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Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: November 2, 1987
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers /)'\
COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman O'Day called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present -- Chairman O'Day, Commissioners Erwin,
Fuller, Herring and Melideo.
Absent -- None.
Staff Members Present: Bob gohnson, Principal Civil
Mike Shirey, Engineering Tech I1
Engineer
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Minutes of the Meeting held October 5, 1987, were
approved as presented.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
No one was present to speak before the Commission.
OLD BUSINESS:
Bob 3ohnson reported the Commission had referred the
pedestrian education issue to the City Manager.
written a memorandum to the City Manager and will meet
with him this week to discuss this.
He had
Mr. Johnson wrote a memorandum to Mike Holzmiller,
Planning Director, with regard to a Pedestrian Element,
and he responded that Mr. 3ohnson should initiate an
agenda bill to go before Council for them to refer the
matter to the Planning Commission. Mr. 3ohnson stated
that will be done.
Mr. 3ohnson reported on the speed limit on Cadencia
Street, stating a 25 m.p.h. prima facie speed limit had
been established six months ago, and staff was requested
to do a speed survey after six months. That survey was
done, and on the upper portion near Carpa Court, the
critical speed in 3uly of 1986, was 41 m.p.h., and in the
recent survey the speed was 42 m.p.h.
speed limit was posted, the speed increased one m.p.h.
Near Del Rey, in 3uly of 1986, the speed was 42 m.p.h.,
and recently it was 46 m.p.h., an increase of 4 m.p.h.
The Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee has been
discussing this speed limit and will be studying this
further.
As soon as the
A report will be forthcoming to this Commission.
0 ' Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
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In answer to Commission query regarding the time of day the
survey was made, Mr. 3ohnson stated between 1:45 p.m. and
4:OO p.m. The consensus of the Commissioners was that this
is local traffic that is exceeding the speed limit, and Mr.
3ohnson stated that many times the complaints received by
them on speeding turns out to be the local residents.
NEW BUSINESS:
A. Carlsbad Boulevard at Cerezo Drive - Request for
painted crosswalk on Carlsbad Boulevard.
Bob Johnson gave the staff presentation on this item,
stating a painted crosswalk gives a false sense of security
to pedestrians, but does not provide the protection people
think it does. This is supposed to encourage groups of
people to cross at that spot, but to the motorist it is not
as visible.
motorist views a crosswalk, and Mr. 3ohnson indicated
motorists do not observe crosswalks as well as pedestrians.
It cannot be assumed that a driver sees the crosswalk.
There are up to 7.5 times more accidents at an uncontrolled
intersection where there is a crosswalk, than at unmarked
corners.
A transparency was used to indicate how a
Mr. 3ohnson stated at Carlsbad Boulevard and Cerezo Drive
the sight distance is good and pedestrian volumes are low.
There have been no reported accidents at that location, and
the posted speed limit is 35 m.p.h.--however, the critical
speed is higher.
Staff conducted a gap study during peak hours to determine
whether pedestrians had enough time to cross the street,
and in every five-minute period, there was a minimum of six
gaps that would allow pedestrians to cross before the next
vehicle arrived.
Mr. 3ohnson reported that in the first nine months of this
year, there were twelve accidents involving pedestrians--
five at intersections and four of those with marked
crosswalks. Of the four, three had controls.
Mr. 3ohnson stated the City does paint crosswalks, where there are traffic signals and heavy pedestrian use, with
some at stop signs.
Bailey Noble, 5470 Los Robles, addressed the Commission
asking for the crosswalk, stating that neighborhood wanted
the same tr'eatment as they receive north of Agua Hedionda
Lagoon, and the residents in that area feel some help is
needed to assist them in getting across the street.
Noble stated assistance is needed to improve the pedestrian
safety in that area.
Mr.
Chairman O'Day stated that in approximately a year, a
signal will be installed at Cannon Road, and that should
help with the gap time for pedestrians to cross the street.
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Marjorie Monroy, 3610 Carlsbad Boulevard, stated she
shared Mr. Noble's frustration, as there seems to be no
solution. Crosswalks don't work and the traffic can't
be slowed down. She requested a copy of the traffic
studies and staff indicated they would supply those.
Since no one else wished to speak on this matter, the
public testimony portion was closed.
Commissioner Erwin stated that without a signal or a
stop sign, he could not support a crosswalk. He would
support a three-way stop or signal in the future.
Commissioner Melideo stated the motorists need to be
educated to know they should stop when people are trying
to cross the streets.
Commissioner Fuller stated the police are out there on
Carlsbad Boulevard, and he believed the light at Cannon
Road would help in providing additional gaps in traffic.
He stated the reports are valid and with that
information he could not support a crosswalk at this
t ime .
Commissioner Herring said he knew crosswalks were
dangerous and not the answer to pedestrian safety.
Chairman O'Day commented he could appreciate the problem
and the frustration of the pedestrians.
Traffic Safety Commission approved the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee recommendation, as follows:
1. A painted crosswalk not be installed on Carlsbad
Boulevard at its intersection with Cerezo Drive.
2. The Police Department continue to enforce pedestrian
right-of-way that is violated by drivers of motor
vehicles.
3. Staff develop a policy for the installation and
removal of painted crosswalks at uncontrolled
intersections and present the findings at a future
Traffic Safety Commission meeting.
Commissioner Erwin suggested the Commission recommend the
Police Department concentrate on that area for a while.
6. Calavera Hills - Request for "NO PARKING" zone on one
side of Middleton Drive, Woodstock Street and Glasgow
Drive.
Bob 3ohnson gave the staff report, using a transparency to
show the recommended parking for this area, and listing
the requests of Mr. Watson with regard to parking.
Staff indicated a no-right-turn out of the park was
requested to keep people from turning into the development.
reason to require a no-right-turn.
There are no obstructions there and no
O'Day
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
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Ray NcNay, 2905 Lancaster, addressed the Commission,
stating a no-right-turn was wanted there to ensure no
invasion of the residents' privacy. The City agreed to
put signs at Tamarack and Edinburgh and divert traffic up
Tamarack, right on Elm and on to Glasgow into the park, to
preserve the privacy of the neighborhood and cut down on
traffic.
Since no one else wished to speak on this item, the public
testimony portion was closed.
Traffic Safety Commission approved the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee recommendation, as follows:
1. Do not restrict parking on Glasgow Drive.
2. Create a "NO PARKING" zone on the northerly and
easterly sides of Middleton Drive and Woodstock
Street.
3. Evaluate the request for a painted crosswalk and 4-
way STOP at the park entrance after the park opens
and traffic volumes increase.
4. Do not install a llNO-RIGHT-TURN1l sign at the park
exit to Glasgow Drive.
5. Do not install a l'STOP1l sign on New Haven Place at
the Middleton Drive intersection.
6. Do not install a "STOPt1 sign at the Middleton
DrivelWoodstock Street intersection.
7. Install a "STOP" sign on Dover Way at the Woodstock
Street intersection.
8. Do not istall a "NO OUTLETI1 sign on Woodstock
Street, immediately east of Middleton Drive.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
Commissioner Fuller asked whether there was any form of
identification for Traffic Safety Commissioners, and staff
stated they would investigate this and report at the next
meeting.
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of November 2, 1987, was
adjourned at 4:05 p.m.
Respepfully submitted, &&W
darriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
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