opened
and closed public testimony on Agenda Item 2.
Chairperson Anderson stated that several letters from the property owner's neighbors have been submitted
in support of the project.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Montgomery stated that he could support the project.
Commissioner Black stated that he could also support the project.
Commissioner Siekmann stated that she could support the project.
Commissioner L'Heureux stated that he could support the project.
Commissioner Segall stated that he could support the project.
Chairperson Anderson stated she could also support the project.
MOTION
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
Motion by Commissioner Segall and duly seconded by Commissioner Siekmann that
the Planning Commission adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 7183
approving Coastal Development Permit COP 16-18 and Minor Variance AV 16-03,
based upon the findings and subject to the conditions contained therein.
6-0-1
Chairperson Anderson, Commissioner Black, Commissioner L'Heureux,
Commissioner Montgomery, Commissioner Segall and Commissioner Siekmann
None
ABSENT: Commissioner Goyarts
ABSTAIN: None
Chairperson Anderson closed the public hearing on Agenda Item 2, asked Mr. Neu to introduce the next
item and opened the public hearing on Agenda Item 3.
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3. COP 16-23 -OCEAN STREET BEACH ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS -Request for
approval of a Coastal Development Permit to allow for improvements at seven (7) public
beach accesses within the Mello II Segment of the city's Coastal Zone located on the west
side of Ocean Street, north of Oak Avenue to Rue Des Chateaux within Local Facilities
Management Zone 1. The project site is within the appealable area of the California
Coastal Commission. The City Planner has determined that the project belongs to a class
of projects that the State Secretary for Natural Resources has found do not have a
significant impact on the environment, and it is therefore categorically exempt from the
requirement for the preparation of environmental documents pursuant to state CEQA
Guidelines Sections 15301 -repair and maintenance to existing facilities; 15302 -
replacement or reconstruction of existing facilities; 15303 -new construction; and 15304
-minor alterations to the land and vegetation.
Mr. Neu introduced Agenda Item 3 and stated Associate Planner Pam Drew and Parks & Recreation Super
Intendant; Kyle Lancaster would make the staff presentation.
Ms. Drew and Mr. Lancaster gave a brief presentation and stated they would be available to answer any
questions.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any questions of staff.
Commissioner Siekmann asked for more information on lighting. Mr. Lancaster stated that the lighting is
intended for safety purposes as each of the access ways are currently unlit. The intent is to provide better
lighting for the public and each of the fixtures are low-level style.
Chairperson Anderson asked if the cypress access point had public access signs. Mr. Lancaster stated
that the current small access sign on the gate would be replaced with a wall mounted beach access sign.
Chairperson Anderson stated that she is happy to see companion handicap parking. Mr. Lancaster stated
that a handicap accessibility specialist has reviewed the concept plans and has advised to add that to the
construction drawings.
Commissioner L'Heureux asked if the lights would remain on all night. Mr. Lancaster replied stating yes,
the intent would be for public safety.
Commissioner Segall asked if there would be a place designated for people to wash the sand off their feet.
Mr. Lancaster replied stating that there are showers currently located at the Oak Avenue location that is
privately maintained by Carlsbad Inn. Mr. Lancaster added that staff will be looking into a separate CIP
project for the possibility for adding restrooms with shower facilities at an appropriate beach access location.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of staff. Seeing none, she asked if any
person in the audience wished to speak on the item.
Michael Selna, 3001 Ocean Street, stated his concerns with hours of operation and safety, increased
volume of visitors, public intoxication and suggests having lifeguards at the beach.
Lynn Bennadict, 2691 Ocean Street stated her concerns with narrow public stairs, drug trafficking, intruders
destroying private property, loitering, graffiti, breaking safety lights and stated that she would like a gate
that closes the area at night for deterrence to provide privacy for the residence. Commissioner Black asked
what access points are closest to her property. Ms. Bennadict replied Ocean Street and Beech Street.
Evy Kunkel, 2689 Ocean Street, stated her concerns with public safety, police enforcement, and added that
an addition of cameras and a gate would help improve the area.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any other members in the audience wished to speak on the item.
Seeing none, Chairperson Anderson closed public testimony on Agenda Item 3.
Chairperson Anderson asked if staff would like to address the issues raised. Mr. Lancaster replied stating
that staff has met with Mr. Selna on sight to address his concerns with hours of operation, and currently
there are no limits to the available use to that portion of the beach. He mentioned that there is a separate
team of city staff headed up by the fire chief and police chief looking at lifeguarding and public safety. Mr.
Lancaster added that if the hours of operation would change, as it has been taken forward to council as an
amendment, hours of operation would be posted and lighting would likewise be modified if necessary. He
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concluded stating that there currently is research being done on what other cities do with similar type of
beach areas and options will be brought back for the City Council's consideration in the near future.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there are signs indicating a lifeguard present at the location. Mr. Lancaster
stated no, the State of California does a pass-through when they are at their north end of the beach, dividing
lines at Oak Avenue, and do not have responsibility for that segment of the beach as it is privately owned
with a lateral easement with the city.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of staff. Seeing none, Chairperson
Anderson opened and closed public testimony on Agenda Item 3.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Montgomery stated he could support the project.
Commissioner Black stated he can also support the project and concurs with Commissioner Montgomery.
Commissioner Siekmann thanked staff for their part on how they conducted the public outreach and stated
that she can support the project.
Commissioner L'Heureux stated he could support the project.
Commissioner Segall stated that he concurs with his fellow commissioners and could support the project.
Chairperson Anderson stated that she could also support the project.
MOTION
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner Segall and duly seconded by Commissioner Black that the
Planning Commission adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 7189 approving
Coastal Development Permit COP 16-23 based upon the findings and subject to the
conditions contained therein.
VOTE: 6-0-1
AYES: Chairperson Anderson, Commissioners Black, Commissioner L'Heureux,
Commissioner Montgomery, Commissioner Segall and Commissioner Siekmann
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Goyarts
ABSTAIN: None
Chairperson Anderson closed the public hearing on Agenda Item 3 and called for a 1 0-minute recess.
RECESS
Chairperson Anderson called for a 10-minute recess at 8:01 p.m.
MEETING CALLED TO ORDER
Chairperson Anderson called the meeting to order at 8:11 p.m. with all Commissioners present.
Mr. Neu introduced Agenda Item 5 and stated Senior Planner Teri Delcamp would make the staff
presentation.
5. EIR 98-0S(A)/SP 211 (8) -CARLSBAD OAKS NORTH SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT
FOR LOTS 1 & 2 -Request for a recommendation of approval of an addendum to
Environmental Impact Report (EIR) 98-08 and approval of a Specific Plan Amendment to
remove a requirement for Lot 1 or 2 of the Carlsbad Oaks North Specific Plan to be
developed with commercial support uses instead of light industrial on property generally
located at the southwest and northwest corners of Faraday Avenue and El Fuerte Street
within the Carlsbad Oaks North Business Park and in Local Facilities Management Zone
16. The City Planner has determined that this project would not result in any previously-
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undisclosed significant environmental impacts or a substantial increase in the severity of
previously disclosed impacts or additional significant impacts beyond those previously
addressed under EIR 98-08 for the Specific Plan, and does not create the conditions
requiring the preparation of a Subsequent or Supplemental EIR pursuant to CEQA
Guidelines Sections 15162 and 15163. Therefore, an Addendum to EIR 98-08 has been
prepared.
Ms. Delcamp gave a brief presentation and stated she would be available to answer any questions.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any questions of staff. Seeing none she asked if there were any
questions of the applicant. Seeing none, she asked if any person in the audience wished to speak on the
item. Seeing none, Chairperson Anderson opened and closed public testimony on Agenda Item 5.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Montgomery stated he could approve the project.
Commissioner Black stated he could support the project.
Commissioner Siekmann stated that she could also support the project.
Commissioner L'Heureux stated he could support the project.
Commissioner Segall stated he could support the project.
Chairperson Anderson stated that she could also support the project.
MOTION
ACTION:
VOTE:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Motion by Commissioner Segall and duly seconded by Commissioner Siekmann that
the Planning Commission 1) adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 7187
recommending approval of an Addendum to Environmental Impact Report (EIR) 98-
08, as contained in application EIR 98-08(A); and 2) adopt Planning Commission
Resolution No. 7188 recommending approval of Specific Plan Amendment (SP)
211 (B), based on the findings and subject to the conditions contained therein.
6-0-1
Chairperson Anderson, Commissioner Black, Commissioner L'Heureux,
Commissioner Montgomery, Commissioner Segall and Commissioner Siekmann
None
Commissioner Goyarts
ABSTAIN: None
Chairperson Anderson closed the public hearing on Agenda Item 5, asked Mr. Neu to introduce the next
item and opened the public hearing on Agenda Item 6.
6. CUP 15-09-GUNTHER GUNS SHOOTING RANGE-A recommendation of approval of
a Conditional Use Permit to allow for a 16 lane indoor shooting range and a 1,680 square
foot retail gun store within a 13,932 square foot stand-alone building on property located
at 2717 Loker Avenue West within the Carlsbad Airport Business Center Specific Plan and
Local Facilities Management Zone 5. The City Planner has determined that the project
belongs to a class of projects that the State Secretary for Resources has found do not have
a significant impact on the environment, and it is therefore categorically exempt from the
requirement for the preparation of environmental documents pursuant to state CEQA
Guidelines Section 15301 -Existing Facilities, and Section 15332-In-fill Development
Projects.
Mr. Neu introduced Agenda Item 6 and stated Associate Planner Jason Goff and Public Works Facilities
Manager, Jason Kennedy would make the staff presentation.
Commissioner Siekmann stated that she would like to recuse herself from Agenda Item 6.
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Mr. Goff gave a brief presentation and stated he would be available to answer any questions.
Commissioner Montgomery asked if one end of the shooting range would have more directional noise. Mr.
Goff stated that the noise consultant has analyzed noise at the end of the range as well as the edges of the
point of fire.
Commissioner Black asked if the city has the right to address enforcement if the projected decibels are
incorrect after testing. Mr. Goff replied stating that the Building Division would go through with the final
inspections making sure that the facility is operational and safe, and Planning Division would hold allowing
the issuance of the Certificate of Occupancy until the noise study determines that they are operating within
those standards. Commissioner Black asked how long it would take to get the air generators operational
during a power outage when shooting is occurring and if there is a procedure in getting customers to
evacuate the building due to lead exposure. Mr. Kennedy replied stating that if a power outage occurs, the
standard operating procedure is to cease fire at the firing line, pull back off the range and make weapons
safe so that no one is in that environment. Commissioner Black asked if there were emergency battery-
operated lights that would come on. Mr. Kennedy stated that staff would consider that engineering of the
design of the range. Commissioner Black stated his concerns with the brewery being so close to the
shooting range and asked if there were safety procedures to examine people who might have been
consuming alcohol. Mr. Goff stated that the standard operating procedures puts an onus on the range
safety officers (RSO) and they would have to identify that based on the orientation of the entrance.
Commissioner Black asked for verification that the standard operating procedures does not permit
automatic weapons on the range at all times. Mr. Goff stated yes.
Commissioner Segall asked if the church would be excluded from a large public assembly location
classification. Mr. Neu stated that churches were not included within the 600-foot buffer requirement. Mr.
Neu clarified the ordinance includes public and private schools, parks, day care facilities, residential uses,
and residentially designated land uses and/or zoning.
Chairperson Anderson referred to Chapter 4 of the operations manual and asked where the classes for
inexperienced shooters would take place. Mr. Goff replied stating that a range safety officer would instruct
an inexperienced shooter one on one at the shooting range. Chairperson Anderson inquired about the four
exterior doors. Mr. Goff stated that some of the doors of the building would remain closed for safety,
direction of the bullet travel as well as noise.
Commissioner Segall asked if a 20-foot buffer between the subject property and the neighboring building
is good planning. Mr. Kennedy replied stating that there is a maintenance space located behind the bullet
trap for access, storage and maintenance. Mr. Neu added that the ordinance states the requirement for a
shooting range is to be in a standalone building, specifically stating that it cannot be in a multi-tenant
building.
Chairperson Anderson asked if it is impossible to shoot a bullet out of a ceiling. Mr. Kennedy stated that
the trajectory of a bullet would be a straight-line shot and the facility is a no-tactical shooting range.
Commissioner Montgomery asked if the city has conducted a noise survey on the current ambient noise
around the project. Mr. Goff stated yes. Commissioner Montgomery stated his concerns with the facility
creating a nuisance to the surrounding properties.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of staff. Seeing none, she asked if the
applicant wished to make the presentation.
Mike Howes, 2888 Loker Avenue East, made a brief presentation and stated he would be available to
answer any questions.
Lisa Gunther made a brief presentation and stated she would be available to answer any questions.
Commissioner Anderson inquired about classroom requirements for inexperienced beginner shooters. Ms.
Gunther stated that she could see it as a one-on-one type of instruction held with a range officer and they
could be required to watch instructional videos for safety, knowledge and handling.
Greg Gunther, Gunther Gun's Gift Shop, commented that he is currently an NRA firearms instructor and
stated that the best way to train someone is one-on-one rather than a large group. He stated that they fully
intend on following all the noise restrictions and added that it would be great for the Planning Commission
to consider that they are in the direct path of Palomar Airport. He clarified that the ABC license for the
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brewery is for a tasting room and not a bar; and added that the owners would coordinate with them to utilize
a hand stamp on all of their customers to distinguish those who might be inebriated. Mr. Gunther added
that would help the range masters and stated that they would not have an issue with having a breathalyzer
equipment on site. Shooting requires a sober, clear thinking person and they will make sure that that is
always the case. Chairperson Anderson asked Mr. Gunther if it is his intent to run the business himself.
Mr. Gunther replied yes.
Commissioner Montgomery asked how Gunther Guns would reconcile with customers who rent firearms
with suicide prevention requirement. Ms. Gunther stated that they have never operated a shooting range
before and that the standard operating procedure is the best practices that they have gathered from
research, talking with Mr. Kennedy and others from the Carlsbad safety center. She stated that many
ranges typically would have the procedure of bringing a gun, therefore customers could then rent a gun, or
they go with the buddy system, as customers could not attend a shooting range by themselves and would
attend with a friend who already has firearms in order to rent a gun or have a range officer be with them in
the lane showing the various firearms for rental. Commissioner Montgomery inquired about the path if the
Gunther's want to amend or improve the standard operating procedures. Mr. Goff stated that it would be
an administrative process filed at the Faraday Administrative offices to allow it to happen with proper
oversight as mentioned in condition number 23 of the resolution addressing any future revisions or
modifications to the safety management plan directing it to the approval by the Carlsbad chief of police or
designee, Public Works director designee, or City Planner designee.
Commissioner L'Heureux asked what the standard number of range safety officers needed in the facility.
Mr. Gunther stated that the facility would have one full time range safety officer on the premises and in the
shooting lanes at all times.
Commissioner Black stated his concerns with background checks. Ms. Gunther commented that anyone
who comes to a range with a gun have already been through at least one background check because they
were able to purchase the gun. Commissioner Black asked if psychological background checks are a part
of the procedures. Ms. Gunther stated no. Commissioner Black added that he loves the idea of stamping
ink on customers' hands who have been visiting the tasting room. Mr. Gunther stated that they would be
more than happy to supply the inkpad and stamps to the brewery tasting room.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any further questions of the applicant. Seeing none, she asked
if any person in the audience wished to speak on the item.
Mark Freedman, 7967 Represa Circle, stated that he is excited about the idea of having a shooting range
close to home where he can go and safely practice the sport. He added that he likes being there and hopes
that the Planning Commission would approve the project.
David Fisher, 1 062 Beacon Bay Drive, stated that this project is not a judgement about firearms, supports
the idea of owning firearms and that people need to know how to operate, handle and store firearms
properly.
Bill lms, 2023 Caleta Court, stated that he strongly urges the Planning Commission to support the project
and added that he believes a gun range in Carlsbad will benefit everyone as shooting is a perishable sport
that requires training at all times. He stated that he is reluctant to practice because of the travel time spent
in driving to a shooting range outside the city where he lives and having a gun range just 10 minutes from
his home will encourage him to be more proficient and competent in using firearms.
Melanie Burkholder, 4040 Sunnyhill Drive, stated that she supports the project and that safety and quality
are important for Carlsbad.
Thomas Krause, 6637 Curlew Terrace, stated that he believes the best place for gun owners to practice
with their own weapons is in a shooting range indoors and added that the public is counting on the Planning
Commission to move the process to the next step.
Tom Rhatigan, 1074 Beacon Bay Drive, stated that parking and noise is not an issue for his business and
that he supports the project.
Amber Hansen, 3654 Spyglass Way, stated that she felt comfortable in the Gunther shop as a new shooter.
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Matt Foster, 1558 Trellis Lane, Escondido, 92026, commented that he supports the project and will be
driving from Escondido to Carlsbad to shoot at the range.
James Hansesn, 3654 Spyglass Way, stated that a shooting range would provide safety and security to the
community.
Chairperson Anderson asked if there were any members of the audience who wished to speak on the item.
Seeing none, Chairperson Anderson opened and closed public testimony on Agenda Item 6.
MOTION
A motion was made by Chairperson Anderson, which was seconded by Commissioner Segall, to extend
the meeting until10:30 p.m. The Commission voted 5-0-2 (Goyarts and Siekmann absent).
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Montgomery stated that the City of Carlsbad has one of the most restrictive ordinances
throughout the country and added that it will ensure the enjoyment, entertainment, and safety within the
city. He stated that the journey was arduous; he can make the findings for approval for the project as they
have met the intent of the ordinance and stated that the Gunther's are meeting a direct need for the citizens
of Carlsbad. Commissioner Montgomery wished Mr. and Mrs. Gunther much success.
Commissioner Black stated that he had some concerns with the close proximity of the brewery and trusts
Mr. Gunther will have the necessary training for people at the range to recognize for an inebriated person;
however, it is no longer a concern. He stated that his concerns with lead as power outage occurs has been
mitigated during discussion with staff and does not think it would be a problem. Commissioner Black stated
that he likes the idea of having the hand stamp when a person comes into the brewery. He stated that he
likes to shoot firearms as he has been shooting since he was 15 years old in both civilian and in the military.
He added that he has been in several indoor and outdoor shooting ranges and has seen the safety officer
perform his or her duty when something goes array such as a misfire, an accidental fire, dropping of a
weapon on the ground by accident causing an instant cease-fire on the line then that person who creates
the issue is talked to, depending on the severity of the situation, is asked to leave the range. Commissioner
Black stated that the safety in the range is not a problem with him with the way that it is set up. He feels
very good about it, as he has reviewed the material and all the findings have been made, he concurs and
agrees to this project.
Commissioner L'Heureux stated that he would like to thank staff, Mr. and Mrs. Gunther for the time and
dedication put into this project. He stated that he originally had a number of concerns in the area with
safety, parking, noise and compatibility that have all been answered. He is pleased to see the parking
spaces clustered around the property and should not have an impact on the surrounding businesses.
Commissioner L'Heureux suggested that the Commission consider amending condition number 11 that
addresses the length of the Conditional Use Permit and stated that he is concerned with the shooting range
being the first in town; Mr. and Mrs. Gunther admitting that they are new at the business and the operational
manual will be an evolving document. He concluded that he supports after 18 months that a report to the
commission for a status update be required. Commissioner L'Heureux can approve the project.
Commissioner Segall thanked staff for the detailed report and added that his biggest concern is he does
not think the buffer is adequate for him to make a finding to support the project and feels that it is not
compatible with the neighborhood. Commissioner Segall stated that he thought a shooting range located
in an area where there are no other businesses around would suffice enough for a buffer for sounds and
social reasons. He stated that he would support the amendment to the Conditional Use Permit and feels
very strongly that 10 years is too long.
Chairperson Anderson also thanked staff and the Gunther's for the length of time and effort. She concurs
with Commissioners L'Heureux and Segall in supporting a modification to the Conditional Use Permit.
Mr. Neu replied stating that whether the Commission adds the requirement or not, staff would annually
review the Conditional Use Permit without reporting to the Commission as annual reviews are handled at a
staff level. The same process is going to be undertaken by staff with the exception of taking something
back for a formal public examination, whether the Commission wants that level of involvement verses
delegating it to staff. Commissioner L'Heureux stated that he was thinking of suggesting an informational
report after 18 months with operational history rather than a review of the conditions for comfort level. Mr.
Neu stated that a status update in two years is more realistic as discussed.
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Commissioner Black stated asked if the nature of the reporting process could be handled during briefings.
Mr. Neu replied stating that the report back to the Commission would be an informational item, which would
be noticed and published only on the Agenda and not noticing the property owners within the required
notice radius for a Conditional Use Permit.
Commissioner Segall asked if violations of the Conditional Use Permit or operations were to occur before
the 2-year period would they be addressed. Mr. Neu stated yes.
MOTION
A motion was made by Segall, which was seconded by Commissioner L'Heureux to add a new condition
for the applicant and staff to report back to the Planning Commission at the end of the second full year of
operation. The Commission voted 5-0-2 (Goyarts and Siekmann absent).
MOTION
ACTION: Motion by Commissioner L'Heureux and duly seconded by Commissioner Black that
the Planning Commission adopt Planning Commission Resolution No. 7190
recommending approval of Conditional Use Permit CUP 15-09, based on the findings
and subject to the conditions contained therein including an additional condition as
previously agreed upon by the Commission.
VOTE: 4-1-2
AYES: Chairperson Anderson, Commissioner Black, Commissioner L'Heureux and
Commissioner Montgomery
NOES: Commissioner Segall
ABSENT: Commissioner Goyarts and Siekmann
ABSTAIN: None
COMMISSION COMMENTS
Commissioner Segall handed the Commission the Community Vision the EC3 came up with approved by
the City Council and stated that it would be good to hold on to. Commissioner Segall added that he will be
attending the League of California Cities Conference and has placed 9 topics out of all the information he
has received from his fellow Commissioners. He stated that he would report back to the Planning
Commission.
CITY PLANNER COMMENTS
None.
CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTS
None.
ADJOURNMENT
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of the Planning Commission of March 16, 2016 was adjourned at [m DONNE~
City Planner
Farah Nisan
Minutes Clerk