HomeMy WebLinkAbout1986-05-05; Traffic Safety Commission; MinutesMeeting of: TRAFFIC SA YdWXES ET C - Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: May 5, 1986
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CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Fuller called the Meeting to order at 3:Ol p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Chairman Fuller, Commissioners Erwin, Melideo,
and Wood.
3:03 p.m.
Commissioner O'Day arrived at
Absent : None.
Staff Members Present:
Kent Sears, Traffic Engineer
Officer Shipley, Police Department
Mike Shirey, Engineering Tech. I1
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Minutes of the Meeting held April 7, 1986, were approved as
presented.
REPORT ON ACTION FROM PREVIOUS MEETING:
Kent Sears reported Council approved the Commission's
recommendations for truck routes with the addition of a
portion of Rancho Santa Fe to Olivenhain to allow trucks
an escape route from that area.
Commissioner Wood inquired about the green curbing painted
on the opposite side of the street from Johnny's House of
Glass, and Kent Sears stated he would check into that.
ACTION ITEM:
1. Alicante - Speed Zone and Through Street
Chairman Fuller read the staff report on this item as
contained in the packet.
Dennis Price, 7515 Cadencia Street, stated he had traveled
this street and felt 35 m.p.h. would be a safe speed. Since
the street is not posted, that opens it up for much higher
speeds.
0. ti. Adams, 7043 Alicante, stated he had lived at that
address eight and a half years, and there are special problen
on that street. He explained in detail the blind spots and
hills on the street, along with the problem of the houses
sitting at the corner of Alicante and Alga Road. Also, there
is a problem with backing out of driveways all along the
street. Mr. Adams told of the units that are planned to be
built in the area, adding to the existing traffic. He added
that since January of this year, the dirt trucks go up and
down the street at 55 m.p.h., or more. The noise and
pollution cause a problem to everyone, including small
children who cannot nap due to the noise. Mr. Adams further
described the condominium projects to be built in the area.
D. Kleinman, 7019 Alicante, questioned the criteria for
a residential street, stating there are houses on this street
and driveways backing out into the street. He felt something
should be done now to avoid having accidents on the street,
rather than wait until the accidents occur. Mr. Adams
suggested lowering the speed limit now.
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Mr. Adams stated everyone in the neighborhood signed the
petition presented to the Commission, with the exception of
one lady who had just gotten a speeding ticket on Alga Road.
He said if the residents of the street want the speed limit
reduced, why couldn't it be reduced.
are the main problem at the present time, according to Mr.
Adams.
The construction trucks
Chairman Fuller noted for the record the petition signed by
the neighbors in the Alicante area had been received by the
Commission.
In answer to query regarding the present speed limit, Officer
Shipley stated this street does not meet the residential
street requirements. This would allow for 55 m.p.h. traffic.
Commissioner Erwin stated when you drive Alicante, it is a
residential street. He felt the speed limit should be 25 m.p.
Officer Shipley stated the Police Department and the Courts
would not support such a speed limit, inasmuch as the speed
study indicated the speed varies from approximately 34 m.p.h.
to 45 m.p.h.
Commissioner O'Day inquired whether other factors, such as
sight distance, had been checked by Engineering. He said ther
is a provision in the State Vehicle Code that allows for
special engineering reasons to post a lower speed limit than
is justified by a speed survey.
Commissioner O'Day said petitions can be signed in all
areas regarding speed on streets, but unless there is hard
evidence, radar is not enforcible unless the posted speed
is justified by speed surveys. He added that any secondary
arterial street designed today would be more restrictive as
to the number of driveways allowed.
Kent Sears agreed, stating a new secondary arterial street
would limit driveways to those with no other alternative.
Commissioner Melideo stated she agreed with staff's
recommendation, because this street is still not built out.
In the present state, she did not see how 25 m.p.h. speed
limit signs could be installed, since that would not be
warranted. Commissioner Melideo added if all the people who
signed the petition would drive 25 m.p.h., there would be
no problem.
Chairman Fuller commented the speed survey indicated most
drivers were in the 35 to 45 m.p.h. area.
Commissioner Wood added the people using the street live in
the area--there is no through traffic--and the people checked
in the speed survey were the people who live there. None of
those people were driving 25 or 30 m.p.h.--they were all drivi
between 35 and 45 m.p.h. The neighborhood could have a lower
speed limit by driving that way themselves, since they are
the majority of the traffic on the street.
Officer Shipley stated Engineering has a plan to stripe the
street with the same plan used on Kelly Drive. The complaints
on Kelly Drive were significant before the striping was done,
but have stopped since then. He felt the striping of the
street would slow the traffic down.
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Traffic Safety Commission accepted staff's recommendation
to request City Council to designate Alicante Road as a
through street.
Mr. Adams stated his approval of the striping, but felt there
should be no parking on the east side of Alicante in the first
section where the new Alga Hills will be built. The road
lanes need to be moved to the east to have room along the
side for parking in front of the houses and for walkers and
joggers.
Kent Sears explained a parking lane was included in the
design. They had thought about a bike lane, but decided not
to include this because part of Alicante is too narrow. The
suggestion was made to mark the parking lane, and Mr. Sears
said there was no need to mark that lane.
Mr. Adams disagreed, stating some drivers crowd over to the
right side and a parking lane would help keep them over
toward the center.
In answer to query, Kent Sears explained the reasons for a
two-way left-turn lane in the middle of the street, stating
this tends to affect driver behavior and eliminates space
in the middle of the street.
Kent Sears recommended against this lane marking, stating it
would require more maintenance and there would be no official
recognition of such a lane.
Traffic Safety Commission recommended to staff to include
a marked parking lane on the west side of Alicante.
Commissioner O'Day said he could support posting 40 m.p.h. on
Alicante, with Engineering to study the conditions on the
street with regard to sight distance, etc., to bring the
speed limit down to 35 m.p.h.
Kent Sears recommended the City paint the street and wait a
few weeks until traffic gets used to it; then do another
survey to determine whether there are any conditions to
warrant a lower speed limit.
Mr. Adams commented Carlsbad was the only City he had lived
in with no posted speed limits. He said there are only two
Policemen assigned to the La Costa area, which was certainly
not enough.
Commissioner Melideo made a motion to approve staff's
recommendation. The motion died for lack of a second.
Traffic Safety Commission approved staff's recommendation to
stripe Alicante Road and directed another speed survey be
conducted after traffic has become accustomed to the striping.
Also, Engineering should study any special circumstances to
determine whether a lower speed limit could be enforced.
Kent Sears added staff could return with this item in
two months to determine further action.
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ITEMS FROM COMMISSIONERS:
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Commissioner Erwin made a motion to place stop signs at the
following intersections on Levante and the intersecting
streets:
1. Levante and Romeria
2. Levante and Calle Madero
3. Levante and Nueva Castilla Way
At the time these signs are installed, the appropriate warnin
signs should be installed also.
Commissioner O'Day seconded the motion, and stated this was
a difficult position.
speeding and petitions have been presented. The Commission
has been warned that putting stop signs in causes more
accidents and more severe accidents. With the school being
built at Levante and Romeria, he stated he was willing to try
these stop signs to see if it would help control traffic.
It is not being done because people ar
Commissioner Erwin stated he made this motion to help
regulate traffic. He did not know whether it would reduce
speed on the street, but felt it would help regulate the
traffic.
Chairman Fuller added he thought a stop sign would be
needed when the school was built.
Kent Sears commented on stop signs, stating the only reason
engineers install stop signs is to control the right-of-way;
who goes when. When an all-way stop is considered, it is
done to allow the minor street driver time to pull onto the
major street. From past studies on Levante, there is ample
time to enter the street at all three of these streets.
As far as speed reduction, Mr. Sears said it would reduce
speed within 100 to 200 feet of the stop signs, but otherwise
the speed would remain the same. Pollution, noise and
accidents would increase with the stop signs. There is no
reason to install these signs and the negative effects would
outweigh any positive result.
installing these stop signs.
He recommended against
Commissioner Erwin withdrew his motion, with the consent of
the second.
Traffic Safety Commission recommended, due to the
construction of the new elementary school at the corner of
Romeria and Levante, that stop signs be placed at that
intersection. At the time the signs are installed, the
appropriate warning signs will be installed.
ITEMS FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER:
Kent Sears announced this would be his last meeting, as he
was leaving City employment.
The Traffic Safety Commission voted unanimously to wish Kent
Sears the best of luck in his new endeavors and to thank him
for his service and consideration in the past.
Fuller
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ADJOURNMENT :
By proper motion, the Meeting of May 6, 1986, was adjourned
at 4:05 p.m.
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
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