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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1986-08-04; Traffic Safety Commission; MinutesMINUTES Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m. Date of Meeting: August 4, 1986 Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers COMMISSIONERS CALL. TO. ORDER : Chairman Fuller called the Meeting to order at 3:Ol p.m. ROLL;.CAL;L: Present - Chairman Fuller, Commissioners Erwin and Melideo. Absent - Commissioner 0’ day. Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Principal Engineer Mike Shir ey, Engineering Technician Sergeant Shipley, Police Department APPROVAL.OF.MINUTES: Minutes of the Meeting held July 7, 1986, were approved as presented. REPORT.ON.ACTION.FROM-PREVIOUS-MEETING: Bob Johnson reported he had written a memorandum to the City Attorney expressing the concern of the Traffic Safety Commission with regard to the two-and three-axle trucks on La Costa. answer. As yet, Mr. 3ohnson has not received an Chairman Fuller stated he wished to be informed of the results of the meeting on the truck problem and the status of Rancho Santa Fe Road. He stated when that facility is brought up to standard, the people may want to look at the truck route problem again. ACTION - ITEMS : 3. Keily.Drfve.and.Park.Brive.Intersection.-~Request.for Additional. Stop .Signs. Chairman Fuller announced there was a request to contime Item No. 3 until the October Meeting. By consensus of the Commission, this item was continued until the October Meeting. and if possible for him to appear at the September Meeting , it will be scheduled. Staff stated they would contact the petitioner, 1. Garfie1d.Street.between-Efm-Avenue-andGrand.Avenue -.Request.to.Cfose-Street. Chairman Fuller read the staff report as contained in the Agenda Packet. Chris Salomone, Housing and Redevelopment Manager, used a wall chart to show the Redevelopment Area. the portion of Garfield Street between Elm Aveme and Grand Avenue staff was requesting to be closed for a public parking lot. He indicated Fuller Erwin Melideo \ \ MINUTES 4 August 4, 1986 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 2 COMMISSIONERS ACTION. ITEMS : Mr. Salomone explained the closing of Garfield Street was not a new idea and the City Attorney's report on the findings on closing that portion of Garfield Street was dated 1981. This was considered when the Redevelopment Area was first formed. be a priority item at this time. The street functions as a defacto parking lotat the present time, with an unorganized street pattern. improvements and parking on the west side would be illegal if the street were designate a street. conform to City standards. The street has not presented any problems, but the reasons for pursuing the parking lot status at this time would be an opportunity to install public improvements, landscaping, lighting and create a public parking lot. This would not necessarily create a lot with more parking spces, but it would organize this site visually and beatify the area. ( cont irmed) Several things are forcing this to The street lacks public It would not Mr. Salomone stated the Carlsbad Inn project has also become a factor in forcing this parking lot. Council has given the Redevelopment Agency funding to begin the improvement on Elm Avenue and Carlsbad Boulevard corridors. The Elm Averwe portion would likely result in the eliminating of onstreet parking on Elm Avenue. Eventually, Elm Avenue will need four lanes of traffic. This parking lot could mitigate that loss of parking. Salomone continued, stating Redevelopment Agency was in a position to use the funds to improve the Redevelopment Area. The studies that have been done in the Redevelopment Area indicate the need for public parking. Also, Carlsbad Inn came to Council short of parking spaces and were charged with having to generate these parking space before they could build the final condominium units. The City Mr. Mr. Salmone stated staff would like to start the improvement of this area as soon as possible. It would be necessary to hire an engineering firm to design the parking lot and bring that back to this Commission, as well as to the City Council. packet was drawn by staff and would not be the final design. Commissioners an idea of the possibilities available in this parking area. The design contained in the This was included merely to give the Mr. Salomone stated there were merits to dressing up that street and improving it. By changing it into a public parking lot, the standards would be changed to the point where the improvements could be made and the parking that is now illegal, could be made legal. Chairman Fuller asked whether there were other property owners that should have been notified, inasmuch as Mr. Dunbrow, the owner of Ocean Manor Motel, stated he found out about this request today. Mr. Salomone stated there are owners up and down the street and he thought Engineering had talked with all of them. Some of the property owners had been contacted. MINUTES August 4, 1986 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 3 COMMISSIONERS ACTION. ITEMS : ( continued) Chairman Fuller commented the property lines are not observed on Garfield Street and on Elm Avenue in that area. Mr. Salomone stated this redesignation would enable the City to dress up the street, put in curbs, gutters and sidewalks similar to the other streetscape projects. Staff reiterated the west side parking would have to be eliminated if the street remains a street. If the street is made into a public parking lot, the standards would change and that parking could be made legal. Commission discussion followed, with staff regarding the possibility of having a design drawn first before the approval to close the street. Mr. Salomone felt it would not be possible to let a contract for the design without the concept of the parking lot having been approved. Chairman Fuller stated he was not opposed to the improvement, if it is really an improvement, but he was concerned about tdcing action when it was not certain what the end result would be. Commissioner Melideo stated the TAC Committee has been studying this area and had been attempting to make some type of recommendation for this area. that Roy Sanchez is the representative from the Housing and Redevelopment Advisory Committee. Commissioner Melideo suggested Mr. Salomone meet with this committee to compare notes on recommendations on that area. It was determined The suggestion was made to give this street an alley status, but staff stated this would not change the requirements. The only way to legalize the existing parking is to designate the area a public parking area. Staff explained the street would not be closed for traffic--it would just be designated a public parking lot. Chairman Fuller stated the Redevelopment Agency, property owners and Members of the TAC Committee need to meet together to discuss this situation to arrive at a definite plan. Bob 3ohnson stated this would not be a street vacation, but would be a street closure. By closing the street to through traffic, a different set of standards would apply to the area. The consultant could decide on a suitable design and this would not have to comply with City parking standards for public streets. In answer to Commission query, staff indicated the entire street is in the Redevelopment Area. MINUTES August 4, 1986 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 4 COMMISSIONERS ACTION ITEMS : (continued ) Mr. Salomone indicated another area on the map, Garfield Street between Beech Street and Christensen Way. also been suggested as a public parking area. that would be a street vacation and not a street closure. That has However, The Traffic Safety Commission recommended staff, TAC Committee, property owners and anyone else concerned with this area of Garfield Street between Elm Avenue and Grand Avenue, meet together to determine the best procedure to follow to design this area for a public parking lot. 2. A~icante.RoadfE~.Fuerte.Street.L.Request.for.Speed Limit. - Chairman Fuller read the staff report as contained in the Agenda packet. Dennis Price, 7515 Cadencia, stated he would recommend 35 mph speed limit for this area of Alicante Road. Staff indicated the striping, as originally recommended, would not help the problem. Seargeant Shipley stated the Police Department would be unable to enforce a 35 mph speed limit, inasmuch as 48 mph was the 85th percentile. Commissioner Melideo made a motion to accept staff's recommendation to post 40 mph speed limit on Alicante Road/El Fuerte Street within the limit discussed in the report. The motion died for lack of a second. The Traffic Safety Commission recommended posting a speed limit of 35 mph in the Alicante Road/El Fuerte Street, with no additional striping to designate a parking lane at this time. 3. Kelly- Drive and.Park.Drfve. Intersection. ;.Request.for Addftional-Stop'Signs. This item was continued until the October Meeting. ITEMS-FROM-COMMISSIONERS: Commissioner Erwin announced Fred Wise, Principal of La Costa Meadows School, would be holding a meeting tommorrow at 3:15 p.m., to discuss the concerns of the school with regard to traffic. This will be in the Principal's office and the Commissioners are invited to attend. Commissioner Erwin made a motion to recommend to the City Council if a truck route is ever established on Rancho Santa Fe Road, that the citizens of Carlsbad should receive for damages no less than what the City Council of San Marcos deemed fitting for its citizens. That fee has been estalished at $430 per round trip for each refuge vehicle. The monies collected would be used specifically to aid those citizens of Carlsbad most damaged by the change. The motion died for lack of a second. Fuller Erwin Melideo Fuller Erwin Melideo h MINUTES 1TEW.FROM.TRAFFIE.ENGINEER: Bob Johnson reported the upper portion of Cadencia Street has been posted for 25 mph and the Agenda Bill will be before the City Council tommorrow evening. Mr. 3ohnson stated staff and elected officials have been attending the Highway 78 Advisory Committee Meeting and asked whether any of the Commissioners would like to be included in those meetings. present, Fuller, Erwin and Melideo, all stated they would like to attend those meetings. The three Commissioners AD30URHMENT: By proper motion, the Meeting of August 4, 1986, was adjourned at 4:18 p.m. Re pectfully submitted, #d w Harriett Babbitt Minutes Clerk HB/ tb r