HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987-07-06; Traffic Safety Commission; Minutesn
MINUTES
Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
Date of Meeting: 3uly 6, 1987
Place of Meeting:
Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m. 4
City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman O'Day called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present - Chairman O-Day , Commissioners Erwin,
Fuller, Herring and Melideo.
Absent - None.
Staff Members Present: Bob 3ohnson, Principal Civil
Mike Shirey, Engineering Ted I1
Officer Shipley
Chris Salomone, Community Developmer
Manager
Nancy Rollman, Associate Planner
Mike Holzmiller, Planning Director
Engineer
APPPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Minutes of the Meeting held June 1, 1987, were approved
as presented.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
No one was present to speak before the Commission.
OLD BUSINESS:
Bob Johnson reported the actual construction of the widenin!
of Rancho Santa Fe Road between La Costa Avenue and
Olivenhain Road is scheduled to be completed in about three
weeks. The intersection of La Costa and El Camino Real and
the mitigation of the lagoon is due to be under constructioi
at this time:
NEW BUSINESS:
A. Alley West of State Street Beginning North of
Christiansen Wav (Cedar Street) - Request for Parking o
One Side of the" Alley.
Bob Johnson gave the staff presentation on this item as
contained in the Agenda, referring to Exhibit 1 in the
packet. Parking in this alley would hinder the Fire
Department and the Police Department cannot see any activit;
taking place in the alley if parking is allowed. The Policl
Department recommended no parking in the alley during night
hours.
Traffic Safety Commission adopted the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee recommendation for no parking on the
easterly side of the alley and no parking on the westerly
side between the hours of 1O:OO p.m. and 6:OO a.m.
0' Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
0 Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
X
X
MINUTES
PAGE 2 /\l\ 9 s
3uly 6, 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION - COMMISSIONERS
B. Alley West of State Street Between Elm Avenue and
Grand Avene - Request for Two-Hour Parking
Designat ion.
Bob 3ohnson gave the staff presentation as contained in
the packet. Chris Salomone will be studying how the loss
of parking on Elm Avenue can be replaced, and this item
will be considered at that time. Shoppers need to be
downtown more than two hours, and employees need a place
to park without too far to walk. The Coordinating
Committee recommended in addition to the study Mr.
Salomone is conducting, staff work on determining which
lots should have two-hour parking and which lots should be
for employees and shoppers on a long-term basis,
A transparency was used to show the parking area, and this
was contained in the packet as Exhibit 1.
Roy Sanchez, 3482 Roosevelt, requested no parking signs be
posted south of Oak between Madison and Roosevelt on the
alley; also south to Chestnut and to the deadend. He
added that on Pine the City needs to post no parking in
the alley.
the study being done at the present time. Utilities and
Maintenance Department has a list of the alleys and they
are in the process of installing signs. Staff will check
to make certain these areas are included.
Staff replied all these areas are included in
Wendy Sparks from The Alley Restaurant, 431 Grand,
addressed the Commission stating they initiated this
request as they have a parking problem for their
customers.
day, leaving no space for the restaurant customers,
added there are even disabled cars parked there, and some
people park there to take the bus to work.
concluded, stating they do need their parking and two-hour
parking would help turn the spaces over to allow
restaurant customers to park there.
Employees park in that area for the entire
She
Ms. Sparks
Mario Monroy, 3610 Carlsbad Boulevard, stated he had
attended a meeting for the proposed streetscaping, and he
was concerned about the parking. He suggested the
Commission adopt the staff recommendation.
Chairman O'Day closed the public comment portion.
Commissioner Erwin recommended the request for two-
hour parking in the lot between Elm Avenue and Grand
Avenue next to the depot be considered after evaluating
all existing and future parking lots in the downtown area
for appropriate time limits. llntil that time, a decision
cannot be made.
Commissioner Herring said he was sensitive to the problem,
as restaurants rely on the number of times tables empty.
He felt staff should move as quickly as possible to
complete this study.
MINUTES
July 6, 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 3 COMMISSIONERS
Chris Salomone stated the utility poles are to be removed
and lines put underground the end of the summer, and the
lighting will be improved. That will help the safety
problem of the alley.
what could be done about people parking there to take the
bus, Mr. Salomone stated there was nothing to be done.
Employees of downtown businesses could be asked to park
somewhere else. Ms. Sparks added the daytime hours are
the problem, with lunch time particularly bad.
In answer to Commission query as to
Traffic Safety Commission adopted the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee recommendation, mended to read
the request will be considered after evaluatiing all
existing and future parking lots in the downtown area
for appropriate time limits.
C. Alga Road between El Fuerte Street and Melrose Drive - Establish Prima Facie Speed Limit.
Bob Johnson gave the staff presentation as contained in
the staff report.
Traffic Safety Commission adopted the recommendation of
the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a
prima facie speed limit of 45 m.p.h. on Alga Road between
El Fuerte Street and Melrose Drive.
D. Melrose Drive between Alga Road and Rancho Santa Fe
Road - Establish Prima Facie Speed Limit. -
Bob Johnson reported this was the same situation as the
previous item, with the same circumstances.
Traffic Safety Commission adopted the recommendation of
the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a
prima facie speed limit of 45 m.p.h. on Melrose Drive
between Alga Road and Rancho Santa Fe Road.
E. Downtown Pedestrian Circulation Study - Request to
Form a Citizens' Committee to Implement
Recommendations Contained in the Report.
Bob Johnson reported Thelma Hayes was requesting the
Pedestrian Circulation Study recommendations be implemented
through formation of an ad hoc committee of interested
citizens. The Redevelopment Area goal is to encourage
pedestrian activity and provide an outdoor atmosphere.
The Utilities and Maintenance Department is widening
Madison and Laguna, and various projects are before the
Housing and Redevelopment Committee at the present time.
Mr. Johnson stated the Coordinating Committee did not feel
another committee would accomplish more than is being done
at the present time.
In answer to Commission query, staff indicated there would
be public workshops on the streetscape to allow for public
input.
O'Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herr i ng
Melideo
0 Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
O'Day
Erwin
Ful le r
Herring
Melideo
-
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
r.
MINUTES
h
3uly 6, 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 4 COMMISSIONERS
Thomas Lichterman, 311 South Tremont, Oceanside,
representing North County Transit District, stated he was
present to answer any questions regarding the transit
access portion of the study. He stated the City of
Carlsbad participates in the design review plan for
subdivisions, and when a significant construction project
is planned anywhere in the City, NCTD receives a blueline
early.
the City.
If there are any concerns, they send it back to
Mr, Lichterman used a transparency showing an overlay of
the existing bus routes and stops. He said he would give
that map to the City. Most of the service is on Elm and
Grand, and the major transfer is at Grand and Washington.
He stated NCTD talks with the City and is aware of the
problems--however, they do not move bus stops because of
passenger complaints.
Harold Clarke, 824 Caminito Del Reposo, addressed the
Commission in favor of a Pedestrian Committee, stating that
committee might help keep the Engineering Department on
track. This study extends into the special treatment area,
and Mr. Clarke said it is time to request consideration of
Washington as an alternative to northlsouth vehicle
traffic, alleviate the pedestrian hazard on Carlsbad
Boulevard and encourage residents to include off-street
parking areas in the rent. Mr, Clarke concluded his
remarks stating over-night street parking and abandoned-
car street parking should be eliminated.
Thelma Hayes, 580 Laguna Drive, stated she is a Member of
the Housing and Redevelopment Advisory Committee and is
aware of the pedestrian problems.
committee, or whatever they would like to call the group,
to develop a policy for the pedestrians in all of
Carlsbad. Mrs. Hayes stated she has been working on this
problem for many years and would like to improve the lot
of the pedestrian, adding so far she has not been that
successful. She would like a policy to promote the
safety and canfort of the pedestrian.
She requested an ad hoc
Mrs, Hayes stated the policy now is to eliminate marked
crosswalks, as engineers feel the pedestrian is safer on
his own. She felt that was a policy of survival--and
should be something more than that. The committee could
formulate guidelines based on a general policy for the
pedestrian, which is non-existent at this time. The
comment had been made that pedestrians are safer while
" jay-walking".
Commissioner Fuller commented he felt this was a Planning
Department matter. Mrs. Hayes answered this Commission
was to establish the policy on traffic safety--and there
is no overall policy and a lack of pedestrian policy.
Mrs. Hayes stated it would be better to act first and get
a policy, rather than to react. There should be
pedestrian guidance what to do in certain intersections
where there is a question as to the safe way to proceed.
Part of the recommendation was for an educational program to tie in with the schools.
MINUTES
July 67 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 5 COMMISSIONERS
Mrs. Hayes concluded her remarks stating she felt a committee would help accomplish the setting of guidelines for pedestrians.
L. 0. Brockmann, 5511 Los Robles Drive, discussed
pedestrian traffic on Carlsbad Boulevard, and particularly
at the corners of Manzano Drive and Cannon Road.
Mr. Brockmann supported Mrs. Hayes' request, as getting more citizens involved would be a good thing, even if the
work did overlap other groups.
Marion Gast, 7212 San lucas, Senior Citizen Commission
Member, stated her husband has been ill 12 years, and the
seniors' lives are at stake if they do not walk with
controlled traffic.
Richard games, 5249 Los Robles, Terramar, stated it is an
issue of pedestrian survival, and crosswalks have become an athletic event. He reiterated the danger of the
intersection at Cannon Road and Carlsbad Boulevard.
Mario Monroy, 3610 Carlsbad Boulevard, stated this
committee would be a way for the pedestrians to have
input. He also added the pedestrian safety should be the
concern of this Commission; if it is not, then the duties
should be expanded to include this.
the pedestrian to have input at the present time, and Mr.
Monroy felt a committee would provide that opportunity.
There is no way for
Commissioner Melideo answered Mr. Monroy, stating this
Commission has always considered pedestrian safety and many items before this Commission involve such problems.
Mr . Monroy requested a clear responsibility be established for the pedestrian, to enable him to present problems to
the correct body. The Commissioners indicated pedestrian safety problems should be submitted to this Commission.
Margaret Bonas, 231 Olive Avenue, stated she has walked
Carlsbad Boulevard and the beach for many years, and is
concerned with pedestrian safety. She commented on the
speed of cars on Carlsbad Boulevard and stated she would
like the tourists to walk in safety. Drivers no longer
recognize people in a crosswalk, and there are four lanes to run across on Carlsbad Boulevard. Mrs. Bonas suggested
stop signs on every other corner to slow the traffic down.
Roy Sanchez, 3482 Roosevelt, spoke in favor of a temporary committee, stating they might be able to improve the
conditions. He added the Beach Study is an overlay on the Redevelopment Area, and should be read.
Chairman O'Day closed the public comment portion.
Commissioner Melideo stated all problems are being
considered and worked on, with everyone aware of the problems.
things work faster.
She did not feel another committee could make
MINUTES
July 6, 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 6 COMMISSIONERS
Commissioner Erwin stated Mrs. Hayes had made one very
important point, and that was being reactive on individual
problems and situations. He felt an overall policy was
needed, but was not in favor of another canmittee. A
temporary committee to formulate a pedestrian policy was a
good suggetion.
Commissioner Fuller canmented the report is being
implemented. On the question of policy, he felt there
should be a pedestrian policy in the General Plan to guide the progress of the City.
additional committee at this time, and the immediate problems are the purview of this Commission.
He did not see the need for an
Bob 3ohnson answered the pedestrian issues are in the
Circulation Element of the General Plan.
Chairman O'Day commented there is no one place to go for
pedestrian input.
something more specific and reconsider this matter later.
Chairman O'Day suggested an outline and makeup of the committee and charge be submitted for further study. Mrs. Hayes stated she would make such an outline and bring it
to the next meeting.
He stated he would like to see
Traffic Safety Commission tabled this item to the October
5, 1987 meeting. Mrs. Hayes is to bring a specific
proposal to the Commission with regard to the makeup of
the canmittee and their specific charge.
RECESS :
Chairman O'Day declared a recess at 4:55 p.m., and the
Commission re-convened at 5:OO p.m.
F. North Beach Planning/Traffic Study - Request for
Comments and Recommendations on Information Contained
in the Report.
Nancy Rollman, Associate Planner, Planning Department,
gave the staff report on the draft report of the North
Beach PlanningITraffic Study, using transparencies to show
the area included in the study and the special treatment
area.
There were six objectives and goals in the beach area:
Provide safe/efficient circulation systems for cars,
bicycles and pedestrians
Walkways/bicycle paths to have equal weight with future
facilities for automobiles
Elm and Tamarack Avenues recognized as North Carlsbad's gateways to the ocean
Recognize Carlsbad Boulevard as a combined regional xenic highway and as the beach area's front porch
0' Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
r\ 9 s -
X
X
X
X
X
MINUTES py 121 g
3uly 6, 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 7
F - COMMISSIONERS
Provide parking on-site for future development
Accept some congestion during peak beach days, but seek to
minimize intrusion on residential areas.
Ms. Rollman stated 40 recommendations had been made, and
she would focus on traffic, circulation and parking.
She referred to the report, asking the Commissioners to follow along in their copy.
Ms. Rollman asked for comments or recommendations from the
Commissioners. There will be a public meeting and the
report will be sent back to the advisory group before it
goes to the Planning Commission and Council.
Commissioner Erwin inquired why walkways were not to be
included throughout the area, and Ms. Rollman answered
some areas are rural in character and would not need
sidewalks. Commissioner Melideo questioned that, stating that was not the recommendation of the committee. The committee felt there should be sidewalks.
Mike Holzmiller, Planning Director, stated this was the
draft report from the consultants and did not contain the recommendations of the committee.
Commissioner Melideo reiteraated the desire of the
committee was to have sidewalks throughout the entire
area, and to have the railroad right-of-way used for beach
parking.
Roy Sanchez stated Tamarack and 1-5 is a trouble spot, and the ramps should be re-designed instead of installing
signals .
Chairman O'Day closed the public portion at 5:25 p.m.
Commissioner Melideo stated she did not want the paragraph about no sidewalks to remain in the report. The committee
had discussed that and wanted sidewalks.
Commissioner Erwin said Carlsbad Boulevard needs
synchronized signals to get the pedestrians across the street. He felt some of the problems on Carlsbad
Boulevard need more time. He mentioned the Militaray
School, and the area south of Elm to Cannon, and the fact
those items had been postponed until a later time.
Commissioner Fuller felt a traffic signal was needed on
Carlsbad Boulevard in the vicinity of Chestnut--right
away, and he agreed with the recommended study to design a detailed plan for Carlsbad Boulevard.
Commissioner Herring agreed about the traffic signal , and felt the crosswalks should be left on Carlsbad Boulevard,
with synchronized signals.
Commissioner Erwin suggested the people involved in the items postponed by the Commission should be notified and
be placed back on the agenda before any recommendations
are made on Carlsbad Boulevard.
/-
MINUTES
3uly 6, 1987 TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION Page 8 COMMISSIONERS
Traffic Safety Commission recommended changing
Recommendation 527 as follows:
The crosswalks are to be left on Carlsbad Boulevard and a
traffic signal installed at Chestnut or the near vicinity.
Traffic Safety Commission recommended the following change
for Recommendation #29:
Amendment to original motion was to change the motion to
read: north beach area instead of entire City of Carlsbad.
Amended motion read: Encourage the use of sidewalks in
the north beach area.
Commissioner Herring left the meeting at 5:50 p.m.
Mike Holzmiller commented the intent was to not force
sidewalks on both sides of the street in areas where
sidewalks might detract from the character of the
neighborhood.
Commissioner Melideo stated this is the beach area and
there is a lot of foot traffic.
A motion was made and seconded to re-consider
Recommendation W29 and the wording.
changed to read: Pedestrian Walkways to be implemented
wherever possible in the STA, where it will not detract
from the character of the neighborhood. In some cases,
provision of sidewalks throughout the STA area is
essential from the standpoint of pedestrian volumes.
The wording was to be
The motion failed due to the lack of a majority.
Mike Holzmiller stated Recommendation C29 needed better
wording, and sidewalks were needed. This should be
considered on a case-by-case basis.
Commissioner Erwin said the wording should be amended so
the burden is placed on those not wanting sidwalks.
Traffic Safety Commission recommended the wording on
Recommendation W29 be changed to include this being
considered on a case-by-case basis.
0 I Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
0' Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
0 I Day
Erwin
Ful le r
Herrinq
Melideo
0' Day
Erwin
Fuller
Melideo
0 Day
Erwin
Fuller
Melideo
3 -
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X x
MINUTES
Traffic Safety Commission approved the remainder of the
North Beach PlanningITraffic Study report as it pertained
to traffic safety.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
Commissioner Erwin reported the recommendations for Rancho
Santa Fe Road were to have it remain a prime arterial and
remain in the general area of the present location.
Mitigation will take place for the noise problems.
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of 3uly 6, 1987, was
adjourned at 6:04 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
$-t5/
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
0 I Day
Erwin
Fuller
Melideo