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Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: January 4, 1988
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman O'Day called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present -- Chairman O'Day, Commissioners Erwin,
Fuller and Melideo.
Absent -- Commissioner Herring.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Principal Civil
Engineer
Mike Shirey, Engineering Tech I1
Lloyd Hubbs, City Engineer
Officer Shipley
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Minutes of the Meeting held December 7, 1987, were approved
as presented.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
No one was present to speak before the Commission.
OLD BUSINESS:
Bob 3ohnson reported the Ordinance for the 35 m.p.h. speed
limit on Elm Avenue may go to Council 3anuary 12, 1988.
NEW BUSINESS :
A. Elect new Chairperson and Vice Chairperson.
This item was trailed to the end of the Agenda.
(See Page 3)
8. Elm Avenue/Chatham Road Intersection
This item was trailed to the end of the Agenda.
(See Page 3)
C. Cadencia Street - Establish prima facie speed limit on
lower portion of Cadencia Street, North of La Costa
Avenue.
Bob Johnson gave the staff report as contained in the
Commission report dated January 4, 1988. He stated there
are two reasons to post a reasonable speed limit, and
those are driver respect and compliance. He stated a
speed trap could not be used, as California law prohibits
that.
A 35 m.p.h. advisory speed plate will be installed on
Cadencia Street when approaching La Costa from a
southbound direction, just south of Del Rey.
Mr. 3ohnson stated the Coordinating Committee had
recommended a 40 m.p.h. prima facie speed limit on
Cadenica Street northerly of La Costa Avenue for a
distance of 0.55 miles, with an advisory speed plate for
35 m.p.h.
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Chairman 0' Day asked whether staff had considered not
posting the street. Mr. Johnson stated the advisory sign
will. be installed regardless of the action taken by this
Commission, and staff had received calls from citizens
asking for a speed limit to be posted.
40 m.p.h. the drivers will know there is a speed limit in
that area.
With the posting of
Dennis Price, 755 Cadencia Street, stated he had been
trying to get a speed limit on the lower portion of Cadencia for two years.
speed, but due to the traffic studies the 85th percentile
indicated a higher speed. Mr. Price said this is a
residential area, although it is not classified as such.
He felt 35 m.p.h. would be a safe
Mr. Price said he understood the street would be posted
with a 40 m.p.h. speed limit, and 35 m.p.h. on the curved
area. He requested the entire street be posted at 35
m.p.h. As a precedent, he stated Levante Street is posted
at 35 m.p.h. at the El Camino Real intersection, and there
are no houses in that area until you get to the top of the hill. He felt Cadencia Street was no different and should
be granted such a sign. Mr. Price concluded, stating there
could be a 40 m.p.h. speed limit going down the hill, with
35 m.p.h. for the cars going up the hill, and this would be
of some help to the pedestrian.
Chairman O'Day closed the public portion at 3:23 p.m.
Commissioner Fuller commented that when speed limits are
posted, the speed seems to increase, and he would like
staff to check into that and see whether that is the usual
trend, or just isolated cases.
Traffic Safety Commission adopted the recommendation of the
Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to establish a prima
facie speed limit of 40 miles per hour on the unposted
portion of Cadencia Street, northerly of La Costa Avenue
for a distance of 0.55 miles.
Bob Johnson stated staff would monitor this portion of the
road and if conditions hange, staff will bring the matter
back before the Commission.
D. Elm Avenue/Donna Drive Intersection - Request for a
three-way STOP.
Bob 3ohnson gave the staff report as contained in the
report to the Commission, stating this portion of the
street opened November IO, 1987. A 25 m.p.h. advisory
plate has been placed for the westbound traffic
approaching the intersection because of the sight
restriction from Donna looking east. A left turn arrow
has been placed on Elm to turn on Donna Drive, and an
additional one will be placed near the end of the lane.
A transparency was used to show the table of Intersection
Approach Volumes, Exhibit 1 in the packet, and Mr. Johnson
stated cars could queue up on Elm if stop signs were
installed, and this could cause accidents.
Mary Sterns, 3230 Donna Drive, stated Elm has been open for a month now, and the traffic has increased in that
time. She felt the three-way STOP sign was necessary, as
this is a very dangerous intersection, with the sight
problem being the biggest concern.
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Commissioner Fuller suggested any driver feeling
uncomfortable with that intersection should drive to Monroe
and take the signalized intersection.
Chairman O'Day closed the public portion at 3:37 p.m.
Commissioner Emin stated the bushes on the property at the
corner of Donna Drive and Elm Avenue should be trimmed, as
that is one of the main reasons for the sight restriction
when a driver is making a left turn off of Donna to Elm.
Mr. 3ohnson indicated a letter would be written to the
property owner and if that does not solve the problem, the
City would trim any bushes in the right-of-way.
A suggestion was made to close off Donna Drive, and Mr.
3ohnson stated that would probably create a sub-standard
cul-de-sac and the residents would oppose any such closing.
Also, emergency vehicles need access at that point.
Chairman O'Day suggested changing the striping on the
street to allow people turning left to realize they have
space to make the turn safely. Staff will investigate
changing the striping.
Traffic Safety Commission adopted the recommendation of the
Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee to deny the request
for STOP signs at Elm Avenue and Donna Drive.
problem to the west should be corrected by trimming the
bushes and shrubs on the west corner of Donna Drive and Elm
Avenue. Staff will also investigate the possibility of
different striping for the left turn.
The sight
A. Elect New Chaimerson and Vice-Chairoerson for 1988
Commissioner Erwin was elected Chairman for the calendar
year of 1988 by unanimous vote.
Commissioner Melideo was elected Vice-Chairperson for the
calendar year of 1988 by unanimous vote.
B. Elm Avenue/Chatham Road Intersection - Request to
reconsider recommendation for a four-way STOP
intersection.
City Engineer Lloyd Hubbs stated this was an important
decision and for staff to present its case to Council, he
felt a vote of the full Commission would be desirable. He
added this was not only for the existing situation, but
for the future of Elm Avenue. There will be increases in
the traffic, with a signal at Elm and Tamarack, and staff
felt this four-way STOP would hamper Elm Avenue. In
answer to Commission query as to whether he opposed this
four-way STOP, the City Engineer stated he did oppose it
at this time.
Commissioner Erwin stated he would not change his vote,
as he did not make that decision lightly. When there is a safe route for children to travel to school, they should
be using that route; but they are not--and the parents are
not cooperating in attempting to get them to use that
route.
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Commissioner Erwin continued, stating he felt this
Commission was not the single entity involved, and was
really only one third of the whole concept.
Commission should be entitled to its opinion, and did not
want to feel that the matter would be brought up again and
again until the vote that suited staff was gotten.
He felt the
Chairman O'Day stated he felt it was not the fact that
there was not a full Commission present for the vote on
this item, but the fact that the Commission did not have
all the information about the additional development
planned for that area and the traffic signal installation.
Traffic Safety Commission moved to rescind the action
taken on the four-way STOP signs at Elm Avenue and Chatham
Road and to place this item on the next agenda for
discussion.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
Commissioner Erwin reported he had a video tape of the non-
g round-breaking ceremony for the trash-to-engergy plant.
Chairman O'Day thanked the Commissioners and staff for the
work done in the past year.
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of 3anuary 4, 1988, was
adjourned at 4:08 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
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