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MEETING OF: TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSION
DATE OF MEETING: May 3,1993
TIME OF MEETING: 3:OO p.m. PLACE OF MEETING: City Council Chambers
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Blake called the Meeting to order at 3:OO p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Present: Commissioners Blake, Fuller, Green and Stachoviak.
Absent: Commissioner Courtney.
Staff Members Present: Bob Johnson, Traffic Engineer
Sgt. Don Metcalf, Police Department
David Bradstreet, Parks and Recreation Director
Ken Price, Recreation Superintendent
Robin Bettin, Stagecoach Recreation Supervisor - II
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
On motion by Commissioner Fuller, the Minutes of the Regular Meeting held April 5, 1993, were
approved as presented.
AYES: Blake, Fuller and Green
ABSTAIN: Stachoviak
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS:
None.
PREVIOUS BUSINESS:
Bob Johnson reported that staff had investigated re-striping Alga Road at the Cazadero Drive intersection,
but could not recommend it as this would not improve the sight distance significantly. Also, the rumble
strips are not recommended due to the danger to motorcycles and bicycles.
Mr. Johnson stated that the Ordinance setting a minimum distance to move parked vehicles was adopted
by Council. The City Attorney was directed to submit information to this Commission on an item
prohibiting certain types of vehicles, such as boat trailers, from parking on public streets. Staff will be
working with the City Attorney on this report, as requested by the City Council.
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PREVIOUS BUSINESS: (Continued)
Mr. Johnson reported that the Avenida Encinas 35 m.p.h. prima facie speed limit ordinance was adopted
by the Council.
NEW BUSINESS:
A. Staqecoach Park - Citizen Request to Establish On-street Parking on Camino De Los Coches
Bob Johnson gave the staff report, using transparencies to show the Location Map and the four
Alternatives as contained in the packet. He stated that this item was discussed by the Traffic
Safety Commission at the January 7,1991, meeting. At that time, the Commission recommended
that on-street parking on Camino De Los Coches not be implemented.
Mr. Johnson indicated the two parking lots shown on the transparency, and stated that 240
parking spaces are provided in Stagecoach Park. However, when events occur at the Park where
there is a large crowd, the parking overflows out onto the street. Also, there are times when ball
games are in progress on the fields and there are events in the gymnasium, and this also results
in a parking problem in the Park.
Mr. Johnson stated that when there is parking on the street, this causes an enforcement problem
as far as the Police Department to wriie tickets because there is no parking allowed on the street.
This also becomes a public relations problem, as the people ticketed then complain to the City
officials and state they are being discriminated against because they are given tickets for illegal
parking on the street. Mr. Johnson referred to the memorandum contained in the packet where
the events are listed for Stagecoach Park. Ms. Bettin stated that there are ten to twenty dates
throughout the year where multiple events are going on in the Park and community center, with
the parking lots filled for a period of time. However, Mr. Johnson stated that there are other times
when the parking becomes a problem, and there is no way to determine when that will happen,
due to the multiple events that are occurring at the same time in the Park.
Special Events permits are obtained from the Police Department, and Sgt. Metcalf is in charge
of those permits. When those permits are issued, the users are given a set of rules to follow with
regard to covering the NO PARKING signs on the street and putting up BIKE LANE CLOSED
signs. Not all event organizers are aware of the Special Events permits, or do not anticipate the
crowd in advance. Also, there are times when the sign covering and posting are not properly
done by the organizers of events.
Mr. Johnson reviewed the four Alternatives suggested, and stated that the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee recommended the following actions to implement on-street parking on
Camino De Los Coches:
1. Remove one traffic lane is each direction on Camino De Los Coches from the entrance
to the westerly parking lot of Stagecoach Park and continue easterly to approximately Via
Calendo. Lane geometrics on Camino De Los Coches at the intersections of RSF and
LCA would not change.
2. Within the on-street parking segment referenced in Number 1, provide two eight-foot wide
parking lanes, two five-foot wide bicycle lanes, two fourteen-foot wide traffic lanes (one
each direction) and one ten-foot wide painted median.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
3. The removal of existing striping be accomplished by a chip seal of the roadway. The City
Council may need to approve the cost appropriation. It is estimated that curb to curb
chip seal from the westerly parking lot that serves Stagecoach Park to Via Calendo will
cost approximately $1 5,000, plus re-striping costs.
4. The chip seal be implemented by change order to the contract to be administered by the
Utilities and Maintenance Department beginning at the end of summer, 1993. This chip
seal contract has been authorized to bid; however, Camino De Los Coches is not on the
list of streets to receive a chip seal.
5. If four traffic lanes are required on the entire segment of Camino De Los Coches in the
future, on-street parking shall be removed and bicycle lanes shall remain. Operational
or safety problems on the roadway or the need to meet the performance standard for
circulation in the Growth Management Plan are several reasons why re-implementation
of four traffic lanes would be necessary.
Mr. Johnson stated this was the same conclusion reached by the Traffic Safety Coordinating
Committee two years ago; that on-street parking should be permitted.
Mr. Johnson stated that the traffic projections for that area indicate that there will be no need for
four lanes of traffic any time in the near future, and the Coordinating Committee wanted that to
be clear.
Commissioner Green inquired about the proposed shopping center to be located at' the
intersection of Camino De Los Coches and Rancho Santa Fe Road, and Mr. Johnson replied that
it would be a neighborhood commercial area and would not generate enough traffic to change
the projected traffic numbers to require four lanes. He explained that the ingress and egress for
that shopping area would be from Camino De Los Coches, and the entrance would be in the four-
lane portion of the roadway. Mr. Johnson explained that there would be no parking allowed in
front of the two entrances to the Park.
Commissioner Green expressed concern about the illegal parking in the handicapped spaces and
red curb areas and the fact that people consider that a problem. He said those people should
not park in those areas, and if they do and get a ticket, they certainly should not complain.
Sgt. Metcalf stated that the problem occurs because the Police Department does not have
enough manpower to monitor those areas all the time. Therefore, when citations are issued, the
people complain to the Mayor, City Manager, etc. The Police Department is made out to be the
'bad guys' because they don't issue tickets all the time to every offender. The Police try to
explain that when offenders don't get cited, they 'got lucky', but quite often those people say they
are being 'picked on'. Also, many of the groups are non-profii groups, and there are no funds
to pay for a Special Events permit. (Sgt. Metcalf stated many times he receives a personal check
from one of the people requesting a Special Events permit.) Sgt. Metcalf stated that the main
problem is that there are just too many people and not enough Police.
Commissioner Green suggested a $1 00 or $200 deposit from people obtaining a Special Events
permit to ensure they cover the signs properly. Sgt. Metcalf stated that most of the groups would
not have that kind of money to spend.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Commissioner Green inquired about painting crosswalks, and Mr. Johnson replied that the
Committee discussed that; but the crossing of the street would be random. The Committee did
not believe that a crosswalk would facilitate all the people going to a certain location to cross the
street. Therefore, they did not recommend crosswalks. The volumes of traffic on the street are
very low, and people will cross at the spot where they have parked.
Mr. Johnson stated that when the high school is built across the street from Stagecoach Park,
there will be a traffic signal installed. Staff is trying to get the high school to line up their driveway
with the entrance to Stagecoach, to allow a signal to be installed, and when the signal is installed,
crosswalks will be installed.
Commissioner Stachoviak inquired about a.deposit or fee for Special Events permits, and Sgt.
Metcalf replied there are two different permits; one for Special Events and one for events requiring
traffic control. There is a $25 processing fee--and no other fees. There would be a Park permit,
exclusive of traffic control plans.
Robin Bettin explained that the ten to twenty dates referred to in her memorandum are when there
are games being played on the outside fields and events in the gymnasium, with short periods
of time when there is heavy congestion in the Park. She stated that staff is working with the
different groups to get complete schedules of any special events they have planned during their
season of play in the Park. It does not occur to those groups that they should have a traffic
control plan in place.
Commissioner Stachoviak inquired about the cost of the chip seal and re-striping, complete, and
Mr. Johnson stated that it would cost approximately $20,000.
Commissioner Stachoviak commented about the signs not being put up properly by the users of
Spycial Events permits, and Sgt. Metcalf stated the Police Department does not furnish the
materials necessary to cover the existing signs. When this has not been properly done, the Police
Department meets with the group later and explains what was wrong. He added that usually this
only happens the first time a group is responsible for covering the signs.
Commissioner Fuller inquired again about the chip seal for this street, and was concerned that
this would have to be done to re-stripe the street. Mr. Johnson stated that this street was chip
sealed approximately in 1988, and would not normally be scheduled for any work for five to ten
years.
Commissioner Fuller stated that when the high school is built, the students would probably be
parking on the street, and Mr. Johnson concurred. Mr. Fuller asked whether there is a Permit
Inspector, and Mr. Johnson answered that there are no inspectors, only public works inspectors.
The cost of permits was discussed again, with Mr. Johnson stating that the Special Events
Committee has discussed that, but the cost cannot be increased. The City Council wants to keep
permit costs as low as possible, to provide a service to the citizens. Also, staff time would be
required to monitor the permit users, and there is not the manpower available. Money collected
on permits goes into the General Fund and any expenses by different departments has to come
out of their budgets and is not re-imbursed.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
Commissioner Fuller asked Ms. Bettin how much parking is needed, and she replied that on
weekends, if the plan recommended by the Coordinating Committee is implemented, that would
be sufficient.
Commissioner Fuller said that there would be less traffic safety with the recommendation of the
Coordinating Committee; there would also be conflicts with bicycles and parked cars; there would
be children running across the street to get to the Park, and for those reasons he had doubts
about supporting the recommendation.
Chairman Blake stated that when permits for special events are obtained, there should be material
given to them concerning what they are obligated to do with regard to putting up signs and
covering signs.
Ms. Bettin stated that Sgt. Metcalf and she are working on developing a list of special events
within the different leagues and organizations and an annual schedule. Most of those people do
not notify Parks and Recreation or the Police Department when they have a special event, not
realizing that they might be creating a traffic problem at that time.
Mr. Johnson stated that those groups are not tuned in to the traffic aspects, and do not anticipate
the size of the crowds. The people putting those schedules together need to be educated to
think about all aspects of an event and any special problems they may create.
David Bradstreet, Parks and Recreation Director, in reply to Commission query, stated that if the
Traffic Safety Commission denied this request, the matter would probably return to the Parks and
Recreation Commission, where the item originated at the request of two Commissioners.
Mr. Johnson added that if this Commission denies the request, staff would need to decide
whether to take this forward as a staff report to the City Council for a final decision, or let the
matter go and wait to see if the proponents would pay the $120 to appeal the matter. He said
that staff could bring the matter forward, and Mr. Bradstreet may want to take it back to the Parks
and Recreation Commission.
Commissioner Stachoviak stated he could not vote for re-striping the roadway at this time, and
felt the parking should be left as it is now.
Commissioner Green concurred with Commissioner Stachoviak and said the recommended
alternative could be considered in the future, when the high school is built.
Commissioner Fuller stated he could not support the request because of the reduction of traffic
safety.
Chairman Blake stated he had felt there was a need for the four lanes of traffic. However, Mr.
Johnson had said this would not be a problem for many years, if ever, and so he could support
the recommendation of the Traffic Safety Coordinating Committee.
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NEW BUSINESS: (Continued)
ACTION: Chairman Blake made a motion to adopt the recommendation of the Traffic Safety
Coordinating Committee to provide on-street parking on Camino De Los Coches.
Commissioner Fuller seconded the motion to allow a vote.
AYES : Blake
NOES: Fuller, Green and Stachoviak
Motion was defeated.
Commissioner Green stated he was disappointed that this Commission had to make a decision
because the people that take out permits don’t administer their responsibilities correctly.
Mr. Johnson stated that staff wanted it to be very clear that it is not just the people pulling Special
Events permits that cause the problem-there are a number of smaller groups that show up at the
same time and the overflow parking occurs. Also, this Commission is advisory to the Council, and
your recommendation was necessary to get the matter to the City Council, if it is appealed.
Mr. Bradstreet stated he would inform the two Parks and Recreation Commissioners of the Traffic
Safety Commission decision and if they want it to return to the Parks and Recreation Commission,
they could write a letter, or appeal it to the City Council.
Mr. Johnson added that the Parks and Recreation Commission may recommend that staff take
the matter to the City Council.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMISSIONERS:
Commissioner Stachoviak stated that on Carlsbad Boulevard by the Army and Navy Academy the
landscaping in the median grows very quickly and creates a sight problem at Cypress.
Mr. Johnson answered that the median was trimmed a year ago, and a work order has been issued for
it to be trimmed now.
REPORT FROM TRAFFIC ENGINEER:
No report.
ADJOURNMENT:
By proper motion, the Regular Meeting of May 3, 1993, was adjourned at 4:08 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Harriett Babbitt
Minutes Clerk