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Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMHISSION
Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: January 8, 1990
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
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CALL To ORDER:
Chairman Herring called the Meeting to order at 3:03 p.m.
ROLL CAU:
Present: Commissioners Herring, Fuller, O'Day and
Stachoviak.
Absent: Commissioner Melideo.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer
Police Chief Vales
Sgt. Carpenter, Police Department
Robert German, Risk Manager
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Meeting held December 4, 1989, were
approved as presented.
ORAL COMXUNICATIONS :
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
OLD BUSINESS:
Bob Johnson reported that Council adopted the prima facie
speed limit on College Boulevard between Palomar Airport
Road and El Camino Real.
NEW BUSINESS:
A. Traffic Safetv Commission Resolution of Commendation fc
Mary Melideo.
Bob Johnson asked the Commission whether they wanted to tak
action on this item, inasmuch as Commissioner Melideo is il
and not able to be here today.
The Traffic Safety Commission approved the Resolution of
Commendation for Mary Melideo.
This Resolution will be presented to Commissioner Melideo a
the next Traffic Safety Commission meeting.
B. Vicinity of La Costa Resor? Golf Course - Request to
drive golf carts on public sti-eets.
Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer, gave the staff report,
referring to all the material included in the packet.
Traffic SaEety is the primary issue associated with this
request, and golf carts are not to be driven on streets wit
a speed limit over 25 m.p.h.
Herring
Fuller
O'Day
Stachovia
Herring
Fuller
O'Day
Stachovia
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Johnson read from the City Attorney's opinion and
commented that the accesses being used were not a point of
entry to the La Costa Golf Course. He added that the desig
standards did not expressly consider golf carts when the
roads were designed. He said that bicycle lanes are
considered in the design of the roadways.
Mr. Johnson said there were two collisions involving golf
carts in 1989, with Police reports on both of them, and
these reports were provided in the staff report. Also, the
La costa area does not constitute a real estate development
per the California Vehicle Code, as anyone wishing to becom
a member of La Costa, must make a special application and
that is voted upon. Just buying a house in La Costa or
Carlsbad does not qualify you to become a member of La Cost
Country Club.
Mr. Johnson further stated that many of the streets propose
to have golf carts on them have speed limits of 35 and 45
m.p.h. Also, there are high volumes of vehicles in additio
to the high speeds. Some of those streets have bike lanes
striped and some do not, and sight distances are limited.
The Coordinating Committee felt that the intent of the Code
would be violated if this request were granted. They were
sympathetic to the plight of the cart owners, but determine
that the Vehicle Code would be violated and the safety and
liability of the City prevented their making the findings
requested at this time.
Mr. Johnson said the private cart owners should explore
storing them nearer the resort or perhaps the cart owners
could rent a building convenient to the course. Also, they
could trailer the carts to the resort or just rent carts at
the course.
Mr. Johnson said the City Attorney's opinion states that a
finding must be made for 25 m.p.h. streets, and in order to
do that, it must be determined that La Costa designates
access points other than just at the front. Staff would
have to determine and evaluate the 25 m.p.h. requirement an
see whether carts could be driven safely on those streets.
Mr. Johnson said that there are several access points to thl
golf course rather than at the main entrance; however, them
are not officially condoned by the resort, per resort
officials. If La Costa indicated via a letter that these
were official access points, would be signed as such and
condoned, that would be a start in this matter.
In reply to Commission query as to whether there had been
any previous requests for this in the 20 plus years the law
has been on the books, Mr. Johnson said that in 1986 and 87
the matter came up and was addressed at that time.
Morris Rabin, 7717 Morada Street, who initiated the request
addressed the Commission with a prepared statement, stating
he moved here 15 years ago, joined the Country Club and got
a golf cart permit. He stated he has used his cart to
access the golf course and there have been no accidents. Hc
said that three years ago he found out that carts were
restricted to streets with a 25 m.p.h. or less speed limit.
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NEW BUSINESS : ( Continued )
Mr. Rabin said that no golf carts have been involved in an
accident on the route agreed to by the residents going to
the La Costa course. He referred to Senate Bill 48,
amending 21115 to allow local authority to set rules and
regulations for the operation of golf carts on the same
roads as motor vehicles and stated he had copies of the
amended sect ion.
Mr. Rabin said the people wishing to access the golf courst
at La Costa are mature, responsible individuals who drive
well-maintained golf carts and who have clear records with
no accidents while driving the carts. He said he did not
know of any accidents in the entire State of California
involving people driving carts to and from a golf course.
In the two accidents in Carlsbad, neither was being used tc
go to a golf course, and as a matter of fact, one was at a
place on El Camino Real in a parking lot. The other
accident was when one tipped over at La Costa--this was noi
a member and the golf cart was being used €or shopping--no1
to go to or from the golf course.
Mr. Rabin gave the statistics for bicycle riders during thc
last few years, and said the California law allows
youngsters of any age to ride bikes on any roadway in the
State, except on freeways. Yet those State lawmakers seem
to have misgivings about mature, responsible adults who ha1
clean driving records going short distances to access golf
courses.
Mr. Rabin said there are 99 golf permit holders in La Cost;
with 82 resident permits and 17 non-resident. Those 82
residents make three trips a week, or 246 trips total.
Those residents are allowed 16 rounds of golf total during
the course of a quarter. Forty permit holders live within
areas where they traverse only streets with a 25 m.p.h.
speed limit. Mr. Rabin said it is the 42 carts with a toti
of 126 trips a week that we are concerned with.
Mr. Rabin used transparencies to show the routes taken by
the golf carts and the accesses used by the carts to the Li
Costa golf course. He referred to the section of the
California Vehicle Code which allows electric carts to be
driven on the sidewalk, and suggested they could use the
sidewalk for those carts using La Costa Avenue. He said
that their carts are not electric, but they could be given
permission by local authority to drive the carts safely on
the sidewalks.
Mr. Rabin said that the 42 non-resident members who do not
live in the 25 m.p.h. zones, make a total of 126 potential
round trips on the streets over 25 m.p.h. speed limit. He
showed an overhead of the streets those carts use and the
accesses to the golf course.
Mr. Rabin said the cart owners were asking the Commission t
approve different routes to approach the golf course
legally, and to allow the seniors to use the sidewalks to
avoid vehicle traffic on La Costa Avenue. He said the sigr
could be made in the City shops for under $500, and as far
as the liability problem, these are not kids riding bikes
and getting banged up. These carts are well-maintained
carts at an average cost of $4,500, and representing well i
excess of $400,000 in investment by the permit holders.
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NEW BUSINESS : ( Continued )
Mr. Rabin stated he hoped this Commission would make
recommendations to the City Council to allow the permit
holders to use their golf carts legally to reach the golf
course.
In answer to Commission query regarding whether or not these
carts were electric or gas, Mr. Rabin said there was a
combination of both, and Commissioner Fuller stated that
electric carts only were allowed on the sidewalks. He said
that is the law and he would not vote against the law.
Commissioner Stachoviak asked whether the group had
approached the management of La Costa as to your plans and
asked whether La Costa might close the entrances you propose
to use.
Mr. Rabin said they had tried to talk with management at La
Costa, but could get no information or help from them. He
said La Costa did not tell them about the regulations when
they purchased the cart permits.
Don Friedman, 2522 A Navarro, stated he was distressed by
the City Attorney's opinion, and said that you had to be
voted in to the La Costa Club. He said La Costa was
required to keep the designated entrances open 24 hours a
day. He said if everyone had to use the El Camino Real
entrance, it would be more dangerous than it is now. He
felt Mr. Rabin's plan was good and asked for the
Commission's help.
G. S. Clute, 2466 Unicornio Street, stated that in order to
get a golf cart permit, you were required to have insurance,
the same as for a car. He said Larry Hart of the County
Traffic Commission is working to have the law changed to
allow golf carts to travel in the bicycle lanes.
J. Lebovitz, 2862 Luciernaga, and Len Marmor, 2072 Mar Azul
Way, did not speak, as they said all the points had been
covered.
Ben Pynes, 3337 Piragua Street, also agreed that everything
has been said, but added that this has been going on for a
long time and nothing has changed. They would just like to
continue doing what they have been doing all this time, as
it is more comfortable to be able to drive their carts to
the course.
Thomas Mass, 2851 Torry Court, referred to the two accidents
with golf carts, stating there were no collisions--one was
an overturn and one was not related to driving to and from
the course. He said the golf courses are one of the values
of the area and he moved here because of the ability to
drive a cart to the golf course. He felt there were other
things to be done rather than make regulations in this
instance.
Since no one else wished to speak on this matter, the public
testimony was closed at 4:08 p.m.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
The Commission discussed the issues, agreeing that safety
and the law were the most important factors. The comment
was made that the carts were no more dangerous than
bicycles, but that the sidewalks were meant for electric
carts and disabled persons. Also, they cannot be on a
street where the speed limit is over 25 m.p.h. Another
criteria is that this must be part of a golf development,
and that finding could not be made for La Costa.
The Commissioners agreed that there must be a reply from La
Costa as to what their future plans would be for these
access points, and that answer should be in hand before thi
issue went before the City Council. Also, the golfers
should ascertain whether or not they comply with the travel
on streets with 25 m.p.h. speed limit; within one mile of
the golf course and specific routes complying with that.
Bob Johnson stated that the streets are not designed for
golf carts, and the curves, bike lanes, parking, number of
driveways and collisions would all have to be analyzed.
Commission comment also included that La Costa Resort must
acknowledge whether these are official access points, and
staff needs to study the routes presented and determine
whether or not they are acceptable.
The Traffic Safety Commission approved the recommendation o
the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee denying the
request to drive golf carts on or to cross public streets
having a speed limit greater than 25 miles per hour; and
further ask the proponents to change their application to
meet the requirements of the Code; that they show these are
legal accesses to the golf course, and present something in
writing from the management of La Costa Resort as to the
legality of the entrances and the future status of these
accesses.
C. Consideration of Establishins Traffic Safety Commission
Procedures.
Bob Johnson reported that at the December meeting, the
Commission discussed the possibility of establishing
procedures for conducting meetings. He said today's action
consists of deciding whether to form a subcommittee to
accomplish this task or staff could modify the Planning
Commission Procedures and present that information to this
Commission for discussion and adoption. If procedures are
to be adopted, the recommendation to Council would be to
change Section 2.28.040 to read "The Commission may adopt
its own rules and regulations."
The Traffic Safety Commission directed staff to modify the
Planning Commission Procedures and to work with the Chairma:
and Vice-chairman, Commissioners Herring and Stachoviak, as
a subcommittee to draft procedures for the Traffic Safety
Commission. Those procedures to be presented to the full
Commission for adoption.
Herring
Fuller
0' Day
Stachovia
Herring
Fuller
O'Day
Stachovia
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REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER:
Bob Johnson reported that the work on Rancho Santa Fe Road
has been completed and the road was opened to traffic
December 27, 1989.
Mr. Johnson further reported there was a new elementary
school on Calle Barcelona that just opened, and he had
worked with the Principal, together with Sgt. Carpenter of
the Police Department, and all was going well with the
traffic.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of January 8, 1990, was
adjourned at 4:36 p.m.
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk