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Meeting of: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
Time of Meeting: 3:OO p.m.
Date of Meeting: October 7, 1991
Place of Meeting: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Stachoviak called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Stachoviak, Blake, Fuller, Melideo
and Rifkin.
Absent: None.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer
Sgt. Don Metcalf, Police Department
Clyde Wickham, Associate Engineer
Bob German, Risk Manager
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
The Minutes of the Regular Meeting held September 9, 1991,
were approved as amended on page 3 to indicate that
Commissioner Fuller abstained from the vote on Item D.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
There were no requests to address the Commission on a non-
agenda item.
OLD BUSINESS:
~ Chairperson Stachoviak presented a Resolution of
Commendation to Commissioner Fuller for his service to the
Commission and as Chairman for the past year.
NEW BUSINESS:
A. Camino Vida Roble - Request to establish a NO PARKING
zone from Palomar Airport Road to El Camino Real.
Clyde Wickham, Associate Engineer, gave the staff
report, using a transparency to show the Palomar
Airport Business Park and slides to show the existing
traffic conditions. He stated that notices of this
meeting had been sent to all the businesses in the area
and also put on the vehicles parked in the area. A few
complaints had been received, but most of the people
were in support of the NO PARKING.
Mr. Wickham stated that the Traffic Safety Coordinating
Committee had recommended NO PARKING on Camino Vida
Roble from Palomar Airport Road to El Camino Real.
In response to Commission query as to whether there
would be sufficient parking off-street for those who
are now parking on the street, Mr. Wickham stated that
if the area now vacant is leased according to parking
requirements, there will be ample parking.
Mr. Johnson stated that the City does not enforce
CC&R's; that this is a NO PARKING issue and any change
to the site would be scrutinized ciosely by the City to
ensure there was sufficient off-stteet parking. It is
the responsibility of the owners to enforce their
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NEW BUSINESS:
In response to Commission query regarding enforcement,
sgt. Metcalf stated that initially warnings would be
given and then citations for anyone parking in that
area.
commission questions regarding any changing in the uses
of the buildings in the area were answered by Mr.
Johnson, stating that the City now has very strict
standards with regard to parking and if there is a
change in the usage of a building, that is taken into
consideration at the time the application is placed
with the City.
In response to a question about where would the people
who have been parking on the street now park, Mr.
Wickham explained that the City of Carlsbad leases off-
site parking from an adjacent landowner, and the other
businesses can also lease parking. However, it was
noted that the on-street parking is due largely to the
fact that drivers do not want to walk from a lot, and
it is closer and more convenient to just park on the
street.
Chairman Stachoviak closed the Public Testimony at 3:25
p.m.
The Traffic Safety Commission approved the
recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating
Committee to establish a NO PARKING zone on both sides
of Camino Vida Roble from Palomar Airport Road to El
Camino Real.
B. Golf Cart Crossinas - Request to cross streets per AB
789
Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer, gave the staff report,
stating the request had been initiated by Morris Rabin,
and consisted of permission to cross streets having a
speed limit of 45 miles per hour or less at three
locations and drive on certain streets having a speed
limit greater than 25 miles per hour.
Mr. Johnson stated this matter had been discussed at
the Commission level on January 8, 1990, with a request
to allow golf carts to drive on streets posted at a
speed above 25 m.p.h.; and with a four to zero vote,
the Commission denied that request and recommended that
Mr. Rabin and his group work on getting the State Law
changed.
Mr. Rabin and this group worked with the appropriate
individuals and AB 789 was passed and signed by the
Governor. That bill will become effective January 1,
1992. There are several key provisions in that bill;
one being that it does authorize local authority, under
prescribed conditions, to allow driving golf carts
across a street with a speed limit of 45 m.p.h. or
less, if the intersection is immediately adjacent to
any golf course, during times other than darkness.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
One of the key features of AB 789 is that the local law
enforcement agency must find and determine that "the
conditions pertaining to that street, with the addition
of proper signs, markers, or lighting, or any
combination of those, will permit the establishment Of
a golf cart crossing with reasonable safety, and the
signs, markers, or lighting specified by the local law
enforcement agency are in place." Reference was made
to Police Captain George Suttle's memorandum dated
September 18, 1991, to the Traffic Engineer, stating
that the Police Department has severe reservations
about the ability to safely cross La Costa Avenue in a
golf cart.
Previous State Law regarding a golf cart on a street
with a speed limit greater than 25 m.p.h. has not
changed. In fact, AB 789 specifically states that per
CVC Section 21716 "no person shall operate a golf cart
on any highway except in a speed zone of 25 m.p.h. or
less." This is the key issue, and has not changed in
the State Law.
The Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee found that
none of the three crossings requested were immediately
adjacent to the golf course, as defined in AB 789. Mr.
Johnson used a transparency to indicate the three
locations requested for golf cart crossings. Also,
golf carts are not allowed on streets with a speed
limit above 25 m.p.h., and Mr. Johnson used an overhead
showing the streets with a 25 m.p.h. speed limit.
Mr. Johnson said there is a misunderstanding about
prima facie speed limits, and in California the speed
limits are governed by the Vehicle Code. The
California Vehicle Code requires that speed zones be
established on the basis of speed surveys; not out of
the air--but as the result of engineering and traffic
surveys. The basic speed law recognizes that
conditions vary from time to time, but states that no
person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed
greater than is reasonable or prudent, having due
regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, surface
and width of the highway, and in no event at a speed
which endangers the safety of persons or property.
This was amended in September of 1963 to state that
when not in a speed zone with a prima facie speed
limit, the maximum speed or absolute speed applies--55
m.p.h.--except in certain rural places on the freeway
65 m.p.h. Residence districts are determined by a
combination of a number of homes within a quarter mile,
and this area does not meet the Vehicle Code
requirements for a residence district. Therefore, the
25 m.p.h. does not apply on the streets surrounding the
golf course.
Mr. Johnson said that some of the streets surrounding
the golf course are 25 m.p.h.; others are 35 m.p.h.
posted, or must comply with basic speed law.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Johnson concluded his report, stating that the
Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee had recommended
that the request be denied, due to the reasons given
above.
Sgt. Metcalf stated the Police Department
recommendation was based on safety, and the Police
Department would not give approval as required by the
Law in order to be effective. He stated he could not
speak for the Police Chief, but his recommendation
would be not to accept the request.
Mr. Johnson added that the Police Department
recommendation would go to the Council for their
consideration of any request for golf carts crossing
those streets.
Chairman Stachoviak opened the Public Testimony at 3:47
p.m., and issued the invitation to speak.
Morris Rabin, 7717 Morada Street, gave a background of
this request, stating that La Costa was to be a golf
development, and home ownership was required before any
person could apply for membership in the La Costa
Country Club. Mr. Rabin said that qualifies them as a
golf development comnunity. There have only been two
accidents involving golf carts; one where a golf cart
was being used as a vehicle to drive to the Von's
Center off of La Costa Avenue. This was not a member
of La Costa nor driving from the golf course. The
other accident was in the parking lot of the Plaza
Camino Real and was not a golf cart accident.
Mr. Rabin referred to his group's appearance before
this commission in January of 1990, and stated chat
it was thought that AB 789 would provide them access to
the courses. He stated that La Costa Avenue is within
one mile of the golf course, and the bills mentio1:ed do
not talk about distance from the course. He said they
are legal in the mile distance from the course.
Mr. Rabin said when he saw staff's recommendation last
Thursday, that was the first he had known about the
basic speed law applying to those surrounding streets,
and he said that he doubted if anyone would De crazy
enough to drive 55 m.p.h. on those streets. He felt he
should have had that information before he took this
matter to the Legislature. Mr. Rabin said the 125 to
150 golf cart owners have tried to get permission to
use their carts to drive to the golf course, and wanted
guidance from the City. He sai.d that Police Captain
Suttle's memorandum made him feel like a child; to be
told that golf cart drivers were not able to cross the
street safely.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Rabin said as a Member of La Costa, they had
provided an insurance policy of $500,000, naming La
Costa Hotel and Spa, and as of January 1, 1992, they
must provide a million dollar policy. These are
mature, sane adults who know how to drive. As
citizens, Mr. Rabin said they have a problem and are
asking for help.
Ben Pynes, 3337 Piragua Street, stated the La Costa
area is well-known because of the golf course. There
have been no accidents from the use of golf carts.
There are no restrictions against bicycles or
motorcycles, and he said he would rather see golf carts
on the streets rather than those vehicles.
Mr. Pynes said the golfers are willing to put
themselves into the danger and cover the owners of the
golf course and the City, if necessary. He said if the
City was trying to protect them, they would prefer they
not do that. The golfers have been doing this for
years and all of a sudden the City is interested in
keeping them from doing this.
Commissioner Melideo inquired whether Mr. Pynes was
aware that these are public streets they are driving
the carts on, and he acknowledged that they knew that.
Jo Ann Marten, 2871 Torry Court, stated that a 55
m.p.h. speed limit on those streets not posted makes no
sense, and suggested changing those to 25 m.p.h. She
said there is no greater risk to the golf cart drivers
than to bicycles or pedestrians.
Since no one else wished to speak on this mztter,
Chairman Stachoviak closed the Public Testimony at 4:20
p.m.
Bob German, Risk Manager, stated one million dollars
would not be sufficient coverage for the City, but that
the insurance agency would not add the City to the
policy, as public agencies are not added to such
policies.
The Traffic Safety Commission approved the
recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating
Committee to deny the request to allow golf carts on
certain streets that have a speed limit greater than 25
m.p.h., and to cross streets that have a 45 m.p.h.
speed limit or less.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
Commissioner Melideo inquired about the Police Department
bikers and Sgt. Metcalf stated that patrol ended September
15, as those officers were needed back on regular patrol.
They will be brought back for the Village Faire and
Marathon. They also will be on duty during the Christmas
season. Sgt. Metcalf indicated he will come to the May
meeting of the Commission and bring the officers with him
for a presentation.
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REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS: (Continued)
Commissioner Blake asked about the feedback from the stop
signs on Pontiac. Mr. Johnson said it has apparently helped
the speeding complaints and the residents are satisfied.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER:
Bob Johnson reminded the Commissioners that tonight is the
Commission dinner at the Senior Center at 6:OO p.m.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Meeting of October 7, 1991, was
adjourned at 4:41 p.m.
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