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Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: March 7, 1988
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
COMMISSIONERS
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Erwin called the Meeting to order at 3:Ol p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present -- Chairman Erwin, Commissioners Fuller,
Herring and Melideo.
Absent -- Commissioner O'Day.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Principal Civil
Engineer
Mike Shirey, Engineering Tech I1
Officer Shipley, Police Department
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
Minutes of the Meeting held February 1, 1988, were
approved as amended to show the following addition to
Item A: On the warrants on Chatham and Elm, all warrants
were met, except the designated safe route.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
No one was present to speak before the Commission.
OLD BUSINESS:
Bob Johnson reported that several months ago the Pedestrian
Action Plan was discussed. This item went to Council last
week with the recommendations, and Council directed this to
come back to the Traffic Safety Commission to implement a
Pedestrian Action Plan. Mr. Johnson stated that staff
would be working on that Plan.
NEW BUSINESS:
A. La Costa Avenue - request to establish a two-way left-
turn lane and remove parking from the commercial area
easterly to Calle Madera.
Bob Johnson gave the staff report as contained in the
Commission report, stating there would be an opportunity to
change the striping on La Costa Avenue this summer, as
Utilities/Maintenance plans to chip seal from El Camino
Real to Rancho Santa Fe. This will extend the life of the
asphalt an additional five years, and once the chip seal is
installed, the striping would be obliterated, necessitating
re-striping, whether or not this is in the existing
configuration or changed. Before that time, the striping
would have to be sand-blasted to be removed. Slurry seal could be used, but the striping would come through. The
only effective way to change the striping would be to
overlay the road or install chip seal, as scheduled for
summer.
Mike Shirey narrated a slide presentation showing the
present striping on La Costa Avenue, the sight distances,
the parking areas and bike lanes.
Bob 3ohnson continued the staff report, using a wall chart
to show a map of La Costa Avenue in this area. He referred
to the traffic counts included in the packet and stated most
of the accidents in this area are caused by rear-ending and
sideswiping.
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. 3ohnson gave the four Alternatives suggested, as
follows:
Alternative No. 1 - Do nothing and allow striping to
remain the same.
Alternative No. 2 - Left turns on La Costa would be
prohibited by striping a double, double yellow centerline;
four traffic lanes would be provided, with an 8-foot
emergency parkinglbike lane on both sides. Parallel
parking would be prohibited.
Alternative No. 3 - A continuous two-way left turn lane
ten feet wide would be installed, with four lanes of
traffic and two five-foot bike lanes; parallel parking would be removed.
Alternative No. 4 - Parallel parking would be allowed on
the northerly side of La Costa Avenue; one eight-foot
parallel parking lane would be provided and a five-foot
bike lane. There would be two twelve-foot traffic lanes
and two eleven-foot lanes; with one five-foot bike lane on
the southerly side of the road.
In summary, Mr. 3ohnson stated the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee recommended at the time of the
installation of the chip seal on La Costa Avenue, a continuous two-way left turn lane be striped and parallel parking removed. This would be from a point immediately
east of the commercial area on La Costa Avenue esterly to the existing two-way left-turn lane at Calle Madera.
Chairman Erwin opened the meeting for public comment at
3:32 p.m.
3im Comunale, 2712 La Costa Avenue, stated he lived in the
buffer zone area, and without a buffer zone, it would be
impossible to back out of their driveway, so fast on La Costa Avenue, that the buffer zone is
necessary for the residents to retreat into to wait
until it is safe to pull into the traffic lane. Mr.
Comunale felt the left turns were not as dangerous as the pulling out of the driveways.
for Alternative No. 4 or no change at all.
The traffic is
He stated his preference
Henry Grether, 2508 La Costa Avenue, stated his
appreciation for the concern of the Traffic Safety
Commission, but the cars on La Costa Avenue are not
traveling 45 miles per hour; they are traveling 60 or 65. That speed causes the problems, and it is extremely
difficult to back out into the traffic. Mr. Grether
said the sidewalks are narrow on the north side of the street, with street lamps in the middle of the walk.
necessitates people stepping out into the street into the
bike lane. It is even dangerous to try to get the mail out of the mailboxes. Mr. Grether's preference was for
parking on the north side and left turns allowed.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
3ane Grether, 2508 La Costa Avenue, told of a car accident
on La Costa Avenue, where her car was rear-ended while she
was waiting to turn into their driveway.
speed limit needed to be lowered to slow the traffic.
Mrs. Grether stated her preference for a buffer area to
back out of the driveways, but felt it was not fair to
eliminate the parking. She favored Alternative No. 4, and
felt the parking was the most critical issue.
She felt the
John Mosele, 2722 La Costa Avenue, reiterated there are no
residences on the south side of La Costa Avenue in this
area,
has one entrance there. He stated he uses the buffer zone
to back out into the traffic, and supported Alternative
No. 4.
the speed was the problem.
with the exception of the condominium complex that
He felt the number of cars was not the problem--
Maury Goosenberg, 2404 La Costa Avenue, stated that to
remove the parking would be a tremendous burden.
Alternative No. 4 would be better, as it would provide for
parking and allow left turns.
He felt
Maggie Long, 2931C La Costa Avenue, a resident at Marbella
Condos, stated there are 58 families living in those
condos who need to turn into that driveway. Ms. Long
drives from the east in the evening, and stated that it is
extremely dangerous to try to turn left into their
driveway, partly because of the sun setting and blinding
drivers, and also because of the speed of the cars
traveling east. Ms. Long stated she was willing to lose
the parking on the south side of the street to allow the
residents on the north side to have parking. supported Alternative No. 3, stating she has no option to
be able to go to La Costa Avenue and El Camino Real to
make a U-turn, as they are prohibited there.
She
Mardelle Mosele, 2722 La Costa Avenue, stated La Costa
Avenue is not a uniform street, and she felt a solution
that was not a uniform one would be more proper.
Chairman Erwin closed the public comment portion at 4:11
p.m.
In answer to Commission query as to whether there could be
mixed striping in that area, Bob Johnson replied there is
a mixture there now, and there could be different
combinations.
Commissioner Melideo inquired whether Alternative No. 3
and No. 4 could be mixed together, using Alternative No. 4
after the corner, and in some way compromise.
Commissioner Herring asked whether the bike lanes had to
stay, and suggested eliminating them: adding that space to
the north side for a buffer zone, and have the continuous
two-way left-turn lane.
Chairman Erwin asked Ms. Long whether she could see to
exit the condo driveway if the bike lane were eliminated.
She stated that would be the lesser of two evils.
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NEW BUSINESS : (Continued 1
Commissioner Herring made a motion to eliminate the bike
lanes; approving Alternative No. 3, but instead of the five-
foot bike lane on the south side of La Costa Avenue, add
that to the north side for a buffer zonefparking lane of
ten feet; remove the designation of a "bike lane" on La
Costa Avenue. Commissioner Fuller seconded the motion.
The motion was withdrawn, with the consent of the second.
Traffic Safety Commission directed staff to study the
alternative of eliminating bike lanes on this stretch of
road from the commercial area to Calle Madera; have a ten-
foot buffer zonefparking lane on the north side of the
street, and a continuous two-way left-turn lane. Staff is
to determine what problems this might cause and return with
a recommendation.
B. Majorie Lane - Request to establish a NO PARKING zone.
Bob Johnson gave the staff report as contained in the
Commission Report, stating the two-hour parking restriction
had not solved the parking problem on Majorie Lane.
Chairman Erwin inquired whether the 7:OO a.m. to 4:OO p.m.
no parking would be discriminating and staff will study
that.
Chairman Erwin opened the meeting for public comment at
4:39 p.m.
William Poole, 1885 Chestnut, addressed the Commission,
stating the two-hour parking restriction could not be
enforced, and the majority of the homeowners in that area
were present today. There are seven homes on the cul-de-
sac, and four of those owners are present today, and all
agree to accept the elimination of parking at all times.
Mr. Poole showed photographs of the parking and violations,
as well as the trash deposited by the students.
Ernest Mejia, 1845 Chestnut, stated he was in favor of no
parking at any time, and hoped this would eliminate the
necessity of picking up the trash that the students deposit
on the lawns.
Vernon Holbrook, 3614 MarJorie Lane, stated he felt this
was a traffic and safety matter, and not a civil matter.
With the car racing that occurs on the cul-de-sac, Mr.
Holbrook stated he was surprised that no one has been
killed or maimed. He supported the 24-hour ban on parking.
Mr. Holbrook added that when the 7:OO a.m. to 4:OO p.m.
restrictions were in place, the problems ceased. He felt
that perhaps that would solve the problem without
eliminating parking evenings and weekends for the residents
in the area.
Sidney Porch, 3557 Monroe Street, Facility Advisor at the
High School, sympathized with the residents and added the
school would like to work with the residents to solve the
problem. He stated ID'S andfor license numbers were
necessary to find out the identity of the youngsters
causing the problems.
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued
Mr. Porch stated the school was concerned about losing
parking in the school area, as they are trying to enlarge
the parking areas.
with the only exits on Monroe and Chestnut or Valley and
Chestnut, and the faculty hopes more students will park on
Valley. He also stated the tennis courts will be converted
into a parking lot to increase the parking.
He explained there will be a wall built
Mr. Porch said if the school has ID'S on the students, they
can press charges against them. He concluded, stating he
felt this would set a precedent for other neighbors to seek
no parking near the high school.
Commissioner Fuller commented there is no legal parking
on Majorie Lane for the students at this time.
Chairman Erwin closed the public comment portion at 4:55
p.m.
The residents in the audience commented that the 7:OO a.m.
to 4:OO p.m. restrictions worked quite well before, and
they would certainly prefer that to no parking at all.
Commissioner Melideo made a motion to recommend 24-hour no
parking on Marjorie Lane from Monday through Friday.
Commissioner Herring seconded the motion.
The motion was withdrawn, with the consent of the second.
Officer Shipley stated the problem was with the two-hour
parking restriction. That was not enforceable.
Traffic Safety Commission recommended no parking on
Marjorie Lane from 7:OO a.m. to 4:OO p.m., Monday through
Friday.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
None.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER:
None.
AD30URNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of March 7, 1988, was
adjourned at 5:OO p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
K&@kdf
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk
Erwin
Fuller
Herring
Melideo
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